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Liquidity Services, Inc. (LQDT)

Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 2, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Third Quarter 2018 Liquidity Services Earnings Conference Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will how at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Julie Davis, Senior Director of Investor Relations. You may begin.

Julie Davis

Analyst

Thank you. Hello, and welcome to our third quarter fiscal year 2018 financial results conference call. Joining us today are Bill Angrick, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Jorge Celaya, our Chief Financial Officer. We will be available for questions after our prepared remarks, The following discussion or responses to your questions reflect management's views as of today, August 2, 2018, and will include forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially. Additional information about factors that could potentially impact our financial results is included in today's press release and in our filings with the SEC, including our most recent Annual Report on Form 10-K. As you listen to today's call, we encourage you to have our press release in front of you, which includes our financial results as well as metrics and commentary on the quarter. During this call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. In our press release and our filings with the SEC, each of which is posted on our website, you will find additional disclosures regarding these non-GAAP measures, including reconciliations of these measures with comparable GAAP measures. We also use certain supplemental operating data as a measure of certain components of operating performance, which we also believe is useful for management and investors. The supplemental operating data includes gross merchandise volume and should not be considered as substitute for or superior to GAAP results. At this time, I'd like to turn the presentation over to our CEO, Bill Angrick.

Bill Angrick

Analyst

Thank you Julie, good morning and welcome to our Q3 earnings call, I'll review our Q3 performance and provide an update on key strategic initiatives, next Jorge Celaya will provide more details on Q3 and our outlook for the Q4 quarter. We are pleased with our Q3 performance as our core business strengthened and we continue to expand our market share. In fact we grew overall GMV during Q3 notwithstanding the completion of our legacy via the surplus contracts. Moving forward we have a much more diversified sustainable business tied to attractive growth opportunities in the retail, industrial and government markets. We continue to transform Liquidity Services by driving higher recovery through innovation that improves our customer experience, expansion of our services and expense leverage. For example GMV from our asset light self service solution represented more than 50% of our total GMVs during Q3. We successfully executed on our growth strategy in Q3 as we generated double digit organic growth in June via the ongoing businesses. We generated positive operating cash flow and we made important ongoing investments in our people and platform to drive future growth. During Q3 we added over 375 new seller accounts and 26,000 new registered buyers reflecting the value of our transformation in better solving the needs of our sellers and buyers across our business segments and verticals. We also achieved better than expected bottom line results. These were more favorable mix of higher margin transactions including increased self service volume in our GovDeals and retail supply chain group segments. Lower than expected expenses related to our LiquidityOne initiative due to lower consulting fees and lower corporate spending. This strength was partially offset by continued softness in our energy vertical during the quarter. Next let us take a look at highlights of our business…

Jorge Celaya

Analyst

Thank you Bill and good morning everyone. First I will comment on select third quarter results. We finished the third quarter of fiscal year 2018 above the company’s guidance range of GAAP, net loss, GAAP diluted EPS, adjusted EBITDA and non GAAP EPS. Results were within the guidance range for GMV and compared to the third quarter last year GMV was up despite the completion of the DoD surplus contract. While our revenue was down $15 million as compared to the third quarter last year, it reflects the impact of completing our DoD surplus content. Our GAAP net loss, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted net loss all improved by approximately $5 million year-over-year, demonstrating significant progress on our transformation initiatives for our segments. As these third quarter results reflect, we are successfully executing on growing our segments despite the completion of the DoD surplus contract and more than offsetting the bottom-line impact of completing the DoD surplus contract. In the third quarter we reported GMV of 153.6 million, reflecting year-over-year increases in our GovDeals segment and our RSCG segment. GovDeals GMV was up 13.1% from the third quarter of fiscal year 2017 driven by the additional sales volume from existing and new sellers. RSCG GMV was up 11.6% from a year ago due to an increase in product flows from existing client accounts and new business development efforts. This was partly offset by a 20.5% year-over-year decrease in our CAG segment although this was reflecting the lower volume of goods sold under both our DoD surplus and CAG contracts. Partly offsetting both the DoD contracts, GMV from our tag commercial business was up 13% as compared to a year ago. We reported third quarter of fiscal year 2018 revenue of $50.6 million that reflected the growth in our GovDeals and RSCG…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Colin Sebastian from Robert W. Baird. Your line is now open.

Colin Sebastian

Analyst

Bill, I guess you get closer to the point where more the LiquidityOne transformation has taking place, you talked about some of the cost efficiencies available after that point. So I wonder, if you have any better visibility now in terms of where you see normalized EBITDA margins over the medium and long-term on the heading and then I have a couple of follow-ups.

Bill Angrick

Analyst

First, the LiquidityOne investments both relates to driving a streamlined and more safe leverage technologies back in the business, so there operating efficiency. Also there is huge capabilities that are being created to drive growth and that growth is starting to reflect in the top line results resumption of organic growth from last few quarters. An example would be the return to management software platform, something that steadily is becoming embraced by existing and new clients. Returns management is an industry wide need for both the large e-commerce and omnichannel retailers and even traditional brick-and-mortar retailers to track products that are returned and have a service that invalidates the product itself and the data related to that product to handle the logistics of the flow of goods from consumers back to return center from the store or the fulfillment center. And to the financial management of reconciling credit serve between suppliers and retailers and then having somebody who can overlay the value recovery value of these assets that are now return, we handle all of that in the software platform and services, and were excited about that as a new capability. Our current business trends Colin would imply that we would be restoring profitability as we move through fiscal 19 and at that point I think we have to further comment on a business mix to give guidance about our long-term profit margin. I think it's interesting to note that during Q3 the self-service GMV was a majority of our business over 50% of our business and as you know from cover the company. There's no inventory is very limited operational expense associated self-service the margins on GAAP revenue extremely high, and that's that sort of a around where the business is trending going forward. And so we think about the business is driving you know consignment fees on the GMV transacted service fees, on things like the returns management platform. With the recent acquisition of Machinio we now have over 2,200 equipment owners and dealers paying annual subscription recurring subscriptions, which is a much more visible recurring revenue stream so we'll be -- when we're prepared to talk about margins I will be focused as much on EBITDA margins as a percentage of GAAP revenue as any part of our business because we're moving the needle on self-service, on returns management service fees and in this new recurring subscription business that we've just launched through an acquisition.

Colin Sebastian

Analyst

That's helpful. As a follow-up with respect to the consolidated or unified marketplace launch next year wondering how aggressively you plan to support that launch. I assume there's obviously a fair bit of cross selling you can do with the other marketplaces. And then whether you expect that to bring in incremental new buyers and sellers or is this more about creating higher levels of engagement and bidding activity among the existing buyer base?

Bill Angrick

Analyst

We think there's a latent untapped potential to boost recovery by having a more efficient marketplace that allows all of the assets available from our sellers to be showcased with our existing buyers. So we think the lift from nearly further penetrating our existing buyers will justify and reward us for the investment in the new consolidated marketplace. I would say that there'll some [paralellity] to the growth of the marketplace because we have tremendous existing set of buyers and I think they're going to find a user experience that they'll want to talk about and share in their industry categories and there are other ways to tap into the data that we've created through the individual legacy marketplaces, what assets are available for sale and also with our Machinio acquisition which catalogue on the order of $20 billion plus of used equipment is sitting unsold somewhere in the world. So this is not going to be a massive brand building campaign really a further penetration of existing buyers cross pollinating the assets that we have for sale across our existing buyer base and then streamlining and simplifying the message on how we can give buyers a single destination to personalize what type of assets are important to them make that easy available through desktop, tablet, mobile and even some other avenues simply doing that will provide great improvement in recovery, which ultimately drive earnings leverage in our business.

Colin Sebastian

Analyst

That's helpful. And then maybe one housekeeping, were there any other factors in the client auction participants other than the wind down of the DoD contract? Obviously the health of the core segments outside of DoD looks pretty solid at this point.

Bill Angrick

Analyst

No. I think you accurately stated that the loss of DoD volume means fewer transactions -- fewer options launched during the period which attracts new auction participants. So that surplus contract wind down, a fact that also the scrap contract was down year-over-year, principally due to volume and mix.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from the line of Gary Prestopino from Barrington Research. Your line is now open.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Couple of questions here. Just for Jorge, with the Machinio that deferred revenue hit all gets booked in Q4. Is that correct, there's no bleed over into the next fiscal year?

Jorge Celaya

Analyst

No. The deferred revenue that is effectively adjusted down for fair value happens effectively before you acquire the company. So when you the company begins to record revenue as part of liquidity services it will only report what is newly generating or maybe some small piece of the deferred revenue, depending on how the valuation exercise is completed this quarter.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

So essentially there’s a reset of deferred revenue at the time of the acquisition that restores itself as those subscriptions renew over the subsequent 12 months?

Jorge Celaya

Analyst

So the great majority of again of the deferred for Machinio, Machinio tends to -- for the most part enter into 12 month service contracts. So as we cycle through 12 months that number just gets smaller and smaller and smaller so you'll see the growth of Machinio. We will see the growth of Machinio in GAAP revenue going up as we go and once we get through 12 months that impact basically goes away.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

I guess the way I should maybe phrase the question is just as majority of the expense hit related to that whole issue taken in Q4, or am I just totally misunderstanding that, so what's going on here?

Jorge Celaya

Analyst

It's not an expense question as much as you -- their expenses will stay the same its just that you’re not recognizing GAAP revenue to the expense side. So what happens is that in the very first quarter which is our fourth quarter there is going to be the largest impact of them not having that GAAP revenue being recorded and number gets smaller every quarter thereafter so the biggest impact would be in the coming quarter and then it just progressively gets smaller over the next 12 months.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Okay. That’s fine. And then Bill, I just want to get back to you the roll outs of the remaining LiquidityOne platform. I was under the impression, again this my impression, I could have been wrong, is that everything was going to be done by the end of this calendar year and now I think in your narrative, you said that there's going to be two platforms in fiscal '19 that are going to be rolled out and one more for the rest of this year or could you just maybe lay that out for us?

Bill Angrick

Analyst

Yeah, the statement that I made and to clarify is that all of our existing marketplaces will be rolled on to the LiquidityOne platform by the end of calendar 2018, with one exception, which is the retail liquidation.com marketplace. We looked at that business and the product roadmap and we made the decision to launch that in early 2019, for a few reasons. One is we've made significant gains in our self-service business and we prioritized the launch of our self service marketplaces during calendar '18 that would be our AuctionDeals and GovDeals marketplaces that's based on market demand and growth as it should be. The second initiative that has been prioritized is our LiquidityOne returns management software platform. The demand for that platform from clients ahead of the holiday season is very high. They have in place that system to track and manage returns and provide with great customer experience for their buyers which anyone who follows retail knows that that's a huge effort. So we have made those investments and I think we'll be able to share you know wins along the way as we move from the summer to the end of the year. And then the retail liquidation marketplace which is -- does business at liquidation.com will move over in early 2019 and it also has peak holiday season volumes and we're very judicious about supplying new software in the peak volume periods of holiday season. So it's a natural solution to move through the peak season and then launch liquidation.com onto the new platforms. The other marketplaces on it are seasonally busy in the December January timeframe. Let me also add to your second question, when I talk about a new consolidated marketplace, this is a marketplace that will reside on the same LiquidityOne e-commerce platform. It just will have a different brand, and that brand will envelop all of the property we have across every legacy branded marketplace. And I think we will test with a lot of AB testing on the recovery rates generated from buyers' experience in the new brand versus the legacy brands, and as we get that data and feedback we are likely to simplify our brand architecture over time. So for example, if you think of a company like Layfair, Layfair historically had many, many individual brands and launched a new unified brand and over time made the decision to simplify its brand architecture. There are many other industry examples of that type of activity and so that gives hopefully some context of what we're talking about.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

No that's fine. So I guess just a general question, looks like the spending on technology has sequentially come down over the last three quarters, and would we anticipate that you'd still see given that you got a lot of these marketplaces now on that it continues to sequentially move down Q4 and then throughout '19?

Bill Angrick

Analyst

Yeah I think it’s appropriate to give credit to Roger Bradley, our Chief Information Officer, and a number of the team members in this area who have maintained a very high amount of volume and output of work in a very efficient way. And I think they have taken steps to introduce new functionality which starts to taper off the one-time project costs associated with building things new again some of the maintenance and that's one reason why the glide path of expenses has come down. We reconfigured the product management team to include mainly software developers and business managers within the business unit. So I think the reorganization that Roger's led has been well-received and the glide path I think will continue on reducing overall corporate overhead in the technology area as we move into fiscal '19 and beyond. Simply as a result of maintaining fewer systems front-end and back-end and those systems being well-developed, very efficient and more of our business is running in the cloud. And so when we need to the scalability we pay for it and when we don't, we don't have that overhead of fixed costs. So I think that's a, that's a positive trend in the business for us Gary.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Okay good. And then lastly, you talked about your returns management product, and I do recall that you had one prior to doing the LiquidityOne initiative but what has changed as far as the functionality of what you're putting in place now versus what you had years ago that is making it so attractive for your retailers who want to use it?

Bill Angrick

Analyst

Right, well I think if you just think of a two-by-two matrix, we have a do-it-for-you solution which we even call full service offerings which is allowing retail to manufactures use our distribution centers to move the product, have that product inspected and manifested ultimately either return to a third party or donated or sold. And then we have a self service offering which is the clients leveraging their own facilities and their own people to do things but leveraging you know our software and data and sales channels and I think the shift for us has been the adoption of an interest in self service solutions. And so we've configured our returns management platform to serve these self service customers as a enterprise software suite and you know essentially Software-as-a-Service and that's something that's getting a lot of attention and interest.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Do you charge a fee for the self service?

Bill Angrick

Analyst

Yes.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

So it's all bundled in. You charge out and then you're not giving it away to attract GMV?

Bill Angrick

Analyst

Correct, we're not giving it away, no.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

And I'm showing no further questions. I will now turn the call back to Julie Davis for closing remarks.

Julie Davis

Analyst

Thank you all for participating in today's call. If you have additional questions please reach out to me and we can set up a follow-up. Thanks again and have a good afternoon.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes today's program and you may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.