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Q4 2025 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 17, 2026

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Fourth Quarter 2025 Louisiana-Pacific Corporation Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's call is being recorded. I would now like to hand it over to your speaker, Aaron Howald, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Aaron Howald

Analyst · Kasia Trzaski from TD Cowen

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us from the International Builders Show in Orlando to discuss LP's financial results for the fourth quarter and full year of 2025 as well as our outlook for 2026. Hosting the call with me this morning are Jason Ringblom, Chief Executive Officer; and Alan Haughie, Chief Financial Officer. After prepared remarks, we will take a round of questions, and then we will be available for follow-up calls and visits to LP's booth at IBS. During this morning's call, we will refer to a presentation that has been posted to LP's IR web page, which is investor.lpcorp.com. Our 8-K filing, earnings press release and other materials are also available there. Finally, I will remind you that today's discussion contains forward-looking statements and non-GAAP financial metrics as described on Slides 2 and 3 of the earnings presentation. The appendix of that presentation also contains reconciliations that are further supplemented by this morning's 8-K filing. Rather than reading those materials, I will incorporate them herein by reference. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Jason.

Jason Ringblom

Analyst · Matthew Bouley from Barclays

Thank you, Aaron, and thank you all for joining us. First of all, let me start by offering thanks and congratulations on behalf of the entire LP team to Brad Southern for a well-earned retirement after more than 25 years of transformative leadership at LP. It's truly an honor be succeeding Brad as LP's next CEO, and I'm confident that LP has the right strategy and the right team to make a seamless transition. We remain fully committed to driving growth, gaining market share, delivering product and process innovation and generating shareholder value in the years to come. 2025 was a difficult year for homebuilding and aspiring homeowners. Tariffs, economic policy uncertainty and deteriorating consumer confidence all contributed to affordability challenges. Housing starts decelerated throughout the year. In fact, single-family starts, a key demand indicator for both Siding and OSB were down roughly 10% in the third quarter according to the Census Bureau. Unfortunately, the Census Bureau has yet to publish fourth quarter housing data, but I suspect when that data is available, it will confirm further weakness. Despite these challenges, LP grew the Siding business by 8% for the full year, while expanding margins, particularly in ExpertFinish. In the fourth quarter, LP delivered $567 million in net sales, $50 million in EBITDA and $0.03 in adjusted diluted earnings per share. LP Siding business showed resilience in a weakening market. For the full year, we achieved 4% higher net selling prices and 4% higher sales volumes, resulting in 8% revenue growth. This allowed us to deliver a 26% EBITDA margin. Major contributors to these results were growth in the Shed segment, which reinforces the power of LP's diverse end-use applications and ExpertFinish, where not only has product innovation helped us expand the addressable market to reach new repair and remodel…

Alan J. Haughie

Analyst · Matthew Bouley from Barclays

Thanks, Jason. Slide 7 of the presentation shows the fourth quarter year-over-year waterfall for Siding. Revenue increased by 6% with prices, including mix effects, up 8% on a 2% volume decline. And while these price increases added $24 million to sales and EBITDA year-over-year, some of that benefit came from volume rebate thresholds not being met. But within this modest volume decline, ExpertFinish jumped 35%, while Primed volumes fell by 5%. And this creates a slight adverse mix effect within EBITDA because ExpertFinish still has a lower margin than Primed products. Having said that, ExpertFinish margins have improved by about 8 points year-over-year, thanks to leverage on increased volume and manufacturing efficiencies. The only other items to note for Siding in the fourth quarter chart are the absence of tariffs on the ExpertFinish we're importing into Canada and the nonrecurrence of last year's effects from production and cost timing due to the delayed maintenance project last fall. As a result, the EBITDA margin for the quarter was 25%, up 5 points year-over-year. For the full year, on Slide 8, net sales were up 8%, evenly split between price and volume, as Jason said, adding $131 million to revenue and $91 million to EBITDA. Selling and marketing expenses increased by about $11 million, while raw material cost tailwinds mostly offset freight and labor cost headwinds. SG&A increases, tariffs and other factors totaled about $23 million. As a result, Siding finished 2025 with $444 million in EBITDA, which is $54 million higher than 2024 with a 1 percentage point rise in the EBITDA margin to 26%. The OSB charts on Pages 9 and 10 are dominated by price as they so often are, sadly, this time to the negative. In the fourth quarter, unfavorable supply-demand dynamics resulted in multiyear price lows and…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from line of Matthew Bouley from Barclays.

Anika Dholakia

Analyst · Matthew Bouley from Barclays

Anika Dholakia on for Matt today. And first off, Brad, congrats and Jason, look forward to working with you. So first off, just wondering with 1Q Siding revenue guidance, it implies a step-up through the rest of the year to get to that $1.7 billion guidance, maybe somewhere in the mid-single-digit range. And so I know you guys talked about shed normalizing. Is that kind of the main factor that you're looking at in the year-over-year comps, or just any details around how you're thinking about the cadence of revenues?

Alan J. Haughie

Analyst · Matthew Bouley from Barclays

Yes. Yes, it's -- there is -- we are expecting some improvement in shed. That's probably the dominant piece, but really, we're expecting improvement across the board as housing normalizes.

Anika Dholakia

Analyst · Matthew Bouley from Barclays

Okay. Got it. And then I'm curious on the affordability pressure today. Are you seeing any risk of maybe mix down to vinyl or other Siding materials that have a lower upfront cost? What are you hearing maybe from contractors? And if there's any differences in the builder by channel, either builder, R&R, if you're seeing differences in affordability there?

Jason Ringblom

Analyst · Matthew Bouley from Barclays

Thanks for the question. Yes, I would say, obviously, affordability remains a primary headwind and all the builder customers that we're working with are focused on meeting a price point that will obviously allow them to turn more homes. So there's been some -- a little bit of a move to vinyl, but we think with the broad product offering that we offer with SmartSide that there's tremendous value there. And with a relatively low share position, there's plenty of opportunities for us to continue on our growth trajectory.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Ketan Mamtora from BMO Capital Markets.

Ketan Mamtora

Analyst · Ketan Mamtora from BMO Capital Markets

Coming back to Siding, Jason, can you talk a little bit about what you are seeing in terms of demand in your ExpertFinish product? I saw volumes were pretty good in Q4. Are you still in allocation on that business? Any trends you can talk to?

Jason Ringblom

Analyst · Ketan Mamtora from BMO Capital Markets

Thanks, Ketan. Appreciate the question. In regards to ExpertFinish, what I would say is macro trends remain in our favor here. Labor is tight, labor is expensive. Homeowners expect a durable and resilient solution when -- that comes with a warranty. So our value proposition for ExpertFinish and ExpertFinish naturals really addresses all of those needs. And as a result, we're continuing to see this product category outperform in both new construction and repair and remodel. In regards to the allocation question, we did come off allocation, I believe, February 1, so a couple of weeks ago. That's really due to the OEE improvements that we were able to realize across our network. We thought that we would have to wait until our new Green Bay facility came online in early Q2 of this year. But through great work from our operations folks, we've been able to come off slightly in advance of what we had planned on.

Ketan Mamtora

Analyst · Ketan Mamtora from BMO Capital Markets

Understood. That's helpful. And then can you remind us on how you are thinking about sort of additional capacity in Siding. Last quarter, you talked about sort of Maniwaki as being one of the options. How should we think about sort of time line on that? And in the meantime, how are you all thinking about managing production in OSB?

Jason Ringblom

Analyst · Ketan Mamtora from BMO Capital Markets

Yes. I'll start with Siding and just say we're very excited to be ramping up our new 70-million-foot line in Green Bay in early Q2. Very excited about that. In regards to broader capacity expansion opportunities, what I would say is we are continuing the detailed engineering work for future ExpertFinish and Primed capacity expansion projects. And some of that capital spend is in the figures that Alan shared with you earlier, obviously, a little bit more back-end loaded. But big picture, we want to be prepared to execute with projects that are essentially ready for plug and play when the timing is appropriate with a heavy bent towards being early versus late. And the second question, Ketan, I believe, was around how we're managing OSB capacity. And I would say largely consistent with what we've done in prior years, very focused on managing capacity to demand. We're very pleased to see the nice rebound in prices that we've realized to begin the year. We've been able to additionally keep a healthy order file across our network. So it certainly feels more optimistic that supply and demand are a little bit more in balance than they have been for the majority of last year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of George Staphos from Bank of America Securities.

Bradley Barton

Analyst · Bank of America Securities

This is Brad Barton on for George. And Jason, congrats on the new role. We look forward to working with you.

Jason Ringblom

Analyst · Bank of America Securities

Thanks, Brad.

Bradley Barton

Analyst · Bank of America Securities

Just starting off, I know you touched a little bit on vinyl and affordability concerns and maybe some shifts there. But could you speak to more of the broad competitive environment that you're seeing in Siding right now?

Jason Ringblom

Analyst · Bank of America Securities

Yes. What I would say, Brad, is broadly, we're very confident that we are gaining share in all of the segments that we focus on. I think there's strong evidence of that. If you look back at the last couple of years with '25 supporting that as well. Right now, obviously, with starts checking up the back half of 2025, there's -- it comes with its challenges. But again, we feel like in the new construction and Repair and Remodel segments, in particular, we've got a relatively low share position and a very large field sales organization that's focused on winning new customers. And that doesn't stop in a softer market, and we believe there's plenty of those opportunities in front of us.

Bradley Barton

Analyst · Bank of America Securities

Great. And just a follow-up. As you bring ExpertFinish capacity online here, can you speak to how you'll have to ramp your marketing spend and investments, both in terms of the time line and the magnitude maybe compared to the $11 million investment that you saw in 2025?

Jason Ringblom

Analyst · Bank of America Securities

Yes. So what I would say is over the course of the last several years, you've seen an increase in both, I guess, marketing spend as well as the addition of additional field sales resources to support the growth of ExpertFinish. We did not put in any of that on pause as we experienced allocation back in September of -- or October of last year. So those investments will continue going forward. And again, we're very pleased with the growth we're seeing in ExpertFinish and excited to bring on one of our newest state-of-the-art lines in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

Bradley Barton

Analyst · Bank of America Securities

Great.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question will come from the line of Mark Weintraub from Seaport Research Partners.

Mark Weintraub

Analyst · Seaport Research Partners

So last year, you mentioned sheds up a little bit better than 20% by your best estimate, obviously slowed in the first quarter. Just wondering what are you embedding for sheds for the full year in '26 versus 2025? And maybe to the extent that you have information on where would you say your shed business was relative -- last year relative to, say, the last 10 years or whatever you think would be an appropriate time frame given there's been lots of ups and downs with the pandemic, et cetera?

Jason Ringblom

Analyst · Seaport Research Partners

Yes. I'll start with the first part of the question. What I would say is in regards to shed, there's always been a bit of a lumpiness to our order intake. And although inventories are higher than we anticipated. What we are hearing anecdotally from several of our largest shed fabricators is that underlying demand in the segment remains on a firm footing and trending very similarly to 2025 levels. So this positive news also coupled with some new product innovations, specifically our everyday flooring series and SilverTech roofing that we launched to begin the year, we feel like we can get back to a normal trajectory pretty quickly once inventories are depleted throughout the first quarter of this year.

Mark Weintraub

Analyst · Seaport Research Partners

And so I'm just -- because you're up 20%, I think you suggested last year. So was that just getting you to what you consider to be normalized? Or was that substantially better than what you consider normalized to be?

Jason Ringblom

Analyst · Seaport Research Partners

Yes. So last year, I would say it was a little bit of an anomaly because our shed distributors came into '25 with inventories very lean. So we had an inventory build throughout Q1 and Q2, and then obviously overshot the allocation prior to the 2026 price increase. So we feel like the underlying demand, again, is very stable in shed. And with some of the new products that we brought to market, we feel like there's growth opportunity in that segment, even though we own a relatively high share position.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Steven Ramsey from Thompson Research Group.

Steven Ramsey

Analyst · Steven Ramsey from Thompson Research Group

I wanted to start with higher Siding EBITDA in the guidance and then breakeven OSB. Does that point to operating cash flow being somewhat near the 2025 results? And if that's so, the CapEx points to free cash flow being roughly breakeven. Maybe you can talk to the assumptions there on free cash generation.

Jason Ringblom

Analyst · Steven Ramsey from Thompson Research Group

No, no, no. I can add to that. That's about right. Yes. You nailed it.

Steven Ramsey

Analyst · Steven Ramsey from Thompson Research Group

Okay. Sounds good. Appreciate that. And then I wanted to think about if there's an expected pace on the Siding margin ramp through the year, make sure I understand this last year or 2, Q1 and Q2 EBITDA margin were in the same zone. Is it expected to be a steeper ramp upward going through '26?

Alan J. Haughie

Analyst · Steven Ramsey from Thompson Research Group

Yes. Think of it as more seasonal. So we had very strong Q1 and Q2 last year. Hence, the seasonality was tilted towards that first half -- I'm sorry, the seasonality of the volume. And so volume provides such huge leverage that the cadence of the EBITDA margin while being on a modestly rising curve will follow the seasonality of volume. And it's really -- that's really the factor that most influences it. It's the leverage we get from the volume.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question will come from line of Kasia Trzaski from TD Cowen.

Kasia Trzaski Kopytek

Analyst · Kasia Trzaski from TD Cowen

It's Kasia. Great effort though. So I'm on the call for Sean Steuart from TD Cowen. First question is around Siding. Can you comment what kind of Siding volume pull-through you're seeing from the homebuilder channel right now? And just provide broader commentary about how any specific homebuilder relationships might be evolving.

Aaron Howald

Analyst · Kasia Trzaski from TD Cowen

Sorry, Kasia, you cut out a bit on the -- the keyword [indiscernible] of the sentence. Could you repeat the question please?

Kasia Trzaski Kopytek

Analyst · Kasia Trzaski from TD Cowen

Can you hear me better now?

Aaron Howald

Analyst · Kasia Trzaski from TD Cowen

That's much better, yes. Thank you.

Kasia Trzaski Kopytek

Analyst · Kasia Trzaski from TD Cowen

Okay. Great. Question was around Siding. I'm curious about any thoughts on what kind of Siding volume pull-through you're seeing the channel build up notwithstanding from your homebuilder channel? And then just if any you can provide any broader commentary about how any specific homebuilder relationships might be evolving?

Jason Ringblom

Analyst · Kasia Trzaski from TD Cowen

Yes, I'll take that one. Thanks for the question, Kasia. What I would say is just speaking to the homebuilder community, it's very different depending on what region we're talking about. I mean, certainly more strength in the northern markets where historically Siding has been strongest and softer in the Southeast Texas, some Western markets as well. So it depends on geography. What I would say just in terms of where we're at with our relationships, I mentioned earlier the integration of LP. We are really focused on leveraging our full portfolio of solutions to drive growth in the Homebuilder segment. And we know we're a very relevant supplier to this market. And that strategy is allowing us to offer greater value, be more creative and responsive to our customers' needs. So we're still in the early stages, but we're very encouraged by the reception that we've received from builders in response to the integration of LP.

Kasia Trzaski Kopytek

Analyst · Kasia Trzaski from TD Cowen

Okay. And I just want to make sure I didn't mishear earlier. Did you say that the inventory buildup in the channel right now, you expect that to unwind over the course of Q1, bringing us back to more of a normalized steady state in Q2?

Jason Ringblom

Analyst · Kasia Trzaski from TD Cowen

Yes, I'll shed a little bit of light on that. So we believe that the dealer channel, those closest to the builder did not necessarily increase inventories throughout the fourth quarter. They're focused more on working capital. However, our 2-step customers, which is the folks we transact with most, they took advantage of the allocation in advance of the price increase. And we see that in terms of their inventory reporting requirements looking backwards. So based on what we see, roughly 2 to 3 -- 2 to 4 weeks of inventory at the 2-step level, we do believe that, that can be consumed heading into Q2 just with the traditional or historical uplift in seasonal demand heading into the building season. So yes.

Kasia Trzaski Kopytek

Analyst · Kasia Trzaski from TD Cowen

Okay. Got you. That's helpful context. And last one for me on OSB. The segment EBITDA margins of negative 29%, is that largely attributable to the low mill operating rates in Q4, which presumably would have had a significant impact on your overall mill cost structure? Or are there any lumpy items in there? And in particular, what I have in mind is any onetime inventory write-downs, things of that nature?

Alan J. Haughie

Analyst · Kasia Trzaski from TD Cowen

Well, there is a -- the only inventory write-down that occurs is a mark-to-market on inventory that we carry on the books because the selling price is at times lower than the standard carrying cost, but nothing exceptional or out of the ordinary or that hasn't occurred at any various points over the last 20 years.

Aaron Howald

Analyst · Kasia Trzaski from TD Cowen

We did have a couple of reasonably large maintenance projects in the quarter that added a bit of expense, but I think it was mostly utilization rates and price that drove it.

Jason Ringblom

Analyst · Kasia Trzaski from TD Cowen

Yes.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question will come from the line of Susan Maklari from Goldman Sachs.

Susan Maklari

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

My first question is staying on OSB. Can you talk a bit about how you're thinking of the outlook for demand? The builders have largely talked about their starts this year being up low single digits. What does that imply in terms of the potential ramp for OSB in there? And then can you talk about your approach to capacity relative to that?

Jason Ringblom

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Thanks, Susan. Appreciate the question. What I would say, I hate to sound redundant, but I mean, our focus really truly is on matching our supply with customer demand. As I mentioned earlier, we've seen a nice rebound to begin the year, but we do feel like it's a supply-driven rebound. A couple of our competitors announced mill closures in Canada. There's also been some maintenance outages and some unscheduled downtime associated with the winter storm that I think is playing into the favorable pricing environment. So I do think looking forward that we'll need an improvement in demand to stay in balance as we head into Q2 and Q3. But I'm optimistic that, that will carry through as we head into the building season.

Susan Maklari

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Okay. That's helpful. And then maybe turning to the margin in the Siding segment there. Can you talk a bit about what you're seeing just in terms of input costs, freight? And how should we think about any start-up costs that are associated with Green Bay and how that will flow through as well?

Alan J. Haughie

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

We certainly are -- in our guidance for the full year Siding EBITDA margin, we've included some significant inflation. It's about $20 million of raw material inflation, which is on our resin and paper overlay, largely contractual, so I mean at this time. So $20 million of raw materials plus about $7 million of labor and then some modest freight inflation. So that inflation is baked into the full year margin. We'll see some of that already baked in, in Q1. What was the other part of the question?

Aaron Howald

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Ramp-up costs for Green Bay.

Alan J. Haughie

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Nothing significant.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question will come from the line of Kurt Yinger from Davidson.

Kurt Yinger

Analyst · Davidson

Great. Appreciate it. Jason, you had referenced the portfolio solutions approach. I was just hoping maybe you could talk about a couple of examples of how you're marketing that with the Siding business and kind of the value-add component of that go-to-market strategy.

Jason Ringblom

Analyst · Davidson

Yes, I'll touch on that. So really, the approach is to leverage our entire portfolio in a way to continue to drive growth of LP, but more specifically our Siding business. The focus primarily is on the New Construction segment to start with, but we also see opportunities within the Shed segment and Repair and Remodel segment as well. So we are in the early stages. We have a couple of builder wins that I think came as a result of this focus, and there's a few more on the horizon that I'm not prepared to speak to today, but I do believe within the next quarter, we'll be able to highlight as material wins that were a result of an enterprise approach to the segments we play in.

Kurt Yinger

Analyst · Davidson

Okay. That's very helpful. And then just in terms of the outlook, I mean, it sounds like at least in Q1, R&R versus kind of the new resi pieces within Siding were performing similarly. Is that how you kind of expect the whole shape of the year? Or would you think that R&R could perhaps be a little bit more stable, notwithstanding the weather here in the first 1.5 months? Can you just talk a little bit about that, please?

Jason Ringblom

Analyst · Davidson

Yes. I feel like definitely, the Repair/Remodel segment is the most stable for us right now, followed by shed, but shed is obviously a challenge for us in Q1 as we work through the channel inventory situation. Where we need to see a rebound is in the New Construction segment right now. Obviously, it's softer than it was this time last year, and we are planning for an improvement throughout 2026.

Operator

Operator

This concludes the question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn it back over to Aaron for closing remarks.

Aaron Howald

Analyst · Kasia Trzaski from TD Cowen

Okay. Thank you, everyone, for joining us to discuss LP's results for 2025, fourth quarter and the full year. For those of you who are at IBS in Orlando, we look forward to seeing you in our booth later this afternoon and available for follow-up calls for those who aren't able to join us in-person. Thanks, everyone. Stay safe, and we'll talk to you soon.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.