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Louisiana-Pacific Corporation (LPX)

Q4 2013 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 13, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the fourth quarter Louisiana-Pacific Corporation's earnings conference call. My name is Brittany, and I'll be the operator for today. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I would now like to turn the presentation over to your host for today, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Sallie Bailey. Please proceed, ma'am.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · CLSA

Great. Thank you very much, Brittany, and good morning. Thank you for joining our conference call to discuss LP's financial results for the fourth quarter of 2013 and year-end results. I am Sallie Bailey, LP's Chief Financial Officer. And with me today are Curt Stevens, LP's Chief Executive Officer; as well as Mike Kinney and Becky Barckley, our primary Investor Relations contacts. I'll begin the discussion with a review of the financial results for the fourth quarter of 2013 and the full year of 2013. It will be followed by some comments on the performance of the individual segments and selected balance sheet items. After I finish my comments, Curt will discuss the general market environment in which LP has been operating; provide his perspective on our operating results; give some thoughts on the outlook for 2014 and provide an update on the status of the acquisition of Ainsworth and 8-K, which was filed this morning. As we have done in the past, we have opened up this call to the public and are doing a webcast. That webcast can be accessed at www.lpcorp.com. Additionally, to help with the discussion, we have provided a presentation with supplemental information that should be reviewed in conjunction with the earnings release. I will be referencing these slides in my comments this morning. We filed an 8-K this morning with some supplemental information and anticipate filing our 10-K at the end of the month. I want to remind all the participants about the forward-looking statements comment on Slide 2 of the presentation. Please also be aware of the discussion of our use of non-GAAP financial information included on Slide 3 of the presentation. The Appendix attached to the presentation has some of the necessary reconciliations that's been supplemented by the Form 8-K filing we…

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · CLSA

Thank you, thank you for that review, Sallie. I know that you and -- you folks on East Coast are suffering through some bad weather. I will tell you it's nice in Nashville today. We didn't skirt the storm and missed this one South, about 30 miles so it was pretty close, but we didn't have any problem. I hope you're all being able to stay warm. While Sallie provided her comments both on the fourth quarter and the full year, I'm going to limit my comments to our accomplishments and some of the challenges we had in 2013. I'll talk about the current state of the housing market, give you an update on the Ainsworth acquisition and give you my views on what is ahead for 2014. LP ended the year with a total incident rate from a safety perspective of 0.54. This is the eighth year in a row where safety performance has resulted in a total incident rate below 1.0. Well, we should all be understandably proud of this accomplishment. I'm personally saddened that we did have a death in Brazil earlier last year. This is a constant reminder to all of us that we can't let up on our safety focus for even a moment. 2013 was a good year by almost any standard. As Sallie said, sales were up 23%, adjusted EBITDA was higher by 65% and our adjusted earnings per share almost doubled compared to last year. We set volume sales records in many of our product lines despite housing starts being at the $925,000 level. SmartSide siding, TechShield radiant barrier, our topnotch high performance flooring, Laminated Strand Lumber and more. We prepared for the housing upturn by restarting production at 2 of our facilities. We completed the acquisition of the Peace Valley OSB…

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · CLSA

Thank you, Curt. Brittany, we're ready for questions. So if we could go to the queue.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Mark Connelly with CLSA.

Mark W. Connelly - CLSA Limited, Research Division

Analyst · CLSA

Two things. It looks like your overall costs, especially in OSB, are in pretty good shape. And obviously Q1 is going to be bumpy but do you have a view on the broader view for 2014? And secondly, just a bigger picture question. Are we seeing any shifts in the siding market between vinyl and composites and shingle? We keep hearing that multifamily's playing a different role, that McMansions are different now. Are you seeing anything that you think is going to change the -- your market position there?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · CLSA

Let me respond to your second question first and then I'll come back to the other one. From a siding perspective, as I mentioned, we had record volumes in our SmartSide siding in 2013 despite housing starts being at 925,000. We take that as a very meaningful market penetration, probably a little bit against vinyl, but more specifically against fiber cement. So I think that's been principally where we've seen market share gains. As you know, vinyl has preferences in various parts of the country and remains the leading choice for repair remodeling because you can put it over existing siding. So we're very pleased with the progress we're making and we're making that not only on new construction but we're also having some success in multifamily, a lot of success with non-residential structures like sheds and strong retail business. But I'll let Sallie answer the cost question.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · CLSA

Yes, on cost for next year, I think we certainly are monitoring wood. And I think we anticipate seeing some increases in some of our wood stock. On the raw materials, plus-or-minus some increases primarily related to the resin wax area and possibly energy.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · CLSA

But it's -- less than 5% change in that. Where we are going to get some improvements in our cost position is the mills that we start up last year, that weren't fully utilized as we have more demand for that product and produce more product, we'll get the absorption there and so it should bring down our overall cost of production.

Mark W. Connelly - CLSA Limited, Research Division

Analyst · CLSA

Okay. So no meaningful headwinds there. Great.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Gail Glazerman with UBS.

Gail S. Glazerman - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · Gail Glazerman with UBS

I guess, maybe to the last part about the mills, can you just give an update -- the mills that restarted, can you just give an update in terms of where you are with Clarke County just in terms of utilization and also, are you still seeing kind of incremental start-up cost of reassembling this past that? And I guess while talking about Clarke County. Last quarter, I think you've referenced potential the benefit as IP shut their Courtland mill, have you started to see -- in terms of wood cost, have you started to see any benefits there?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Gail Glazerman with UBS

Well, let me talk about Clarke County first. Clarke County is improving. We are about on our plan for the first quarter so far. That has production ramping up for the year. I think we need to average about 1.5 million for the full year a day. And we've had days, we've done better than that in the first quarter so that mill continues to make progress. In the fourth quarter, we did have higher cost in that mill and we also had some downgraded products that cost us a little bit, so our costs were higher in the fourth quarter. But I'm happy with the progress that we're making now. As far as the wood cost, the shutdown by IP affects more of our Hanceville mill and we have seen some relaxation, a pressure on wood in that area.

Gail S. Glazerman - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · Gail Glazerman with UBS

Okay. And, Curt, can you just give some perspective as to how you think your customers are positioned this year for the building season and maybe compare it to how they were positioned last year at this time?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Gail Glazerman with UBS

Well, the anecdotal information from our salespeople and what we and the -- our partners that we talked to at the Builder Show is that there are very lean inventories right now. Part of that is our own doing because we can't get rail cars in Canada so we have been lower on shipment to customers coming out of Canada. I think that they're all talking about pent-up demand. Almost every customer I talked to said that the weather has held back the takeaways from their operations but they really felt there was a demand there. So I think we'll see a pretty rapid channel fill starting as soon as the weather breaks.

Gail S. Glazerman - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · Gail Glazerman with UBS

Okay. And can you possibly quantify some of the financial impact of the weather issues you've seen this quarter or is it something you think you could catch up with this weather, we still have a quarter left, if weather normalized tomorrow?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Gail Glazerman with UBS

Well I can't give you numbers on it but I can tell you that we've had about 30 mill down days so far this year in Canada related to the railcar issue, where we simply just couldn't put any more wood anywhere else from the mill so we had to shut down. Now the difficulty from a channel perspective, and Rick and his team have been talking to our customers about it, is you can't gain that production back, you can't run more than 24/7 so there's -- there could be some short-term issues on that, that could go into the spring season.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Mike Roxland with Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Michael A. Roxland - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Mike Roxland with Bank of America Merrill Lynch

I'm not sure if you're able to comment on this, but I will ask the question anyway. Based on the type of questions that you're getting from the DOJ and the Canadian authorities regarding the Ainsworth acquisition, can you give us any indication as to what their biggest concern is? And is there anything that you think you can do to allay their concerns to get the deal done maybe a little bit sooner?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mike Roxland with Bank of America Merrill Lynch

I'm very hesitant to do that because I'm sure our friends from the DOJ and Competition Bureau are on this call, so I'm going to be very careful to answer that. We are being as responsive as we can to their request. And I think that's really all I can say and that's both true for us, as well as for Ainsworth.

Michael A. Roxland - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Mike Roxland with Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Got you. I understand, Curt. In the press release, I guess, you mentioned that you also curtailed one other facility due to market conditions, if I've read that correctly. What facility -- is that referring to some of the issues that you have up in Canada or did you actually take out a facility just due to weak, [indiscernible] demand? And are there any other potential facilities that you could look to, and definitely idle if demand does not pick up?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Mike Roxland with Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Mike, I think that's reflecting the Chambord facility that's been curtailed, there are no new curtailments. The one that's been curtailed since -- for a number of years.

Michael A. Roxland - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Mike Roxland with Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Got it. And then the last question I have was just on cost. Curt, you mentioned in terms of cost that labor availability really being -- in particular labor being an issue for the home builders, I think you actually mentioned labor being an issue also for your own operations, either a lot of people left the industry or back to their home country, during the downturn. Can you give us a sense of how much labor increased year-over-year in 4Q and whether you've seen any improvement in the labor availability? And comment also about what you've done, what the industry has done to foster or to bring back workers to the industry?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mike Roxland with Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Well, the struggle for us has generally been in the skilled trade, so it's been the electricians, process control, mill rides, in that area. And we have, frankly, we've been backfilling with contract labor, because we can't hire quick enough to keep those fully staffed. Most of the areas we operate, we compete with the oil and gas sector. And they, they simply pay higher wages than we can pay. And so the things that we're responding to is we're responding to grow your own electricians, grow your own mill rides. So we're putting in our own [indiscernible] programs, we're partnering with junior colleges and trade schools and areas where our mills are located to get people so we're doing all those kinds of things. And then from the industry as a whole, we're struggling with drivers, and I think as everybody is, and we're struggling with loggers. And so we do have a place, a core logger program where we will commit to a select group of loggers and keep them working through good times and bad times. So that's how we're trying to address that.

Michael A. Roxland - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Mike Roxland with Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Got it. And just the last question for me, for Sallie. For the first 3 quarters of 2013, SG&A as a percentage of sales has been averaging around 6.5%. In 4Q, that spiked about to 9.5%, a little over that. What drove the increase and how should we be thinking about SG&A as a percent of sales on a go-forward basis?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Mike Roxland with Bank of America Merrill Lynch

What really drove that increase are the costs associated with the Ainsworth acquisition. And I think you should anticipate looking forward what will be closer to the first, second and third quarter on a normalized basis but -- while we're still working with our -- going through the regulations, that you're going to continue to see some kind of spike. It was in the fourth -- for the full year that costs associated with Ainsworth acquisition was around $6 million and the majority of that was in the fourth quarter.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Chip Dillon with Vertical Research Partners.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners, LLC

Analyst · Chip Dillon with Vertical Research Partners

Coming on the last up-cycle, we saw -- certainly OSB really gained most of its share versus plywood in the new housing construction business. And as you know, that area has been probably a lot weaker and continues to be versus repair and remodeling. And I was just wondering, have we seen a shift in OSB back or shall I say a share gain in the channel of selling to people who are repairing or remodeling their homes given that, that seems to be an area that's stronger than new housing, at least has been so far.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Chip Dillon with Vertical Research Partners

Not noticeably, Chip. When we look at our retail sales, our retails sales from a volume perspective are up about the same store-to-store that Lowe's and Home Depot are reporting, 3 to 6 kind of percent. So the growth is really coming in the housing.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners, LLC

Analyst · Chip Dillon with Vertical Research Partners

Got you. Got you. When you look at your capital spending, last year -- was $75 million in '13. How does that look right now and has it changed in terms of how you think about '14 especially since we don't have the same head of steam as we had last year in your markets. And could you give us a little bit of a range, and this is my assumption not yours, but let's just say, you owned Ainsworth in the back half of the year, kind of what could the sensitivity be to that CapEx number?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Chip Dillon with Vertical Research Partners

Well, Chip, I don't think we're going to speculate yet on what the capital plans for Ainsworth will be, but in terms of our capital plans for LP, we're anticipating spending around $100 million this year, which is an increase of that $25 million from 2013. And all of that increase would be related to growth projects or, as Curt mentioned in his comments, with the press rebuild at Roxboro, we had the environmental technology, the RTO at Carthage and now that we've seen some improvement in our cash flow, we're going back and we'll be able to gain those types of projects and, of course, the Tomahawk expansion, which Curt also mentioned, and the third mill in Chile.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners, LLC

Analyst · Chip Dillon with Vertical Research Partners

Got you. And then I guess the last question, just to maybe underscore the competitive nature of your business. I just noticed in Engineered Wood Products, year-over-year, your volumes were just up massively, 24% to 36%, with higher pricing and your operating loss was basically the same. Can you tell us what's going on there?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Chip Dillon with Vertical Research Partners

Sure. That's all related to the increased raw material prices. Remember, in the first half of the year in particular, in particular, the Engineered Wood Products group had to deal with the higher raw material costs associated with I-Joist, which is made out of the OSB.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners, LLC

Analyst · Chip Dillon with Vertical Research Partners

Of course, got you. I would expect those cost to go down, I guess, in coming -- in the next quarter or 2.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Chip Dillon with Vertical Research Partners

Well I think that's why you see some improvement in the fourth quarter.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Joe Stivaletti with Goldman Sachs.

Joseph Stivaletti - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Joe Stivaletti with Goldman Sachs

I was just wondering if you could talk a little bit about the industry supply side of the equation. You talked about forecast for volumes to be up close to 20% next year in terms of housing starts. So I was wondering if you could talk about what you're seeing and expecting on the supply side in North America.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Joe Stivaletti with Goldman Sachs

Well, Joe, I'd be happy to tell you what we're doing because, as you know, we did restart Clarke County, which is ramping up, and I think that will be running. Under our plans, it would be running about 65% of capacity for the full year, with a lot of that volume weighted towards the back half of the year. Dawson Creek, we're still running at a very limited shifting pattern so we can add additional capacity into Dawson Creek. Swan Valley has taken a fair amount of downtime related to the rail issue so hopefully, we'll be able to run that during the spring run up. And then in Maniwaki, we continue to look at export opportunities there as we're not fully utilizing that for North America. And then there was a question earlier, the 1 mill that we don't have started yet is Chambord, and I really don't have any plans this year to think about that.

Joseph Stivaletti - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Joe Stivaletti with Goldman Sachs

So if you pull that together, what basically -- what would your capacity change by in 2014 based on what you just walked through?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Joe Stivaletti with Goldman Sachs

Well, Clarke County, because we started up in April, and as we talked about earlier, it's got a miserable start-up. Clarke County will probably tripling in volume of what we had last year, probably about 150 million feet and will probably triple. Dawson Creek, I would anticipate, because that one also start up late April, probably have a doubling of the volume that came out of there. And then I would guess both in Swan and Maniwaki, we're probably looking at 20% kind of increases. So if you added all that up, it's probably another 600 million square feet.

Joseph Stivaletti - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Joe Stivaletti with Goldman Sachs

And then I guess just for the overall industry, I mean, you don't -- I mean are you expecting if we see this type of close to 20% growth in volume of housing starts, you would expect it to be a considerably tighter year or I just wondered about what your perspective was in terms of industry overall, the outlook there.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Joe Stivaletti with Goldman Sachs

Well, if we're going to go from 925,000 to 1.1 million, that's 175,000 housing starts. That should equate to a demand of right around 1.8 billion to 1.9 billion square feet of additional demand. Because the rule of thumb is 1.1 billion square feet for every 100,000 housing starts.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research Group.

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research Group

First, just one quick clarification. So basically, if housing starts go up by 20%, then what's the demand? It kind of goes up 10%-ish, 10% to 12%, is that about right using the numbers you...

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research Group

I think I look at it the other way. Just take the number of housing starts and multiply every 100,000 as 1.1 and you can figure out what the incremental demand is in OSB.

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research Group

Okay, great. And then on the new timing agreement, if this is a fair question, can you just share with us whether this agreement was initiated by you and Ainsworth or what was it initiated by the regulatory agencies?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research Group

Well, I think the fact that we have agreement in place, it was mutually agreed to. There were discussions around on how we continued to assist the DOJ and Competition at Canada and making progress towards improving these acquisitions.

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research Group

Okay. And then just lastly, I know you made the comments on your sense that the inventory channel was relatively lean, at least with your customers, so you probably built up some inventory. And yet if you look at fourth quarter production for the industry, it was actually as high as it was in the third quarter and it was up substantially versus a year ago. More so than you would have thought based on what was happening with housing starts, demand would have increased. So I guess, when you look at the amount of OSB that was produced in the latter part of last year, does that not kind of suggest that actually there's quite a lot of OSB out there at least coming into the year?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research Group

Again, I'm relying on our sales force coming back to us and talking to customers. And we're not seeing -- we're not hearing from either our salespeople or customers that they bought inventory.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Sean Steuart with TD Securities.

Sean Steuart - TD Securities Equity Research

Analyst · Sean Steuart with TD Securities

Just one question. South America is the weakest results we've seen from that segment in I think at least a couple of years. Maybe just going through some of the contributing factors in more detail. You touched on I guess, imports into Chile and few other factors. Is there more happening there than that? It's a pretty steep decline in results there.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Sean Steuart with TD Securities

I think there's 2 things. One, the competitive pressure that Sallie talked about is certainly a major factor there. We also had a strengthening of the U.S. dollar so there was some translation that have affected both results.

Sean Steuart - TD Securities Equity Research

Analyst · Sean Steuart with TD Securities

Not changing your thinking on the growth strategy there long term, no?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Sean Steuart with TD Securities

No. No. In fact, as Sallie mentioned, we're doing preliminary planning on a third mill there.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Sean Steuart with TD Securities

Yes. But pricing difference. You have to remember, the Chilean price really is impacted by what's going on here in North America. And so think about the pricing environment that exists in North America in the fourth quarter of 2012 versus the pricing environment that exists in North America in the fourth quarter of 2013. And that gives you some -- the dynamics that would cause the Chilean results to reflect that as well.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Just first of all, I want to come back on the weather. Curt, you've mentioned natural gas and propane. And I just -- I want to get a sense of how big an issue that might be in the first quarter? Propane in particular is up sharply but natural gas is also up.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Well, for us, we really only use that on our pollution control basement [ph] equipment. We don't use it as part of our process, or if we can't run your pollution control equipment you can't run your mill. And so it primarily affected our siding mill, we had several outages in siding. We were tied to use natural gas but we only use propane, when we can't get natural gas and so we had -- they were diverting natural gas to household for home heating and then there was a storage of propane. And who knows whether it's true or not, what I heard the corn crop was very big and it takes a lot of natural gas and propane to dry up the corn, that's what I heard. So -- relatively limited to a couple of mills in the late-stage associated with siding.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Okay. All right. Another question -- actually it was also related to natural gas. If gas stays elevated, what's the effect on that on kind of your rise in the cost, rise in prices, because a lot of that stuff is natural gas derivatives, I believe.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

It's not a -- it is a derivative but the biggest ones are benzene and phenol, the biggest drivers.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

[indiscernible] oil.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

So natural gas has an impact but it's not as big as the derivative, the old derivatives.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Okay. All right. Side question, can you give us the operating rate at that Brazilian mill right now?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

I don't have it in front of me, I'd be guessing. I would guess that was probably running at about 80%.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Okay. That's a little better than I might have thought. And how -- about how much of that gets exported, Curt?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

I don't have that in front of me either.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

I don't have it in front of me, probably 1/2 of it. 1/3 to 1/2. Trending downwards because we're selling more of it in Brazil.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Yes. And just generally in Brazil, I think the big issue down there has just been kind of getting kind of builders and building codes modified so that people could use OSB. Can you give us just a 60-second update on that?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Well, we sold OSB in to over twice as many homes in 2013 than we did in 2012, so we continue to make progress there. We've probably got half a dozen to a dozen builders, who are now qualified to use our building systems, so we continue to make good progress there.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Mark, about 30% of our Brazilian sales in the quarter were exported.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Okay. Thanks, Sallie. And then the last one, Curt, just sort of any change in view on the Engineered Wood business and what it's going to take to move that business to profitability? I think in the past, you talked about 1 million or 1.1 million starts in kind of a threshold number.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

I still think that's a good number. And as Sallie say, we made progress towards the latter half of the year. I think we are EBITDA break -- we were EBITDA positive in the second half of the year in that business and that's a positive sign. That was relaxation of raw materials. We also did put in a couple of price increases during the year to recover those higher raw materials costs. We only had significant increases in our volume on Laminated Strand Lumber volume so we're continuing to make progress there [indiscernible] path for a recovery.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Are you putting any more capital in to that business right now?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Well, we're maintaining our mills and we haven't made any -- obviously, we're turning more capacity so M&A in capacity increases there, but we did make an investment in our holding [ph] mill that will allow us to make limited quantities of OSB at that mill, which was always the plan but we didn't need that and now we've seen opportunity for some high-quality foreign products.

Operator

Operator

And your last question comes from the line of Paul Quinn with RBC Capital Markets.

Paul C. Quinn - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Just a couple of quick cleanups. Just on poor rail service, I think you called it abysmal, Curt. Is that more weather-related or is that just strictly on service levels?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Well, I'm going to be in your city next week with the Forest Park Association in Canada, that's a major item on our agenda. As you know, we've been trying to fight for service level agreements with the CN and CP for a long time. There is a rail review in Canada coming up in 2016. I really don't want to wait until then. This has been a problem. I think weather was clearly a problem in January and into February. But I also think it's how they're staging their prevent, what equipment they're making available. They're focused on utilization of equipment rather than satisfying customers, from my perspective. So just to give you an example, at Peace Valley, we need 90 cars a day. We went 2 weeks with 0. And then the third week, we got 30. So you just can't run the mill when that happens.

Paul C. Quinn - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Okay. And then if you could give us an idea of operating rates in Canada on the OSB side versus the U.S. as a result of that?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Well, that was an impact this quarter, which, obviously, I haven't reported the results for this quarter. We didn't have rail service issues on the fourth quarter.

Paul C. Quinn - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Okay. And then just in South America, you referenced increased imports in to that. Where is that? Is that coming from North American competitors and is that having any effect, I guess, it's not having any effect on your plans to put in a third mill.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

It is coming from North American competitors. And as Sallie said, they look at it opportunistically when they have excess capacity that they could take South from their operations and make a contribution margin, they're doing that. It's not dissimilar to what we're doing out of Northern Quebec, now on our Maniwaki mill. And we'll take extra capacity over into Eastern Europe and Russia that will still make a contribution margin.

Operator

Operator

I will now turn the call over to Sallie Bailey, for closing remarks.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · CLSA

Great. Thank you, Brittany. If you could please provide the replay number, we would appreciate it. And I'd like to thank everybody for participating in our call. And as always, Mike and Becky are here to help answer any follow-up questions you may have. So I hope you have a great day and we appreciate your participation.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes the presentation for today's conference. You may now all disconnect and have a wonderful day.