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Louisiana-Pacific Corporation (LPX)

Q1 2012 Earnings Call· Mon, May 7, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Louisiana-Pacific Corporation First Quarter 2012 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Stephanie, and I'll be your coordinator today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the presentation over to Ms. Sallie Bailey, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please proceed.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research

Thank you very much, Stephanie, and good morning. Thank you for joining our conference call to discuss LP's financial results for the first quarter of 2012. I'm Sallie Bailey, LP's Chief Financial Officer, and with me today are Curt Stevens, LP's Chief Executive Officer; as well as Mike Kinney and Becky Barckley, our primary Investor Relations contacts. I will begin the discussion with a review of the financial results for the first quarter of 2012. This will be followed by some comments on the performance of the individual segments and selected balance sheet items. After I finish my comments, Curt will discuss the general market environment in which LP has been operating, provide his perspective on our operating results for the first quarter of 2012 and give some thoughts on the outlook for 2012. As we have done in the past, we have opened up this call to the public and are doing a webcast. The webcast can be accessed at www.lpcorp.com. Additionally, to help with the discussion, we have provided a presentation with supplemental information that should be reviewed in conjunction with the earnings release. I'll be referencing these slides in my comments this morning. We have also filed an 8-K this morning with some supplemental information, as well as our first quarter 10-Q. I want to remind all of the participants about the forward looking statements comment on Slide 2 of the presentation. Please also be aware of the discussion of our use of non-GAAP financial information included on Slide 3 of the presentation. The appendix attached to the presentation has some of the necessary reconciliations, which have been supplemented by the Form 8-K filing we made this morning. Rather than reading these 2 statements, I incorporate them with this reference. Before I get started on the detailed…

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mike Roxland, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Thanks, Sallie. That was a very good review. Today is my first full day as CEO of LP. As we have reported, last Friday, I was elected to the Board of Directors of LP and officially became only the fourth Chief Executive Officer in LP's history. After nearly 15 years of participating on the quarterly calls as the CFO, this will be my first time talking to you as LP's CEO. I thought it would be useful for me to share with you today what the change in leadership means to LP and where I will be focusing my time and attention. I will also provide some comments on the market. First and foremost, there will be no change to our vision, values and customer principle within LP. The LP values will remain consistent and continue to drive our actions and how we work together. Safety, as Rick has said and I will continue to say, there is nothing more important than safety at LP. "No one should have to get hurt while working at LP" are words that we live by, and drive a culture focused on 0 incidents. For the first quarter we ended with a total incident rate of 0.48 across the entire company. In OSB, our largest business, we didn't have a signal recordable injury in Q1. Protection of the environment. This is a legal requirement and necessary to be good members of our communities. Compliance with all laws and ethically with high integrity in all we do, simply put, it means doing the right thing. Providing quality products and services to our customers. This is a must-have to achieve our objective of being the supplier of choice. We respect people within our organization, and we have a commitment to teamwork. We have a commitment to…

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research

Great. Thank you, Curt. Stephanie, we're now ready to go to the queue for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Mike Roxland, Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Michael A. Roxland - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Mike Roxland, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Any reason surprise you this quarter, it seems like the West has seen some relative pricing strength later -- lately, excuse me, so what's going on in the West versus other regions? And what really caught you by surprise during the quarter?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mike Roxland, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

I'm not sure I'd say that anything caught me by surprise other than the housing -- the absolute level of housing starts because we, as I've said, have budgeted a lower number than that. We're optimistic it was going to be higher, but it actually was better than I thought. As far as OSB pricing in the West, we're not really sure why it went down last year. If you look at the Q1 differential between Western Canadian print and the other prints, it's pretty much back at its historic average. So it's been a recovery of what's kind of unexplained in Q2, 3 and 4 of last year.

Michael A. Roxland - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Mike Roxland, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Got you. I mean, anything specific to your ops in the quarter, it seems like the overall enterprise ran a lot better this quarter than in prior quarters?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mike Roxland, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

I think that with our -- as I mentioned, our Lean Six Sigma, we continue to be more efficient and effective in how we're run those facilities. We did have a little more incremental demand in all of the businesses, which allows those mills to run better. Anytime we can get closer to a 24/7 operation, we're going to have more efficient operations than we are with different shifting patterns.

Michael A. Roxland - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Mike Roxland, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

And in terms of the level of down time that you took, how does that compare 1Q versus 4Q?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mike Roxland, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

I think the number in OSB, we ran effective capacity about 76%.

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Analyst · Mike Roxland, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

77% in Q1 this year, and Q4 was...

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mike Roxland, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

I don't know if you heard, Mike, but I think we ran 76%, 77% effective capacity in OSB in Q1. It was about 68% in Q4. Now that's of what's running, that doesn't include the $1.6 billion of curtailed capacity.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Gail Glazerman with UBS.

Gail S. Glazerman - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · Gail Glazerman with UBS

Do you feel that your customer order flows are matching the improvements that you're seeing on housing starts and permits? Or do you feel that they're still maybe not believing it's true and there could be a pickup or a rush later in the quarter?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Gail Glazerman with UBS

Yes, we were concerned about that because last year we had a very good Q1 from an order standpoint that it fell off in Q2. That's why I gave you a little color on April. Our order files in April were better than we had expected and continue to show some strength, so again, we're cautiously optimistic Q2 is going to be a good quarter.

Gail S. Glazerman - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · Gail Glazerman with UBS

And did you feel that any of your businesses in particular might have benefited more from the warm weather and pull forward of projects completed that would have normally happened later in the year? Or do you feel a shift to your ongoing demand?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Gail Glazerman with UBS

I wouldn't say any product line benefited more than another. I think there was probably a little bit more repair remodels, so business that went through the boxes in the northern part of the U.S. probably did a little bit better than we expected. But overall, I wouldn't say there was one that stood out.

Gail S. Glazerman - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · Gail Glazerman with UBS

Okay. And just last question the reference about increased imports into Chile, was that from Brazil or from the U.S. or both?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Gail Glazerman with UBS

It was actually both. We imported some products from Brazil into Chile, and we also imported some products from our Canadian operations into Chile. We're seeing more demand in Chile than we can satisfy. So opportunistically, we're looking at bringing that product in from other of our facilities.

Gail S. Glazerman - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · Gail Glazerman with UBS

And I guess just one last quick follow-up on that. In Brazil, are you still thinking about kind of starting the second line there? Or at this point, would you see just filling in the gaps in North America is a better option?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Gail Glazerman with UBS

Well, let me be clear. Starting the second line means we have a turmoil system that we need to bring up, it's still the same line. But you could run a little bit faster if you'll bring up a second turmoil. We're currently running between 60% and 65% of capacity in Brazil. As it turns out, because of the transportation costs, it isn't a lot cheaper to move products from Brazil to Chile than it is from North America to Chile, as crazy as that sounds.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes the line of Chip Dillon with Vertical Research Partners.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners Inc.

Analyst

First question is, I noticed you did make a change in how you're going to report the adjusted EBITDA to I believe include the 2 joint ventures involving, I guess, Peace River and the Abitibi plant. And I know those JVs, I believe, have very little debt. But I was wondering the thought of why you would include the EBITDA? Unless, I'm assuming you can't dividend it up to the parent.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research

Chip, simply to be consistent with what we've done in the past, we've always included the EBIT. We've always included the EBIT, so it just seems that we should include the DA as well.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners Inc.

Analyst

Got you. Got you. And I guess you've included all the EBIT, right? And then you take off 1/2 in corporate or did you just include the 1/2?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research

We just included the portion that comes to us, similarly with the depreciation.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners Inc.

Analyst

Okay. And then the second thing is, it looks like, and I know it can vary quite a bit from year-to-year, but it looks like the working capital, I know it always goes up in the first quarter because of seasonality, it seemed to be a bigger cash strain than it often can be and your net cash position is about $0.50, $0.60 a share less than what it was a year ago. And so I was just thinking, are you concerned about that? I know your gross cash is still pretty high, is there -- are you going to look at perhaps husbanding more cash later in the year than maybe you had planned?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research

Well, let me start with cash is -- have been and will remain king at LP, so that hasn't changed with the change of the person sitting in the CFO's chair. As we look at inventories, we actually used slightly less cash for inventories in the first quarter of 2012 than we did in the first quarter of 2011. So the real difference is coming in the accounts receivable area. And that's because our winter buyer program actually extended into April of this year, where as in prior years, much more of it would have been concluded in the March timeframe in terms of the cash receipts.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners Inc.

Analyst

Got you. And would you expect that working capital, I mean that can sometimes be the second or the first book because of what you just said, I guess, we should expect working capital to perhaps peak in the first quarter and be certainly lower in the second half.

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research

Yes. Certainly, as you know, it all depends upon what happens with demand, but we would certainly anticipate, assuming demand stays at the levels it is today, that working capital would come down to the season -- would come down and generate cash over the course of the year, similar to the patterns we've had in prior years. I think if demand increases in the fourth quarter and we're certainly as you all know, a long ways away from the fourth quarter, we might see some build and logs in particular in the fourth quarter.

Chip A. Dillon - Vertical Research Partners Inc.

Analyst

Got you. And the last question is, the Siding business, I think probably beat what most of us were looking for. And some of you will see seasonal sequential improvement going in the second quarter. In some years, it may not -- might not because the first was so good. And I'm guessing that this year is going to be tougher to see it go up again in the second from the first just because of the warm weather. Would you agree with that? Or are we being conservative?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mike Roxland, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

I think there's a couple of things. One, because we did have the per-buy [ph] program this year, we did not have it last year. And this is principally for our Canadian manufactured product. We expected a little bit of a drop off in sales there. We have not seen that. So that's good news from our perspective. The other good news from our perspective is we did make the decision last week on one of our smaller mills to add a 4 shift [ph]. They have not been running 24/7 for the last 3 years. And we the only did that because the Siding business believes that there's a true increase in demand. So that's a good thing for our employees in 2 harbors.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research.

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research

The last couple of years, obviously, has been very tough conditions, and you've been spending capital appropriately. Now hopefully, we're at the stage where things are going to start looking a little bit better. What type of capital do you think on a go-forward basis assuming that we are starting to enter improved housing conditions? Realistically, you need to spend kind of maintenance type levels and then are there lots of opportunities for high return types of projects on the cost side that maybe have accumulated during this downtime, during this difficult period?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research

I think the way I would answer that is typically, if we are running our operations 24/7, we ought to be putting $1.5 million to $2 million a year in each one of those facilities, we have 26 operating facilities. So that would say you're somewhere in the $40 million to $50 million, if you're running 24/7, which we have not been and that's why we've been able to prudently reduce that. There are return projects identified by our businesses that we have held off on. So if we do see increased demand, there's probably another $5 million to $10 million of spend that we could add to that and relatively higher returns short payback. So I think what we talked about last year's, 2010 -- or 2011 rather, we've planned on a $50 million capital budget and when the market did not come back, we knocked that back down to $25 million. I would anticipate that if we do have strong markets, that we could be in a $40 million to $50 million range. But that's not immediate. And as Sallie said, we're holding to the $25 million number for this year.

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research

Okay. And can you remind us when you get back into the moneymaking mode, in terms of cash taxes, what you have in place that will reduce the cash tax outlays?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research

It's the -- I can get that. That's about -- I don't think it's in the material, I think it's $160 million -- it's around $170 million. Mark, we can get you that detail. I just don't remember it off the top of my head. It depends on -- there are some in the U.S. and there are some in Canada. And I think it's split almost evenly between the 2 of them. But we'll get you the detail.

Mark A. Weintraub - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research

Okay. Presumably that you have 1 or 2 years, where you would have fairly nominal cash taxes?

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · Mark Weintraub with Buckingham Research

Well, I mean, of course it depends on how good the year is from what I can tell. But it's a pretty significant number, yes.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Curt, you've already addressed adding just more shifts at some facilities. Could you just walk us through how you would think about actually restarting some of the idle facilities? And sort of what the timeline from the moment you decide to restart until something could actually start running again, what that would look like?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Yes, I could talk about that. And I'll talk about it, I assume you want to focus on OSB, so I'll focus on that. Right now, today, there's roughly 19.5 billion to 20 billion square feet of capacity that's running in North America. It's not running at that rate, but it's running. So today, I think last year, the demand was 15.5 billion to 16 billion square feet. So there's another 3 billion that we could add. And think about housing starts, every 100,000 housing starts is 1 billion square feet. So if you increase your housing starts with 300,000 over the 580,000 that we had last year, that says when you get close to 900,000 you're going to be out of OSB capacity. So as a producer from our standpoint, we would look at that and see if see sustainable housing starts at 900,000 or north. We have to think about adding that capacity. From a timing standpoint, obviously, the mills that have been shut down the longest, it's going to be the longest to come back up. But it's probably, from the time you make the decision, it's a 9 to 12 months ramp-up and that includes getting your logs in the deck and hiring your people, training your staff. Now we have a decided advantage because we have multiple facilities and we see those operations with current employees. But you heard me talking about our plan to be prepared for recovery. We will have detailed plans in place that will make that as short as possible, so that we can get the most market intelligence before we make those decisions. From a cost standpoint, it's about cost, and again, it depends on how long the mills are down-- but it's probably a $5 million to $10 million number if you bring up one of these big operations. And that's things like the forklift that you took out and relocated to another mill, you got to replace that. Those spare parts that you took out of the storeroom, you've got to replace that, then you're working capital with resins and wood. Well, that's the numbers we think about.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Okay. And I just -- I'm curious, as the business appears to be picking up, do you think that this could be the trigger to seeing a little more consolidation in the OSB business? I mean, really, aside from GP buying Grant, there has not been a whole lot during the downturn.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Well, it's interesting. it didn't happen at the top. It didn't happen on the way down, it didn't happen at the bottom. So the only thing left is on the way up. I will use one of the Rick-isms, there aren't any sissies left.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Yes, I've heard that one. Okay, a couple of other questions. I was just comparing your Engineered Wood volumes to the numbers that were reported last week by Boise Cascade and also to what Weyerhaeuser reported. And you guys were really pretty flat in that business and both of those other guys, the 2 main competitors in the business, showed much stronger year-over-year volume gains in those businesses. Any thoughts on why that comp might have appeared as it did?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

What we are trying to do with our Engineered Wood business, Mark, is that business that does not have any repair or remodel components to speak of, a little bit of light, industrial and commercial because principally new home construction. We're trying to make that cash neutral as best as we can. And market share, when you're under water, it doesn't help you much. So we have actually walked away from some business that just didn't provide -- didn't help us reset our cash breakeven that we're focused on.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Okay. Is it still a business that you want to stay in, however?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Pardon?

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Still a business that you want to stay in over the long term?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Oh, there's lots of very, very positive things for Engineered Wood. If you think about the situation in British Columbia with the beetle kill, and now with these explosions, there's probably going to be less capacity coming out of that. Having the China market come back and then the change in the design values for Southern Yellow pine lumber are going to make it increasingly beneficial to the builder and architect to use Engineered Wood.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Okay. Just 2 other ones. Gail brought up that issue of the imports into Chile. It seems like over the last few years, we've seen a lot of other players or some other players shipping OSB down into Latin America, I will avoid calling it a dumping ground, but are you continuing to see other players kind of ship into South America on an opportunistic basis?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Well, we can see the imports statistics in Chile. So we do get those on a quarterly basis if you look at it. So we have a pretty feel for what the external volume is. It's still not very significant. It's kind of an annoyance, but it's not very significant.

Mark Wilde - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Okay. And the last question I have. You've mentioned sort of supply chain and things. One branch of the supply chain, you didn't mention, is just sort of what's happened to all of these building products distributors, the intermediaries? Because it seems like to me that a lot of those guys are privately held, and I don't know how many of them have gone out of business over the last 3 or 4 years.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Mark Wilde with Deutsche Bank

Well, I think at that level, there's about 5,400 that no longer exist. So a lot of those have gone out. And I mentioned, compasset[ph] if I didn't, we are concerned about getting it to the job site. Who we dealed generally with is the 2 stepper that gets it to those guys that then get it to the job site. And that's important from 2 perspectives. One, it's important from just the logistics and moving the material there. But the other important role that they play is they finance the builder. And with the banks being reluctant to finance builders, the channel has to assume that role. So we are concerned about that.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Paul Quinn with RBC Capital Markets.

Paul C. Quinn - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Paul Quinn with RBC Capital Markets

Just looking at your operating rates, 76%, 77% in the quarter, you've got a little bit of ability to add capacity. And I guess previous questions have asked about how long that's going to take to get back, but do you see a first mover advantage in adding that back earlier than the rest of the industry?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Paul Quinn with RBC Capital Markets

You mean a new mill? Or an indefinitely curtailed mill?

Paul C. Quinn - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Paul Quinn with RBC Capital Markets

An indefinitely curtail mill, yes.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Paul Quinn with RBC Capital Markets

Again, just given what's running today and what that means from a housing standpoint, until you do get towards that 900,000, it doesn't make much sense. We're better off -- we're better off filling out what we got running. And from our perspective, we should be differentially advantaged because we do have the lowest operating rate because we can see what Ainsworth is announcing as well as Norbord.

Paul C. Quinn - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Paul Quinn with RBC Capital Markets

Okay. I'm just trying to put in the context, so that's sort of 9 to 12 months before you bring it up and that's sort of current consensus, which you've got at 875,000 for '13.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Paul Quinn with RBC Capital Markets

Well, it's right. It's 875,000 for '13. So in my mind, if that is accurate and we grow from there, in the middle of next year, we're going to have to make some decisions.

Paul C. Quinn - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Paul Quinn with RBC Capital Markets

All right. And just on Brazil, volume is pretty flat year-over-year. Just if you could give us some additional color of the growth of that market, and how you look at that going forward?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · Paul Quinn with RBC Capital Markets

Well, one of the things that we've been trying to do, Paul, is we've been trying to go through what is a very bureaucratic process to get our building system approved. And we've actually made some great strides there. And we do have demonstration projects, Sao Paulo, Rio and in Curitiba, where we've had builder partners build 40 to 60 units both for middle-class residential, as well as for government-sponsored building. Now those are still demonstration projects, and we've got some of the certifications, not all of it, wish Rick O were here today because he can give you more detail on that. But we are making progress in the building system. Generally, what that means is adding our OSB to steel studs and then adding roof decking using asphalt shingles. So we are making some progress there. The other area we continue to make progress is the industrial. But that was relatively flat year-over-year. So any increase we did have was in the, I would call, the nascent building side of that.

Operator

Operator

The final question comes from the line of Steve Chercover with D.A. Davidson. Steven Chercover - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: A number of my questions have been asked, but I wanted to ask about the changes to building codes that have allowed the construction of kind of multi-story, I think up to 7-story wood-framed buildings. Have you actually seen any of these projects using this style of construction?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · D.A

I was in Vancouver and I did see there's a City Hall up there that's using this Cross-Laminated Timber, which basically, you do the same thing with our LSL. But then you get into logistics of shipping something that's going to be 8 wide by 68 feet long and 4 feet thick. That's a tough piece of wood to come from Houlton, Maine. Frankly speaking, here in the U.S. I think the 4-story and under is probably going to be our sweet spot, and we are seeing a fair amount of multifamily using that. I know there's a lot of talk around it to build these bigger buildings. I just don't know how much of the market they're really going to represent going forward. Steven Chercover - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: So to a certain extent, this was a bit of an academic exercise to demonstrate?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · D.A

I think it is. We actually had Peter Green. He's the big architect -- Michael Green, an associate up in Vancouver. We had him spend some time with us. Probably, the most interesting thing that he brought to my attention that I wasn't aware of is that concrete, from a sustainability standpoint, is terrible. It provides or it creates 8% of the gas in the U.S. versus fuel or versus transportation which was 2.5%. So concrete, as a building material, is not very sustainable. So the under 4-story using concrete and steel is not the right way to go. Steven Chercover - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: Yes. Because I don't think concrete grows back. But I think part of the objective was to kind of stimulate the Chinese adoption. Anything would be there?

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · D.A

Yes, I think you're exactly right. What they're trying to do is demonstrate they can build a 15- or 20-story building and then have the Chinese say, "Well, this is perfect for 6 storys then."

Sallie B. Bailey

Analyst · D.A

Great. Well, thank you. Stephanie, I think that's all the time we have for questions. So if you could please provide the replay number. And then I'd like to -- before you do that, I'd like to thank everyone for participating in our call. Mike and Becky, as always, are here to follow-up -- to answer any follow-up questions. And I thank you and hope everyone has a good day.

Curtis M. Stevens

Analyst · D.A

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

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