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LivePerson, Inc. (LPSN)

Q2 2016 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 27, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Sally, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the LivePerson Second Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. On the call today we have Dan Murphy, CFO and Chief Executive Officer, Robert LoCascio. I will now turn the conference over to Mr. Murphy. Please go ahead.

Daniel Murphy

Analyst

Thanks very much. Before we begin, please note that we will make forward-looking statements during today's call, which are predictions, projections or other statements about future results. These statements are based on our current expectations and assumptions as of today and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially due to various factors, including those described in today's earnings press release, in the comments made during this conference call and in 10-Ks, 10-Qs and other reports we file from time to time with the SEC. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Also, during this call we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures is included in today's earnings press release which is available in the Investor Relations section of our website. With that, I will turn the call over to Robert LoCascio.

Robert LoCascio

Analyst

Thank you for joining LivePerson second quarter 2016 conference call. The second quarter in many respects marked the watershed moment for LivePerson. We accomplished something no other company has done. We brought the first enterprise live on mobile messaging, app scale and it was delivered on the LiveEngage platforms. This achievement coupled with now over 70% of our customer migrate the LiveEngage sets us up for really tremendous future. We did sacrifice some short term revenue for the year as our focus on accelerating migrations, had a further impact on over upsells to existing customer base. The impact was about 3% of revenues, additional 7 million from those delayed upsells for the year. Approximately 25% of revenues are already on LiveEngage, a total of 60% of revenues are currently in the migration queue and the remaining 40% are in process. The customer renewal rate is steady at 82% in the second quarter which is in line with our forecast and we continue to target returning 90% plus once the migration is complete. In fact, a small initial sample set up of full service customers generate on average a greater than 100% dollar retention rate within the first year of creating the LiveEngage. The real interesting thing is what happens when customers are on LiveEngage. First, they instantly get aligned through a mobile first strategy. Mobile counts for nearly 25% of all interactions on LiveEngage versus less than 10% on legacy. And same customer mobile interaction on LiveEngage increased by 19% in the second quarter over the first. Secondly, they use more functionality. Greater than 20% of our full service customers on LiveEngage are using more than just traditional chat. Superior mobile, easier campaign building and testing capabilities are more efficient in agent work space and our embedded window design are…

Daniel Murphy

Analyst

Thanks, Rob. Reiterating Rob's comments, our underlying fundamental point to solid execution on most of our 2016 objective. As with the end of the second quarter, we have migrated more than 70% of our customers to LiveEngage and we are very confident in meeting our goal of upgrading 75% of our customers by yearend. We are rapidly moving revenue on to the platform as we upgrade our largest brand and we're seeing positive results from LiveEngage customers, including strong mobile adoption and double digit year-over-year usage increases. It is a great indicator of customer satisfaction and future revenue growth potential. We stabilized the customer renewal rate in the second quarter and generated solid traction in the consumer and automotive verticals. We are also keenly focused on driving efficiencies throughout our business and we are on track to reduce expenses year-over-year by approximately 5% or $12 million of 2016. 2016 expenses include investment of approximately $5 million and one-time cost to ensure positive upgrade experience as our brand moves to LiveEngage. As we entered 2016, the user will be three key levers associated with pushing the upgrade to LiveEngage. Customer renewal assumption, the timing of migrations and the timing of upsells from the existing customers migrating to new platform. We've build our forecast to account the new levers based on detailed account plan to each brand and in depth customer level conservations. Midway to the year we are right on target with our renewal rate assumption, we are also tracking extremely well against our migration forecast with more than 70% of our customer now in LiveEngage. We have approximately 25% of our revenue migrated as of the end of the second quarter. As well our success having key mid market modifies reference customers onto LiveEngage has helped to accelerate migrations either…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Richard Baldry with Roth Capital. Your line is open.

Richard Baldry

Analyst

Thank you. As we kind of backup the onetime expenses, could you walk through which lines those will be in so we can see more of a run rate sort of operating expense level? And then where the continuing cost cuts maybe focused out to build the model? And then over on the operational side, can you talk maybe on the messenger a little about how you're seeing or finding your initial large-scale customers, is it vertical, oriented, who you kind of compete with on those deals maybe different than who we see you would compete within the past? Thanks.

Robert LoCascio

Analyst

So Rich on the onetime costs you’re referring to the 5 million that we’re talking about?

Richard Baldry

Analyst

Right. And during the quarter it sounds like there is something around 3 million in sort of non-recurring expenses?

Robert LoCascio

Analyst

Yes, so we have about 3 million and it’s bucketed into two buckets. One is around litigation and the second is around what we call cost optimization opportunities. Some of its selling, some of its closing of offices that we used to have in place that we don’t need any more. Then as far as the 5 million, that’s predominantly in the sales and marketing line item related to the migration and there was a little bit in costs to good sold as well.

Daniel Murphy

Analyst

And then on the messenger side, today there are small amount of startups that are out there. But we're the first out on scale so when we’re working with this large enterprise, we’re dealing with thousands and thousands of potential agents and tens of millions of consumers and millions of devices, so - and our platform can handle that scale. So right now, we’re in a strong position in executing on delivering it.

Richard Baldry

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kyle Chen with Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Kyle Chen

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Hi. Thanks for taking the question. I guess Dan just on the $7 million reduction in the outlook, can we drill inside a little bit so it looks like there's delayed upsells related to existing customer migrations I guess what were you anticipating kind of ending the - going into the year in terms of upsell activity, I was under the impression that the focus was largely on migrations not so much in terms of new bookings. But you know maybe a couple words there and a little clarity?

Robert LoCascio

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Yes, so - hi, Kyle. As you’re familiar with the business roughly 70% in the past of our bookings have been from existing customers and we did expect to take a little bit of a haircut on that or decent size cut on the upsell to existing customers. But what actually ended up happening, the good news is we have this in our control and it’s up to us. But the migration of customers and we’re actually have the ability to start moving customers over a little bit faster than we expected. And we were able to move over portions of the business or a line of business. And what we’re seeing early indications in Q2 and we’re moving those customers over, they’re holding off on a buying decision. And it's better for LP and better for our customers to move these migration and bite-size chunks as opposed to trying to do a whole line of business that’s relatively compacts all at ones. So from our perspective it is having an impact on the upsells and we are having our AMs account managers really focused on driving the migrations over the LiveEngage platform.

Kyle Chen

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Okay, that's helpful. And I guess conceptually if we were to fast-forward 12 months and assume that you migrated all the customers that you intend to migrate over to the new platform and you make your way through the contract renewals, is I guess this quarter was like a 11% from a interaction perspective, growth perspective, is this sort of the bare minimum level of rev growth that we can expect to see if usage trend remains just as improper to correlate the usage trends with the minimum revenue growth going forward?

Robert LoCascio

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

I'm not giving you specific guidance around what’s going to happen on LiveEngage. But we're actually pretty happy about the usage trends as far as the number of interactions, what’s happening with mobile. There is a correlation that we’re seeing you know as Rob talked a little bit about in his script. Although it’s a small sample size, we’re seeing small sample size of LiveEngage customers that actually come up for renewal. We’re at $1 renewal rate of greater than 100%. Again, small sample size but that's going in the right direction and what we’re seeing is those early indications. So following on the other answer our goal is to get the migration done as quickly as possible. And one of the assumptions that we had was around 75% of our customers been migrated on the LiveEngage - on the LiveEngage platform by yearend. And with us being about 70%, that target in reach. In addition, what we're seeing or what we’re expecting is less revenue we have to be migrating in 2017 than we originally anticipated. So a couple of positive trends there around the LiveEngage and migration to LiveEngage.

Kyle Chen

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Okay. Thanks very much. Best of luck guys.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brian Schwartz with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Great. This is [Cogey] [ph] for Brian Schwartz. Thank you for taking my question. Just a quick question on the remaining conversions that you have for LiveEngage, I believe you’re saving the largest enterprises to convert the LiveEngage last. Maybe if you could talk a little bit about what percentage of the remaining looks like 30% of those customers are the large enterprises that you have and maybe could you give us an idea of how long it takes to fully convert these customers over to LiveEngage?

Robert LoCascio

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

So we’re already converting the large ones. So that’s the thing that started. So with large they can get they’re getting converted right now. We about 60% already in the LiveEngage queue to go of the total revenue base that’s the total revenue 70% of the total customer base. And so we're moving that quite quickly and that's our focus right now. So we have aligned aside a lot of control over the movement everyone’s got dates. So we feel good about where we are with that and we’re seeing more importantly as when we move them they have really good results. So there’s a confidence in the organization as they see more and more the large enterprise go live there’s a confidence that build with all the account managers and sales team and they just want to go because once they go that gives us an opportunity obviously to upsell cross-sell and do those things. So that's where we’re right now. 25% of revenues, 70% of the cost base up 60% line of sight better in queue to go. And the large enterprise is already being moved the largest of the large.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Okay. Great, Thank you for that. And a question for Dan I think, could you talk maybe a little bit about if there was a FX impact to international revenue in the second quarter?

Daniel Murphy

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

There was an impact in the second quarter. It was minimal the pound actually held pretty steady and as you know we’ve pretty good exposure, descent file exposure to the great British pound. So there’s about $400,000 impact approximately $400,000 impact in the second quarter.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Great. Thank you. Thank you for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Glenn Mattson

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Hi. On the mobile platform the customer that you converted at scale, can you say and then the second customer you added, can you say what industry that was in and any other details or notes early about just the initial uptake anything like that?

Robert LoCascio

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

No, I would rather not [indiscernible] we will do some pressing stuff shortly. But they’re in one of our top verticals of the banking, telco cable and travel. So yes, they’re one of the leaders in one of those four verticals.

Glenn Mattson

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

And is it a global deployment or in any region of the world?

Robert LoCascio

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Yes, it’s a U.S. entity, it’s a U.S. company or only in the U.S. They have over 50 million consumers in their base of customers and millions of devices of their app into the out in the market today. So we're installed in that app. Like I said this is the first one that we believe in the wall has got a lot of scale. So there’s like -- there’s thousands and thousands of consumers tens of thousands actually its quite large hundred thousand actually. So…

Glenn Mattson

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Great. And just on the a real quick, make sure I have, you said 25% converted to 60% in the Q and 40 - you gave another number 40%, what was that in process, is that?

Daniel Murphy

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Are in process right now yes, so 40% are in process and so we are locking down the final dates and going through the final planning. We have target dates with them but they are the last, the sixth year they have been migrating, lines of business went live so those are where are we put code on pages and things are moving so that’s 60%.

Glenn Mattson

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Okay, great. Thanks and best of luck.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Van Rhee with Craig Hallum. Your line is open.

Jeff Van Rhee

Analyst · Craig Hallum. Your line is open.

So, let’s see on the sales side obviously you have messaged you are going to really have guys focused on migrating at the expense of trying to drive new business and obviously one of the challenges there is sales people like that big incentive comp for new business. In terms of retention, what have you done and how have you done in terms of holding your people in their seats while they are really doing more customer migration than what I would call more of their typical selling rules.

Robert LoCascio

Analyst · Craig Hallum. Your line is open.

Yes Jeff, that’s actually a great question and something that we gave a lot of thought to. And as we started to move towards the migrations in 2016, we actually adjusted the comp plan for a good portion of the sales organization to get them to focus on the migration. There is a portion of their compensation tied to that migration. So we made that change and from our perspective it was in our control to be able to take advantage of upgrading and migrating those customers on to LiveEngage platform. And if you guys know this goes out for an extended period of time, that’s not good for our customers, that’s not good for LivePerson. So we are getting much more aggressive in bringing these customers across to the finish line.

Daniel Murphy

Analyst · Craig Hallum. Your line is open.

And we added as a resource for them from outsource resources which is part of the 5 million one time, we did a larger investment from outsource resources to do the migrations. So where we got that very standardized work for tagging and setting up accounts, we’ll set up a full account before they even go live. So it’s got all the data and everything ready to go and they just have to switch it on. So we actually increase the expense there which is part of that bucket of one time fees because once again we see we are ready to go, the demand is there and we just want to get the majority of it done obviously this year and we are on track to do that.

Jeff Van Rhee

Analyst · Craig Hallum. Your line is open.

That's great. And in terms of the, you commented on the differed revenue and the improved cash flow as you look at this migration in the LiveEngage, now it's getting a little better sample size. How do you think about the percent that will likely be going forward coming with upfront payments versus not?

Robert LoCascio

Analyst · Craig Hallum. Your line is open.

It’s a focus again of when it come up for renewal. It was an incentive for the team to move them to annual payments and I think we have actually done a pretty good job and I know a lot of AMs are probably listening on this call and I think they are doing a great job with the migrations, and they are doing a great job with our customers and navigating through this process but there is an incentive in there and definitely one of our corporate goals for annual upfront payments from our customers in order to drive cash flow and health of the business.

Jeff Van Rhee

Analyst · Craig Hallum. Your line is open.

Okay. And then just a couple quick ones here. Then the CapEx guide for the year, I’m not sure if I missed it and then consumer, bit of an uptake there just very briefly what's going on there?

Robert LoCascio

Analyst · Craig Hallum. Your line is open.

So you want to talk about, the consumer side we launched a mobile app for the experts and it’s doing quite well. So we also have been very mobile focused over there and we are just seeing a great uptake in overall usage across that division of our company.

Jeff Van Rhee

Analyst · Craig Hallum. Your line is open.

You think that the growth rate is sustainable, is that how we should think about that piece from here on now?

Robert LoCascio

Analyst · Craig Hallum. Your line is open.

Yes, you’ve been pretty - it’s pretty amazing what's happened on the demand side just by delivering it through an app. We feel good about this year and so we feel good about where the growth rates are and I think they could be sustainable going into next year.

Daniel Murphy

Analyst · Craig Hallum. Your line is open.

And Jeff, for some CapEx it’s in the press release but it’s about $12 to $13 million per CapEx for the year. It's a little bit higher than we originally guided but we decided to put more money into APAC as customers start to give up and use more. What we are seeing is having a data center in country is getting some of our financial service and telco companies, more comfortable having their data within their borders and we are seeing the opportunity for increase usage there.

Jeff Van Rhee

Analyst · Craig Hallum. Your line is open.

Got it. Great, thanks. Appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Latimore with Northland Capital. Your line is open.

Michael Latimore

Analyst · Northland Capital. Your line is open.

I guess on the 60% number in the migration funnel, I guess what kind of timeline do you have attached, is that by year end or how long is that, what's time around that funnel let's say?

Robert LoCascio

Analyst · Northland Capital. Your line is open.

Yes, Mike, let's break this down a little bit, right. So as of the end of the second quarter we got about 25% of revenue and I talked a little bit about earlier, we are moving that in some bite sized chunk. So including that 25% might be a line of business of a customer that has five or six lines of business. And so we might have move two lines of business, maybe three lines of business over. And so what we do have line aside as we're moving those lines of business over is additional lines of business with more revenue that we can move over. So they've already migrated the portion of the business and there is more to come and that's how we are getting about 60%. The 25% is done already and there is another give or take 35% that we expect to get us to 60%. And then on top of that, we have line of site to the other 40% of the revenue through account planning, conservations with customers, migration dates, timing et cetera. So as far as the timing to get to that 60% our expectation with that, we expect to get a majority of that revenue over by year-end. And so we are confident in the process that we've gotten in place, we are confident in the people that we have in place and it's further emphasize by the money that we are putting behind the migration for outsource resources to drive that migration.

Daniel Murphy

Analyst · Northland Capital. Your line is open.

But the majority of revenue will be over, will be done - we'll have this behind us, so we have a small portion going into next year.

Michael Latimore

Analyst · Northland Capital. Your line is open.

Yes, okay. Then just the pricing model to LiveEngage, is that changed much since the start of the year, or is it still a fresh model you laid out earlier this year?

Robert LoCascio

Analyst · Northland Capital. Your line is open.

The pricing model as we are primarily same, obviously, we're always looking at it, but it's still the same. And as we talked about on previous calls if the customer is on legacy and they are paying for seats, we are not looking to have a commercial discussion; we are looking to get them on to the LiveEngage platform as quickly as possible.

Michael Latimore

Analyst · Northland Capital. Your line is open.

All right, okay. And then how about just outside of the upsells to current customer dynamic, how were the - how were just for the new logo, new bookings related to new logo sales in the quarter?

Daniel Murphy

Analyst · Northland Capital. Your line is open.

Yes, we are excited. The guys are out there, they are all LiveEngage sales of course. We had about 36 deals. And as Rob talked a little bit about, the large messaging deal that we have, we actually have decent seven-figure deal starting the rest of the platforms behind messaging to this customer. So we are happy with the trajectory and the direction. And our team are focused on getting those new customers across the finish line. And as further with our ARPU around $200,000 which is consistent with Q1, so $200,000 Q1, $200,000 Q2, so all going in the right direction.

Michael Latimore

Analyst · Northland Capital. Your line is open.

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Craig Nankervis with First Analysis. Your line is open.

Craig Nankervis

Analyst · First Analysis. Your line is open.

Thanks. Good afternoon. Can you reveal why the migration was faster than expected, I am not sure it's entirely clear to me.

Robert LoCascio

Analyst · First Analysis. Your line is open.

So from a migration perspective Craig, we talked about getting the 75% of our customers by the end of the year on the LiveEngage platform and right now we're at roughly 70%. So from a customer perspective, we hastened and pushed through from a migration perspective to more customers. In addition, I think one of the question little bit earlier was around the timing of mid market and enterprise and we've actually starting to move a good number of mid market and enterprise customers over. It's not always as easy as just they left in shift and as I talked about there are lines of business that already have the capability to move over in a customer that might have five or six lines of business moving us off. So that's what happened in the migration perspective and that's one of the reason we are fast forwarding and an important statement that I made that I just want to reiterate, although that we're greater than 70% of our customers migrated as at the end of second quarter and 25% of revenue, I do expect the customer percentage to slow down as we move some of those larger customers over, but I also expect the percentage of revenue to increase as we move some of those larger customers over. So that's the path that we are going down and the last piece of that puzzle is, we have an expectation of revenues going into 2017. We still have that expectation but just not as much. So that's the of migration fact to our migration. So that's the hastening over the speeding up or the fast forwarding of migration.

Craig Nankervis

Analyst · First Analysis. Your line is open.

You made in the quarter sometime - you made some sort of conscious decision to accelerate migrations and you choose to do that, I am not exactly sure why you chose, but it sounds like you made a conscious decision to accelerate them for whatever reason?

Robert LoCascio

Analyst · First Analysis. Your line is open.

Yes, the biggest drivers for the acceleration is features is delivering the platform with the set of features that can drive that and then the readiness of the customer that they got their resources aligned to us and we pushed very hard to get those resource align in many different ways. And obviously incentivizing the account managers we added more resources on our side, they were part of these one-time costs and then being able to move that customer very quickly against their resources, we want to accelerate. There is obviously we know once we get everyone LiveEngage, we have a whole new business and we are off to the races so we wanted to just move it and we did it. Like I said it was little bit in fact the price of we can't - so we are going to take a little bit of an impact, but when the customers get on the platform they study and that's the most important thing they grow. And they are using more things, their mobile enabled them to ready for the vision. And then that vision now we also have intact within enterprise customers who is live and having success. So we got a referenceable customer in our vision. So we got to go because I said this before I think we got a 24 months to 36 months play with this company and in the industry where we are in which is having us take larger enterprises and get them live on mobile messaging and change the dynamic of how they're connecting with their consumers, this is a quick play. There's many people looking out for space. There is a lot of talk about this space and we are the first to be up in this space. So we got to get migration way behind as quickly and move to our vision and scale the company to next level.

Craig Nankervis

Analyst · First Analysis. Your line is open.

Okay. Thanks for taking me through that. And then that you would caution me either Rob or Dan you would caution us to think that you could have - I don’t know 80%, 85% of customers if you are ahead of things now in terms of the customer migrations, could you be - at a pretty high number theoretically not like you are guiding to or anything but just theoretically you know?

Robert LoCascio

Analyst · First Analysis. Your line is open.

On a public call, theoretical is kind of hard but we can do it.

Craig Nankervis

Analyst · First Analysis. Your line is open.

Look, I mean is it conceivable, you can - let's use that word, is it conceivable you could be on 80s in the 80s in terms of your percent of customers migrated by the end of the year?

Robert LoCascio

Analyst · First Analysis. Your line is open.

I think you can look where we are now and just make how you want to look at that. We gave 75% that's our target. I want to stay on that. Obviously, we are putting a lot of focus on this so to stay with what we got and then if we beat it's great.

Craig Nankervis

Analyst · First Analysis. Your line is open.

Okay. That's all I have. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mark Schapp with Benchmark. Your line is open.

Mark Schapp

Analyst · Benchmark. Your line is open.

Hi, good evening. Most of my questions have been answered, just one question for you Dan. Regarding the customer renewal rate, when do you think we will start seeing - seeing this start to take higher?

Daniel Murphy

Analyst · Benchmark. Your line is open.

We are on target with our internal assumption that we made around customer renewal rate. One of starts that Rob gave was just around renewal rates. Although, it's a small sample, we are seeing customer renewal rates and dollar renewal rates higher than legacy right now. And mark for risk that we've identified in the beginning of this process and one of the levers is as you are going through an upgrade process, there is a risk of attrition. As you are going through customer and talking to a customer and getting them to move to LiveEngage platform, some are naturally going to pick their head up and take a look around. So it's a right thing and wrong thing to do, we obviously thinks it's wrong thing to do, but we do know customers go through that process. So that’s again another reason we're seeing strong encouraging early signs on the LiveEngage platform, stronger renewal rates, stronger mobile and then selling our customers up to get them to start to adopt messaging as we just launched this large from our customer.

Mark Schapp

Analyst · Benchmark. Your line is open.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kyle Chen with Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Kyle Chen

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Hi Dan, just a quick follow-up. You’ve talked about Brexit in the form of FX impact on the outlook, but just wondering what you're seeing from a demand perspective and what you're hearing from customers given your material exposure to Europe and their region. And I guess to what extent have you properly handicapped in the revised outlook? Thanks.

Daniel Murphy

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Kyle it’s actually a great question, and Rob spent a lot of time in Europe when in was in Europe at the end of the quarter as well. We did go around talking to a lot of customers. We don't think it has an impact on the decision making, at least we haven’t seen it have an impact on decision making process yet, but we think we've built that in from our guidance, but I think there's still a lot more uncertainty that Europe has to go through especially around supporting the currency and other things we’re doing. So right still moving forward we haven't seen any slowdown on decision making yet.

Kyle Chen

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Okay. That's great to hear, thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Glenn Mattson with Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Glenn Mattson

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Hi, also follow-up related to the retention. Are you seeing any increased aggressive pricing or aggressive marketing efforts by competitors on people you haven't converted yet and I guess related to that have you ever seen just as we're trying to confidence around the projected conversion dates or anything, have you had any customers who had conversion dates who were then - who then dropped out of the program.

Daniel Murphy

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Just on our last one, Glenn what you mean dropped out meaning?

Glenn Mattson

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

I mean they had a conversion day, they told you we want to get up and live by September of '16 but then all of a sudden they got plugged away by a competitor.

Daniel Murphy

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

We can't talk about anything being plugged away by a competitor. We are constantly monitoring our customers and all our competitors. They know that we're going through this transition. And they know that we’re upgrading our customers to a significantly better platform then they have and some of are out there taking advantage of it and trying their best to take advantage of it. And again that’s why from a customer renewal rate we made certain assumptions, and that’s one of the latest that we talked about is always an opportunity for a customer to pick up their headwind where going through migration and another reason we’re trying to – to do this as quickly as possibly can, to not leave ourselves exposed.

Glenn Mattson

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Okay, thanks.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I will turn the call back over to the presenters.

Robert LoCascio

Analyst

Thank you for joining our Q2 2016 call. And we'll see you on the next call. Thank you.

Daniel Murphy

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen for your time and participation. This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.