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Q2 2015 Earnings Call· Tue, Jul 21, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Comstock Mining’s Second Quarter 2015 Results and Business Update Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr. Corrado De Gasperis. Please go ahead, sir.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Thank you, Angel, and good morning, everyone. It’s Corrado, President and CEO of Comstock Mining and welcome to our 2015 second quarter update and conference call. I’ve got Judd Merrill, our CFO on the line today who together with the rest of our operating team continues to lead our streamlining and cost reducing efforts. We announced today that we raised our target for year-on-year savings up to $10 million from the previous target of $6.5 million. We will provide a brief summary of the information included in our 10-Q and our press release filed this morning and then take questions afterwards. We’re also making every effort to keep the call to an hour including questions, so if you’re question does not somehow clear the queue, we will be available post call to ensure that all questions are answered directly. If you don’t have a copy of today’s release, you’ll find a copy on our Web site at www.comstockmining.com under news/press-releases. And please also let me remind you that in addition to the outlook, we’ll make forward-looking statements today on this call. Any statement relating to matters that are non-historical facts may constitute forward-looking statements. The statements are based on current expectations and are subject to the same risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in the reports filed by the company with the SEC and in this morning's release, and all the forward-looking statements made during this call are subject to those same and other risks that we can’t necessarily identify. All right, let me move into the overview of some of our second quarter and year-to-date highlights including the status of our Lucerne and Dayton developments and our outlook. Throughout 2015 and the second quarter in particular, efficiencies in…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Your first question will come from the line of Marco Rodriguez of Stonegate Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst

Good morning, Corrado. Thanks for taking my questions here.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Good morning, Marco. Thank you.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst

I was wondering if maybe you could spend a little bit more time and perhaps a little more color on the expense reductions that you’ve outlined for this year, perhaps if you can maybe rank them kind of in order as far as magnitude and the impact to your P&L? And then also you mentioned something in your prepared remarks about a more flexible labor force. If you can kind of go into what that kind of means, any kind of color there would be very helpful.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, I’d love to do that. Thank you for asking the questions. So in terms of the specific reductions, let me start with there’s really two categories, I would say, that are significant. The first I would say, I would start with is labor. So during the fourth quarter of last year, we finally started to see improvements in the strip ratio, 2014 – end of '13 and maybe the first two and a half quarters of '14 really had a tough strip ratio in front of us. But we had recalibrated the mine plan. We were starting to see sequential progress every week, every month as we progressed. And that really came to full meaningful fruition in the fourth quarter of last year, which allowed us to re-plan, reorganize and downsize our mining operations because frankly we had a lot less waste than we were anticipating to be moving. The second part of that recalibration of the mine plan, which also affected labor was that our variation to the plan dropped significantly and by having much more predictability in that plan, let’s say much more reliability in that plan, we were also able to streamline the downstream processes, the crushing activities related to mine planning activities came down dramatically. So I would say by far the single largest reduction we had experienced would come from the sum of those activities and I can quantify it for you pretty well across all of the mining areas. We spent 2.5 million first half the last year in labor for mining, crushing and processing and mine support. We probably spent about 1.9 million this year. When you move over into the variable costs, we have reductions across the board. Similarly related to the improved mine planning and strip ratio, we saw almost…

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst

Got you. That was very helpful. And then in terms of these efforts that you’re making here on the cross training and the flexibility in your workforce and bringing the cost down, I was trying to get a sense as we move into fiscal '16, I mean do you think that the heavy lifting has all kind of being done and then going forward if there are cost reductions, it might be just on the minor side, if you will?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

I think that delivering the full 10 million will represent a substantial majority, I want to say 80%, 85% of what we’re trying to accomplish. I do think that 10% to 15% more is incremental but still meaningful to us. And then of course we’ll be accessing the different aspect of costs associated with the underground mining. One important point is that the ore bodies that we’re looking at in Lucerne, both the PQ and Woodville, are the same length types, the same metallurgies of the materials that we’ve been processing so far, much higher grade of course. So ultimately as we advance into those developments, we don’t foresee any meaningful changes to the downstream processes. We’ll be able to reach those materials to the extent we establish those mine plans.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst

Got you. And last quick question here, Corrado, on the production side, first half year of '15 you’re running at about 21.5 million annualized run rate. Is that a fair level to be modeling for the remainder of the fiscal year?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, we will be keeping our production levels at this level. There is no drive for us to accelerate – accelerating them. We’re certainly accelerating a whole host of these activities around extracting the materials around the road. It’s one of our primary objectives to try to get all of them done by December to pave the way for these developments that we’re establishing underground. But there’s no benefit to us, there’s no sort of higher profitability scenario to ramp up. So in our view it’s about a lower cost in stability throughout this first phase and then transition into our next phase of development.

Marco Rodriguez

Analyst

Got you. Thanks a lot, Corrado.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Thank you, Marco.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from the line of Zach Zolnierz of Solus. Please go ahead.

Zach Zolnierz

Analyst

Hi, Corrado. Can you hear me?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Hi, Zach. How are you? Yes.

Zach Zolnierz

Analyst

Good.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Good.

Zach Zolnierz

Analyst

A couple of questions. The first, I just want to touch on this, the lease that you entered into, into the quarter, it looks like it was about 5 million. Just wondering if you could give us more color as to what the proceeds are being used for, what the security is there? It sounds like the repayment has come up.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, so for most intents and purposes we’re a little opportunistic with this. It was a lower cost and longer length equipment financing that the equipment is simply the crushing in [indiscernible] facilities. The rest of our equipment is primarily the mobile fleet with Caterpillar. And from our view it’s somewhat of a transition from the [indiscernible] revolving facility, which is a higher cost shorter length facility. So although there’s some overlap in that transition, we sort of see it in that regard. And considering the road activity and the transitional development activities, we thought it was prudent to do it sooner rather than later. But ultimately we see it sort of planting the prior facility.

Zach Zolnierz

Analyst

Yes, I think there was some language regarding like the accounting treatment where it’s not really a sale leaseback, it’s financing. And I guess you confirm rights being secured by equipment that you already own. So I’m just trying to understand it’s not really a capital lease rights, it’s a secured financing and I’m just wondering is that permitted under the preferreds?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, it’s a good question. We saw it purely as a rolling of equipment financing. We saw it as permitted under the preferred and we also got some consent and approvals for doing that from our largest preferred holder just to be safe. But I think it looks very good rollover financing for us. It sort of moves us out of sort of the short-term, more backend with the revolver and moves us into a more stable. And frankly we’ve been trying for probably three years to find a reliable equipment financing partner and really feel like we’ve done that in this case. So it works out to be well on all fronts.

Zach Zolnierz

Analyst

Got it. And you didn’t mention the reserves, was that part of their security there now?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

No.

Zach Zolnierz

Analyst

Is this just like the --?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Absolutely.

Zach Zolnierz

Analyst

Got it. Just the second question, I apologize, I missed this earlier but can you just remind us for the back half of the year what the key outflow items are, like interest, debt principal repayments and what you expect to spend on CapEx for the back half?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, so the main capital requirements is just the completion of that road. It’s about $2 million. The development of the Lucerne underground is about $2.8 million. I believe we disclosed it at just under $3 million. And then the debt repayment, I think it’s about 4.7 but if you just give me a second, I’ll just check that number.

Zach Zolnierz

Analyst

Yes, I think the current liabilities like little over 9, so maybe that’s split between second half and first half.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, that’s right.

Zach Zolnierz

Analyst

Got it. All right, that’s helpful. I appreciate it.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, Zach, and I’m just checking that number but I think it’s just under that number that I mentioned.

Zach Zolnierz

Analyst

Okay.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of John LeStarge [ph]. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hello.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Hi, there. Can you hear me okay?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes, I can hear you guys fine. Thank you. My question for you is who actually buys the gold you guys mine?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Say that again, I’m sorry.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Who actually buys the gold that you guys mine?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

So all of our gold and silver in the form of dore bars is shipped to one of three refineries, but we use a broker to sell all of the – to sell through all of that gold and that broker is [indiscernible], which is a gold and silver brokerage trading company based out of New Jersey.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

[Technical Difficulty]

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

I’m sorry, you were breaking up. Could you repeat that?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Have you had any Chinese investors come out and visit the mine?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Not physically, no. We’ve been getting much more interest from really across the world, from Canada to Europe, I’d say Asia but we haven’t had any Chinese visitors specifically to the mine, no.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. My final question is [Technical Difficulty] I don’t see pictures of the gold and silver, I think a few comments called before, you said you’d post some on there.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, we’re happy to. I think there are some of our refining process that we’re happy to make those more prominent for folks if you’d like.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes, please do so because I got people who are willing to invest and they’d like to see the physical work too.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, absolutely. Just on that – go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I’m sorry, I just wanted to thank you guys for your work and dedication as we live in crazy economic times, and who knows what the price of gold is going to be in a year or two from now, so I think you’re doing everything correct.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

I appreciate it very much. Thank you. Just on the last question by Zach, I was saying just under 5 million. It’s actually 5.5 million and that includes about 2.5 million associated with the buyers of our interest to [ph] debt repayment, so I apologize for taking a minute to get that number pulled up.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from the line of James Dale [ph]. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, Corrado. How is it going?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Good, James. How are you?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

All right. Hey listen, it’s been a while since we’ve seen an updated reserves report. You’ve developed these – the PQ zone and opened up the Woodville Bonanza some more and you’re going [Technical Difficulty] things that you hadn’t reported on before in your reserves report. Can we expect to see one soon?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, so specifically those geological developments, those internal cross-sections, level plans, all the things we’ve been talking about contribute significantly to the technical report. I’m sure there will be incorporated throughout and our view is that soon as we’re able and you can boil it down to three specific drill phases; drilling out the PQ, drilling out the Woodville, drilling out the Dayton, we expect each one of those to result in mine life. Obviously, we have to get the drilling done and completed but if it comes out as expected, then we’ll have reserves following each one of those programs. I think that’s the most important point. I appreciate the question. I think as we go along we’ll also be publishing much more frequently as we’re finally getting into the groove here with the final drill programs, the results of those drills and those results in real time. So if we’re able to do that better because we already have the context developed as we’re filling in the blanks with these drill programs and more in-fielding it [ph], you have to wait to pull that context together after the results. In our case, the drill results can come out almost as quickly as we’re getting them. So I would expect a lot of information flow between now and the end of the year and between end of the year and the first quarter.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Another question, have you found any evidence of the Comstock [indiscernible] in the PQ zone?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Not necessarily. That surface is tinting [ph] per se but the PQ zone has a tremendous amount of visible mineralization; the quartz porphyry, the manganese, I mean it’s colorful, it’s evident but certainly not those concentrations that they had up to the north. Having said that, 1.5 to 2 ounces of silver per ton is outstanding and we’ve had its as high as 5 ounces of silver per ton. So we’re excited about what we’re getting ourselves into here.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

But basically you still haven’t found any of these so called pure silver veins yet?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

No. Having said that though in the initial drill phase of the Dayton when we went to depths greater than 700 feet and then in the subsequent eastside drillings where we went to depths greater than 900 feet, we were hitting silver-only deposits that are intriguing to us because almost the entirety of our resource is gold and silver. And so hitting some of those deeper silver-only deposits is truly reminiscent of those old Comstock days. But the data is still very, very nascent. We have more drilling and depth to do and that certainly won’t be part of these next two drill phases, although it could be part of the Dayton as we look to drill deeper into that structure.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Thanks a lot. Keep up the good work.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Thanks, James.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from the line of Carl Frankson [ph]. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, Corrado.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Hi, Carl. Good to hear from you.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi. Unfortunately in this issue, the largest variable is something we have no control over which is the price of gold having hit a four-year low I believe yesterday. Excuse me if I’ve missed this but what are the cost per ounce of the various projects that you have going? And I’m not a doomsday person but I mean [Multiple Speakers] planned for $1,000 gold or $900 gold? I’m sure everybody that’s on the call wouldn’t be here if gold was not a good value or good investment. So we’re hoping for higher prices but what are the contingencies for lower prices?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, so very good question. So really in this quarter we achieved somewhat of a breakthrough in terms of our cost performance. We were expecting it this quarter and then extending it even further into the third quarter. We got much more of it done for this quarter, which was somewhat gratifying. So the cost that we had articulated in terms of cash cost of mining was about $615 an ounce. That doesn’t include the G&A and other non-mining costs but we’re really on the verge of getting the whole thing. It’s not already there, below 1,000 and really from our perspective it’s the best way to control what’s happening with the gold price in the market. And I wouldn’t discount what Marco was asking about and what I was talking to Marco about, which is a) there is still more to go and we will continue to reduce it, but also building in that flexibility. We didn’t say it so explicitly but part of that flexibility is not just having your fixed cost component be able to do more than one thing and in effect reducing that fixed cost and making it more flexible. But another part of that is shifting a significantly more amount to variable costs. So in other words you could be in a scenario where you have the same or lower costs but a much bigger percentage of those dollars are variable. And that means that – and American Mining & Tunneling is really enhancing our ability to do that to the extent that they have dozens of data based projects to the extent that a big hub of their human capital is in Reno, we have the ability to be much, much more flexible. Saying it bluntly, you can turn certain things on and off much quicker when you build your system that way and really that’s what we’re trying to do. I think that from a risk perspective, it has to be the lowest costs but it also has to be much, much more flexible, which we define in a couple of ways but being variable is a big one.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thanks. Let’s hope for a higher price. That would help all of us.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, it surely would.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Thank you, Carl.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Your next question will come from the line of Harvey Moorcroft [ph] from a credit investment. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, Corrado.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Hi, Harvey. How are you?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good. Nice seeing you at the annual meeting. You presented an overview of that electronic or V10 [ph], I’m not sure what the proper terminology is. Do you have any additional information that came from that presentation?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Do you mean in terms of – you’re referring to the gold industry or you’re referring to the underground structures?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

You had that presentation where some company did a free flyover or electronic magnet --

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, yes, yes.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Do you have anything [Multiple Speakers]?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, we do have that. So we did some – we’ve done tremendous amount of work in the Dayton. We did a bunch of geophysical magnetic scanning. We’ve done obviously a bunch of surface mapping and now we’re doing some added sampling. But what you’re referring to is we do some induced polarized sort of electrode poll thing that gave us a tremendous amount of correlative data, which told us and what is very outstanding about our situation is that we have no mineralized structures. But what we did was we allowed them to give these electrode poll things sort of analyses over both north and south aspects of the area, and then we were able to correlate those to where there was known mineralization where there is known structural extension and compare where the density of the readings are correlated to the density of our maps. And then by seeing that strong correlation, we were able to extrapolate it to areas where we don’t have data but it was showing the same kind of density. So that information can be published. It hasn’t been broadly published yet in part because our job [indiscernible] some amount of interpretation, but we really leveraged it to further refine our program. It’s actually allowed us to – I wouldn’t say it’s eliminated a lot of drilled holes, it actually allowed us to modify some but it’s also added a few where we didn’t have a notion of drilling there. So I think the net effect of all of those types was analyses to enhance both the efficiency and ultimately more importantly the effectiveness of those drill programs. But we can certainly take some of that condensed material and also incorporate it into our Web site and into our presentation.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Have they increased the validated resource number?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

It will ultimately increase our ability to validate the resource, it won’t on its own but when the third parties come in to check all of our data, that data will absolutely be part of the correlation. Ultimately most substance [indiscernible], it’s the geological structural control, the level planned in cross sections that we have developed and the drill data on top of that.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

How about any – has the Board talked at all about doing a stock buyback especially at these numbers, the prices where we’re at?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

We’ve really been focusing the capital deployments to these next few immediate development projects. They are in our opinion will represent by far I think the highest return on any capital. And then once those play out to fruition, we get our reports updated, we continue forward, then we can evaluate other opportunities.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Last question is what’s our current amount of common stock and has any of the preferred convertible being converted yet?

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

So we had no conversions of preferred in the first quarter. To be honest I don’t know that we’ve had hardly any in the full first half of the year. We’ve got about 85 million common shares that are outstanding in terms of the actual common shares outstanding trading. Those averaged about 82 million as far as their earnings per share calculation for the second quarter. The underlying shares to the preferred stock is about 53 million, so that 85 million you would have 53 million underlying of the convertible preferred to get to a total of about 138 million. That’s the full – as converted fully diluted number.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much, Corrado. I appreciate it.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Thank you, sir.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from the line of Dawson Anderson of Clearlake Collectables [ph]. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So I was – he answered or you answered part of the question for me. I was just concerned with the process, staff and everything you guys are doing right, it doesn’t make much sense to me. I wish you could comment on it.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Yes, I think that well for certain we’re not alone in terms of what’s happening overall in the market for gold. Certainly, that’s not the answer by itself. I just acknowledge that the gold equity has been under tremendous pressure it feels like for three years, and it’s been more than frustrating. I think the Board is frustrated, I’m beyond frustrated. And just from a pure market perspective, I have been active in terms of targeting new investors. I’ve been active in terms of getting the message out across the country, frankly. We are getting invitations – more invitations even to come to Canada and to come to Europe much more than we’ve had in the past. It is a tough market. There is negative overall sentiment in the sector but I feel we’re getting a pretty good reception. It takes some time to get the story out broader and in fairness it feels like we really have stepped that up just in the last six months. So I believe that is coming to fruition although certainly it hasn’t been able to mitigate the overall market. I also believe that when we finish drilling out the PQ, when we finish drilling out the Woodville and when we drill out the Dayton, three programs that are immediately in front of us, one being completed in early December, one being completed in March and hopefully one being completed reasonably soon thereafter that those results, those published reserves, those extended mine lives is one piece that I think will help a lot of investors pay attention to the company. And so we don’t need that without question in terms of bringing new investors, especially at these levels. We’re getting a lot of interest. I do feel like we’re feeling the bottom. In terms of gold, it’s impossible to call, but from our perspective if we stay ahead of the market in terms of cost reductions, if we stay stable and flexible, we’ll persevere with whatever this bottom looks like, whatever this bottom ends up being in terms of experience, we’ll persevere through it. And then I think we’ll be positioned incredibly well by late this year early next year, I think we will be positioned incredibly well regardless of what the market does. But if the market turns up then I think we can have some pretty powerful dynamics. I mean that’s really why we’ve got our head down and focused on. The good thing is that we’re very focused on what’s in front of us today in terms of positioning the portal, building the infrastructure, mining the material and every day we make progress. So I feel like that will be our formula for success.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So your recommendation is patience then.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Patience, it feels like the gold bottom is accelerating, it feels like we’re moving towards it faster. I’ve said quite a few times in the last six months if we get to test 1100 or if we get to test for 1000, let’s just get it over with. So I think that’s happening. I really do think that’s happening and what you’re seeing in terms of some of the market reaction seems to be consistent with that. So I think the good news is we’re stable regardless and we’re working even harder to be stable in all circumstances. So we’ll be one that perseveres through. I think that the long-term thesis for gold has not changed an iota. If anything, it’s gotten better. When you look at the – I mean literally wholesale quantitative easing happening across the world, you would never see anything like the Europeans quantitative easing, the Japanese quantitative easing, the Chinese easing. I mean U.S. at the moment is the only government that’s not easing yet it’s still burning a deficit, right. So in reality it’s still devaluing it’s currency, it’s just stronger than everybody else. So from our perspective the fundamentals haven’t changed at all. We’re very bullish on gold in the long term. I think we understand the U.S. dollar strengthening relative to everybody else. I think we understand everyone’s obsession with the fed raising interest rates and I have the same reaction to that, let’s get it over with. I think once – if the fed actually can in its right mind raise interest rates once it’s behind us, it will be good for gold. So that’s counterintuitive but I think it’s what’s going to happen. So it’s just hard to argue the fundamentals. And if the world is set to engage in currency wars and see who can devalue their currency better or faster, I’m just not sure how it doesn’t end badly for the currency and end well for gold.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes. Well, I appreciate your answer. Keep up the good work.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

Thank you, sir. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, the time allotted for questions and answers has come to a close. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. De Gasperis for closing remarks.

Corrado De Gasperis

Analyst

I’d just like to thank everybody for their interest on the call and I’d just like to highlight that there will be quite a bit of information, the ramp up of these developments is happening quite quickly. And so we’ll be very communicative as we get these results as we go forward, and we look forward to talking to you all again soon.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your line and have a great day.