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Operator
Operator
Good day ladies and gentlemen and welcome to -- pardon me. Thanks for calling ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Q1 2018 Live Oak Bancshares Inc. Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we'll conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I'd now like to introduce your host for today's conference Mr. Greg Seward, General Counsel of Live Oak Bancshares. Sir, you may begin.
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Greg Seward
Analyst
Thank you and good morning everyone. Welcome to Live Oak's first quarter 2018 earnings conference call. We are webcasting live over the Internet and this call is being recorded. To access the call over the Internet and to review the presentation materials and commentary that we will reference on the call, please visit our website at investor.liveoakbank.com, and go to today's call on our Event Calendar for supporting materials. Our first quarter earnings release is also available on our website. Before we get started, I would like to caution you that we may make forward-looking statements during today's call that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations are detailed in the materials accompanying this call and our SEC filings. We do not undertake to update the forward-looking statements to reflect the impact of circumstances or events that may arise after the date of today's call. Information about any non-GAAP financial measures referenced, including reconciliation of those measures to GAAP measures, can also be found in our SEC filings. I will now turn the call over to Chip Mahan, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer.
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James Mahan
Analyst
Thanks Greg and good morning all. I'm going to talk about for a few minutes the future of our platform, a few industry observations, and then going to turn it over to Neil Underwood to discuss next generation technologies, and Scott Custer will take us home and talk about our wonderfully profitable bank. First of all, let me unpack the first slide, scalable business model that we show every time. And before we do that, a comment on where we are in this cycle. I think this is La La Land, we see banks throwing money at small businesses. Everybody is in the SBA lending business. I was speaking with the Head of our Trade Association yesterday and we started this business, the annual conference, had about 400 attendees. This year's conference may have 1,200 attendees. So, everybody is out there and so specifically, we saw a few weeks ago, a money-center bank, veterinary loan, 100% financing, 20-year loan in the mid-fours. Regional bank done deal, 100% financing, 25-year and 15-year balloon in the low fives, ladies and gentlemen, we are not in that business. We will never be in that business. Okay so what is the plan for success? More verticals? Yes. If you look in this slide and 3.0, you see in the last 15 or 16 months, we've added six new verticals under Jason Lumpkin's leadership. Last time we talked about an R&D project. So, is it possible to address the 4,800 SBA lenders affectionately called by our industry BDOs, Business Development Officers, which I personally can't stand? So, can we hire folks that are incredibly experienced, that understand both safety and soundness and the rules of the SBA 7(a) program and become a big part of our culture not commission sales folks, but understand taking care…
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Neil Underwood
Analyst
So, point of clarification, I'm actually not writing the code myself. We have a fantastic team that's doing it. Thanks Jeff. Turning on to the next slide, you're going to hear a term out there by the name of cloud native or server lists, or born in the cloud. And it's a new highly scalable way to deploy code. I think we're at another inflection point when it comes to cloud computing. And when you look at total cost of ownership of a financial institution and certainly ours who have to operate digitally, this must be considered. The old way of starting a data center, you had to consider peak loads and have tons of excess capacity. You then had to double everything in considerations for business continuity and fault tolerance. This architecture just allows us to pay for what we use, kind of like cell phone minutes and allows us to scale at massive levels. And you get that Amazon is right at the center. Moving on to the next slide. This slide demonstrates Live Oak Bank's digital deployment plan, all cloud native. You can see these companies, by the way, many of which were inspired and incubated by Live Oak Bank and/or Live Oak Ventures to solve the problem. It's a busy year at Live Oak Bank relative to these platforms. While nCino and Apiture are been deployed for some time and are driving massive efficiencies, we were really busy deploying Finxact, which is a next-gen core-as-a-service on top of AWS and Payrailz, which is a payments platform also on top of AWS. We intend to have these projects live by year end and should be seeing some of these efficiencies in 2019. I love this next slide because it demonstrates the power of the platform and how…
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Scott Custer
Analyst
Thanks Neil. And before you move on and pass that slide 11, the power of the platform, just one final comment on it. For a traditional banker like me those are really almost staggering numbers in terms of deposit growth, new deposit, new deposit account acquisition in a quarter and maybe that number there doesn't get as much airtime as in the middle of the page and that's the 78% renewal rate in our CD book. And you say okay, we're an online digital bank, we're just growing that with price and we're just out there top of the market. But we're also keeping and retaining almost 80% of our of our CD book which is an amazingly good percentage if you were in a traditional branch bank and customers were walking in and talking to somebody across the desk. So, I think we are cracking the code on not only efficiently growing deposits, but delivering a level of customer service through that channel that really has not been seen before and to me, that's -- as the slide says, that's the power of the platform. Now, moving onto the bank and how it performed in the quarter and maybe in one simple sentence -- I've got three slides to cover, but in one simple sentence is the power of the business model, the momentum in the company continues. The trajectory of our earnings and the earnings power of the company is reflected here on slide 12. I would call your attention to three key metrics that I believe are important. First top middle 45% growth in net interest income. I'll touch on that in a moment, but that is the ability of the company to retain more on balance sheet to create a more stable source of revenue. And…
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James Mahan
Analyst
Thanks Cuss. And certainly open to any questions on the line.
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Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Aaron Deer with Sandler O'Neill. Your line is now open.
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Aaron Deer
Analyst
Hi good morning everyone.
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James Mahan
Analyst
Good morning Aaron.
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Aaron Deer
Analyst
Chip the loan origination numbers were down in the quarter, but based on the slide deck here, it looks like the first few weeks of this quarter anyway have been very strong. As you're looking at the pipeline and out through the year, it sounded like maybe you intimated that you expect to do about $2 billion in originations for the year, is that -- does that sound right?
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James Mahan
Analyst
Yes, I mean I think it's plus or minus 5% or 10% on that. Cuss, you might have a comment on that. You're a bit closer than I.
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Scott Custer
Analyst
Yes, Aaron I'd say your point is well taken. We obviously know where production was for the quarter, it wasn't exactly where we wanted it. I can draw you six pictures on the scorecard as to why. But the important thing is that we're making all the sort of the mid round adjustments here that we need to make. The SBA SOP changes have affected the business, there's no doubt. Chip referenced some of the crazy competition that's making a difference no doubt. But when you take a look at the new verticals that we launched, where we just brought in new bankers that are bringing pipelines of business. When you look at the current pipelines, I feel very good about the -- about this quarter, about the rest of the year. And look $3 billion plus bank, as Chip said, doing $2 billion worth of originations in a year that is exceptional. And we're going to hold to our standards both with respect to pricing, with respect to discipline around the tight business we go after and more importantly, the discipline around credit quality.
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Aaron Deer
Analyst
Okay, that's helpful. And then based on the kind of that production outlook and what's funding up in the book as well. And then how you want to retain versus sell, is it your thinking at this point that you'll probably sell something similar to the levels that you did in the first quarter as you look out through the year, so $250 million a quarter is that kind of a reasonable run rate on those sales?
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James Mahan
Analyst
Brett, help us out.
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Brett Caines
Analyst
Yes. I would say I guess as you're thinking about your modeling, we'll continue to target as we've said we'll continue to target holding roughly 25% of what becomes available. That will ebb and flow on a snapshot basis of a quarter just based on timing of closing and timing of lend sales. But going forward, the volume we sold in Q1, I would say you probably won't see much growth over that volume throughout the year. I'd say it would bounce around that amount rather than forecasting any substantial increase in that sold volume.
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Aaron Deer
Analyst
Okay. And then maybe one for Neil with Finxact set to come online at year end and some of the cost saves that you -- if there's a correlation between any sort of cost saves that you've eliminated with the First Data data center what kind of cost saves might we expect as you shift over the core system to Finxact's as we go into 2019?
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Neil Underwood
Analyst
I think it's a great question. A couple of points. One as you know, the Apiture dev team, we're still supporting. So, when you think about that cost going away from 2019, there's one bucket. The truth is I don't know the answer to the Finxact question. But my sense is it will probably follow the experience that Chip mentioned and possibly be 10% to 20% of what we're paying for today. That said we are replacing a core system. So, I want to tamper, I added 90 days of contingency and we're trying to get friends and family Q3, but it is a new core and there are new things. So, I don't know how much that model cost takeout relative to the core in 2019. I would draw your attention though as you calculate cost to funds and efficiencies to the power, even the current platform that's in place. The fact that we were able to put on a $1.3 billion with the six FTE and I think we'll continue to see that trend more favorably over time.
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Aaron Deer
Analyst
Okay. And then I guess related to that is -- where are the incremental deposit costs coming on at this point and how are you guys thinking about the funding that you've built, how is that going to be -- I mean can you kind of throttle back on what you've done in terms of the deposit pricing? Will you look to deploy liquidity such that we should see some pretty strong margin expansion here over the next couple of quarters?
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Neil Underwood
Analyst
Well, I'll defer -- I'll make a comment and then defer to Brett. I think NIM compression happened as a result of our increased liquidity. We don't see that continuing to go up and as was identified in the award that we received we don't have to pay top of market given the way the solution is being received. So, my sense is that NIM compression that you saw was a more like a Q1 type situation and I'll turn it over to Brett to add color.
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Brett Caines
Analyst
Yes, maybe what I would add to that is as you're thinking about deposit rates, its -- I think that the environment we're in, it's a bit hard to forecast what those rates are going to do. It’s a very competitive environment currently for deposits. You can see online where our rates are relative to other folks and that's something that you can track in real-time throughout the quarter or even see where we've been over the past quarter. Related to net interest margin, I would echo what Neil said the compression we saw from the end of Q4 through the end of Q1 was largely driven by the increase in liquidity. We felt like it was a smart and prudent time to strengthen our liquidity profile. We do plan to maintain a strong liquidity profile going forward, but we don't have I guess sort of maintain mode then strengthening mode, now it's just maintain that strength.
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Aaron Deer
Analyst
Okay, terrific. Thank you for taking my questions.
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James Mahan
Analyst
Thanks Aaron.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. And our next question comes from Jennifer Demba with SunTrust. Your line is now open.
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Unidentified Analyst
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
Hey guys, it's actually Steve on for Jenny. First question here kind of just piggybacking on that last question here. Can you go through what made you guys so successful in generating deposits; was it just the online bank? I know there were some other initiatives you guys have been talking about to generate some of these deposits from your loan customers. What's the status on those?
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Neil Underwood
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
Yes, I would say specifically the online bank those numbers, the $515 million were specifically tied to online CD originations and online savings originations. So, right now we're looking to continue to build out the platform and have alternative sources like non-interest-bearing checking. But given the move to Finxact and Payrailz, don't feel it's crude to do that given the conversions we acquired if we were to put it on the core platform. So, we're going to continue to diversify the products that are on top of the new cloud native platforms that I was referring to earlier. So, this is a guess and only a guess. But that thing that you mentioned that came out last night at Bankrate.com that we're really the best of the best. I would assume that there are chat boards out there, these people that are shopping rates and online banks probably know that and talk to each other. That's probably helpful as well.
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James Mahan
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
The banks that are on Bankrate and certainly looked at this kind of thing are Goldman Sachs, [Markus], [Indiscernible] Synchrony, all the usual suspects that are there and the [Indiscernible] pretty proud that our team was able to put something together to make that much of a difference. I don't think it's going to be something where we don't have to be at the top, but we are going to still pay up as compared to non-interest-bearing account. So, that's why we're aggressively seeking completion of the cloud-based platform so we can offer non-interest-bearing checking accounts both to our customers, but also as I mentioned in the last earnings call to other e-commerce partners out there driving deposits as scale.
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Unidentified Analyst
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
Okay. So, we should expect I guess that non-interest checking account sometime next year, right?
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James Mahan
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
Yes, I think that's right, because we do want to put it on -- the alternative would be insert core here putting it on their payment platform like a CheckFree, on pay or their antiquated core and then we'd have a conversion right thereafter. And so we're going to keep writing this engine, keep investing in this engine until those other back office systems are there upon which point we'll launch additional products.
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Unidentified Analyst
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
Okay. I guess other question also following up on what we just heard is -- so with just this online kind of deposit gathering and you guys winning these Bankrate Awards, it seems like you're pretty desirable as a place to go. How do you stop people I guess keep the liquidity kind of in line with loan growth?
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James Mahan
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
Yes, you want to take that one Scott?
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Scott Custer
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
Well, I think you just -- it's like anything else. I mean you have two minds, it's a bit of a high class problem and you can manage it with rates, you can manage it with how you market the product. And so if we believe we're getting too much and we can just -- as Brett said, it becomes more of a maintained strategy than a grow. And then -- at this point though, we're still a loan origination machine and being able to fund ourselves with very reliable sources of funds is a good thing and I think we're proving we can do that.
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James Mahan
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
Yes. The thing I'd add to that Scott us as rates go up, which they will, we don't have to be that sensitive. But at some point there are going to be those that care just about the rate. So, we could -- very manageable deposits to tell you it's a very manageable situation. We're going to pay up now, but at some point -- so we just throttle back right by not modifying the rates.
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Unidentified Analyst
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
Okay. I guess this is more for Chip, can we talk about Live Oak Ventures, are you guys kind of looking to actively expand that portfolio? Kind of any other FinTech, either partnerships or acquisitions you would be looking at?
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James Mahan
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
Yes, but I can't go into further detail.
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Neil Underwood
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
The only thing I -- I'm not going to say anything, don't worry me. But the only thing that I would add is we've been consistent in talking on earnings calls about Live Oak Ventures being very small investments in technology companies. So, as not to use our beautiful Tier 1 capital that will fuel organic growth. And so I just want to remind you that these are minor investments up to this point.
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Unidentified Analyst
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
Okay. So, should we think more partnerships than kind of full out acquisitions or?
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Neil Underwood
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
Not acquisitions, but we'll continue to do what we've done in the past, make small bets. We always talked about the unbelievable nature of Amazon Web Services and the cost and how the software developers who love to develop on that platform and the feature functionality and we'll make small bets the folks have done for.
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Unidentified Analyst
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
Okay. And then just kind of the final one, looking at kind of some of the verticals you guys are in now, where do you think kind of what innings are we in? I mean it's kind of Live Oak 1.0 kind of just static now, we're kind of there at just maintaining that kind of growing 2, 3, 4.
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James Mahan
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
Well, I'll start and Cuss can clean up here. But right so; there are 1,100 industries that the SBA allows you to lend to. And we're in 20-ish, right. There are 4,800 SBA lenders and case hired three with 12 in the pipe. I think it's like 1.1 maybe I mean maybe second pitch first inning. I mean if I were you, I'd say like why are you only in 20. I mean that's the United States of America 50 states three times [Indiscernible] why can't you get to 200. Scott?
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Scott Custer
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
Four times, [Indiscernible]. I couldn't add anything to that. You're right. It's a -- we're very -- even though Live Oak has been at it 10 days, and many ways this is very early days in terms of what this business can be. And I'm encouraged by the comment I made in the fact that it's not just about verticals that lend themselves to SBA, that's always going to be a core strategy. But 70% -- less than 70% of our origination now is SBA 7(a). We're getting 32% of our business from non-SBA type business and I think you'll continue to see that grow.
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Unidentified Analyst
Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.
Perfect. Thanks guys.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. And I see no further questions in the queue at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Chip Mahan, CEO for any closing remarks.
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James Mahan
Analyst
No closing remarks. See you next quarter, folks. Thanks for dialing in.
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Operator
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you dialing in. This does conclude your program. You may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.