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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Leggett & Platt Fourth Quarter 2011 Earnings. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, David DeSonier, Senior Vice President, Strategy and Investor Relations for Leggett & Platt. Thank you, Mr. DeSonier, you may begin.

David M. DeSonier

Analyst

Good morning, and thank you for taking part in Leggett & Platt's Fourth Quarter Conference Call. I'm Dave DeSonier. And with me today are the following: Dave Haffner, our CEO and President; Karl Glassman, our Chief Operating Officer; Matt Flanagan, our CFO; and Susan McCoy, our Staff VP of Investor Relations. The agenda for the call this morning is as follows. Dave Haffner will start with a summary of the major statements we made in yesterday's press release. Karl will provide operating highlights. Dave will then address our outlook for 2012. And finally, the group will answer any questions you have. This conference is being recorded for Leggett & Platt and is copyrighted material. This call may not be transcribed, recorded or broadcast without our expressed permission. A replay is available from the IR portion of Leggett's website. We posted to the IR portion of the website a set of PowerPoint slides that contain summary financial information. Those slides supplement the information we discuss on this call, including non-GAAP reconciliations. I need to remind you that remarks today concerning future expectations, events, objectives, strategies, trends or results constitute forward-looking statements. Actual results or events may differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties, and the company undertakes no obligation to update or revise these statements. For a summary of these risk factors and additional information, please refer to yesterday's press release and the section in our 10-K entitled Forward-Looking Statements. I'll now turn the call over to Dave Haffner.

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Raymond James

Good morning, and thank you for participating in our call. Yesterday, we reported fourth quarter and full year 2011 earnings. For the quarter, earnings were $0.06 per share and included $0.16 per share of costs associated with the restructuring activities that we announced in late December. Earnings per share, excluding these costs, were $0.22 in the quarter. In the fourth quarter 2010, we earned $0.21 per share. Fourth quarter same location sales grew 6% versus the prior year largely from items that brought little incremental profit. Raw material-related price inflation and trade sales from our steel mill accounted for the bulk of the growth with unit volumes from our other businesses in total adding about 1% to sales. Earnings per share for the full year 2011 adjusted to exclude the fourth quarter restructuring related costs were $1.20 per share. In 2010, we earned $1.15 per share. The increase is primarily due to a lower share count, a lower effective tax rate and slightly higher sales partially offset by higher selling and administrative expense and other costs. Sales grew 8% in 2011 largely from inflation, currency rate changes and trade sales from our steel mill. Across the company as a whole, unit volume increased slightly. Demand improved in certain of our markets during 2011 with automotive and office furniture leading the way. In contrast, stagnant demand negatively impacted our major residential markets. Many consumers continued to postpone spending on larger ticket items such as bedding and furniture in the phase of ongoing weak economy. On the third quarter earnings call, we stated that our view of continuing demand weakness in certain of our markets and our plan to initiate actions that would yield improved ongoing profitability. In late December, we announced further restructuring which included the closure of 4 production facilities…

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · SunTrust

Thank you, Dave. Good morning. In my comments, I'll discuss a few segment highlights. You will find segment details in yesterday's press release and in the slide presentation on our website. Fourth quarter sales in the Residential Furnishings segment increased 6% primarily from raw material-related price inflation. Unit volumes were up slightly. In our U.S. Spring business, innerspring unit volumes increased 4% and boxspring units increased 2% during the fourth quarter. The positive innerspring data primarily reflects our recovery of market share in 2011 that was temporarily lost to a European supplier in the back half of 2010. For the full year 2011, both innerspring and boxspring units were essentially flat. In our Furniture Hardware business, fourth quarter unit volume decreased 3% versus the prior year. While units were still negative in the quarter, the market has stabilized since mid-year and was showing some improved strength as the year came to a close. For the full year 2011, units were down 6%. Again this quarter, we had significant growth in adjustable beds with unit shipments up 35%. With our other major residential businesses flat or down in unit volume for the full year, this business was the bright spot in this segment. For the full year 2011, adjustable beds units grew 44%. EBIT and EBIT margins in the Residential Furnishings segment decreased versus the fourth quarter of 2010. The earnings benefit from slightly higher unit volumes was more than offset by higher restructuring-related costs. Of the 4 additional plant closures that we mentioned in the restructuring announcement in late December, one was in the residential segment. This operation was a fabric coating business that was formerly part of our Fabric and Carpet Underlay Group. Earlier, restructuring activity in 2011 included a Canadian spring facility, which was converted from manufacturing to…

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Raymond James

Thank you, Karl. As we announced yesterday, our full year 2012 earnings guidance is $1.20 to $1.40 per share on sales of $3.6 billion to $3.8 billion. The earnings guidance assumes a $0.07 to $0.10 per share benefit from recent restructuring activities, but this will be partially offset by higher anticipated interest expense and effective tax rate. The full year revenue forecast assumes only modest improvement in the economy with no significant change from inflation, deflation or currency factors. We had to make some difficult and emotional decisions this past quarter. It is never easy to close facilities or reduce the number of employee partners, but it's a tough business environment and we've reacted accordingly. The changes we've made and the meaningful positive effects that they will have in our operations going forward are valuable to our entire shareholder base. We are leaner than we've been for many years and are in great shape to benefit from improved demand. With those comments, I'll now turn the call back over to Dave DeSonier.

David M. DeSonier

Analyst

That concludes our prepared remarks. We appreciate your attention, and we'll be glad to try to answer your questions. In order to allow everyone an opportunity to participate, we request that you ask your single best question and then voluntarily yield to the next participant. If you have additional questions, please reenter the queue and we'll try to answer all the questions that you have. Diego, we're ready to begin the Q&A.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Budd Bugatch with Raymond James. Budd Bugatch - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division: Just -- here is my question I guess. It goes to guidance, and maybe give us some color on guidance. And Dave, you did tantalize us a bit with 2013 talking about the automotive project and automotive projects. And I think in the announcement on Western Pneumatic, you talked about significant accretion after 2012 as you get through some of the purchase accounting issues. Can you give us kind of a goalpost of -- what are the goalposts of 2012 in terms of negative 1% plus 5% and the operating margins that happened? Why do you have a negative 1%? What has to happen there, what has to happen to get to plus 5% at the top line and then the bottom line? And then what does 2013 look like? You didn't put any numbers to that, at least I didn't see -- I didn't hear any. So give us a thought of -- do we get to our $2 roadmap in 2013?

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Raymond James

Yes, see if I can tackle that a piece at a time. First of all, the reason I commented on the automotive business, the gestation period -- I think you know this, but the time it takes from conception through development, through quotation and then landing the business is significant and then there's quite a period of time for tooling and ultimate utilization of the product, and those are reasonably meaningful capital expenditures for us. We're very pleased to do that because the return on that investment is outstanding. But we wanted to kind of dovetail the timing of that increased capital expenditure and the fact that it's probably -- or it will be 2013 whenever that incremental benefit comes to pass. So there wasn't -- certainly wasn't trying to do anything other than just show that difference in timing on capital expenditure. And with regard to Western, you're right, there's some purchase accounting that comes into play and that's a good thing. 2013 will see improved accretion as a result of that acquisition. I'm not in a position today to try to quantify that for you except to say that the bias on EPS will be higher the next year and subsequent years. And then with regard to -- let me take the low end of the guidance if I may Budd -- and I apologize for jumping around here, because we reckoned that question would come. And as we sat around and put forth our best estimate of a range, we reminded ourselves of what happened in 2010. Namely, we came out of the gate pretty robustly, pretty strong and by mid-year, we started to see some significant pullback in demand. We hope we're being conservative, but we think we're being realistic that, that could happen. So that really talks -- that talks to the lower end of that guidance. And then I read your notes this morning that you put out and I think you've done a good job of talking about what's going to cause this EPS shift and specifically, margins and reduced fixed costs on higher volumes certainly assist us. The restructuring benefits that I spoke about, that $0.07 to $0.10 certainly going to come to pass. A modest accretion in the first year here with Western and then those higher tax rates and interest expenses. As we know those are going to happen, and so we've gone ahead and put those into play. Stir that whole pot, it gets us in that approximate $1.30, $1.32 range. And so we bracketed $1.20, $1.40. Budd Bugatch - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division: Just if I can -- just to avoid Dave DeSonier's restrictions for one more time, just one more follow-up. On the Western Pneumatic, it is so project-related with the aerospace and the big projects that are going on with the airline companies, how do you get comfort that, that's a longer-lasting business and that there's something behind that?

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Raymond James

Yes. That's an excellent question, and really we're glad you asked that because part of the due diligence, in fact a meaningful part of the due diligence that we did in conjunction with this Western Pneumatic team, which incidentally they're an outstanding team of management and partners in general. But that diligence had to do with the customer concentration, the breadth of the product line and the duration of those products and their application. They're very -- they're somewhat automotive-like and even longer their long-lived applications. And once you're able to be favored with that type of business, then the users of that product rarely will change suppliers over the life of that particular application. SO they're very long-lived. And so we gained a significant amount of comfort. And then of course, we're pleased to see the demand in global aircraft orders go up and certainly benefit from that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Keith Hughes with SunTrust.

Keith B. Hughes - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust

A question within the commercial division. Within your guidance, could you tell me how you're thinking about Fixture & Display and Office Furniture for 2012?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · SunTrust

Keith, this is Karl. From a commercial standpoint that we are looking from a top line perspective of a reduction in sales of about $20 million, some of that has to do with the divestiture of the U.K.-based POP facility and about flattish demand in the remaining business. Remember that we're going through this facility consolidation in Alabama. We expect that we'll retain the majority of that business. So store fixtures, while it's early and is by far the most difficult of our businesses to predict, we're looking at a flattish once you take out the POP business. Office is also a forecast of flat to slightly up. You'll note that the BIFMA forecast for 2012 is for flat to slightly negative in the macro BIFMA space. We feel pretty good or real good about our product placement and our relative position with specific customers. So we are up admittedly against some very difficult comps in that business, but feel good about our market position. It's just a question, does the market continue to stay strong?

Keith B. Hughes - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust

The market for store fixtures?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · SunTrust

The market for office.

Keith B. Hughes - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust

For office, okay. I guess on residential -- and if you could do the same thing just on Spring and Furniture, your expectation for '12?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · SunTrust

On the spring side, our forecasts are slightly positive maybe a point, which correlates to the ISPA industry data of forecasted unit growth of 1%. They also -- and they incorporate all the specialty space, so some people would say our innerspring growth forecast may be bullish. I certainly feel that those that think that an innerspring is no longer part of a mattress didn't witness the Las Vegas market last week, didn't see the extreme proliferation of new innerspring designs, especially in hybrid placements. We feel good about the trend on innersprings. They were up in the fourth quarter. Innerspring sales in the January timeframe are up about 7%. So we feel good about the trend, but today's earlier point, we're a little spooked by the head fake that we've experienced in the last couple of years with a strong start and a diminished back half. From a hardware standpoint, specific to furniture, that business was under greater pressure in 2011 than was bedding. We saw a trough in the summer months. Saw some recovery toward the end of the year with hardware units being up about 7% in December. Feel good about the trend, I cannot give you a January trend number on furniture because of the Asian aspect of that business. And as you all know that the Chinese holidays were in January this year versus February last, so I don't have meaningful comparisons. But we would expect for the full year flat to slightly unit positive in that business as well. All in the backdrop of, as you yourself witnessed, significant optimism and really positive feelings coming out of the Las Vegas market last week. But we continue to be concerned as our customers about the back half of the year, the cost of advertising, the probability of a very contentious election. So we're guarded in our forecast.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Leah Villalobos with Longbow Research.

Leah Villalobos - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst · Longbow Research

I just wanted to clarify on the quarter innerspring results, how much of that was share gains versus organic growth?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Longbow Research

It was primarily recovery of previously lost share that you would have heard in our commentary or remember from a year ago that we spoke to some temporary loss to some opportunistic pricing from a European spring manufacturer that was highly correlated to the then very low euro exchange rate. We've regained that business in early 2011, so we're comping the recovery of that business. So probably 3 quarters of the pickup in the fourth quarter was the recovery of that business. In the first shipping weeks of this new year, we're still getting some benefit of that. We think about 50% of it was the recovery of that business and the other 50% was just a fact that business is better now than it was a year ago now.

Leah Villalobos - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst · Longbow Research

That's really helpful. And then just if I could one more on the International Springs business, we saw some nice growth numbers to last few quarters and I was just wondering if there's anything in terms of timing or if you're really seeing a contraction there versus kind of what you saw on the third quarter?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Longbow Research

We started to see a little bit of slowing in specifically European spring in the fourth quarter with units down about 4.5% to 5%. Interestingly enough, they were up in December just from 100 basis points, but they were up. But we did see a little bit of contraction in January, which we've been expecting. Now remember, January, in all the data that I'm giving you, has one more shipping day in 2012 versus '11. But European spring was down about 10% in January. Latin American spring was up about 10% in January and was up -- as we continued to gain share, it was actually up 22% in the fourth quarter of last year, so we feel good about that. The real question is the cloud that hangs over Europe.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Herb Hardt with Monness. Herbert Hardt - Monness, Crespi, Hardt & Co., Inc., Research Division: With the plant closings, can you give us some sense of your operating rate? And if business starts to get more robust, is there any areas where you might run out of capacity?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Monness

Herb, good question. Our utilization rate at the end of the quarter was about 60%. We had not -- that does not take into consideration the majority of the restructuring activities that are really in process now. We expect through all of that we may lose as much as 500 basis points in total capacity, but it spread through the businesses in the appropriate areas, and all of that obviously, based on some longer-term forecast. The steel mill is, as I said, 100% utilized. The automotive and office sides have a little bit higher utilization rate than, say, a store fixtures would. I really look forward to running out of capacity in any of our businesses and long for the day when a customer is calling me saying that we can't keep up with them. It's been so long that I've kind of forgot how those calls take place, but I remember the EBIT margins that come with them.

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Monness

Yes, but with the production capacity that we've got, Herb, it's unlikely we're going to need to make any meaningful capital expenditures for increased capacity if we keep the product mix that we've got through 2013 -- excuse me, through 2012. Come 2013, if the economy picks up, there are going to be 2 to 3 business units where we'll probably need to increase capacity.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Budd Bugatch with Raymond James. Budd Bugatch - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division: Yes, sorry to get back in. And Karl, the obvious issue in the bedding industry, I just wondered if you'd just step back and kind of philosophically talk about the changes that we're seeing in bedding between alternative sleep and the units of innerspring and where you think that goes. And if you could also maybe comment a little bit about the import situation and where that sits. I know you've had some recent conversations in our nation's capital on that. So maybe talk a bit about the whole philosophy of where you think -- where Leggett thinks this is going because you guys have as good a window on that as anybody. I know there's been a lot of conversation about that market now.

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Raymond James

You and I certainly have a lot of conversations recently on this very issue. We believe today that alternative sleep or specialty, depending on how you define the terms, is about 10% of total industry units, probably in the 25% to 30% range in dollars, big future expectation of how large it can get is difficult. Admittedly, that product sells at some ultra-premium price points. Until recently, almost all above $2,000 at queen retail. That consumer certainly has been a more comfortable consumer allowing that business to grow significantly last year. Give a lot of credit to the people in that space, the Tempur-Pedics and Select Comforts who've done a wonderful job at pulling the consumer into the replacement cycle as opposed to the fulfillment replacement business that others have been doing. To give you an order magnitude though, I think that your statistics would tell us that Tempur sales were about 618,000 units in 2011. Admittedly, great growth. To give you that magnitude though, and I don't want to be overly defensive, but that's about 3 average shipping weeks for us. So 90% of the market is still alive and well, servicing a consumer that has been less confident than the ultra-premium consumer. Now what we saw in Las Vegas was a shift in that Tempur-Pedic along with some others specifically, Serta, have done a really good job of introducing new products that hit a target customer north of the $1,000 queen. And we believe that about 75% to 80% of sales are still below $1,000 at queen, that is very highly concentrated to an innerspring probably in the 98% range, don't know for sure. It's interesting in conversations with both Simmons and that they have done a lot of consumer market preference analysis and believe that at the…

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Raymond James

The import issue. Go way back in time that you'll know that we filed an antidumping suit against the combination of China, South Africa and Vietnam believing that primarily China at that time and the others to a lesser degree, were dumping innersprings into the United States at lower than their cost of manufacture and lower than they were pricing their products in the domestic market. We then and today produce innersprings in China. We are very confident of that filing. The U.S. government agreed with us. At its peak, we were experiencing about 3.5 million innersprings coming into this country with the benefit of that antidumping and sister countervailing duty finding that new tariffs were put on those innersprings at the high rate of 235%, and we saw that the importation of that dumped product drop pretty significantly. Then again, early 2010, late 2009, we saw a spike in that product again, probably at the rate of 1 million pieces. So we've fixed 2/3 of it, but there's about 1 million pieces that we believe that we closely track that are shipped into this country illegally, that by a transshipment, most of the point of origin is still China and all that happens is shipping documents change hands, and it looks on to the customs department that those products are produced in places like Malaysia and Singapore and Taiwan where there's not a big manufacturing base of innersprings. The reference that you made is that I did have the pleasure of testifying in front of a Senate trade subcommittee in May of last year, making the folks in Washington aware of that illegal transshipment. It's a nonpartisan issue, in that it's a jobs issue that we're losing jobs through the lack of enforcement of U.S. trade laws. And we continue to fight -- we hear good things, but one thing that I'm sure of in Washington is there is a propensity to point fingers at the other agency and to cut through the politics and the lack of inaction and the desire to enforce our laws, but seemingly the lack of ability is alarming. So as a U.S. taxpayer, we're certainly losing that revenue as a U.S. manufacturer is losing the ability to engage in increased job formation, and we continue to pursue that. It's rewarding to hear the talking heads, the politicians all talk about fair trade, but little is being done, so we'll continue to push.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Keith Hughes with SunTrust.

Keith B. Hughes - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust

Just a follow-up on the acquisition. So if I'm hearing you right, there are going to be some purchase accounting adjustments. I assume that's around inventory in the first year that prevents more accretion. Is that correct?

Susan R. McCoy

Analyst · SunTrust

Yes, that's correct, Keith.

Keith B. Hughes - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust

Okay, and there will be a goodwill amortization that would hit over a longer period of time, correct?

Susan R. McCoy

Analyst · SunTrust

Yes, it's intangible amortization. It's -- we'll assign some value to the customer relationships and that's fairly meaningful.

Keith B. Hughes - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust

Okay. And that you have to amortize that over time, is that correct?

Susan R. McCoy

Analyst · SunTrust

Yes, that's right.

Keith B. Hughes - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust

But the inventory hit is just the first year?

Susan R. McCoy

Analyst · SunTrust

That's correct.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Joe Havard with Hilliard Lyons.

Joel K. Havard - Hilliard Lyons, Research Division

Analyst · Hilliard Lyons

The text -- the release cited higher interest expense as a potential, at least marginal drag on the earnings power here. If Matt's in the room still, I wondered if he could elaborate on that debt picture. You don't have big maturities near term, but I don't see anything big coming on either. It looks like kind of '13, '14, some of the chunks start to roll off. Is that expected to be replaced or does cash flow take care of it? What are you looking at?

Matthew C. Flanigan

Analyst · Hilliard Lyons

Good question, Joel. As we sit here today, we have our $6 million bank facility that we renewed in August, and it's a 5-year tenure, so we've got almost a full 5 years left. We're using about $300 million of that as we speak. The overnight volume rate is about 30 basis points. So we're happy to have that in place, feel real good about that. We anticipate to continue to use that as a source of financing, and it's obviously quite inexpensive, all things considered. In January, which is when we bought Western, too, that required about $188 million check to write. So that's the spike in the borrowing that has taken place, and we're glad it did so to make an acquisition come to pass. And so that will -- that's directly correlated to some of the incremental expense we will see on the interest line in 2012. We expect to pay that off significantly during the year, which also directly correlates [indiscernible] we do not anticipate to buy back many shares, if any at all, in 2012. If you look at our rolling forward maturities, we do have one coming around the corner in April of 2013 at $300 million. We expect to largely refinance most of that with an issuance later this year. That issuance will be about $200 million. And again, where we see interest rates today, the coupon on that would be something without our swaps noted in the 3.5% to 4% range. Once we factor in our swap, it will be something still south of 5%, again if rates stay just where they are right now. And so we would anticipate refinancing some of the upcoming maturity debt just in a pragmatic fashion. So nothing on the debt side or the overall leverage should give anybody pause. In fact, quite the contrary, we would anticipate that our net debt to cap ratio, which we often quote, would be near the end of the year about 30%, once again which is about where it was as we closed 2011.

Joel K. Havard - Hilliard Lyons, Research Division

Analyst · Hilliard Lyons

And since we're all doing inherent follow-ups today, I wonder then, does that -- maybe this goes to Haffner, too, does that mean that to get into the quote target debt range that there's another more sizeable acquisition candidate or 2 on the horizon?

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Hilliard Lyons

Yes. Joel, let me just say if I may, that the activity down the M&A department has picked up a bit, and we've got a few more things on the radar screen, as we say. There are some pretty critical criteria that we use. We've strengthened and refined our criteria requirements, so we're looking at, I think, generally fewer than higher quality targets. And we'll need to announce them as they happen, but we're working.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Robert Kelly of Sidoti & Company. Robert J. Kelly - Sidoti & Company, LLC: Forgive me if I missed this. Did you talk about, in your 2012 guidance, your expectations for the Western Pneumatic revenue?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

We didn't talk about it specifically, Bob, but it's in the $60 million to $62 million range. Robert J. Kelly - Sidoti & Company, LLC: So revenue in '12 will be roughly even with what they did in 2011?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

No, 2011 was about $55 million, $56 million. Robert J. Kelly - Sidoti & Company, LLC: Okay, got you. And then I believe you stated the EBIT margin for Western were -- I guess, is the right way to think about the EBIT margins for Western accretive to Leggett's corporate average?

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Yes, I think the way to think of it, Bob, is that those margins in general are higher than the average margins otherwise. Robert J. Kelly - Sidoti & Company, LLC: And is that adjusted for the one-time inventory and purchase accounting adjustments you'll be making?

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Yes, sir. Robert J. Kelly - Sidoti & Company, LLC: So once those fall away, significantly accretive?

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Meaningfully, yes.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Dillard Watt with Stifel, Nicolaus. Dillard Watt - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: You mentioned a shift from interest segment to trade sales in the steel mill. Wondering what drove that shift. Was an addition of any new costumers or anything like that?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · any new costumers or anything like that

No. Really what happened was it was a reduction in internal demand which used to be the transfer or the sale of product intra-segment. So sales with the rod mill would move to the wire mill at market, remember. So there is an appropriate EBIT margin on all of that, but they were non-reported sales. We have now -- because of things being relatively soft and our ability to produce more tons at the sterling mill, we've shifted some of that business out into the trade steel industry, again, at very acceptable EBIT margins, but now we have a reported sale. So it becomes dilutive from that perspective. Dillard Watt - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: Got you, okay. And then within the residential segment and I guess, really the whole business, what are you all thinking about in terms of the inflation impact from a year ago on revenue on a quarterly basis?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · any new costumers or anything like that

From an inflation perspective, we're today modeling no new inflation and we would have the continuation then of where you would have depressed prices in 1Q of last year, somewhat inflated prices in 2Q and then depending on the business, some selective givebacks in 3Q. So normalize the whole thing, and it's flattish.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the conference back over to management for closing remarks.

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Raymond James

We appreciate your attention, and we'll talk to you again next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference. All parties may now disconnect. Have a great day.