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Q3 2011 Earnings Call· Sat, Oct 29, 2011

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Leggett & Platt Third Quarter 2011 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, David DeSonier, Senior Vice President of Strategy and Investor Relations for Leggett & Platt, Inc. Thank you. Mr. DeSonier, you may begin.

David M. DeSonier

Analyst

Good morning, and thank you for taking part in Leggett & Platt's third quarter conference call. With me today are the following: Dave Haffner, our CEO and President; Karl Glassman, our Chief Operating Officer; Matt Flanigan, who's our CFO; and Susan McCoy, our Staff VP of Investor Relations. The agenda for this morning's call is as follows. Dave Haffner will start with a summary of the major statements we made in yesterday's press release. Karl Glassman will provide operating highlights. Dave will then address our outlook for the remainder of the year. And finally, the group will answer any questions you have. This conference is being recorded for Leggett & Platt and is copyrighted material. This call may not be transcribed recorded or broadcast without our express permission. A replay is available from the IR portion of Leggett's website. We posted to the IR portion of the website a set of PowerPoint slides that contain summary financial information. Those slides supplement the information we discuss on this call, including non-GAAP reconciliation. I need to remind you that remarks today concerning future expectations, events, objectives, strategies, trends or results constitute forward-looking statements. Actual results or events may differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties, and the company undertakes no obligation to update or revise these statements. For a summary of these risk factors and additional information, please refer to yesterday's press release and the section in our 10-K entitled forward-looking statements. I'll now turn the call over to Dave Haffner.

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Keith Hughes with SunTrust

Good morning, and thank you for participating in our call. As we reported yesterday, earnings for the third quarter were $0.31 per share or flat with the same quarter of last year. Third quarter sales grew 9% versus the prior year from items that brought little incremental profit. Inflation and currency rate fluctuation accounted for the bulk of the growth, and trade sales from our steel mill provided 3% unit growth. Across the remainder of the company as a whole, unit volume was essentially flat. We are not satisfied with our results this quarter. Earnings and margins decreased both year-over-year and sequentially. Competitive pricing and customer down spec-ing, both of which Karl will talk about in his segment comments, are impacting certain product categories. When combined with our efforts to reduce inventory by curtailing production, which also reduced overhead absorption, earnings and margins were under pressure. Earlier in the year, we had expected overall unit demand to improve this Fall. That has not happened, and many of the recent forecasts and surveys from well-regarded sources suggest that our economy will be facing headwinds for longer than previously expected. We have been too patient and are no longer willing to wait for an economic recovery to bolster earnings. As a result, we have recently initiated additional efforts to decrease excess production capacity, reduce overhead and trim our cost structure. For the quarter, we generated operating cash of $101 million, which includes the reduction in inventory levels that I mentioned earlier. With ongoing concerns about weak markets, our operating folks continue to closely monitor the working capital levels. We ended the quarter with working capital at 12.5% of annualized sales. New this quarter was a $30 million current liability associated with an interest rate swap that we entered in late 2010. Excluding…

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Raymond James

Thank you, Dave. Good morning. In my comments, I'll discuss a few segment highlights. You will find segment details in yesterday's press release and in the slide presentation on our website. Third quarter sales in Residential Furnishings segment grew 6%, primarily from inflation and changes in currency exchange rates. Unit volumes were up slightly versus a weak third quarter 2010. In our U.S. Spring business, innerspring unit volumes were flat, and boxspring units were up slightly during the quarter. In our Furniture Hardware business, third quarter unit volume decreased 9% versus the prior year. Again this quarter, we had significant growth in power foundations, with unit shipments of 46%. EBIT and EBIT margins in the Residential Furnishings segment decreased versus the third quarter of 2010, primarily from higher raw material costs and increased restructuring-related expenses. Competitive industry pricing and customer down spec-ing are also impacting EBIT and margins both year-over-year and sequentially. With depressed industry volumes and anticipation of lower steel costs in certain cases, we have reduced prices to retain market share. Also, in an effort to manage their own cost, customers in certain instances have chosen to replace higher value components with lower value components. As Dave mentioned earlier, we have initiated additional efforts to decrease excess production capacity. The activities announced today in the Residential segment include operations in bedding and carpet underlay. In the Commercial Fixturing & Components segment, third quarter sales decreased 5%, as lower Fixture & Display sales were partially offset by continued growth in office furniture components. Sales in our Fixture & Display business decreased approximately 10% versus the third quarter of 2010. Our major retail customers have significantly curtailed their current year remodeling activity. Sales in our Office Furniture business grew 7% versus a more difficult comparison in the third quarter last…

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Keith Hughes with SunTrust

Thank you, Karl. As we announced yesterday, we reduced our full year earnings guidance to $1.15 to $1.20 range. The decrease versus previous guidance reflects the weaker-than-anticipated third quarter results and lower than previous expectations for the economy. For the full year, we expect sales of approximately $3.6 billion, an increase of 7% versus 2010, largely due to inflation, currency fluctuation and trade sales growth at the steel mill. Unit volumes are expected to be essentially flat for the year. And in closing, to repeat myself, we are not pleased with this quarter's results. And as we have done before, we are acutely focused on actions that will yield improved ongoing profitability in the future. And with those comments, I'll turn the call back over to Dave DeSonier.

David M. DeSonier

Analyst

That concludes our prepared remarks. We thank you for your attention, and we'll be glad to try to answer your questions. As we typically do, in order to allow everyone an opportunity to participate, we request that you ask your single best question and then voluntarily yield to the next participant. If you have additional questions, please re-enter the queue, and we will answer all the questions you have. Melissa, we're ready to begin the Q&A.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Budd Bugatch with Raymond James.

Chad Bolen - Raymond James

Analyst · Raymond James

This is actually Chad Bolen, filling in for Budd this morning. I guess as I look at the Residential Furniture segment, specifically, units for U.S. Spring and for Furniture Hardware, could you give us a sense of kind of how the unit's growth progressed through the quarter? And it does appear that the guidance for Q4 suggests units will be down year-over-year. Is that consistent in bedding as well as Furniture Hardware? Could you give us sort of a flavor of what your expectations are for each of those businesses?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Raymond James

On U.S. Spring, the units were down, and this is innerspring units, were down slightly in July, and then slightly positive in August and September to end-up essentially flat. To date in October, shipments are up about 2%, so it's just flattish, more of the same. Boxspring units were slightly positive in the third quarter, and they were also up about 2% in October. The outlook for the quarter in U.S. Spring is flat, a continuation of that. We continue to feel that we have regained the share. You'll remember in our third quarter comments of last year, we had noted that we had lost some share. We've regained that share. So we believe that the innerspring portion of the U.S. mattress business is flattish to maybe slightly negative, but we will quickly admit that the innerspring portion of the finished mattress sector is losing some share. So my comments are directly related to the innerspring portion of the Finished Mattress business. As far as Furniture Hardware goes, the demand there was disappointing. July was much softer than anticipated. Saw more of that in August. We saw some recovery in September and continued to see that recovery in the first few shipping weeks of October. As you know, unlike bedding, which is in the trough of its seasonal selling, that furniture should be closer to the peak. What we think that we experienced is -- and this is somewhat anecdotal, is a de-stocking in the finished inventory industry -- from a furniture perspective, in early third quarter. We saw that at the OEM level. We believe that the retailers were doing the same thing. So we don't believe that we lost share, but we certainly are under some pricing pressures in that industry.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes the line of Mark Rupe with Longbow Research.

Andrew White - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst

This is actually Andy White, in for Mark this morning. My question is just if you could give us maybe a little bit more commentary or color on the de-contenting or down spec-ing that you saw from customers. Was that only in the Residential segment? And then also, do you expect that to continue into 4Q and to 2012? Or what sort of outlook do you have here for the future?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Raymond James

Andy, this is Karl again. It primarily impacts Residential. As you know, there's some connectivity into industrial from both a wire and from a tubing perspective, so down spec-ing truly affects both segments. But what we experienced in -- to make this a little broader, there's a constant question of us about -- as it relates to pricing power, specifically, in Residential as it relates to steel. We did raise prices in the second quarter based on significant increase in raw material. We successfully passed through that inflation. At the same time, our bedding and furniture customers were dealing with inflation from a number of different sources, primarily petrochemical-based, impacting polyurethane foam and some of the non-fashion fabrics. And as those customers tried to pass through that inflation that they were receiving from all sectors of the raw material supply, they had problem passing through to retail. So the response to that was to de-content at the same time that the consumer is bifurcating. They're trading down at the low-end, and we're dealing with a situation where, both furniture and bedding, that it's almost as if the product can't get cheap enough. And at the top end, we're seeing real strength in both furniture and bedding. So that bifurcation is a real issue that has become more acute as the consumer has become more pessimistic as the year's gone on, so it truly is a Residential Furnishings issue.

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Keith Hughes with SunTrust

And Andy, this is Dave Haffner. The second part of your question was will it continue. It could continue, but only to the point where the functionality of the finished product meets the minimum requirements. So wherever practical, where there's value engineering or de-spec-ing, de-contenting, that still meets the customers', and ultimately the consumers' minimum requirements, there's some likeliness of that. Of course, as Karl said, a lot of that value has already been driven out.

Andrew White - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst

Okay, so just maybe to follow-up with that. It sounds like, then, that there's not really maybe a whole lot of more -- little room for that until you sort of get closer to those minimum requirements as you suggested.

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Raymond James

Yes, that's definitely a correct assumption. What happens post-inflationary cycles, there's a reevaluation of content at our customer level. They've gone through that process. To Dave's point, they can only build so far. And at some point, the consumer becomes disgusted, maybe, with the quality that they're getting for a price point, and the consumer starts to step themselves up to get some quality as opposed to just pure unadulterated value.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Keith Hughes with SunTrust.

Keith B. Hughes - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Keith Hughes with SunTrust

Just 2 questions. One, the margin situation you've been discussing, I assume that's going to continue into the fourth, thus, the lower guidance in the fourth. But will that also play a role in the first quarter of next year?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Keith Hughes with SunTrust

Keith, this is Karl again. The -- it to will roll to the fourth. And what's happening, I need to separate what's happening in a steel industry from a long products and a flat products perspective. And the long products, which are wire and rod, we are not seeing price decreases and are not seeing much price down pressure. So this is a flat products issue so, therefore, more significantly impacts furniture than bedding. And steel peaked from an input cost perspective in the second quarter. As I said earlier, we raised prices based on that. That cost inflation ran through our cost sheets in the third quarter. We are now replacing that steel with lower steel cost, again, from a flat perspective, and steel continues to deflate. Part of the margin squeeze issue that we got ourselves into is our customers were pressuring us for price reductions earlier than we ran that lower cost through our cost of goods sold. So it will continue into the fourth. We believe that it will be through the system by the end of the fourth quarter.

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Keith Hughes with SunTrust

And then, Keith, as you know, some of these actions that we're taking has some onetime costs associated with them, but the long-term benefits of these actions would positively affect next year.

Keith B. Hughes - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Keith Hughes with SunTrust

And the actions, the plant closures, headcount reductions, would those all be done by the end of the calendar year?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Keith Hughes with SunTrust

For the most part. And Keith, to the way to think of that is from a 2011 impact, it was roughly $0.05. About $0.01 of that is in the fourth quarter. And then net benefit, our best estimate is $0.06 to $0.07 into 2012. But we are, as Dave said in his comments and as the press release pointed out, we are stepping back with the view that the economy is not going to recover at any point in our lifetimes, and are taking are real critical look at all of the capacity. We are underutilized in our facilities. And so I don't want to infer by these comments that there won't be additional costs in the future, but there'll be resulted benefit from that also. And it gives us the opportunity to better utilize existing assets.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from John Baugh with Stifel, Nicolaus. John A. Baugh - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: I wanted some color on the bedding industry in Europe, say, versus the U.S. Any divergent trends there?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

Yes, just recently, John, that we're seeing a softness in unit demand. But I will say from a sales perspective that on a dollar basis, units are -- I'm sorry, dollar sales are higher in Europe because there was much more severe steel-based inflation in Europe. But the units, actually, in the third quarter is the first time we saw European demand soften. We're seeing real strength, continued strength in Mexico, Brazil and Uruguay. The Asian markets are basically flat, so there are differences around the world. But to sum it all up, Latin America, good, and Europe getting softer. John A. Baugh - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: And if I heard your comments, Karl, correctly on Residential Furniture, it doesn't sound like end-market pull through in motion. Furniture, let's say, was down 9%. Do you think there was some level of inventory de-stocking going on?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

John, at this point, we think that that's the case. We also know that there was some trading down, though, in quality and specification. But from a macro demand standpoint, we do think the third quarter was just a onetime inventory optimization opportunity.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Robert Kelly with Sidoti & Company. Robert J. Kelly - Sidoti & Company, LLC: Just a question on -- for the majority of the segments, it looked like you so some margin compression due to raw materials. Exacerbating the slow demand story, but you called out raw materials for all the segments as being a negative, but you're successful getting price. Is this EBIT margin compression a timing issue from an inventory perspective? Or did you not fully recover the raw material increases?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Robert Kelly with Sidoti & Company

Really, the explanation on raw material inflation is a year-on-year issue as opposed to a sequential issue, so that's why the call-out in the segment detail. And we believe that we are -- I'm not going to say that we're fully recovered, but we are recovered to a high degree. The challenge is this mix shift, or this de-contenting or spec change down the backside.

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Robert Kelly with Sidoti & Company

And also, Karl, as we pointed out, when we made the decision, Bob, to cut back production in order to contract our inventories, the overhead associated with that production is meaningful, and so that had a pretty meaningful effect on margin. And then I know it's repetitive and I apologize, but that shift from an intercompany sale of rod to our wire mills to trade, even though the EBIT was the same, the reported trade sales went up and that also had that negative impact on our margins. If production goes back up, of course, we'll absorb all that overhead in a much better fashion and then at any shift back towards internal sales of our products out of the steel mill will also have a positive effect. Robert J. Kelly - Sidoti & Company, LLC: Okay. And just one follow-up on -- in the Office Furniture market, you seem to have seen some deceleration there, but we're still growing. In past quarters, you talked about some pretty significant underutilization, or below optimal utilization. Maybe that's the right way to characterize it. Where are we today in the Office Furniture business as far as utilization?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Robert Kelly with Sidoti & Company

Really, Bob, what we're seeing in the office is just more difficult comps. That business started really significant recovery in the second quarter of 2010, so we're anniversary-ing that significant growth. The utilization rate in the office sector is just a little bit north of 50%, so as we continue to get additional volume and pass-through, then more properly utilize those facilities, it's a very good thing for us.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes the line of Allen Zwickler with First Manhattan.

Allen Zwickler - First Manhattan Co., Research Division

Analyst

Could you just -- on a macro basis, your comments about competition in the bedding industry and your comment quoting that, that just doesn't seem to be a price. How does that jive just generally with your dominant market position in certain components? I mean, is it that there is somebody out there who somehow figured out a way to make something similar to you at a cheaper price? If you follow where I'm going with this, because it just -- it was a little striking to me that -- we know that demand is down in general, but that wasn't -- it didn't quite come through to me that that was the only issue.

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Raymond James

Allen, what it is, to answer your bedding question first, is that the competitive environment in bedding really is unchanged. The big difference is we will admit, as I said, that specialty sleep products are taking some share from innerspring. We think that the specialty, from a unit perspective, has about a 10% market share, so that is some competition. But as you'll note, we've said that our units were flat. As it relates to the de-spec-ing situation, that's more consumer driven than anything. It's the consumer trading down to a price point, the retailer becoming more promotional to drive the consumer into that retail environment. So it's not a significant competitive issue as it is a consumption issue.

Allen Zwickler - First Manhattan Co., Research Division

Analyst

Okay. So it isn't as if someone came along, and I'm going to say this the wrong way, made a different, a Leggett-type component that is able to be sold -- you know where I'm going with this. I just want to be clear on that.

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Keith Hughes with SunTrust

Yes, yes. It's a very good question. And I think we can give you great comfort that there isn't anybody in the world that we know of that can take steel rod and turn it into, I'll just say bedding components, any more efficiently than Leggett. There aren't any new innerspring geometries or boxspring geometries that have eroded a portion of our offering to our customers. It doesn't mean that there aren't people working on those things. We work on them all the time, of course. But I think it's good that you asked the question, because we are comfortable that we can -- we don't like to use the word dominate, but we are comfortable that there isn't anybody else in the world that can produce those components that I just mentioned more efficiently than Leggett.

Allen Zwickler - First Manhattan Co., Research Division

Analyst

And just 2 quick follow-ups. One is, how are you doing in China in terms of production, et cetera? And then unrelated, in terms of the commercial business, Store Fixtures, et cetera, how would you characterize that business versus the capacity that you've taken out in the last 2 years?

Karl G. Glassman

Analyst · Raymond James

As it relates to Chinese production, not a lot has changed, that we operate the 11 facilities there very successfully and profitably. They continue to be very, very productive. So we haven't seen a change there, really, positive or negative. It's just demand related. As it relates to Store Fixtures, that -- we were very optimistic moving into 2011. Because we had reduced our capacity, we experienced a strong 2010. You'll remember, in the first half of 2010, we had picked up some market share gains in early 2011. And what we experienced in the second and now third quarters, and will continue on into the fourth, is just a lack of demand. And that the retailers continue to some degree with their openings, as they normally do, but they have very much slowed on the remodeling part of their business, and remodeling is an important element to us.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. There are no further question at this time. I'd like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.

David S. Haffner

Analyst · Keith Hughes with SunTrust

We'll just say we appreciate your attention, and we'll talk to you again. The next release will be the early February, and then we'll again have a conference call the next morning. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.