Good afternoon, and welcome to loanDepot's Year-end and Fourth Quarter 2022 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to turn the call over to Gerhard Erdelji, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining our call. I'm Gerhard Erdelji, Investor Relations Officer at loanDepot. Today, we'll discuss Loan Depot's year-end and fourth quarter 2022 results. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that this conference call may include forward-looking statements regarding the company's operating and financial performance in future periods. All statements, other than statements of historical fact, are statements that could be deemed forward-looking statements, including, but not limited to, guidance to our pull-through weighted rate lock volume, origination volume, pull-through weighted gain on sale margin and expenses. These statements are based on the company's current expectations and available information. Actual results for future periods may differ materially from these forward-looking statements due to risks or other factors that are described in the Risk Factors section of our filings with the SEC. A webcast and a transcript of this call will be posted on the company's Investor Relations website at investor.loandepot.com under the Events and Presentations tab. On today's call, we have Lone Depot President and Chief Executive Officer, Frank Martell; and Chief Financial Officer, Patrick Flanagan, to provide an overview of our quarter as well as our financial and operational results, outlook and to answer your questions. We are also joined by our Chief Investment Officer, Jeff DerGurahian; and LDI Mortgage President, Jeff Walsh, to help address any questions you might have after our prepared remarks. Please note that we will not be taking any questions regarding Anthony Hsieh's submission of a nomination notice. And with that, I'll turn things over to Frank to get us started. Frank?

Thank you, Gerhard, and thank you all for joining us today. I look forward to sharing my perspectives on market conditions, our results and our outlook. As all of you know, 2022 was a year of dramatic volatility and extreme challenge for the mortgage and broader housing markets. Virtually no part of the housing ecosystem was left unaffected as participants in the housing market grappled with substantial and rapid increases in home and the cost of home loans. This was compounded by the cumulative impact of significant home price appreciation over the last four to five years, driven by structural supply-demand imbalances as well as the depressive impact of high inflation on available household incomes. The impact of this once-in-a-generation downshift was magnified by the fact that most industry participants had greatly expanded their operations to accommodate historically high levels of activity in 2020 and 2021. To address the short- to medium-term impacts of lower market activity, as well as to position loanDepot to capitalize on longer-term opportunities inherent in shifting home buyer demographics, technology enhancements and process optimization, we announced the launch of our Vision 2025 strategic plan in July of 2022. As you may recall, Vision 2025 has four pillars. Pillar 1 focuses on transforming our originations business to drive purchase money transactions with expanded emphasis on first-time homebuyers and servicing diverse communities. Pillar 2 calls for aggressively rightsizing our cost structure in line with current and anticipated market conditions as well as to achieve internal operating performance targets. Pillar 3 covers selectively investing in profitable growth-generating initiatives as well as critical business platforms and processes to support operating leverage and exceptional quality and delivery. And finally, Pillar 4 relates to optimizing our organizational structure. I intend to focus the balance of my prepared remarks today on significant…

Thanks, Frank, and good afternoon, everyone. During the fourth quarter, loan origination volume was $6 billion, a decrease of 35% from the third quarter of 2022. This was near the high end of the guidance we issued last quarter of between $4 billion and $7 billion. Fourth quarter volumes consisted of just under $5 billion in purchase transactions and $1.5 billion in refinanced loans, primarily cash-out refinances. Our pull-through weighted rate-lock volume of $4 billion for the fourth quarter resulted in total revenue of $170 million, which represented a 38% decrease from the third quarter. Rate-lock volume also came in within the guidance we issued last quarter of $3 billion to $6 billion. The decrease in revenue is primarily a result of lower pull-through weighted rate-lock volume quarter-over-quarter driven by ongoing volatility in the interest rate markets, year-end seasonality and the completion of our decision to exit from the wholesale channel. Our pull-through weighted gain on sale margin for the fourth quarter came in at 221 basis points, also within the guidance we provided. Turning now to our servicing portfolio. Customer retention and revenue diversification remain key areas of focus. As of last month, we achieved our goal to bring our portfolio of agency and Ginnie Mae loan servicing to our in-house platform. This transition, which began in early 2021, enhances our operational efficiency and allows the company to diversify revenue streams. With the transition complete, we will continue to invest in our in-house servicing business, complementing our origination strategy to serve customers through the entire journey mortgage -- entire mortgage journey. This enables us to capture additional revenue opportunities over time by leveraging our marketing and customer acquisition expenses across a diverse set of products and services. The unpaid principal balance of our servicing portfolio increased to $141 billion…

[Operator Instructions] We'll go first to Doug Harter, Credit Suisse.

I was hoping if you could talk a little bit about your gain on margin at this point a 200 basis points for that's basically at all.

I'm sorry. Lisa, we're not able to hear the question.

Mr. Harter, unfortunately, we cannot hear you.

Sorry about that. Can you hear me now?

Yes, sir.

So yes, just hoping for more detail around the gain on sale margin, the midpoint around 200 basis points for business exiting the wholesale, I guess, it seems like some peers in the retail are higher. So just hoping you could help put a little more context around that gain on sale margin and where that might ultimately settle out?

Thanks, Doug. Yes, so I think that we think that our gain on sale margin reflects the activity in the market for the loan origination profile of customers that we're originating and expect, as we said, for that to remain pretty steady in the first quarter. I think the differences are largely origination mix and geographic concentration of where others are in the marketplace.

Okay. And then I think in your comments, you talked about kind of leaving the liquidity structure kind of in place. I guess, is that to mean that you're going to probably continue to run kind of high levels of cash kind of in the near term?

Yes. I think our balance sheet management strategy will remain the same as it has been for the last few quarters.

Okay. And what about the thoughts around sales of additional MSR or now that you brought it all in-house, would you look to kind of try to grow that portfolio?

Yes. The MSR and the searching business are important assets to us, and we don't expect to reduce that portfolio, and we'll look to selectively increase it as the economics of the business allow us to do so.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from Kevin Barker, Piper Sandler.

Hi, this is Brad Capuzzi on for Kevin Barker. Thanks for taking my question. Given the significant cost reduction, do you have a view on when you'll be able to achieve profitability? And then do you feel comfortable you'll be able to scale up on the other side of the cycle?

Yes. This is Frank. I think -- first of all, I think that, as I said, the team did a great job, and we reduced our expense structure significantly. I think are we confident that we can grow out of the cycle? Yes. I think absolutely. I think we anticipate, as I said, a very challenging 2023. So we remain very focused on the market and where the market goes, and we have actions that can address market downsides, but also we are committed to investing. We have certain in-flight investments that we're making that will help us when the market returns to grow efficiently and effectively.

That’s it for me. Thanks for taking my question.

The next question comes from Kyle Joseph, Jefferies.

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Just high level, obviously, demand for mortgages, we know that's done just from your perspective, in the industry. Has supply caught up with that? Or would you need rates really to stabilize for supply to catch up with demand?

Yes. I don't think we've seen capacity come out quite as quickly as we would have thought. I think that's occurring now. But still going forward, there's room for reduced capacity in our view. And I think we're prepared hopefully would be a beneficiary of that reduced capacity when it happens.

Got it. And then just 1 quick follow-up or clarification now that servicing is in-house, just looking at the loan you guys sold $6.8 billion of loans in the quarter and released $2.6 billion of that -- of the servicing type of those loans. What do you think that mix looks like going forward?

I think that servicing sale you're referencing was a third quarter event. There were no bulk sales of servicing in the fourth quarter.

Your next question comes from John Davis, Raymond James.

Hi, thanks for taking the question. This is Taylor on for JD. Just maybe to start on the HELOC launch. Can you just talk about the feedback you've gotten so far and how the launch has gone versus your expectations when you first rolled it out?

Yes. This is Jeff Walsh. The launch is going well. We're now in kind of 80% of the market in terms of the opportunity. We've been expanding the product offering, and we see becoming a more and more meaningful part of our business going forward, not just the volume and revenue in the short term, but also the kind of the long-term customer opportunities that get created from having those consumers in the portfolio.

Great. Maybe just one more. It's good to see your Vision 2025 cost cuts are ahead of schedule. As you've gone through the exercise of restructuring your cost structure, have you found any additional opportunities to reduce costs in any particular area?

Yes. I think -- look, I think there's always opportunity to reduce cost, and we continue every data to get more efficient. I think some are short term in nature and some are longer term. I think the cost-cutting that we're doing right now mirrors what was going on in 2022. I think longer term, though, we're really excited about the new LOS platform that was announced recently. We think that over the medium to longer term, that's going to generate significant cost reduction and efficiency, but also quality and other opportunities for us. So that's just one example of investments we're making, there's many others. So I think we will continue to look at what's important, I think, is the market and how the market evolves and make cost actions and cost plans accordingly. But we think that we have really good momentum right now coming out of last year and feel good about where we are right now.

Great. Thanks.

Next question comes from James Faucette, Morgan Stanley.

This is Blake Netter on the line for James. Thanks for taking my questions. So in the fourth quarter, cash out refi was about 30% of your volumes. I'm wondering how has that been trending so far during the first quarter and what kind of assumptions are you baking into your outlook for cash out refi given your renewed focus on the purchase market and you recently launched HELOC product?

Yes. So this is Pat. The HELOC product is inclusive or included in that cash out refinance total. And I would expect that the origination mix remains pretty steady through the fourth quarter going forward. And we're finding that customers that are benefiting from cash out refinances is significantly less sort of rate dependent as many of that -- many of those are cash out and debt consolidation. So I would expect it to remain about steady mix for the rest of the year.

Got it. And as a quick follow-up to that. Industry-wide, it looks like average FICO scores and cash out refi loans have been declining quite materially over the past year, while on purchased loans have remained relatively flat, so some people are interpreting that to mean the lenders have already finished cashing out the easiest borrower, so to speak and are kind of moving down to like lower credit quality parts of the spectrum. I'm wondering how does that impact your cash out refi outlook? And are you seeing any less opportunity in this space going forward because of that?

I think -- this is Jeff. To a degree, I think the HELOC product is meant to serve some of those higher FICO borrowers that maybe have sticker shock when they see some of the current rates. I think going forward, consumers are continually adding to their debt stack, which are at higher rates than even current mortgage rates. So we expect this to continue to see borrowers come to us for that consolidation option, whether it's HELOC or first lien cash out.

Got it. Thank you.

The next question is Bob Napoli, William Blair.

Hi, thank you. Good afternoon. I guess trying to get a little more color. I think the most important thing here is to maintain your liquidity and protect as much book value as you can until the market turns. Now it looks like the market is going to be rough for longer. I mean higher interest rates for longer, we may not get a rebound in the mortgage market until, I don't know, 2025, I mean, you have to be prepared. How are you thinking about that? How much cash do you expect -- I mean, at this market, you have to get a way, you have to get to profitability or zero cash burn, so you're around for the other side. So what are your thoughts on that? How much room do you have? And how -- I mean, you've done -- it's a really tough question and tough market, and you've done a great job reducing expenses. But it seems like more has to be done to get to where you can generate at least flat free cash flow in this market. So I mean I think some color on how much room you have when -- how you can do that in this kind of a market, so you get the benefits when all these high interest rate mortgages are refied a couple of years from now?

It's a good question, Bob. This is Pat. I think the first thing to recognize is that our sort of prediction of a $1.5 trillion market is probably significantly lower than most other forecast for the year. So we've already started that thought process of building our expense base to be able to get back to profitability in a much smaller market than even we had last year. And we'll -- and we do -- are starting to see some seasonal pickup in home purchase activity, and we'll have to watch very closely to see if that materializes through the spring. I think the other -- we are carrying significantly higher cash balance as a percent of total assets than we would normally in a more stabilized market. We'll continue to protect liquidity. We have a significant amount of unlevered equity in the MSRs and will -- and so that allows us access to additional capital should we need it. But I think we've demonstrated over the last year that we have the ability to focus on market conditions and adjust our outperformance of expense cuts of more than $400 million to $519 million is representative of that. Our original view is that the market size would be close to $2 trillion. We adjusted down to $1.5 trillion and made the necessary expense cuts along the way. And so I think we'll continue that focus on the business, and we have that discipline to adjust to market cycles. And as in my remarks earlier, we would say we're going to keep our current balance sheet management strategy and focus on maintaining liquidity.

Can you get to breakeven from a financial net income perspective in this market over the next year?

Yes. Look, I think as we stated, we will continue to drive toward cash flow neutrality and operating profitability in any market. And as Pat said, I think we planned this year on a $15 trillion, which is a very low market volume. And I don't think we have a certain answer. I don't anybody does, but I think we're taking -- as you pointed out, we're taking the right actions. And as I said in my prepared remarks, we're prepared to adjust our planning depending on market conditions. And we're hopeful we'll see a solid uptick in the selling season in the spring. That doesn't materialize, we'll be looking at continued cost management activity -- aggressive cost management activity. But getting to a run rate profitability continues to be a North Star under the Vision 2025. It's just a function of the market and managing through the market, and it's certainly the roughest market in the generation for sure. But I think we have liquidity, and we have a very sound and prudent capital management strategy that will see us through this cycle.

Thank you. Appreciated.

That does conclude the question-and-answer session. Frank Martell, I'll turn the call back over to you for any additional or closing remarks.

Thanks, Lisa. So well, thanks, everybody, for joining us today. We really appreciate the insightful questions and your time today. On behalf of Jeff, and Jeff and Pat, and really the rest of the team loanDepot, I want to thank everybody for your support and your continued interest in the company, and we'll continue to keep you all appraised of our continuing progress, both on a short term and a longer-term shareholder value creation plan that we believe is encapsulated in Vision 2025. So again, thanks very much, and have a great day.

And this concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.