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Q4 2018 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 14, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, my name is Lisa and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Kinross Gold Corporation Q4 and Year End 2018 Financial Results Conference Call and Webcast. All participants are in a listen-only mode to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Tom Elliott, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Mr. Elliott, you may begin your conference.

Thomas Elliott

Analyst

Thank you, good morning. With us today we have Paul Rollinson, Chief Executive Officer; Tony Giardini, Chief Financial Officer; Lauren Roberts, Chief Operating Officer; and Paul Tomory, Chief Technical Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to bring to your attention the fact that we will be making forward-looking statements during this presentation. For a complete discussion of the risks, uncertainties and assumptions, which may lead to actual financial results and performance being different from estimates contained in our forward-looking information, please refer to Page 2 of this presentation, our news release dated February 13, 2019, the MD&A for the period ended December 31, 2018 and our most recently filed AIF; all of which are available on our website. I'll now turn the call over to Paul.

Paul Rollinson

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

Thanks, Tom. Good morning, and thank you all for joining us today. I'll begin with some of the highlights from yesterday's news release and some observations about the year ahead before turning the call over to Tony, Lauren and Paul for additional details. I'm pleased to say that in 2018 Kinross has once again delivered on our core principals of operational excellence and financial discipline as we met our guidance for production, costs and capital expenditures for the seventh consecutive year. 2018 was a strong year for the company across a number of areas including record annual production at two operations, continued financial strength as we ended the year with $1.9 billion of liquidity, achieved key milestones at our pipeline of growth projects and continued progress in our exploration programs. I'd like to highlight a few standout achievements. Paracatu had a record year producing 522,000 ounces while also reducing costs by 6% compared to last year. Bald Mountain after doubling it's output in 2017 achieved a new record for production this year of 285,000 ounces. And Tasiast ended the year very strongly and achieved a record quarterly production in Q4. Notwithstanding strong performance by the overall portfolio we experienced a few operational challenges, particularly at Fort Knox following a pit wall slide and an unseasonable amount of rainfall earlier in the year. One of the most significant achievements in 2018 was successfully completing the Tasiast Phase 1 expansion. I want to commend the projects and operations teams for completing the project and for executing both, a seamless transfer and an impressive ramp-up of the new mill. Tasiast just performing better than ever with throughput averaging over 14,000 tons per day in the fourth quarter, almost 20% above nameplate capacity of the Phase 1 design. That strong performance has continued into…

Tony Giardini

Analyst · Carey MacRury from Canaccord

Thanks, Paul. I'd like to begin with a few financial highlights for 2018. Our operations generated approximately $874 million in adjusted operating cash flow compared to $1.2 billion in 2017. Our adjusted net earnings were $128 million for the year or $0.10 per share compared with $179 million or $0.14 per share in 2017. Reported net loss was $24 million or $0.02 per share compared with net earnings of $445 million or $0.36 per share in 2017. The change was primarily a result of decreased operating earnings needs, a reversal of impairment charges related to the sale Serac Sally in 2017 and an increase in 2018 income tax expense. Capital expenditures for 2018 were approximately $1 billion at the low end of our guidance. This included approximately $665 million of growth capital, mainly related to our organic projects at Tasiast Round Mountain, Bald Mountain and Fort Knox. During the quarter we continued to advance the $300 million a project financed that we are targeting for Tasiast. You will recall that mandate letters were signed with the IFC, a member of a World Bank Group and Export Development Canada earlier in the year. During the fourth quarter, we conducted a due diligence site visit, which included meetings with relevant Mauritanian government, ministers and officials. In addition, two commercial banks have also expressed interest in the financing and are engaged in the due diligence process along with the IFC and EDC. We are targeting completion of a project financing from mid-year. Turning to 2019, we're looking forward to another strong year. We once again expect production of 2.5 million gold equivalent ounces with costs of sales expected to be $730 per ounce plus or minus 5%. Our capital expenditures are expected to be in line with 2018 at approximately $1 billion plus…

Lauren Roberts

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

Thank you, Tony. Overall, our portfolio delivered strong operating results in the fourth quarter and we achieved our full year [ph] guidance targets for 2018. Our success this year is a credit to the teams across the company. For me, this is highlighted by our strong safety record with 2018 being one of the safest years in company history. Our mines in the Americas performed well producing 1.5 million ounces in 2018 at a cost of sales of $740 per ounce. Paracatu was a standout performer, achieving a record production at 522,000 ounces while reducing costs per ounce by 6% year-over-year. The mines' performance reflects records tons mined and moved, strong throughput as a result of increased efficiencies in the mill, the highest recovery achieved since 2005, the benefits of our water mitigation measures and significantly improved rainfall compared to the previous year and lower power costs and favorable foreign exchange movements. We're looking forward to another strong year from Paracatu in 2009. While the racing season started strong at the end of 2018, rainfall was lower through January. However, with the successful implementation of our mitigation measures, we feel the risk of a potential impact due to loan [ph] rainfall is significantly lower than in previous years. Before I move on to the results from the rest of our portfolio, as Paul mentioned, I'd like to provide some details on our tailings facilities. Paracatu's tailings facilities are engineered, compacted and zoned, or build dams that were constructed using a centerline design. We routinely monitor and assess these facilities both with our internal teams and independent experts and we have not identified any areas of concern at Paracatu. I'd now like to move to our operations in Nevada. Bald Mountain delivered another record year production of 285,000 ounces. Cost of…

Paul Tomory

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

Thanks very much, Lauren. As Paul mentioned earlier, 2018 was a significant year for our projects and aspiration teams. As we completed Phase 1 at Tasiast advanced execution of the Phase W and Vantage projects, completed the Gilmore FS and added a project to our development pipeline, initiated studies in Chile at La Coipa and Lobo Marte, and continue to advance our exploration programs at our priority targets. Let me start by giving an update on Phase W which is progressing well and remains on time and on budget. Pre-stripping is advancing well. We've encountered initial low-grade Phase W while ahead of schedule and are placing material on the existing heap leach pads. Construction of the mine infrastructure such as a truck shop, warehouse, wash bay and fuel island are all proceeding as planned and approximately 35% complete. Construction of the new leach pad is now approximately 80% complete and construction of the process circuit for the vertical carbon-in-column plant is approximately 50% complete. We expect to start commissioning of the process circuit in the second quarter. At the Vantage complex project, Bald Mountain construction is proceeding well with new heap leach pad about approximately 85% complete and UVC IC plan similar in design to the one around mountain is approximately 30% complete. Supporting infrastructure including the truck shop, warehouse and wash bay is now about 25% complete. Talking of economic but previously leach door on the new heap leach pad is underway with approximately 50% of the material move on to a segregated portion of the pad. Mining activities at Vantage have commenced and initial or is now being stockpiled in preparation for completion of the new heap leach pad. Project has experienced a few challenges, particularly with a very tight labor market in Nevada and severe winter weather.…

Paul Rollinson

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

Thanks, Paul. In closing, I want to thank our employees worldwide for their dedication and hard work and our shareholders for their continued support. Overall, I'm pleased with where we are as a company. Our portfolio in operating mines delivered solid results in 2018. We're looking forward to another strong year in 2019. We remain in a financial position and we continue to advance our numerous development projects. With that, operator, I'd now like to open up the call to questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Fahad Tariq from Crédit Suisse. Your line is open.

Fahad Tariq

Analyst

In your release you mentioned that the discussions with the Mauritanian government around Tasiast have centered on taxes, work permits, increasing opportunities for local suppliers. My question is from what you know today, how wide is the delta between what the government is looking for and what Kinross wants, and what would be the timeline for deciding whether to go with the original Phase 2 expansion or to pursue alternative measures?

Paul Rollinson

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

Sure, thanks. I'll take that. Look, I think again here, context is important. As you know, we received a letter last May. It was somewhat vague and as a result, we suspended activity on the Phase 2 while we got a better resolution and an understanding of where the government was coming from. Since then, a lot of good things have happened. I believe we're in a better place today. We were with that uncertainty back last May. We've had lots of meetings and as we indicated, it is those sorts of topics which I believe are not uncommon and we see those sorts of questions and in other countries. So, we're working through it. I would say again, I just repeat what's also very important as what we're not discussing, which is reopening our mining convention. So, I think as well the silver lining is as we've continued to complete the Phase 1 on time on budget and had it really an excellent transfer and ramp up, we've learned a bunch of things both in what we were doing on the Phase 1 and how the mill is performing. And that's given us the benefit of time to modify our thinking and analysis on the Phase 2 and how we might improve from our base case Phase 2. As to timing, -- look again, as I indicated, those studies we expect to complete towards mid-year. Our project financing is going very well and I expect that will be completed around mid-year. So I think the tone I would leave with you is lots of good things happening, good discussions and it's all leading us towards a mid-year kind of decision timeline.

Fahad Tariq

Analyst

That's really helpful. And just as a follow-up to switch gears a little bit on the M&A Front, which is the hot topic in mining now, can you describe what Kinross' investment criteria would be as it looks to some of these assets that are being divested by some of your peers? Maybe just some color on how you're thinking about and what would make a good investment or a good asset to add to the portfolio.

Paul Rollinson

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

Well, that's a pretty wide question. We do look, we have a team. It's the same DNA as our operations and technical folks. So we come at any opportunity with a lot of technical rigor. At the end of the day, it's about creating value for shareholders where we think we have strengths that we can bring to bear. When we look at opportunities is obviously technically, can we improve the operation, can we perhaps do a better job, then obviously, financially, there are certain instances whereby it'd be on the smaller end of the companies have run out of capital or are capital constrained. I think, again, the point I want to leave with you is discipline. We have a team, we do look, but really the only acquisition of significance that we've done in the past several years was the Bald and Round Mountain. And that's been a great deal for us. We've improved both those assets considerably and they've been good performers in our portfolio. So that's the kind of thing we try to look for when opportunities present themselves.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open.

Steven Butler

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

Well, thanks, operator. Good morning guys. Lauren, a question for you, if you don't mind. Paracatu had a whopping recovery of I think 81% in Q4. How comfortable are you with the sustainability of near 80% recovery going forward?

Lauren Roberts

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

So, yes we had an excellent recovery, best in many years through the plant and it's the combination of a lot of work by the operating team there to better understand the performance of the plant and how it reacts to different ores. So we've got a lot more control over what we're feeding to the plant, how we feed it to the plant, and how it responds in the plant and how we react to it. So I would say, it's safe to say that we're going to see recoveries at a higher level than we saw in the past several years. One of the things that contributed in Q4 to the high recovery is, mining in the southwest corner of the pit, an area we call Tank-C, it's the main part of the ore body; so it's thicker mineralization, it's more consistent, less edge of facts [ph] and generally higher sulfide. So we tend to see better recoveries from that. So I wouldn't bank on that level of Q4 recovery always but I would say we are going to see higher recoveries going forward.

Steven Butler

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

Okay, thanks, Lauren. I almost fell off my chair.

Lauren Roberts

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

Well, I'm happy to hear that.

Steven Butler

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

Paul Tomory on Chile; of course, looked like it was a bit of a problem child back when you guys decided to sort of mouth-ball [ph] it several years ago. What confidence do you have in Phase 7 restart or is that just a stepping stone to the bigger prize, maybe in Lobo Marte? And do you expect -- I mean, I can't remember how much ounces we are talking about in phase 7 in La Coipa if you can clarify that? And any -- just high level thoughts you have towards La Coipa/Lobo?

Paul Tomory

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

Yes, Steven. So when we shutdown La Coipa we were still in the process of drilling the Phase 7 deposits; so at the time it wasn't available for mining, so it was the right decision from a capital discipline point of view to shut La Coipa down. Since then, and this is going back four, five years; we drilled out Phase 7 and added close to 1 million ounces there of equivalent reserves between gold and silver. And the feasibility study is focused on mining out Phase 7 but we're also assessing the opportunities for potentially mining a couple other remainant ore bodies there though the focus of the FS will be Phase 7. But as you quite correctly pointed out, our strategy in Chile is to use La Coipa as the start of a longer term return to production in Chile where we would hope to roll from La Coipa into Lobo Marte, we're treating them as sequential projects. But the FS is focused on refurbishment of the mill there, mining out Phase 7 and in parallel assessing other potential opportunities at La Coipa. So we're pretty happy with how things are going and as Paul mentioned, we will be finishing that in the third quarter.

Steven Butler

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

Paul Senior, Rollinson; Paul do you have a view -- so, just to clarify your talks with Mauritanian government, there is no -- and you're not interested in re-opening the money convention, and are they also not interesting specifically reopening the money convention; it's just around the edges of these as a request?

Paul Rollinson

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

That's correct, that is what they have told us is that they have no intention of reopening that convention.

Steven Butler

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

Okay

Paul Rollinson

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

And these are -- again, I -- we've tried to give a flavor for the kinds of things we're discussing. They are important to us and we want to resolve them and we think we'll get there, it takes time but again, it's -- as I say, it's as important as to what we're not discussing with them which is -- there has been no suggestion of wholesale change with respect to watch what's protected under that convention.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from a line of Greg Barnes from TD Securities.

Greg Barnes

Analyst · Greg Barnes from TD Securities

Yes, thank you. Just on the success you've had with Phase 1, how far can you push throughput? I know you've got off your very large SAG mill but I assume flotation capacity kind of backs you up there?

Lauren Roberts

Analyst · Greg Barnes from TD Securities

Yes, we're really, really pleased with the rapid ramp up and subsequent throughput that we're achieving in the plant. And I would say that the kind of performance we saw in the fourth quarter is certainly something that we think we can sustain going forward. In terms of the ultimate capacity of the plant, we're still working through that. We've got a number of debottlenecking projects, small scale things that will make incremental gains and we'll keep banging away on those things over the course of the year. I don't want to guess where we'll end up but it's -- I would like it to rebuilding an engine, we're just getting the ring seeded and we're going to step on the throttle here see what we can do.

Greg Barnes

Analyst · Greg Barnes from TD Securities

So in terms of Phase 2, Phase 1.5, is the focus now more just adding a little bit more grinding capacity on some flotation rather than going to the whole scale hundred -- whole scale bigger expansion?

Paul Tomory

Analyst · Greg Barnes from TD Securities

Greg, we're looking at two things. So the objective of the studies right now; first is, to look at what steps we can take on incremental debottlenecking, so exactly what you said, where can we add capacity to incrementally increase throughput? The second objective of the study is to make a reduction of capital in the 30K design, and we're progressing on both of those. So, we have both incremental development, as well as capital reductions in the ultimate 30K design that we're working on. And the -- one of the benefits over the last year in the operations over the last quarter in a bit has given us more confidence in what the plant can do and it's allowing us to target capital reductions like I said in the ultimate 30K design.

Greg Barnes

Analyst · Greg Barnes from TD Securities

So the 30K design is ultimately where you want to get to?

Paul Tomory

Analyst · Greg Barnes from TD Securities

It is our reserve, it is where we ultimately are planning from a project perspective.

Greg Barnes

Analyst · Greg Barnes from TD Securities

And Paul Rollinson, just a follow-up again on this Mauritanian issue. With the presidential election coming up I believe in June in Mauritania; is that going to slow this process down or it will be well into the second half of the year before you think you can get something done?

Paul Rollinson

Analyst · Greg Barnes from TD Securities

Look, I -- yes, that's a good point Greg. There is going to be an election process. Our experience from last summer, this is a presidential election as you pointed, last summer there was more of a regional election process. There is no question it can be distracting. Our ability to get meetings and have discussions will most likely be more challenged, candidly, as they're more focused on the electoral process. But -- again, I believe we'll be able to keep moving things forward and I don't think we're looking for game changing outcomes here. We'll continue to work with the government but absolutely there will be some distraction on their part.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Carey MacRury from Canaccord.

Carey MacRury

Analyst · Carey MacRury from Canaccord

Hi, good morning just another question on Tasiast, I noticed in the growth CapEx you've got about $60 million of growth capital not including the stripping. I'm just wondering is that related more to Phase 1 -- work-related Phase 1 or is that kind of moving the ball forward on an ultimate extension for Phase 2 or Phase 1.5?

Tony Giardini

Analyst · Carey MacRury from Canaccord

It's really related to the ongoing stripping activities that we have at Tasiast, so as we've highlighted we have about $180 million of stripping that's going to be happening this year; so it relates to equipment associated with that stripping and rebuilding associated with, and then incrementally there is approximately $10 million related to alternative studies that we're looking at that our focus primarily on throughput, such really what makes up the bulk of it.

Carey MacRury

Analyst · Carey MacRury from Canaccord

Okay. And then maybe on cash costs at Tasiast, you mentioned they were high in the quarter, ultimately I think with Phase 1 you're expecting to get that down into the $500 range. Is there anything that you've wanted to know on the cost side or cost inputs have gone up that you know you think that is just -- you think you'll still be able get that sort of level?

Tony Giardini

Analyst · Carey MacRury from Canaccord

Yes, I think one of the things that maybe I'll start and if Lauren and Paul want to chime-in, they can. I think one of the things that we highlighted in our release was just what was happening with respect to the purchase of fuel in Mauritania. So we're entitled to a tax exemption on fuel as part of our mining convention, unfortunately, the government hasn't been processing the paperwork that relates to our fuel purchases and we've had to purchase what we would call non-exonerated fuel to maintain operations. In other words, we're paying duties on fuel that we would have otherwise expected not to pay. And you know, this really relates to the government expressing concerns about whether all the fuel is being used in our mining activities and we've done our own studies and accounted for the bulk for the use of fuel in our activities. Now, these issues have arisen in the past and they've eventually been resolved and our hope is that obviously we started discussing it with the government in '18, and we'll hopefully get to a reasonable resolution. But I would say that that is a big contributing factor on the operating cost side in terms of the additional costs that we incurred in the fourth quarter.

Carey MacRury

Analyst · Carey MacRury from Canaccord

What would be the sort of level of duties that you'd be paying?

Paul Rollinson

Analyst · Carey MacRury from Canaccord

So, for 2018, the cumulative cost of duties were about $30 million and it's probably split equally between amount. So it would have been capitalized as capital stripping $15 million and the balance would have gone through the P&L as operating costs.

Carey MacRury

Analyst · Carey MacRury from Canaccord

And then maybe one other question on Bald Mountain. We've got Vantage ramping up this year. Can you talk a little bit about how we expect that production to evolve over the year between the North and the South?

Lauren Roberts

Analyst · Carey MacRury from Canaccord

Sure. Happy to do that. And that is Lauren here. So, we will be transitioning mining from the North Area operations to the South Area operations in the first quarter of the year. So we're kind of in a bit of a wind-down mode in the North and a windup mode in the South. So the way I would look at this is we will see lower Q1 production as we make that transition. Q1, will probably about 15% of the full year and then it will ramp up from there. And we should be roughly evenly weighted between North and South -- I'm sorry, between first half and second half, assuming the ramp up goes as expected, it might be a little bit heavier toward the second half.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mike Parkin from National Bank. Your line is open.

Michael Parkin

Analyst · Mike Parkin from National Bank. Your line is open

With the fairly significant capital spin at Tasiast stripping, is that something that could continue into 2020 or is that largely kind of getting cleaned up this year and sets you up well for the near term?

Lauren Roberts

Analyst · Mike Parkin from National Bank. Your line is open

As per the FS, we capitalize the stripping until mid-2020.

Michael Parkin

Analyst · Mike Parkin from National Bank. Your line is open

So currently, can we expect kind of a similar for roughly in like $90-ish million for first half of 2020?

Lauren Roberts

Analyst · Mike Parkin from National Bank. Your line is open

Yes. Divide that number by two. Yes, that's about right.

Michael Parkin

Analyst · Mike Parkin from National Bank. Your line is open

All right, and you've already indicated to expect a slightly softer Q1, is there any major outages planned at your core assets throughout the year that we should kind of take into account?

Lauren Roberts

Analyst · Mike Parkin from National Bank. Your line is open

Well, Mike, this is Lauren again. There's always certain outages that have to happen in the course of the year to maintain the primary equipment. And so where you would see that manifest itself most obviously is when we take a SAG mill down for a reline or a re-torque or whatever it might be. But those are built into our production schedule. So, what you would see in guidance from us accounts for those kinds of outages. So all the planned stuff is built in.

Michael Parkin

Analyst · Mike Parkin from National Bank. Your line is open

Okay. And then just one last question. So, you kind of mentioned that you're about to step on the gas at Tasiast. Can you give us an idea of what the 2019 guidance is based on in terms of the throughput for Phase 1?

Lauren Roberts

Analyst · Mike Parkin from National Bank. Your line is open

Sure. So we took a look at Q4, which I think right now would be a pretty good proxy for a sustainable run rate. And then we accounted for some other things that we think are important and those other things are reflected in our guidance. And what are those other things? They're things like, as I just mentioned, we know we will need to take the mill down for reline for couple times this year, but what we don't have is a long operating history with that SAG mill. You know, there are other big SAG operations. We have long operating histories, we understand how the ore interacts with the lining packages and on that sort of thing, we don't have that history at Tasiast yet. We also have a big power system in place to support that large SAG mill. And again, we don't have a long operating history with that power system in its current configuration. So we've taken a somewhat conservative approach with respect to those maintenance activities. And that's reflected in our guidance. A couple other things to keep in mind. We're operating at an elevated cutoff grade right now relative to the resource model. And so the consequence of that is that there's some delusion coming into the system and that affects grade to the mill. And I think the last point I'd just draw your attention to is that we do have a collective labor agreement coming up for negotiation this year and as is the case in any CLA, there's some potential for work stoppages. So we've taken all of that into consideration in our guidance and that's how we're looking at the year.

Michael Parkin

Analyst · Mike Parkin from National Bank. Your line is open

Thanks. Can you remind me off the top of your head how the last labor contract went? In terms, was there any kind of lost days of production?

Lauren Roberts

Analyst · Mike Parkin from National Bank. Your line is open

Yes. I think it was -- I wasn't running the operation at that point in time, but my recollection, it was about a month.

Michael Parkin

Analyst · Mike Parkin from National Bank. Your line is open

Okay. And when was that, do you know?

Lauren Roberts

Analyst · Mike Parkin from National Bank. Your line is open

More than three years ago.

Paul Rollinson

Analyst · Mike Parkin from National Bank. Your line is open

Yes. Fifteen, maybe.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Tanya Jakusconek from Scotiabank. Your line is open.

Tanya Jakusconek

Analyst · Tanya Jakusconek from Scotiabank. Your line is open

I just wanted to ask a question on the Mauritania and the presidential race and maybe someone can give us some insight in terms of what you're hearing and in terms of the candidates and views on mining, et cetera.

Paul Rollinson

Analyst · Tanya Jakusconek from Scotiabank. Your line is open

Okay. I think we don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves in terms of speculating certainly about an election. All we know at this point is the constitution indicates you can stand for president for two cycles and the current president has indicated he'll be retiring. As you will recall, perhaps that political party, the UPR Party has won democratically the last two elections and at some point, we suspect maybe later in March there'll be a new representative from the UPR Party that'll be put in place and that will start the process again for the election. But again, I think we would say we expect an orderly transition but beyond that, I guess our philosophy on these things is to just really try to stay out of the political side of things.

Tanya Jakusconek

Analyst · Tanya Jakusconek from Scotiabank. Your line is open

Now, it wasn't more just some insights in country in terms of some of the candidates and what they stand for et cetera.

Paul Rollinson

Analyst · Tanya Jakusconek from Scotiabank. Your line is open

I think they'll continue to be mining friendly to pick up on that point. Tanya, I mean, it is -- SNIM is a big component of the economy and they understand mining. And I think there'll be supportive of mining and foreign investment. I think as we've said on previous calls, there's been a strong push by the government to attract foreign investment, particularly in the offshore gas and they've signed a few licenses. So I think in general, Mauritania will continue to seek foreign investment in natural resources.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Lawson Winder from Bank of America, Merrill Lynch.

Lawson Winder

Analyst · Lawson Winder from Bank of America, Merrill Lynch

So, two for me, and I apologize to come back to this once again, but just on Mauritania with the discussions that you're having, I'm just curious, at what level are the meetings happening, both from the perspective of your side in the Mauritanian side? And then I apologize, I got on the call very late, but did you say that the project financing was dependent on the outcome of these discussions or not? And I'm sorry if that was already asked. Thanks very much.

Paul Rollinson

Analyst · Lawson Winder from Bank of America, Merrill Lynch

Sure. Let's start with the project financing. It's proceeding well. I think there's an alignment of interest. The IFC would like to proceed, we'd like to proceed and I think from the point of view of the government, I think they would like to see a successful project financing. Because I think from a government point of view, it's really an endorsement by the World Bank that you're project-financeable, which is a good thing to advertise in terms of bringing more foreign investment into the country. In terms of the discussions, we have a senior team, we have an in-country team, we have a senior team. And for the level of meetings and discussions, it's been primarily with the Minister of Mines. And that I think is the appropriate level Minister of Mines and his Deputy General, we call the DG, and I think we've got the right level of engagement from both our side as well as the government.

Operator

Operator

We have no further questions in queue. I'll turn the call back to Paul Rollinson for closing remarks.

Paul Rollinson

Analyst · Steven Butler from GMP Securities. Your line is open

Well, thank you, operator. And thanks, everyone for joining us today. We look forward to catching up with you all in person in the coming weeks and months. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.