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Ingredion Incorporated (INGR)

Q2 2020 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 4, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to Ingredion's Inc. Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference to your speaker today Tiffany Willis, Vice President Investor Relations and Corporate Communications Officer. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Tiffany Willis

Analyst

Thank you, Victor and good morning everyone and welcome to Ingredion's second quarter 2020 earnings call. I'm Tiffany Willis, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications Officer. On today's call are Jim Zallie, our President and CEO; and Jim Gray, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. We issued our results this morning in a press release that can be found on our website ingredion.com in the Investors section. The slides accompanying this presentation can also be found on the website and were posted a few hours ago for your convenience. As a reminder our comments within this presentation may contain forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties. These statements include expectations and assumptions regarding the company's future operations and financial performance including the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic. Actual results could differ materially from those predicted in the forward-looking statements and Ingredion assumes no obligation to update them in the future as or if circumstances change. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed during today's conference call or in this morning's press release can be found in the company's most recently filed annual report on Form 10-K and subsequent reports Forms 10-Q and 8-K. During this call we also refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures including adjusted earnings per share, adjusted operating income and adjusted effective tax rate which are reconciled to U.S. GAAP measures in Note two non-GAAP information included in our press release and in today's presentation appendix. And with that I'm now pleased to turn the call over to Jim Zallie.

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Thank you, Tiffany and good morning everyone. Back in early May when we last updated you, our world and our industry were all still coming to grips with the impact of the global pandemic. While the uncertainty has persisted, Ingredion has remained an essential business in the food supply chain continuing to provide a secure supply of ingredients to customers and meet their changing needs. I am proud that over the last six months, our employees have risen to the challenges demonstrating preparedness, persistence and resilience which has enabled us to continue to progress our strategy through these unprecedented times. The three priorities that we established from the beginning have continued to guide our actions. Our first priority for employees safety, health and wellness has allowed us to operate our facilities and continued to seamlessly meet the needs of our customers while quickly, creatively and productively adapting to new ways of working. Second, our role during these times as a responsible corporate citizen has brought us even closer to the communities in which we operate, reinforcing the already strong local bonds and connections we have always had. Third, we have delivered on our commitment to maintain business continuity and I'm pleased that our employees have embraced the necessary changes and disruptions from the pandemic as opportunities to reimagine and reinvent our approach to customers and deliver value in new and different ways all while ensuring supply chain reliability and uninterrupted service. I could not be more proud and appreciative of the dedication caring and spirit of our global employees and I want to thank them for embodying the essence of our purpose at Ingredion to make life better. Now turning our attention to the second quarter. We operated in an extremely challenging global environment. As COVID-19 cases increased, government responses…

Jim Gray

Analyst

Thanks Jim. Net sales of $1,349 million were down 13% for the quarter versus prior year. Gross profit margin was 20.1%, down 110 basis points. Reported and adjusted operating incomes were $113 million and $127 million respectively. Reported operating income was lower than adjusted operating income due to asset closures and restructuring costs related to cost mark. Our reported and adjusted earnings per share were $0.98 and $1.12 respectively. Second quarter net sales of $1,349 million were down 13% versus prior year. We experienced negative foreign exchange impacts of $59 million. Sales volume decline of $183 million, primarily driven by COVID-19 impacts around the world was partially offset by $41 million of favorable price/mix. In North America, net sales were down 13% versus prior year, due to sales volume decline of negative 15%. South America net sales were down 19% primarily driven by a negative impact of 18% from foreign exchange. Sales volume decline of 11% was nearly offset by 10 percentage points of favorable price/mix. In Asia-Pacific net sales were down 8% as pressure was felt from foreign currency weakness and sales volume decline. Unfavorable price/mix reflects lower tapioca raw material costs in ASEANI and related pricing to customers. EMEA net sales were down 8% primarily driven by foreign currency weakness in Pakistan. Sales volume declines in Pakistan outweighed the rest of the region, however, the region did deliver strong price mix. For the quarter reported operating income decreased by $55 million, while adjusted operating income decreased by $51 million. The decrease in reported operating income versus adjusted operating income is primarily due to asset closures in our North America potato network and restructuring costs related to Cost Smart. Operating income declined in each region, as Jim referenced earlier. The increase in corporate costs for the quarter was driven…

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Thanks, Jim. As we navigate this challenging environment, we remain steadfast and focused on advancing our driving growth road map, and positioning our company for long-term success. We've made substantial progress across our specialty growth platforms, and I'm very pleased with the increasing breadth and depth of capabilities we are building for each of them. Our sugar reduction platform has evolved immensely with the addition of PureCircle. The acquisition of the leading global player in the stevia space will benefit us significantly over time. PureCircle allows us to further build out our sugar reduction capabilities with an expanded global presence. PureCircle had revenues ending its fiscal year of June 30, 2020, of $101 million. We expect to achieve both cost synergies of greater than 10% and additional revenue synergies starting in the second half of this year. Longer term, we expect to achieve high single-digit revenue growth. After a very challenging last 12 months for the PureCircle organization now having stability and a bright future to look forward to as part of the Ingredion family opens up a new energizing chapter for the team. We held an excellent virtual day one integration kickoff and are very impressed with the PureCircle talent and expertise. Turning to plant-based proteins. Our South Sioux City manufacturing facility to produce pea protein isolate is scheduled to commission in the second half of this year. I recently had a chance to visit the facility and was very impressed with the overall site progress and caliber of the team that we have assembled at this new location. The project remains on schedule with primary construction complete and the facility is entering the phases of commissioning and certification. And I'm looking forward to hosting members of our Board at the facility next month. Our other investment in pulse-based…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from line of Ben Bienvenu from Stephens. You may begin.

Ben Bienvenu

Analyst

Hey, thanks, good morning, everybody.

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Good morning, Ben.

Jim Gray

Analyst

Good morning.

Ben Bienvenu

Analyst

I want to ask first about the North America business. So I appreciate the monthly cadence around sales. If we could just use that kind of June period exit rate as a rough proxy for volume. On a weighted average basis it looks like 3Q volume could be down kind of mid- to low single-digits. If that math is roughly correct, it looks like the margin compression implied by your overall guidance that you talked through is substantially less than 2Q. Is that just a function of better fixed cost absorption with volumes being down less than you saw in 2Q? Is it net corn cost? Could you just elaborate on what looks to be a recovery in margins? And then any elaboration on the severity of the margin compression in 2Q in North America would be helpful because that was surprising to us.

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Yes. Let me take a shot at that and then turn it over to Jim to maybe give even some more rounded out color on this. So for North America with operating income being down $38 million versus prior year two-thirds of that decrease was driven by the U.S., Canada where the government restrictions and limited consumer mobility and away-from-home consumption of food and beverages led to lower sales volumes and unfavorable fixed cost absorption. To partially offset the impact of that lower fixed cost absorption, we did optimize our plant network during the quarter short-term shutdowns, reduced discretionary spending and reduced maintenance where possible. We also incurred in the quarter $5 million directly related to COVID workplace-related measures. About $2.5 million of that was appreciation pay, which was given for approximately two months which rolled off at the end of May. The remaining of the decrease was driven by Mexico where the government mandate declaring brewing as nonessential really significantly impacted our sales volumes and fixed cost absorption. Going forward in quarter three in North America based on the exit rates we've seen and based on things getting a little bit more steady and normal, we see much improved fixed cost absorption. And Jim, I'm going to turn it over to you to talk about the net corn equation.

Jim Gray

Analyst

Sure. Ben the -- as we saw through the Q2 we would have had placed hedges on corn purchases that we had in the fall of last year as we see moving into Q3 we'll see an improved gross corn cost. And then also I would say that for co-product values, gluten meal and oil remained elevated. And then we saw that those values start to decline anyway towards the end of June. So going into Q3 we'll see an improved net corn costs relative to prior year and also sequentially.

Jim Zallie

Analyst

And Benefit, I would just add a little bit more color in regards to say the negative surprise for North America in comparison to the outlook we provided in early May. We were coming off of two robust months for food start sales and food consumed at home at the time. There was a significant decrease in demand that then manifested itself suddenly in May and we believe that had -- that was related to our customers rebalancing their inventories and possibly less elevated pantry loading. And then the Mexican brewing shutdowns at the time in early May, we thought we're going to be lifted by the end of May and they continue pretty much through the entire quarter, which was very surprising for us.

Ben Bienvenu

Analyst

Very, very helpful. Thank you for the detail. Corporate expenses were also a bit of a surprise. I think last -- we got an update from you. You were thinking that line item would be up high single digits for the balance of the year. Is that still the case for the balance of the back half of the year? And if 2Q was a surprise to the high side, could you talk about maybe why? And is there potential for that to occur in the back half relative to whatever your new expectation may be?

Jim Zallie

Analyst

No. I mean, corporate costs were not -- they weren't higher as a surprise. We -- prior to the acquisition announcement of PureCircle, we incurred legal fees and fees related to the transaction and those hit the quarter. Then once we announced the transaction and anything while we were waiting for the vote and regulatory then those expenses will be put towards the acquisition and integration costs. So you had some of that impacting Q2 prior to the April announcement of the acquisition. And other than that what we see is just -- it's just last year, we would have had probably an appropriate adjustment in bonus accrual. And this year we're continuing and we'll look at kind of what our outlook is as we think about when is the appropriate timing for that.

Ben Bienvenu

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, Jim. So would you -- in light of that, would you expect corporate expenses to still be up high single digits as you had previously called out?

Jim Zallie

Analyst

For Q3, yes, that would be in line with where we're thinking.

Ben Bienvenu

Analyst

Okay, perfect. Thanks so much. I’ll get back in the queue.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Robert Moskow from Credit Suisse. You may begin.

Robert Moskow

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking question. Couple of things. Can you help us quantify what the exit rate in sales was in North America? You said it got better in June and better in July. Maybe is it still down low single digit in July just maybe a little more clarity there? And then secondly, actually I have a few more questions. But the second question is PureCircle you called it a turnaround. Can you go a little deeper into what are the problems with business? Are there also challenges in just the overall stevia business? My sense is it has become rather commoditized. So do you have a good line of sight as to what you need to fix at that company in order to return it to grow?

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Okay. So let me take the North America question and then ask Jim to maybe add some color or commentary on that and then I'll take the PureCircle and then you equally have his commentary on that. So for North America exit rate, obviously, sales bounced back very strongly in June and that's carrying through into July. Away-from-home is going to depressed in our opinion. And when we look at what our exposure in North America is to food service we have estimated that food starches are a little bit more exposed than sweeteners. And overall it's about 25. So the exit rate in the U.S., Canada market was probably down -- still down low single digits. And in Mexico to mid-single digits, I would say as it declined. And that's expected given the COVID case situation in Mexico. So hopefully that helps. Jim any other commentary in regards to the exit rate and the go forward?

Jim Gray

Analyst

Yes. The only thing I'd add is that Rob and to all listening what we continue to look at is how much inventories of our customers' products need to be rebuilt on shelves as well as customers anticipating, whether or not they need to also then build inventories as we look at potential changes in behavior going into Q3. But we have seen I think a strong rebound in June as we were exiting the quarter. And that's right. So that's the type of volume rates that we're seeing volumes -- sales volumes.

Robert Moskow

Analyst

Before we go to PureCircle does that all add up to a low single-digit number for North America in July? You gave us the components but we don't know the percentages would be...

Jim Gray

Analyst

Yes. Well again what I'm going to say is in July what we see is -- I think we still see some recovery in industries like brewing and within Mexico. And then as we see different segments within food service like QSR start back up you're seeing some pull for different either beverage syrups or other types of ingredients that support products that go into QSRs in particular.

Jim Zallie

Analyst

July beverage sales for us in Mexico is actually stronger than prior year. But again food consumed away-from-home and reduce mobility is impacting overall volumes in Mexico.

Jim Gray

Analyst

Yes. Yes.

Robert Moskow

Analyst

Well I'm just going to assume, it's still down low single-digit group for North America. Okay. So PureCircle?

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Okay. On PureCircle obviously, we're very pleased with the acquisition from a standpoint of the quality of the asset-based on its leadership position in the field of stevia, its innovation capabilities and it's technology that we've acquired. So we're very, very pleased with that. It's no secret that PureCircle had a very difficult 12 months prior to us acquiring the business. And what we've seen is a lot of opportunity in relationship to delivering cost synergies to leverage the sales and go-to-market network of Ingredion to expand its global presence and reach. And especially the reputation with customers because the business had been hampered for about 12 months with a lot of uncertainty and that uncertainty spilled over to its customers. And with us coming in, given our reputation and equally some of the ingredients that complement its portfolio for sugar reduction has already helped immensely from a standpoint of the customer connectivity and the opportunities that that presents. In addition on the cost synergy side, there's obviously opportunities from a standpoint of SG&A savings. But in addition, there's opportunities to improve its cost of goods sold specifically with higher yielding -- executing on higher-yielding agronomics. We have a lot of experience, given our understanding of agricultural commodities. And so we believe that those two elements are going to enable us to earn that business around in a little bit more in 12 months plus.

Robert Moskow

Analyst

Got it. Okay. My last question. That's a pretty big capital investment in China. You said you're doing it because your customers prefer local sourcing. But you've been operating there for many years and you've been pursuing an export model into China for raw materials. Will this new model being lower cost, or will it be higher cost because I think corn is inherently higher cost in the country?

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Yes. No, I just want to kind of correct you, Rob. The majority of our sales in China have come from locally sourced product other than say tapioca for industrial starch that would make its way into China coming from Thailand. But most of the product was being manufactured at our two manufacturing facilities in China. It was just logical given the growth in the country as well as the reputation we have with customers and the customers saying, we would feel most comfortable going forward with you having a larger local presence and capacity to continue to supply our needs. So for us it was logical to expand one of those facilities which is vertically integrated into the local corn supply chain to produce specialty food starches for the growing market. It's also noteworthy to point out that over the last 18 months, tariffs of modified food starch into China related to the dispute between China and the U.S. have increased. So this obviously would avoid those tariffs. So from a delivered cost in country, this will actually be more economical for us and allow us to be most competitive, and meet the local customer requirements to source more product locally.

Robert Moskow

Analyst

Yes. That's what I was referring to. Last year I remember those tariffs hurt your business. And I was wondering if it locally sourcing is helping you obviate that issue or not. But I can take that offline. Thanks.

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Yes. There's -- and then there's obviously benefits from a sustainability standpoint and shipping of the product across the water, et cetera. So just overall the investment made good sense for us.

Robert Moskow

Analyst

All right. Thank you very much.

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Thank you, Rob.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Heather Jones from Heather Jones Research. You may begin.

Heather Jones

Analyst

Good morning. Thank you for taking the questions.

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Hi, Heather.

Heather Jones

Analyst

I just have a couple. I was wondering in Mexico and this may be impossible, but I just thought I'd ask. Is it -- could you give us a sense of how much of the weakness you're seeing there is COVID related limitations on movement, the breweries, et cetera? And do you get a sense of some of it's just the economy is weaker? And if you could just parse out those too? I'm trying to -- that would color how the -- how that region will recover. I'm just wondering if you have a sense of what's driving each -- which of those is driving it?

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Yes. I would say that in the quarter the -- obviously, the government-mandated brewing shutdowns hit us very acutely, because those breweries were just shutdown and could not operate. Now that's been lifted and we're seeing the volume as I just indicated to Rob coming back very strongly with July up even versus prior year. So that's a good sign. I do think that high number of COVID cases in Mexico is hampering mobility and is hampering obviously travel and that hampers discretionary spending on things like confectionery and food consumed away-from-home. So you're seeing that perhaps a little bit harsher impact than even in U.S., Canada for the quarter, but we're seeing it recover. And overall, I think, the Mexican food market has always proven for us as a very strong local supplier to be a very robust market for the kind of products that we supply. So we're hopeful that that's going to continue to progress in quarter two.

Heather Jones

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And then a quick detailed question. The Q3 guidance for a mid-teens declining and consolidated EBIT. I just wanted to make sure that includes the PureCircle losses?

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Yes, it does.

Heather Jones

Analyst

Okay. And then finally just thinking about what you guys thinking about what's going on with the net corn side, what you're doing with PureCircle, how these different regions are recovering? And then what you're doing in your footprint? Could you give us a sense -- and I know it's really early, but just based on what you know now, could you give us a sense of what you're thinking as far as 2021? I mean, do you think you will be able to have fully recovered from this COVID impact just with adapting, or just if you could just share with us any initial thoughts you're having about 2021?

Jim Zallie

Analyst

I think that as it relates to 2021, what we're watching very closely is what the forecasts are for food consumed away-from-home, as well as how governments around the world collectively manage the health crisis, the pandemic and whether we have a second wave or not and that's where all the uncertainty comes in. So those are the key – the key determinant is obviously, the prevalence of COVID cases in the countries in which we operate as well as the impact that's going to have on mobility and food service and food consumed away-from-home. We believe we're going to continue to see elevated levels of consumption of food consumed at home. So our sales to customers that supply for food at retail and at home were feeling very good about. We think that industries like brewing will actually do well and have proven to do well when there's a bounce back and we think that that will continue so we're pretty confident about that. The big question mark is about how long food consumed away-from-home will remain depressed. And there are some forecasts that that will continue at a subdued rate but a slightly increased rate year-on-year in 2021 but not getting back perhaps to 2019 levels until 2022. We're watching those forecasts like everyone else and it's just very hard to predict and everybody is hopeful of course about a vaccine and what that's going to mean. So it's just very hard to predict Heather really is.

Jim Gray

Analyst

And Heather, I mean that's the – as you think about the top line and what we're thinking for 2021, I also would say that in terms of our cost of materials we're watching the different flow of demands of agro products. Recently you've seen, China making some unprecedented corn purchases, some unprecedented soybean purchases. And so clearly that has an effect an impact on the potential values for whole products in the United States for 2021. So looking at cost of materials. And obviously, thinking about the corn crop and the size of the corn crop this year and the carryout. And then also I think the third area is just continuing to advancing our growth initiatives. So where we – you mentioned PureCircle and your preface to your question, but really just continuing in this remote way to being able to advance our growth initiatives wherever they may be in the world. And so I think that we've learned in the last four, five months how to work with teams remotely and locally. And luckily we have a great local footprint in many countries with employees in those countries. And so that enables us to continue to get in and work things like integrations as well as projects where we're restructuring or reshaping organization.

Heather Jones

Analyst

Okay. That’s very helpful. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Ken Zaslow from Bank of Montreal. You may begin.

Ken Zaslow

Analyst

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Hi, Ken.

Ken Zaslow

Analyst

I'm going to – let me just expand on Heather's question in a second. Let's say food service does kind of come down at a certain level, say 5%, 10% because you don't have a full recovery of the food service sector. How did your model adjust? And how does your utilization rates adjust? Can you be flexing? Does it change the longer-term story or the longer-term growth rate here? How do we think about it in the event that food service capacity likely will not be at the same level it was pre-COVID?

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Yes. Jim you want to take that one?

Jim Gray

Analyst

Ken, I just look at it in that when you're making ingredients that broadly go into food and beverage. We're just looking at okay, now where is the eating occasion and how are our customers adjusting, right? So while long-term food service in 2021 or 2022 might not return fully to the 2019 levels. Generally the populations are growing and you're going to have assumption therefore in home. And so we look to our customers where they're going to look at innovation and meal preparation in home and believe that there's still a desire by consumers for healthier ingredients. And we believe that we can supply those ingredients whether it's pulse-based proteins or our food starches or our very functional specialty ingredients into those types of solutions.

Jim Zallie

Analyst

And there are actions also Ken that, we are taking and can take in relationship to the cost side of the equation in our network. So we highlight it for example, the consolidation of our potato starch network in North America this past quarter, with the closure of one of our facilities. And that was a facility that had exposure, which supplied coatings into better and breaded type products, which find their way into food service applications. So those are the kind of things that we also can flex to a degree, especially when the volumes are down maybe on food service, which is a minor proportion of our overall business maybe mid-single digits or so. There is a couple of things that we can do.

Jim Gray

Analyst

And Ken just to highlight, I think this was maybe I don't know ag CAGNY presentation almost two years ago. When you think about what was the challenge in food service it was as you get more curbside pickup as you get more delivery the temperature and the taste of the ingredients needs to replicate, what it is when it's in restaurant serves to your table. Our ingredients help with that, right? And so much of the talk within the restaurants and whatnot is do you get temperatures maintaining? Does it work well in the packaging? And I think that's a – we've highlighted this –

Jim Zallie

Analyst

So that provides an opportunity for innovation going forward to deliver the highest quality product, when it gets to the consumer from a standpoint of the convenience factor and contactless pickup and delivery.

Ken Zaslow

Analyst

Do you think there will be a milestone or something that you will have to trigger another network optimization, or do you think that flexing the different parts and being able to adapt in this environment is enough? Just trying to think about, how you think about your entire network over the next one to two years or even longer term?

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Yeah. Not right now. I think that, we have taken actions in recent years as you know to trim our network. And we think that, that's helped us better prepare for a situation like this. And we think that, we can continue to optimize our manufacturing flex continue to work with the right customers that are going to develop innovative new products and capitalize on the opportunities presented by the pandemic. So not in the near-term do we have any plans like that.

Ken Zaslow

Analyst

Okay. And then my last question is, can you just comment on Brazil? And what you're seeing down there? And is there a stabilization of how your business is just kind of giving us a parameter for there? And then, I'll leave it there and I appreciate it.

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Yeah. Sure. So let me just talk about overall South America for a moment. So South America year-over-year, our net sales were down 19% in the quarter, but that was driven, primarily by foreign exchange weakness in Brazil and in Colombia. The net sales volume was down 11% due to government restrictions, which really hampered the away-from-home consumption of food and beverages. And that was offset by very strong pricing with price/mix up 10%. And if it wasn't for the foreign exchange year-over-year operating income was actually up in South America by 6% for the quarter. For the third quarter, we expect sequential improvement in operating income. However, that operating income change is still going to be down year-on-year. And a lot really, the story of South America is related to the prevalence of the virus. As you know, Brazil has more than 2.7 million cases, Peru has 400,000 cases – north of 400,000 and Colombia north of 300,000 cases. Colombia just extended its lockdown through the end of August. So that is hampering just mobility and food consumed away-from-home. On a piece of brighter news, this morning I think we all saw that the Argentine government has reached an agreement with its creditors, so that kind of bodes well for a little bit more of a removes a piece of uncertainty from the Argentine economy going forward. But really, the story for South America is we're seeing recovery, but the pandemic as well as it being the winter season down there had made it a little bit challenging and more difficult to predict let's say going forward.

Ken Zaslow

Analyst

Great. I appreciate it.

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Thank you, Ken.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Adam Samuelson from Goldman Sachs. You may begin.

Adam Samuelson

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning everyone. I guess first, I wanted to just ask and get your view on your customers' inventories. And I guess, you made some comments about the inventories on shelf for the at-home products, but more just in terms of -- in their manufacturing footprint. I guess I'm struck when I look at the monthly sales trends in North America. It seems like your sales bottomed later than a lot of the sell-through and kind of the channel disruptions that would have happened sweetener sales. And sell-through was worse in April. Your sweetener sale didn't bottom until May. And just, any sense or kind of caution around the June recovery being inventory restocking on the part of your customers in terms of their input purchases or just any framing there?

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Yes. I would say it's just very hard to predict in conversations that I have had with customers. The supply chain in the food industry is extensive. And everyone is taking decisions trying to read the tea leaves of the consumer and changing their ordering in different ways and that's rippling through the entire supply chain. So, I think we're going to see it be bumpy going forward. Jim, I don't know if you have any color that you'd like to add?

Jim Gray

Analyst

Yes. Just Adam, I mean the uncertainty around customers in terms of just how much ingredients might have been needed for foods that were going towards in-home uses that uncertainty was in March, right? And so, you really saw kind of more of that demand I think in March in inventory and definitely building there. So, I don't think it's to the premise of your question. I think the optimizing of customer inventories was more a result of actions taken in March or April that then impacted us in May.

Adam Samuelson

Analyst

Okay. All right. That's helpful. And then, just a clarification question on PureCircle, Jim Gray, I think you had said mid single digit negative and I wanted to just make sure that's -- that percent margins or EBIT dollars? I just wanted to make sure that we're characterizing that. And is that a quarterly number, or is that an annual expectation for the next 12 months?

Jim Gray

Analyst

That was an op margin number for the next 12 months.

Adam Samuelson

Analyst

Okay. All right. That's very helpful. I appreciate the color. I’ll pass it on. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Jim Zallie for any further remarks.

Jim Zallie

Analyst

Okay. Thank you for your time today and I hope everyone continues to stay safe and healthy as we progress together through this next phase of the pandemic. Jim and I look forward to updating you during our next call. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.