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Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 2, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the ICF International Third Quarter 2017 Results Conference Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards you’ll be invited to participate in a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded on Thursday, November 2, 2017, and cannot be reproduced or rebroadcast without written permission from the company. And I would now like to turn the program over to Lynn Morgen. Please go ahead.

Lynn Morgen

Analyst

Thank you, Vanessa. Good afternoon, everyone. And thank you for joining us to review ICF’s third quarter 2017 performance. With us today from ICF are Sudhakar Kesavan, Chairman and CEO; John Wasson, President and COO; and James Morgan, CFO. During this conference call, we will make forward-looking statements to assist you in understanding ICF management’s expectations for our future performance. These statements are subject to a number of risks that could cause actual events and results to differ materially, and I refer you to our November 2, 2017 press release and our SEC filings for discussions of those risks. In addition, our statements during this call are based on our views as of today. We anticipate that future developments will cause our views to change. Please consider the information presented in that light. We may at some point elect to update the forward-looking statements made today, but specifically disclaim any obligation to do so. I will now turn the call over to ICF’s CEO, Sudhakar Kesavan to discuss third quarter 2017 performance. Sudhakar?

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst

Thank you, Lynn, and good afternoon, everyone. Our third quarter results have put us on track to achieve the full year 2017 revenue, EPS and cash flow guidance ranges that we provided in late February. In addition, our year-to-date contract wins and pipeline opportunities have set the stage for continued growth in 2018. We were pleased with third quarter operating profitability levels, our EBITDA margins were 10.1% on total revenues and 13.9% on service revenues, benefiting from several factors, including efficiencies in program performance and staff utilization, a favorable mix of high margin revenues and the initial effect of ongoing programs to reduce our administration and infrastructure costs that we have implemented. Third quarter revenue performance are stable with last year’s level, despite the impact of one less working day, which James will detail a little later, and revenues for the first nine months were up 1.4%. Similar to trends we discussed on our second quarter call, we continued to experience delays in pass-through revenues in Q3 on a handful of contracts with government clients. We expect these pass-through revenues to increase in the fourth quarter, which will result in a further shift in the historical seasonality of our revenue trend this year with the 2017 fourth quarter showing sequential revenue growth from third quarter levels. Excluding the impact of lower pass-through revenues, our federal government revenue remained essentially flat quarter-on-quarter and year-on-year. Expanding on existing contracts continue to pace. The volume or RFP releases waived agency by agency with some contract being extended rather than reconfigured on schedule. Within this environment which has been the norm for much of 2017, ICF another good quarter of contract wins and the dollar amount of the proposals we submitted in the first nine months of this year is up considerably from the…

John Wasson

Analyst

Thank you, Sudhakar. Good afternoon, everyone. Third quarter results demonstrated the benefits of our diversified business model and the strength of our key markets and a shift in the seasonality of our Federal Government business that we signaled last quarter. Excluding the impact of pass-through revenues, federal government revenues were basically flat year-on-year for both the third quarter and first nine months. This is in line with the expectations we had at the beginning of this year, given the impact of the change in administration and the uncertainty around budgets and staffing at certain agencies. Lower pass-through revenues that caused us to report a decline in total revenues from our federal government agency clients related to several different client contracts, including our largest contract with the Department of State. We expect to capture a portion of these and some additional pass-through revenues in the fourth quarter of this year, which will change this year’s seasonal revenue pattern. Approval of the fiscal 2017 budget in May elevated some of the bottlenecks at our federal government agency clients, fully indications of that fiscal 2018 federal civilian budgets will be similar to this year’s which should result in more certainty next year. As Sudhakar noted, the volume of RFPs continues to vary agency by agency. At the Department of Health and Human Services we are seeing an uptick in activity. We had three large contract wins at HHS in the third quarter. Two with the National Cancer Institute to provide a variety of communications support services, the other was a single award IDIQ recompete to continue the development and operation of the agency’s information gateway and technical assistance center for healthcare system preparedness and response. Additionally, ICF recently launched two very successful high profile campaigns for the center for disease control this year,…

James Morgan

Analyst

Thank you, John. Good afternoon, everyone. We are pleased to report that ICF’s third quarter metrics were broadly in line with our expectations heading into Q3 and we are well-positioned to achieve our full year guidance for 2017. With regard to our third quarter performance, total revenue was $305.3 million, slightly down from a $306.5 million we reported in last year’s third quarter, as one less working day reduced the current quarter revenues by an estimated $4.8 million. Service revenue of $221.8 million was also slightly down as compared to $223.2 million reported in last year’s third quarter, with one less day reducing current quarter service revenue by an estimated $3.5 million. U.S. Federal Government revenues was $142.3 million for the third quarter of this year. John mentioned, the year-over-year 4.9% decline was largely due to lower pass-through revenues. Majority of which have been delayed to the fourth quarter 2017 and into 2018, and the year-over-year reduction of work days also negatively impacted growth in Federal revenues by an estimated 1.6%. Federal Government revenue account for 47% total revenue, compared to 49% of total revenue in the third quarter of 2016. As expected, our Commercial business continued to be a key revenue generator, posting 4.3% growth in the third quarter and increasing this percentage of total revenue to 36%, compared to 35% of total revenue in the third quarter of 2016. Gross profit dollars remained steady at $115.3 million. For the third quarter of 2017 gross margin was 37.8%, up 20 basis points year-on-year. Indirect and selling expenses for the third quarter were $84.6 million, stable with the $84.2 million reported last year and reconciling expenses as a percentage of total revenue were 27.7%. Operating income was $23.4 million, similar to the $23.8 million reported last year’s third quarter. Operating…

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst

Thank you, James. To sum up, we are pleased with our result to-date and our prospects heading into the fourth quarter and into 2018. Based on year-to-date results and currently visibility, we have narrowed our full year 2017 guidance range. We expect revenues range from $1.21 billion to $1.23 billion, diluted earnings per share to be between $2.50 and $2.60 and non-GAAP EPS to range from $2.95 to $3.05. Additionally, we continue to expect operating cash flow to be in the range of $90 million to $1200 million. We are looking at 2018 as a year of continued organic growth for ICF across our key client categories, ICF result position in those side of government agencies, we are expecting is like to remain stable or increase next year. Housing recovery expertise should benefit our State and Local Government business in 2018 and indication point to the continued growth in our work for International Government clients. On the Commercial side we expect continued growth in energy markets and for our marketing services business to build on its positive business development momentum. Operator, I would now like to open the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

And thank you. [Operator Instructions] And we have our first question from Tobey Sommer with SunTrust.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Thank you. I was wondering if you could comment a little bit more with detail about the two IDIQ, the one related to the hurricanes, were they sole-source, multi-award, do you expect that kind of business to be chunky or piecemeal and maybe you could tell us what geographies they serve or maybe if they are broad you can touch multiple geographies?

John Wasson

Analyst

Sure. This is John Wasson. I think the two contracts we won, we said, they were in Texas, one was at the state level, one is for Houston-Galveston Area Council, so we would serve those geographies. They are multiple award IDIQ, so several awardees, the scope of work is pretty broad, certainly wouldn’t cover all the types of work that we typically do on housing recovery under Community Development Block Grant programs. And we said in the remarks, we would expect that we would start seeing task orders sometime next year, in the second quarter, late second quarter and so start seeing those opportunities come to fruition sometime at towards end of the second quarter next year.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

John, did the other companies that won, did they have your skill set in CDBG projects or did they have other skill sets that maybe procured under the IDIQs?

John Wasson

Analyst

Yeah. I think that we -- I think we bring the full spectrum of capabilities needed to design and implement these programs. I think from that perspective we are unique, we obviously have the deep subject matter expertise around Committee Development Block Grant programs and supporting those for 30 plus years for HUD and with state and local governments. We have also done the implementation of these programs kind of from end-to-end. As you know, Tobey, we obviously, design our largest or implemented the largest housing recovery program in East United States and Southern United States and we have been deeply involved in Superstorm Sandy activities in the Northeast in the last five years. And so, I think, we are -- so from that perspective we bring unique set of full service capabilities.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Okay. And when you look at all of the storm activity in the residential reconstruct damage. Do you have an estimate for how much you think will ultimately be spent on the three geographies in question, the Caribbean territories, including Puerto Rico, Florida and Texas?

John Wasson

Analyst

Yeah. I don’t think we have a specific estimate for that Tobey. I do know obviously FEMA and HUD are doing damage assessments and trying to come up with their estimates to that as part of their response. I think it’s too early for us to have a set of numbers on that. I mean, I would say, if you look across, the three hurricanes and the geographic spend here in Texas, Florida and U.S. territories, I think, we are looking at higher damage than some of the recent storms that certainly we’ve been involved in hurricane with Rita and Katrina 10 years ago and Superstorm Sandy in New Jersey. So, I think, so there has been -- so -- these are significant opportunities with a broad geographical spread to support housing recovery programs. But we -- I don’t have a set of updated damage estimates.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Okay. And I have kind of few numbers questions to run through if I could quickly.

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst

Sure. Yeah.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

What are the pass-throughs that you talked about in the fourth quarter, how -- what’s the value on those?

James Morgan

Analyst

Yeah. I would say that…

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

And then I have a couple other ones just in case you need to find that. I was curious if you had a preliminary tax rate estimates for 2018 as well?

James Morgan

Analyst

We don’t yet have preliminary tax estimate for 2018. I would say that typically we would, I mean, obviously, there is a lot that may happen regard to tax legislation that may have some differences. But I would expect that going in position that it would be fairly similar to where we were -- where we are for this year probably in the 38% to 38.5% range.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Okay.

James Morgan

Analyst

And with regard to pass-throughs, if you look at kind of the value of the pass-throughs that are shifting more to the right, that’s more in the, I would say, roughly $10 million range give or take $1 million or $2 million.

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst

For the quarter or…

James Morgan

Analyst

On the year-to-date basis.

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst

On the year-to-date basis.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

On the year-to-date basis and what about in the fourth quarter, because didn’t you say that some kind of…

James Morgan

Analyst

Yeah. I would say that’s more in the roughly $5 million range -- $4 million to $5 million range.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Okay. Perfect. And last kind of numerical question for me, are there any accounting changes that we should be contemplating and start doing work on as we look into 2018 that impact the business and how you report to?

James Morgan

Analyst

Yeah. They -- I mean, obviously, there are new revenue recognition rules that will be in place starting 2018, but based on our analysis of what we’ve done gone through, it’s really no significant impact to our revenue recognition results. So that won’t be -- it shouldn’t be anything material, and certainly, that is something as we go through next year we will be required to report any impact of what those changes are.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Okay. Thanks. I will get back in the queue. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And thank you. Our next question comes from Tim McHugh with William Blair & Company.

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair & Company.

Hi. Thanks. First, maybe on the pass-throughs, just another question there would be how much visibility do you have to those, I guess, being pushed further?

John Wasson

Analyst · William Blair & Company.

I think we have a good visibility for the rest of this year Tim. I mean, we are in the fourth quarter here. We are a month into the fourth quarter and so, I think that gives us some clear visibility of how this is going to play out for the next -- in this quarter. We also on some of the federal pass-through, we know the clients want to get some of the work done by the end of the year. And so I think we are actually highly confident that we will see these pick up in pass-throughs in Q4.

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair & Company.

And the marketing services piece, with that 21% new business growth rate, was that for the entire marketing services business, I guess, just want to understand that and…

James Morgan

Analyst · William Blair & Company.

It’s for the…

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair & Company.

I guess…

James Morgan

Analyst · William Blair & Company.

… commercial marketing services business, yes.

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair & Company.

Right. Okay. Yeah. That piece and what -- I guess, what are you seeing in the end market, just given, I think, you referenced that, but it’s obviously, a very mixed set of results that you see from a lot of marketing services companies out there. Is the environment getting tougher? I guess, and how much you put on the environment versus I guess the internal initiatives there?

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst · William Blair & Company.

Yeah. I think that, let me take this, because I think that the environment might be tougher for the large companies. I think our focus is to make sure that we continue to growth that $93 million number, which is the one which where we are trying to make sure that they continue to sell services in our legacy verticals in addition to doing their own thing. So as long as we continue to grow that I think we will be, okay. And I think in that arena when we go in and talk to clients about specific programs, for example, in the utility vertical or in the health vertical and the government vertical, I think, there is significant receptivity to the kinds of things which they do, because they haven’t necessarily seen that level sophistication. So, I think, that, certainly, the -- their legacy environment continues to be very competitive. But I think our whole focus is to help them, of course, do whatever they can there, but also make sure that we focusing on all the legacy verticals we have.

Tim McHugh

Analyst · William Blair & Company.

Okay. That’s helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And thank you. Our next question comes from Joseph Vafi with Loop Capital.

Joseph Vafi

Analyst · Loop Capital.

Hey, guys. Good afternoon. I was wondering, Sudhakar, I know, you said, there were a couple of federal contracts where there has been delays. If you could provide a little more color there, is that due to the political appointing situation or something else? And anymore color as to what they are and to extent when those delays may be resolve would be helpful and then I have a follow-up? Thanks.

John Wasson

Analyst · Loop Capital.

I think -- this is John, Joe. I think we have -- so our largest contract with the Department of State as our USAID Demographic Health Survey work, I think, we have seen certain delays and we talked about this last quarter. We saw certain delays on start of new projects, because the USAID mission here in Washington is correlating with the regional missions more closely on survey efforts over the last several quarters and that that takes more time and so that slowed down beginning of new work a bit. There is also in certain countries we just had some political issues, security issues, that have delayed work. And so the biggest impact has been on the USAID work. I think we do have visibility really that’s going to improve in Q4 and we will recapture a good portion of those pass-throughs that have been delayed certainly as we go into next year. I think that -- and the federal level is the largest driver of the pass-through issue.

Joseph Vafi

Analyst · Loop Capital.

Okay. And then on the Olson project ramp downs, do you have visibility to, if we kind of -- if we ramp down, what’s going to ramp down now out of the legacy business or is there some of that base that’s potentially still at risk?

John Wasson

Analyst · Loop Capital.

I think that we’ve -- the projects we rolled off that impacted us in Q3. We wrote-off those projects. We have and so we’ve taken that impact. I think we have a good pipeline. We see visibility to improve the business. And so I don’t -- if your question is, is there more roll-off coming and is the business going to decline further, no, we don’t see that, I think…

Joseph Vafi

Analyst · Loop Capital.

That…

John Wasson

Analyst · Loop Capital.

… given the pipeline and the backlog and kind of what we have visibility on we are pretty confident that it’s not going to be a continuing trend and then it just a matter of now closing a couple of deals to get that business back on growth trajectory. We did roll-off couple of technology projects, significant technology projects for clients that we are just -- winding down or wrapping up at the end of the third quarter.

Joseph Vafi

Analyst · Loop Capital.

Okay. And then just one housekeeping question or I guess on the energy efficiency business. Did you disclose how much -- what percentage it is or the total of the Commercial business?

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst · Loop Capital.

That was in the press release.

James Morgan

Analyst · Loop Capital.

It should be in the release I believe Joe.

Joseph Vafi

Analyst · Loop Capital.

Okay. All right. I will find it. Great. Okay. Thanks, guys.

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst · Loop Capital.

Yeah. It’s 40%.

Joseph Vafi

Analyst · Loop Capital.

Okay.

Operator

Operator

And thank you. [Operator Instructions] And we have our next question from Kevin Steinke with Barrington Research.

Kevin Steinke

Analyst · Barrington Research.

Yes. I wanted to make sure I heard correctly in your prepared comments. I believe you said you’re on track to exceed your mid single-digit growth target in Commercial this year, is that correct?

James Morgan

Analyst · Barrington Research.

Yes.

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst · Barrington Research.

That is correct, yes.

Kevin Steinke

Analyst · Barrington Research.

What’s -- so can you just talk about what’s driving that, I mean, it’s just the ramp up of energy efficient is going more quickly than planned or anything that’s really change from your outlook last quarter?

John Wasson

Analyst · Barrington Research.

I think, it’s continued strong performance in the energy efficiency arena and I think we have visibility on health care related marketing and communication we are doing in the Commercial sector in the fourth quarter, that’s going to ramp up in a significant way.

Kevin Steinke

Analyst · Barrington Research.

Okay. Okay.

John Wasson

Analyst · Barrington Research.

That will drive the commercial growth to high-single digits, to be strong in the fourth quarter high digits. I think high single-digit growth for the year.

Kevin Steinke

Analyst · Barrington Research.

Okay. For the year, oh, yeah, and then, ramping up growth rate in the fourth quarter, obviously, okay. So also on the Commercial business, in the commercial marketing services specifically, you usually called out the decline there in the quarter due to roll-off of legacy ICF business projects. I’m just wondering if you have a sense or can separate out how the acquired Olson business did, if you’re able to separate that out or not?

John Wasson

Analyst · Barrington Research.

Yeah. I think, the Olson business were generally flat for the quarter.

Kevin Steinke

Analyst · Barrington Research.

Okay. Okay. Thanks. And the -- so the International Government, the ramp up and growth there, is that again just a matter of previously signed contracts ramping up or are there new business wins in there as well?

John Wasson

Analyst · Barrington Research.

I think it’s both. I think it’s -- we are seeing strong activation on contracts that we have won throughout 2017 and we have talked -- we talked for many quarters about the fact that we were looking for this activation to take place. We are certainly experiencing robust activation and we are winning additional contracts. And so, I think, our outlook on the International front is quite bullish right now.

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst · Barrington Research.

Right.

Kevin Steinke

Analyst · Barrington Research.

Okay. Great. And then, just lastly here, last couple quarters you have called out the impact of the change in labor cost allocation methodology on the gross margin and also the indirect and selling expenses, I don’t know if you have that handy or not?

James Morgan

Analyst · Barrington Research.

Yeah. Roughly on gross margin that labor dilution has somewhere in kind of 50-basis-point, 60-basis-point impact for the quarter and for the full year, what that impact would be. And then, obviously, that flows through other metrics.

Kevin Steinke

Analyst · Barrington Research.

Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it looks like…

James Morgan

Analyst · Barrington Research.

Down to -- down through service revenue, obviously, it nets out at the EBITDA, it’s basically neutralizes itself at the EBIT level.

Kevin Steinke

Analyst · Barrington Research.

Okay. Part of the reason for asking is that if you factor that shift in methodology into the indirect and selling expenses, it looks like they are probably down year-over-year again, so I’m just trying to figure out how much more room there is to take out cost on the indirect and selling expense line as we move forward?

James Morgan

Analyst · Barrington Research.

Yeah. I think the way to think about it is that we have stated that we are looking and trying to year-over-year improve our adjusted EBITDA margins as percent of service revenue by 10 basis points per year to 20 basis points per year and we have visibility to continue doing that for the next several years. While that’s driven by the timing of when we can get out of facilities and things of that nature, and as we are able to take other actions to streamline how we are operate internally. So we have visibility to continue doing that for the next several years. And certainly, as I mentioned, we are on track for this year as we are 20 basis points higher than where we were last year on a year-to-date basis.

Kevin Steinke

Analyst · Barrington Research.

Okay. Great. Thanks for taking the questions.

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst · Barrington Research.

Yeah.

Operator

Operator

And thank you. Our next question comes from Marc Riddick with Sidoti & Company.

Marc Riddick

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

Hi. Good evening, everyone.

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

Good evening.

Marc Riddick

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

I wanted to go over a couple of things, some of them smaller than others. I guess I wanted to know if you have any general estimates or thoughts around any direct impacts to ICF results that came from the storms. I don’t recall seeing any mention of that, but I want to see if there was anything that we should be thinking about there?

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

No.

John Wasson

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

No. There was no impact, no material impact. No impact to ICF from the storms.

Marc Riddick

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

Okay. All right. And this one is more -- little more housekeeping. Why you have the extra day. I was wondering on the next as far as calendar going forward, do we have any extra or one less or one more working day in any of the upcoming quarters, I just want to be reminded to make sure I am not missing something there?

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

Yeah. We actually do. So this year is a year that has one less day than last year that occurred during Q3. Next year there is one more day than this year and that one additional day is actually in Q4 of next year compared to Q4 this year.

Marc Riddick

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

Okay. All right. Okay. Great. And I guess then, this one is more sort of wide-ranging, but I guess, the last time you were competing for these housing recovery programs, certainly you are private company at that point, just before coming public. I just wanted to get a sense of maybe how we should be thinking about the preparation that go into that, whether or not we should be looking at some -- maybe some hiring ahead of these opportunities or maybe pacing of -- do you expect to see some additional expenses before we get to sort of the middle of next year when you’re actually competing for these things or just maybe some general thought as to sort of how you are expecting the flow going into those competition? Thank you.

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

Sure. I think that -- let me take and then John can add his comments. I mean, usually in the response phase, we do have some expertise, but we traditionally those response contracts are usually given to very large engineering firm and we are subcontractors to them. So they will always ask us for specific positions, so we have given them a bunch of resumes, which potentially have been looked at by the response agencies and which who are in the process being -- are being deployed. So that’s in the response phase. And we expect that we will get some minimal revenue starting in Q4 on the response phase, maybe a little bit in Q1, but that’s not where the real action as far as we are concerned.

Marc Riddick

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

Right.

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

The real action is when we start doing housing recovery and we have the CDBG monies, Block Grant monies are used and those traditionally -- those take a little bit of time after that John said the damage assessment have done and FEMA has a better then the state and local and county et cetera have to figure out how they are going to administer the monies and how they are going to issue task orders. So, for example, the State of Texas, they could use, they do at state level or they could do at the county level, they have to decide all that and in order to decide all that, once they decide all that, they will have to develop an action plan, which will have to be approved by the Feds and once that action plan is approved then they can start spending the money and that’s the phase where we traditionally either have the right action or we help in prevent the action plan and all that happens over the next nine months or so. So I think that that’s traditionally the way it happens and I think you will not see that much of pre-hiring. We already have a bunch of folks who potentially can work on the response phase and we have certainly provided those resumes to the primes. But in the recovery phase usually win the contract and then you hire up for that contract. You have to have some contingent hiring before that, but you won’t necessarily see it in our numbers till such times we are deployed.

Marc Riddick

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

Okay. Okay. Great. And I appreciate the color on that. Thank you. And then, I guess, one last thing, we have talked about the opportunities from the storms you would have. I was curious and this a little bit out of left field, I guess, but I was wondering if there was anything that was -- that would directly affect ICF Olson opportunities given the fires in California? Thank you.

John Wasson

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

There is a potential that there could be recovery work related to California fires and we are certainly monitoring that. I think and so it’s on our radar. I think from -- the initial intelligence I have had I do think a lot of the damage in California from the fires will be insured and so we will be part of people’s homeowners insurance, we will help them rebuild. And so -- but we are certainly monitoring that and if opportunities arise to work in the recovery phase from the California fires we would certainly, we are following that carefully. As you know we have significant presence in California 700 people...

Marc Riddick

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

Yeah.

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

… were located in those communities that have been impacted. And so it is on our radar, we are watching it, I think, it’s -- love to see how it plays out. I don’t think it’s going to be as material on opportunity as the hurricane related housing recovery programs.

Marc Riddick

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

Okay. I appreciate. Thank you very much.

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst · Sidoti & Company.

Yeah.

Operator

Operator

And thank you. We have no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over to management for closing remarks.

Sudhakar Kesavan

Analyst

Thank you very much for joining us today. We will talk to you next year. Thank you.