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Q4 2019 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 20, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the IAMGOLD 2019 Fourth Quarter and Full Year Operating and Financial Results Conference Call and Webcast. As a reminder, all participants are in a listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I’d like to turn the conference over to Indi Gopinathan, Vice President, Investor Relations and Corporate Communications for IAMGOLD. Please go ahead.

Indi Gopinathan

Analyst

Thank you very much, and welcome to the IAMGOLD fourth quarter and full year conference call for 2019. Joining me today on the call are Gord Stothart, President and Chief Operating Officer; Effie Simanikas, Vice President, Operations, Finance and Information Technology, who is covering the finance section for our EVP and CFO, Carol Banducci; Craig MacDougall, Senior Vice President, Exploration; and Jeff Snow, Senior Vice President, Business Development and General Counsel. We also have Oumar Toguyeni, our Regional Vice President in West Africa, is joining us here in the room. Our remarks on this call will include forward-looking statements. Please refer to the cautionary language regarding forward-looking information in our disclosure document and be advised that the same cautionary language applies to our remarks during the call. The slides referenced on this call can be viewed on our website. I will now turn the call over to our President and Chief Operating Officer, Gord Stothart.

Gord Stothart

Analyst

Well, thank you, Indi. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. So last night we issued our fourth quarter and 2019 full year results, which reflect a year of successfully overcoming the strong headwinds faced by the company. I’d like to note a few highlights from 2019, in response to a challenging gold price environment at this time last year, we implemented a self-funding strategy where each side is mandated with covering their own operating costs of sustaining and site expansionary and capital, as well as corporate G&A, exploration and financing costs. We’ve achieved this goal on a consolidated basis with Essakane and Westwood already self-funding at sites and all sites looking to self fund for 2020. In addition, we reduced the exploration budget by 22%. At Westwood, we aligned our cost structure with production levels early in the year, reducing our workforce by a third. With ongoing work on the Westwood Mine plant, we were able to provide updated guidance to year-end, outlining our vision for a safe, profitable and long life mine. At the Rosebel site, the team acted quickly in response to the unauthorized pit intrusion incident over the summer, working with all stakeholders to return the operation to regular mining activities once the situation was judged sufficiently safe to do so. We delivered our first ore from the Saramacca deposit to the Rosebel mill at the end of October. We bolstered our pipeline with a significant maiden resource at Nelligan, which also won the prestigious AEMQ Discovery of the Year award. We continue to de-risk our development projects, Côté and Boto, within budget. Finally, we maintained our strong balance sheet. IAMGOLD ethos is one of zero harm and we aim to achieve high standards in environmental, social and governance practices. And this zero harm…

Effie Simanikas

Analyst

Thank you, Gord. Revenues improved in Q4 from Q3 by 7% on stronger gold prices, while costs remained flat quarter-over-quarter. As a result, gross profit improved approximately 80% quarter-over-quarter. The adjusted net loss for the quarter was $0.6 million or $0 per share. Net cash from operating activities before changes in working capital totaled $226.2 million, reflecting the receipt of the gold prepayment in December. In addition, we reported a net $275.3 million impairment charge, primarily consisting of a $395 million charge on the Westwood Mine as well as the reversal of impairment charges on the Essakane Mine of $122 million Year-over-year revenues were down 4%, higher gold prices were offset by lower production levels, while cost of sales increased by 2%, primarily as a result of lower capitalized stripping being now accounted. We ended the year with gross profit of $69.6 million, down from the previous year due to lower sales ounces and slightly higher costs due to lower capitalized stripping. Adjusted net loss for the year was $18.3 million or $0.04 per share. Net cash from operating activities before changes in working capital totaled $367.5 million, including the gold prepayment. IAMGOLD remains in a strong financial position with $864.8 million in cash, cash equivalent, short-term investments and restricted cash as of December 31, 2019. This figure reflects further strengthening of the balance sheet with the additional funds from the gold prepay. Overall, we were cash flow positive in Q4 with Essakane and Westwood generating positive cash flows on a site basis, demonstrating progress on our self-funding strategy. In 2020, we expect the capital intensive year with significant waste stripping required of both Essakane and Rosebel, at a gold price of $1,500 per ounce or better. We would expect to see meaningful cash flow expansion. As you can see on this slide, excluding restricted cash flow and including our $500 million credit facility, which remains virtually undrawn, our earn-in liquidity stood at $1.3 billion. The $400 million senior notes are not due until 2025. We continue to work on improving cash flow and making prudent capital allocation decision. I will now pass the call back over to Gord to discuss operations.

Gord Stothart

Analyst

Well, thanks, Effie. So our top priority is the health and safety of our employees. In Q4, we continue to achieve or better targets. On a full year basis, we achieved the DART rate, which stands for days away, restricted or transfer duty of 0.51 for 200,000 man hours, which is our best in a decade. We work every day to meet or exceed our safety goals, implementing and refreshing a number of initiatives to ensure a safer working environment including a comprehensive behavior based safety program. Our reserve and resource base remains strong with total proven and probable reserves of 16.7 million ounces based on a $1,200 per ounce gold price assumption. The total decreased by 6% in 2019 compared to 2018 primarily due to mine depletion. Measured and indicated resources, inclusive of reserves, decreased by 2% year-over-year to 27.2 million ounces, while inferred resources increased by 38% to 12 million ounces with the addition of the Nelligan Gold Project and updated resources at the Côté Gold project. Our gold price assumption for resources for most of our operations and projects remains at 1,500 per ounce with Westwood assessed at 1,200 per ounce for resources. As mentioned, total consolidated attributable production for the quarter was 192,000 ounces. All-in sustaining costs were 1,161 ounce for Q4, and note that all-in sustaining costs at the consolidated level includes corporate G&A costs. I’ll review each operation in turn, starting with Essakane. Attributable gold production for the fourth quarter 2019 was 94,000 ounces and for the full year 368,000 ounces. Production was lower than the prior year, which was a record year for Essakane, primarily due to mine sequencing through lower grade zones, partially offset by higher throughput. The fourth quarter was impacted by a number of factors including lower grades in the…

Craig MacDougall

Analyst

Thanks, Gord, and good morning, everyone. Before I begin, please note that the results I talk about today have been previously disclosed in accordance with security regulations and signed off by the qualified persons within the company reporting. In 2020, our planned exploration spend is $47 million comprising both near mine brownfield and greenfield exploration programs. The brownfield program will continue its focus on discovering and delineating resources along the Saramacca-Brokolonko trend near Rosebel as well as the identified targets near our Essakane operation. We will also focus our drilling efforts on continuing to convert resources at Westwood and delineating resources at the nearby Rouyn Gold project. The greenfield program continue to target resource expansions and evaluating priority targets o our advanced resource and discovery state projects, including the Côté Gold project in Ontario, the Nelligan and Monster Lake projects in Quebec, the Boto project in Senegal, Diakha-Siribaya project in Mali, the Pitangui project in Brazil, and the Karita Gold project in Guinea. In the next few slides, I will highlight some of our accomplishments from last year. In 2019, we continue to make progress advancing the resource base projects in our pipeline with prioritizing projects near existing IAMGOLD deposits and infrastructure. At Nelligan, the exploration team delivered an initial resource estimate comprising approximately 97 million tons averaging 1 gram per ton of gold for 3.2 million ounces on a 100% basis. The new reserve Renard Zone contributed positively to the resource which was intersected for over 1 kilometer along strike with true sickness locally exceeding 100 meters. Following the delivery of the NI 43-101 technical report, we exercise our option to increase our undivided interest by 25% to now hold a 75% interest in the project. Nelligan is located 15 kilometers south of Monster Lake, which hosts an inferred…

Gord Stothart

Analyst

Thank you, Craig. You guys get me once again. Anyways, I want to reiterate that we are focused on improving our cash flow outlook, while executing on plan and doing that safely. Our goal over the next few months is to provide clarity regarding our company strategy and we look forward to speaking with you again at that time. Thanks for joining us. And I’ll now turn it back to the moderator.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We’ll now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Fahad Tariq of Credit Suisse.

Fahad Tariq

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just maybe some clarity on the thought process behind Côté and Boto, I know that there’s another $65 million that will be spent on basically getting these projects shovel ready. I mean, any color on how you’re thinking about kind of the priority between the two? How much more CapEx has maybe required even before an investment decision? And when you expect to make an investment decision on either project? Thanks.

Gord Stothart

Analyst

Thanks, Fahad. So I mean, obviously, with the M&A sort of leadership change with the changing gold price and I think somewhat the change in sentiment, plus all of the work that we’ve been doing on de-risking these projects, we are coming to a decision point with our Board and really sort of going through that strategic exercise right now. As we look at our company going forward, our existing assets, I love them to death, but they are getting older, and we’ll start to head into decline at some point in time. So we have a benefit, an incredible benefit compared to our peers of some great growth projects, each of them do different things for our company strategically. Boto is a nice tuck-in project, relatively straightforward to execute and has a very nice quick payback to it, but on a consolidated basis has less of a total impact on the company. Côté is a somewhat larger project. It’s still not a massive project by any means. In fact, when you look at Côté, it’s a smaller operation than Essakane and it’s a similar sized operation to Rosebel. So it’s sort of in our snack bracket in terms of operating, but the capital bill is higher. We have a strong balance sheet and we can manage it quite nicely actually. And we do recognize, there was some negative sentiment around some aspects of Côté in the marketplace. So on the positive side, it is – on a consolidated basis, it really does transform our company. We love both of those assets. It’s just – it’s a matter of right now of reaching a decision as to which one makes the most sense. I’ve been on the road with Indi pretty extensively the last month and have even more visits coming up with the investment community over the next couple of weeks to really help – do some talking obviously, but also do a lot of listening to the shareholders and understand how they see the decision and how they see the priorities so that we don’t end up surprising anybody with whichever decision we take going forward. Timeframe, personally, I’m restless. I’d like to see something decided here in the next two, three, four months. And at that point in time, then we’ll – we can – we’ll come forward. I wouldn’t expect, other than the numbers we talked about here for capital, I wouldn’t expect that either of those require any additional capital. And please note that the capital that we’re spending now is serving to reduce the post-decision capital. So this is money being spent towards an objective of achieving those projects. It’s not just moving sideways with the project still being pushed out. That’s how I sort of leave it with that, Fahad.

Fahad Tariq

Analyst

Okay, great. That’s really helpful. And just on the reserves and resources, I can appreciate the resources growing specifically in Nelligan, Gosselin. But as you look at the portfolio, where do you see reserve growth over the next, call it, several years, similar to the trajectory that you had prior to this year with the reserve growth? I’m just trying to get a sense of – I can see where the resource growth is coming from, but…

Gord Stothart

Analyst

Yes. Yes. No, that’s a good question. Actually, I’m going to sort of let Craig have a whack at it and I’ll step in afterwards, Fahad.

Craig MacDougall

Analyst

Well, I’ll start with maybe the exploration things. I mean, obviously, these are sequential programs that we have to run. You get your first inferred resources, you increase the classification to something that the engineers can then study through more detailed feasibility studies, pre-feasibility studies, those things. So, certainly we have a number of resource stage projects. Some of them are still growing. Many of them have inferred resources that can be converted, and once converted, then used to backstop studies that can lead to reserves. So, on an exploration front, I think we do have quite a lot of opportunities to continue to increase our reserves, albeit projects, it still has to be developed. I’ll dabble a little bit on Gord side here on the operations. As you know, we’re working very hard to continue to expand resources, proximal these infrastructure. Saramacca was obviously a big success for us. Prior to that Falagountou was a big success for us as Essakane, and we do continue to put time and effort into understanding the satellite targets. And when strategically they’re viable for the operations, which ones can extend the reserve base and which ones can help top it up. And that’s an ongoing process and it’s iterative and we continue to invest seriously to extend our operations as long as we can. I don’t know, Gord, you have…

Gord Stothart

Analyst

Yes. At a high level, I can see incremental reserve growth at the mature assets. I don’t have any huge targets that are going to jump out there. Westwood will continue to convert over time. Programs we have for 2020 specifically designed increased reserves would be extensions to Saramacca along strike. Work we’re doing on infill on an ongoing basis at Westwood at least to cover depletion and a little bit better. We are also looking at a few small surface showings we have in and around that are – that can make it into reserves this year. Essakane, I talked earlier about some of the satellite targets. I would expect Tassiri and potentially Sokadie to hit the reserve table this year. We’ll be looking at some extensions to the Essakane main zone itself. We have stuff that’s ongoing at the brownfield sites, but it is more marginal. The lumpy growth you’re going to see in the future is really going to come again from the exploration targets, whether it’s Nelligan coming to the reserves, Gosselin, that one’s going to be a really straight forward one to March towards reserves. Given everything we understand there, there are some relating steps that are required there. But other than that, it’s a pretty straightforward line of sight to getting some nice increases in reserves. I guess at a higher level, there is still a large gap at Rosebel between the reserves and the resources that Rosebel prefer. That requires ongoing work on our parts. Those ounces are available to us if we can get our costs in the right spot. And we do have a couple things we’re working on there that could potentially change and actually produce a material change in Rosebel, but I got to sort of leave you hanging on that one because we need to do a little more work in-house first.

Craig MacDougall

Analyst

And just a point of clarification, Fahad, Gosselin itself is not at a resource stage just yet. It’s still discovery stage. We are implementing a winter drilling program this winter that if the ice cooperates. And ice is ice, it does melt. We are hoping to bring that to a first resource as part of our program this year, but that’s not included in the upgrade that happened at Côté this year.

Fahad Tariq

Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Anita Soni with CIBC.

Anita Soni

Analyst · CIBC.

Good morning, guys. I just wanted to ask on Côté, would you be updating the reserve, sorry, the 43-101 that was put out in November of 2018 or do you think that’s sufficient? And secondly, if not, then can you talk about what kind of de-risking you’ve done at the project since that time?

Gord Stothart

Analyst · CIBC.

Yes. We’re not looking to issue a new 43-101 on Côté at this point in time. But I’m happy – and I’m happy to talk about the de-risking we’ve done. As I said in my talk, we’re over 50% detailed engineered now, which is added. It’s really, I guess, I describe it as it’s really tightened up the goalposts around our capital estimates and allowed us to understand that better. We’ve done a little bit of re-scoping as we look at the project you always want to know what your potential downstream opportunities are for expansion. So we’ve done a little bit of re-scoping on the project to facilitate our potential future expansion once it gets developed. On the reserve and resource side, we did upgrade the resource, the reserve we kept flat. We are in the process of reworking that reserve. None of – the changes aren’t material enough really to prompt us to want to put out a new 43-101, but there will be a reserve update coming out of here probably in the next quarter for Côté. What we’ve done is we brought in a different modeler, specifically a modeler that we know approaches things more conservatively than the earlier model. And it provided a lot of validation for us because it’s just demonstrated the robustness of the Côté resource. So from a resource risk point of view, I’m really comfortable with where Côté is at. We mentioned the IBA we signed with the First Nations partners and that again removes one other opportunity for issues, we’ve advanced a lot of the permitting work. And we’ve really gone back – we listened to some of the commentary based on the original feasibility study. We’ve gone back and validated a lot of our cost models both for the plant mill operating costs, mine operating costs, G&A, and completely revalidated them and checked them and explained internally, we’ve explained what we see as differences from maybe some other pure projects. And we’re very, very comfortable with the numbers that we have in our pocket right now. So we’ve been paddling pretty hard below the surface over the past year with the engineering team there. And the best description for me is we’ve just really narrowed the goalpost, which reduces the opportunity for extreme variability as we go forward with the project.

Anita Soni

Analyst · CIBC.

Okay. So you’re still planning to use HPGRs and then also selective like stockpiling lower grade material and processing out later in the mine life?

Gord Stothart

Analyst · CIBC.

Yes. And to test that we’ve done in some really tight space drilling in a few areas and then a lot of conditional stimulation as to how that will work and what our opportunities for success are to do that, engineered cutoff grade sort of plan going forward. If you have about five days, I can go through with you. But the upshot of it is we’re very comfortable that we’ll be able to achieve the higher grades, at the higher cutoffs in the earlier years given the geometry and the grade distribution and that deposit.

Anita Soni

Analyst · CIBC.

All right. And then the other question I had was, I’m just flicking through this report right now and I’m noticing the use of the phrase upstream slopes on the dams. And so that’s not an upstream dam tailings dam is it? That’s – that is, it’s still all downstream, right?

Gord Stothart

Analyst · CIBC.

It’s all downstream. It’s a downstream.

Anita Soni

Analyst · CIBC.

Are you comfortable with the, one of the things that I was looking at with Côté, when it for this technical part came out, was that the total capital for the tailings dam, it seemed a little on the light side. Is that something that you’ve also taken a look at and what’s your initial opinions on it?

Gord Stothart

Analyst · CIBC.

Yes, I mean, we’ve completely reviewed all of those classes and we’re not uncomfortable with the costs on the tailing dam. We have modified in our current internal models, we’ve modified the mining costs upward. So that does have some sort of – some knock-on effects on the cost of tailings because a lot of the sources of the bulk fill is coming out of the pit. So, you do get a bit of a knock-on there. But it’s not significant numbers and we like where we’re at. We’ve also done a lot of work and I probably should have mentioned it earlier. We did some pretty comprehensive geotechnical studies in and around. The tailings storage facility to make sure that we understand the foundation conditions there. And likewise, a lot of geotechnical work at the plant site. Again, I’m just trying to confirm where we’re at. And also groundwater inflow and wall stability studies in the pit. Quite a bit of geochemical work as it as advanced our understanding that.

Anita Soni

Analyst · CIBC.

All right. And then I guess one last question on that. So if in your mind, if you get, the Board’s approval on the construction timeframe that you would like, where, when would you see Côté potentially being put into production?

Gord Stothart

Analyst · CIBC.

We’re currently working with about a 34-month construction and commissioning schedule.

Anita Soni

Analyst · CIBC.

Okay. All right. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mike Jalonen of Bank of America.

Mike Jalonen

Analyst

Hi, Gord, good morning.

Gord Stothart

Analyst

Good morning, again.

Mike Jalonen

Analyst

I’ve got a question on your strategy, you mentioned you’ll have clarity on the company strategy in the next few months, but as you know, there’s been a lot of CEO transition in the sector recently and it’s always interesting to see what new CEOs, what their strategy going forward is. Like, for example, Paul Brink and Franco-Nevada there’ll no change in the Franco-Nevada strategy given it was worked. And I was evidenced by the share price keeps hitting new highs every day. And IAMGOLD share price the past year despite many, many milestones as being flat. So if you’re going to be more next week, you’d probably have 40-101 meetings. Investors are going to want to know what steps you’re going to take to get a higher share price in IAMGOLD which is like the peers. So just wondering if you can give me any guidance there?

Gord Stothart

Analyst

Well, and I think the first one is to pick a step strategy, be very transparent, as to what our rationale is behind that strategy and what we’re looking to achieve. On an operational level we’re going to continue to make sure that the operations execute. We’ve been very conservative in our guidance numbers on purpose. And that’s the strategy that I want to pursue going forward. At the operations themselves, there are opportunities, but as I said earlier, they’re getting older, but we need – we need those operations to perform very well. We continue to do a lot of work with our communities and making sure that the operating environment we’re working in and all of our operations is conducive to those operations having the space to produce what they need to produce. So making sure those operations are doing well. And then as I said, speaking with Anita is, let’s find out which works we’re going to pick here and whichever one we pick, we’re going to be very, very focused on making sure we execute that. As we’ve been able to do with our other development projects, we did it with Essakane, we did it with Essakane expansion. We’ve had four expansions at Rosebel. These open pit projects are really in our wheelhouse and we want to continue to demonstrate – we know how to build projects. We’ve done it in the past, and we’ll do it well in the future, but that will be the focus. When you talk at a high level, but the message to the shareholders, we’re building long-term value. We’ve done such good job, Craig and his team of bringing additional reserves and resources into the portfolio here. Because I look at ourselves compared to maybe some of the peers, we have a huge opportunity to be a truly long-life company at a – I don’t want to say an enormous production level but certainly a higher production level than we’re at now and can sustain that into the future. And we don’t have enough time here for Craig to go into all the other stuff that’s coming in behind the ones he’s already been talking about.

Mike Jalonen

Analyst

Okay. I guess, one thing you haven’t mentioned at all is M&A, number of your peers. What are the same production sizes yourself and now they’re over 1 million ounces and I wonder if smaller midterms are just kind of gotten left behind. So I’m just wondering what you thought on that?

Gord Stothart

Analyst

You always keep an eye on it and when talking with Steve, there is an issue of relevance. Obviously, M&A has to be done at the right price with the right partner. You don’t stop looking at it. I think, if we execute on our growth projects here in the next two or three years and we’re in a strong, strong – it’s much stronger position than we are now. It positions us on the other side of the table in M&A discussions moving out from there. When we build Côté and Boto, and we see some of the expansion at Saramacca. We ramp up Westwood. We’ve got a lot of really nice long life cash flowing projects into the future that really sets us up. I think in somewhat of a distinct position versus a number of our peers, it’s going to be a great place to be talking about M&A. The other thing that we keep having the discussions at is gold prices up. We need to start looking other ways to generate some returns for the shareholders.

Mike Jalonen

Analyst

Okay. Well, thank you and good luck.

Gord Stothart

Analyst

Thanks very much, Mike.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mike Parkin of National Bank Financial.

Mike Parkin

Analyst

Hi guys. Just back in Côté, I was just wondering where we could expect the advancement on the engineered rate over the course of this year. Where would you kind of expect it to kind of be at the end of Q1 and Q2. And if you were to make a decision on it, what would you kind of want to see that rate at percent completion that is before moving ahead?

Gord Stothart

Analyst

Yes. No, it’s great question. Like, we’re – we actually had a meeting last week with the project team. The actual number currently I think is 51.2%. We’re adding about 2.2% per month right now. Most projects that you execute on when you want your construction decision, you’re at about 10% detailed engineering. So we’re well, well beyond that and we’d be comfortable going forward at any time based on where we’re at. One of our challenges is without actually kicking off the project and entering into final contracts on some of the equipment. It will get to a point where, where we can’t actually advance it without actually getting the field information. That last bit of detailed information actually really depends on information coming back from the field during the construction process. So it’s tough to get more than about, I don’t know, 60%, 65% without actually starting construction.

Mike Parkin

Analyst

All right. That’s it for me guys. Thanks so much.

Gord Stothart

Analyst

Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Tanya Jakusconek of Scotiabank.

Tanya Jakusconek

Analyst

That’s great. Good morning everybody. And Gord, maybe just coming back on your strategic outlook, is it safe to assume that, both of these projects Côté and Boto are shovel-ready to go, they meet your internal rates of returns from an economic standpoint. When you – do make that decision three to four months out? Is it safe to assume that it’s one or the other or it’s, or are you thinking maybe to pull the trigger on both?

Gord Stothart

Analyst

I mean everybody knows me. I’m a huge optimist and I would love to do both, but I know – I wouldn’t be the shortest lived tenure as a CEO. I think if I tried to do that. So it will be one or the other in staged format with the second one, nominally scheduled to start as the first one is getting well up the completion curve. I would love to be done in them both together, but we’re not going do that. It will be one or the other.

Tanya Jakusconek

Analyst

Okay. And then maybe what we haven’t touched on is the Saramacca underground. Can you talk a little bit about where that study is and conceptually, as you look at this underground, any information or insights you can give on sort of what you’ve reported in the reserve base? I think about a million ounces. Like how much of that is the underground, what, where do you conceptually see the strip ratio going? So any information you can give on timing and more details on that?

Gord Stothart

Analyst

It’s a good question. And I want to avoid getting a two outside on disclosure. So I would describe the study right now as being completed through conceptual design. And in some ways, getting close to the sort of pre-feasibility level of, of design, we’ve done a lot of work on portal and ramp access and how much that would cost. We’ve got budgetary quotes from contractors because we really understand that first part is important. As we look at it within our production and as we looked at it within our self-funding envelope and using a conservative gold price for Rosebel in our planning exercise, we planned this year at 1350 for the five year plan. Under those conditions and staying through our of self-funding, Although the project is good from an overall return point of view, it did impair our near term self-funding because we would be spending some additional capital in the near term to execute on that underground concept. To my eye, it’s something that should happen. We will be revisiting that now. Obviously looking at current gold prices and what our cash flow looks like and what we’re able to achieve. It gives us an opportunity to relook at it. You’re talking probably 2.5, 3-year development period, before you could deliver. The current reserve does not assume any underground or, we would need to re look at our reserves. It would allow you on the current pit design, probably to take your stripping rate. I think the stripping rate in the 43-101 was around 11 to 1. When you do the trade off, you’d probably come back somewhere on an overall basis around seven, six or seven to one for that pit. So you remove the probable reserves. You take out some of the lower…

Tanya Jakusconek

Analyst

So when it is a steady going to come out for us in terms of that public information?

Gord Stothart

Analyst

I need to revisit that. I’ll come back and I think at the next meeting we will make a bit of a declaration. We originally were hoping to get something out this year as we pulled back from the project to satisfy self-funding requirements. We had pushed that out, but obviously it’s worthwhile revisiting here as part of our overall strategic review.

Tanya Jakusconek

Analyst

Okay. So, is it safe to assume that this has sort of pulled back versus Côté and Boto being more advanced and more ready to make the decision on those?

Gord Stothart

Analyst

Yes. I mean, it really is a different class of project. You’re talking around a much more modest level of investment required. And yes, it really would be a completely different group that would be involved with it, but they’re not mutually exclusive. That being said, obviously if we move to one of these big projects or if, and when we moved to one of these big projects, the corporate focus will be on that.

Tanya Jakusconek

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Carey MacRury of Canaccord Genuity.

Carey MacRury

Analyst

Hi, good morning. I just had a question on – in the release it talks about the guidance incorporating factors related to negative grade reconciliation at Rosebel, Saramacca just wondering if you could provide a little bit of color on that? Thanks.

Gord Stothart

Analyst

So Rosebel and it, we haven’t seen negative reconciliation issues at Saramacca at all. Saramacca is geologically is quite a bit of a different beast and we’re not expecting to see those issues. And Rosebel itself, certainly in the past year and as the mind gets more mature and we get into deeper and deeper pushback and accessing more distal parts of the ore bodies, it’s a little more challenging to drill off and model and understand. Rosebel historically has been a real bugger to model and reconciliation is perennially a challenge. Historically, we see somewhat modest negative grade reconciliation, but a huge positive times reconciliation at Rosebel. The past couple of quarters, we’ve seen some a little – a little higher negative grade reconciliation than we’ve seen historically. We put a SWAT team on it, or going back and looking at our mining practices and trying to understand exactly what the best way to approach it. So in my mind is a combination of one, just the challenge to model is deposit in any kind of drill spacing. We’re approved for the budget this year and enhanced RC drilling program, that will really help us with modeling in the sort of, in the midterm. And help us sort of maybe smooth over some of those, those challenges along the way. None of this is nothing we haven’t seen before. But we’re jumping on it now. I mean, anecdotally, I thought positive grade reconciliation for January. So Rosebel is one where you can never let off. Never let the hammer off.

Carey MacRury

Analyst

What sort of magnitudes you’d be seeing on the grade, just as a curiosity?

Gord Stothart

Analyst

We don’t normally, I think the negative reconciliation for Q4 was in the neighborhood of minus 15% on grade and plus 25% something like that on time. Total gold is there, but obviously it creates a different cost model for you if it says those kinds of lower grade.

Carey MacRury

Analyst

All right, got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes time allocated for questions on today’s call. I will now hand the call back over to Indi Gopinathan for any closing remarks.

Indi Gopinathan

Analyst

Thank you very much, and thanks very much for to everyone for joining us this morning and for your continued interest in IAMGOLD. We look forward to having you join us again for our first quarter of 2020 conference call in May. Goodbye.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.