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Q2 2013 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 31, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the IAC Reports Q2 2013 Results Conference. Today's event is being recorded. I'll turn the conference over to Mr. Jeff Kip, CFO.

Jeffrey W. Kip

Management

Thanks, operator. And thanks, everyone, for joining us this morning for our second quarter 2013 earnings call. I'll start the call by walking through the financial results and outlook. Greg will then give the key drivers of the business, and then we'll move to Q&A. But briefly, Let me remind you that during this call, we may discuss our outlook for future performance. These forward-looking statements typically may be preceded by words such as we expect, we believe, we anticipate or similar statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, and our actual results could differ materially from the views expressed today. Some of these risks have been set forth in our second quarter 2013 press release and our periodic reports filed with the SEC. We will also discuss certain non-GAAP measures. I refer you to our press release in the Investor Relations section of our website for all comparable GAAP measures and full reconciliations for all material non-GAAP measures. With that, let's move to the numbers. The second quarter was another solid quarter for IAC. On an as-reported basis, consolidated revenue was up 17%, and OIBA was up 20% versus the prior year, excluding a restructuring charge at CityGrid of approximately $5 million and about a $3 million write-down of capitalized labor for projects started pre-acquisition at The About Group. Pro forma for About and News_Beast, consolidated revenue and OIBA were up 11% and 13%, or 19%, excluding the accounting charges, respectively. This was our 14th straight quarter of double-digit revenue growth and our 17th straight quarter of double-digit OIBA growth. Looking at OIBA, excluding the accounting charges, the second quarter was also our 10th straight quarter of OIBA margin expansion. Let's move on to our segment performances. Search & Applications had a strong second quarter. Pro…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll go to John Blackledge of Cowen and Company.

John R. Blackledge - Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Great. Just a couple of questions on the Search business. So the Toolbar growth was better than expected in the second quarter. Can you provide some more insight into what drove the acceleration in the Applications segment revenue and queries? And then maybe just discuss in further detail how the Google policy changes impact the segment in 3Q, and then why you expect to bounce back in 4Q. And then just on the Websites business, revenue up 5% sequentially, the SEMrush data indicated a bit of a bounce back in 2Q in this segment. Is there anything that maybe we can't see from that data that impacts the Websites segment?

Jeffrey W. Kip

Management

So I'll take your first and third questions, and I think Greg is going to address the second on the amendments to our agreement with the Applications area. In terms of the second quarter, really the first quarter was a bit of a bump down, and the second quarter was more of a sort of normalized growth rate. I think you'll recall Greg mentioned previously that we had a modest monetization adjustment from fourth quarter to the first quarter in the Applications business, which was something we agreed with Google on several quarters ago. So we came back from that, returned to a normalized growth rate. And really, it was just -- we released 9 new B2C applications, and we continue to grow our partners, which is really the whole key to growing that business year after year after year. So the second quarter was a normalized rate. And we expect to have another modest sort of bump in the third quarter and then grow again from there. And again, on the same basis, we're going to keep our product pipeline coming with our B2C products and market those, then we're going to continue to expand our B2C partner pool and watch them grow as well. If I go to the Websites business, then I'll give it back to Greg, and the SEMrush, we were very successful growing queries. I think you saw a significant acceleration on queries in the Websites business from first to second quarter. We've had obviously real success developing our product suite further and marketing it successfully. And I think when you look at the SEMrush data, the SEM -- there are couple of things to note. I think one is, particularly going through the rest of the year, if you're to look at the July…

Jeffrey W. Kip

Management

Yes, I think I'll just emphasize, Greg talked about our current expectations for 2014. Those expectations don't happen without further sequential growth, product rollouts, successful marketing on both sides of the business. Grégory R. Blatt: Yes, I mean, I this is -- look, this is a -- we've been in this for a while now, and given any set of framework for doing all this stuff, we feel pretty good about our ability to grow. And that's where we are.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Ross Sandler of Deutsche Bank.

Ross Sandler - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Greg, just 2 questions. First, to follow up on the Search-Websites query growth, is 100% of that expansion that Jeff was just talking about from SEM? Or is there any organic element to what's driving the reacceleration in query growth? And then the second question is on Personals. So core PMC growth picked up almost 10%. Where do you see that line trending in terms of growth over the next few years given the kind of relative maturity of the Personals segment? And what do you see as the sustainable growth rate for the overall sub number in Personals longer term?

Jeffrey W. Kip

Management

Yes, I'll take the first and I'll let Greg address the second question. Look, our marketing has been a very successful piece of our Websites business. And so without question, our marketing drives user awareness, brings users our sites. Both online and offline, we've had success. I think secondly, part of the query growth is a genuine increase in user engagement within the site, and we're pretty happy to see that. We have improved satisfaction and, with that, improved engagement. Greg? Grégory R. Blatt: Yes. I think if you go back to sort of the way I described the way these website businesses are taking place, they're really discovery businesses when you go there to learn something and to find out something in particular. What we've gotten really good at is engaging consumers once they're there to learn more things. So we're keeping people within our ecosystem of discovery longer and longer, which drives incremental queries. On the map side, look, I think within a couple of points, it's hard to predict long term. But my general view is what we're currently calling core PMC, which is sort of the traditional North American subscription businesses, I think over the next x years, I think those are high single, low double-digit PMC growth businesses. So call it anywhere from 9 to 12 to 13, I would say, was sort of my guess. Could it become more? Yes. But I think that is the engine that sort of keeps going at that rate. You've got very good margin leverage in that area. So that kind of PMC and revenue growth drives higher profit growth. And then a much bigger part of the growth going forward is coming from Developing and Meetic and other things, and that's the nature of this portfolio business. So I think overall growth rates will be meaningfully higher than that, but I think the core will be a steady, steady high single-digit, low double-digit growth rates is sort of my best guess.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Jason Helfstein of Oppenheimer & Company. Jason S. Helfstein - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: Three questions. So just to hit the Google -- the updated application agreement, what gives you comfort -- I mean, obviously, you're not going to tell us the terms of the changes, but does -- can Google make any further changes under the remaining amount of the contract through 2016? So I guess that's the question. Just does it now lock in what you'd like to do on the Applications side through rest of the contract? My next question is, can you give us any additional metrics on Tinder, Electus or Vimeo? You talked kind of qualitatively about how positive you are. But any user metrics or anything more specific how you're increasing the value of those assets? And then lastly, can you talk about your target gross cash position and what you see as the right debt-to-EBITDA leverage ratio for the company? Grégory R. Blatt: Yes, okay, let me -- okay, Applications. Yes, I think, look, so we have an agreement with Google. It gives them certain rights, it gives us certain rights. I won't get into all of the minutia of it, but I think that it is -- Google, in the, I think, the 13 years or however long we've had an agreement with them, they have never made a unilateral move with respect to our business, ever. Every time they have wanted something, we've sat down, we've talked about it. We've agreed to things, we get things in return. And that's true of this last time as well. So I certainly can't promise that there won't be some other change at some point along the way that we agree to, which, of course, we would only…

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Mark Mahaney, RBC Capital Markets.

Mark S. Mahaney - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Two questions please. Could you provide a little bit more detail on the kind of HomeAdvisor recovery strategy? What do you think needs to be done there? And then just you talked about the 2014, and I just want to clarify something. I think you had said that Search and Apps and Match combined would be on track for double-digit revenue growth and mid- to high single-digit OIBA growth. I mean, correct me if didn't heard that -- if I misheard that. And if I heard it correctly, why would there be deleverage if you combine those 2 assets in 2014? Grégory R. Blatt: I'll take the second question. Give the first one to Jeff. I think you heard it wrong or I said it wrong. We expect the combined to generate double-digit revenue growth and mid- to high double-digit profit growth. So we're talking about profit leverage, not the opposite way. And HomeAdvisor is -- it's what we said. We rebranded it. We took some hits, as we've talked about on the traffic side. That's recovered. It's growing now. We're -- simultaneously with the consumer side of the rebrand, we've been working hard on the service provider side in terms of developing new business model alternatives, subscription products, et cetera, to go along with the traditional regeneration model, which, we think, makes it stickier. And we expect momentum to continue to build. Clearly, the first 6 months, were rockier than we expected with the rebrand. And some of that was by our own hands, some of it is just the nature of these things. But we think that's behind us, and we think the stuff on the SP side is promising. So we see momentum coming out of the year.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Heath Terry of Goldman Sachs.

Heath P. Terry - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Greg, I just had a couple of questions. You mentioned you've gone through the implementations. Does that mean that you've completed all of the implementations that are required under this latest understanding with Google? Or are there others -- other changes that still need to be done post the changes that were made July 1? And then I guess this is a little bit like Jason's question, but given that Google is obviously enforcing a different standard for toolbars with other companies in the space, what kind of confidence do you have that this latest agreement is going to be in place for an extended period of time? And then if you can just clarify for us with regard to Tinder exactly what IAC's ownership stake in that business is? Grégory R. Blatt: Sure. On the first question, again we're not going to speak about specific policy implementations. As Jeff said, we -- first quarter this year, we implemented a change that we had agreed to literally more than 1 year before. That said, I think we're pretty clear that the financial impact from the most recent agreement on Applications is most profound in Q3. So I think certainly from that, I think you can derive that -- whether there is any more changes to come or not, and we don't really highlight that. The ones that impact our business most profoundly have been implemented. In terms of confidence, well, I have supreme confidence in the next 3 years that -- for the remainder of the contract that those things are not going to change in any meaningful way. I mean, that's just the nature, I believe, of the agreement we have with Google. Beyond that, that's a new agreement, but we feel pretty good about our relationship. We talk to them all the time. So I feel good about where we are. I think we're aligned with Google, and I don't see any real changes there. In terms of Tinder, I mean, okay, and so we control it, we own the vast majority of the stock and management has various equity interests in it as well. But it is, for all practical purposes, an IAC property like any other.

Operator

Operator

We'll go to Peter Stabler, Wells Fargo Securities.

Peter Stabler - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Just 2 quick questions. Greg, thanks for all the color on Match. That's very helpful. So just kind of one big picture question there. Do you guys think that the kind of near ubiquitous adoption of social platforms by, let's say, those folks under 30 is providing any sort of kind of secular attitudinal tailwinds to the adoption of your Developing assets, the free-to-use assets in the Personals business? And is this part of the reason why this "relatively mature business" now can look at an accelerating profile for the next couple of years in terms of usage and subscribers? And then secondly, a quick one on Search. Could you give us a little bit more color on the international contribution to the growth you're laying out for the next year or 2? Grégory R. Blatt: Okay. If I understand your question, the first one, if I don't, please correct me. But it is certainly right that, going back to the beginning of certain of these social platforms, it was a huge boost to our business. There are a series of barriers, I guess, to any business but certainly to ours. And one of the original ones was just the notion of putting all your personal information in a profile and sending it out. When we were sort of the first ones doing that, there was stigma associated with that. Once Facebook, Myspace, et cetera, came along and everyone got used to doing that, we felt acceleration. And I think as those sorts of things have proliferated, it is unequivocally true that the whole notion of doing social things online has become much more normal. And that has boosted us. When you look at the portfolio, it's always been true that people under 30 behave differently than people over 30.…

Jeffrey W. Kip

Management

Peter, can you just repeat the question?

Peter Stabler - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Yes, just curious about the contribution on the international side to Search, in the quarter. And then expectations going forward, is it going to be more heavily weighted to international growth versus domestic?

Jeffrey W. Kip

Management

More of our growth -- more of our query growth is coming internationally than domestically in this segment, which is a good thing. And we think there's a lot of opportunity out there in an array of geographies. I think you should expect that more of the raw growth certainly in queries will come internationally. That does have the effect and has had the effect of keeping our RPQ flattish because the international RPQ is lower than the domestic, which long term is probably a good thing because there's an additional opportunity to develop. So yes, we do expect continued growth for several years internationally.

Operator

Operator

We'll go to Brian Fitzgerald, Jefferies.

Brian Patrick Fitzgerald - Jefferies LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Maybe following on, on top of Peter's question. You had nice growth out of Developing Match, paid subs at 69%. That includes international. You also had solid international services and requests and accepts growth. How do you see international progressing for those 2 fronts? Grégory R. Blatt: The 2 fronts being sort of the Match international business and the HomeAdvisor international business?

Brian Patrick Fitzgerald - Jefferies LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Yes, Greg, yes. Grégory R. Blatt: Okay. Yes, I think they're somewhat -- I mean, they're definitely run independently and they have independent trends. But I think on the Match side, we feel very good about it. Developing within Match is a combination of North American businesses and international businesses. So it's a little complicated. And frankly, they have relatively different characteristics in that they have different margins, they have different marketing characteristics, et cetera. So it's sort of a -- it's a tough bucket. I will say that the margin overall in Developing has been improving meaningfully. You've got a combination of businesses like OkCupid and Twoo, which are very, very high-margin businesses. And then you've got certain investment properties in different countries where -- in developing countries where the -- it's negative. But overall, it's actually turning into a very healthy margin business for us. And we expect that growth in Developing overall to continue very significantly. I mean, again, as I've said to an earlier question, we think Core is going to continue to grow nicely with great margin leverage, but we think Developing is going to be a real boost not just on the PMC and revenue side, but a real contributor to profit growth going forward. On the HomeAdvisor side, the growth is good. I mean, it's still early. The dynamics of -- so early in these various markets. But we're not making big investments there to get that growth, and we think it's meaningfully enhancing the value of that asset. So we feel pretty good about it.

Operator

Operator

We'll go to Eric Sheridan, UBS.

Eric James Sheridan - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst

Sure. Two quick questions. One, the Search business, was there any impact in the business at all from Google's enhanced campaign transition that occurred as we moved through June and July? If there was anything to call out there that might make it easier for the comping this year. And then second one is about the CityGrid decision to move sort of CityGrid into Search and how that might play into a mobile strategy longer term. Grégory R. Blatt: Okay. You were cutting in and out, so I'm going to -- I think your question was has enhanced campaigns at Google affected the business? And will the move of CityGrid into Search & Applications, does that have implications for our mobile strategy? Was that the 2 questions basically?

Eric James Sheridan - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst

Yes, that's both of them. Grégory R. Blatt: Okay. On the first question, look, we haven't really seen meaningful impact from it to date. We think long term it's good for us. It's not an accident that Google continues to improve its monetization machine. These things generally are good, and they generally are good for everybody of scale. So we haven't seen much impact, but we think to the extent there is impact on us, it will be positive. On the CityGrid side, I think it goes back to the statement I made earlier, which is in terms of thinking about how we organize ourselves. We've got a bunch businesses. We're always sort of rethinking to some extent how to operate and organize these things. It just became increasingly clear that the Citysearch business, along with its sort of CityGrid network, could be run better as part of this sort of information discovery set of businesses where our skill sets for optimizing pages, monetizing, et cetera, was just better. In terms of mobile, I don't think it, in and of itself, has any big implications for mobile. The -- Urbanspoon has a very strong mobile presence, Citysearch, less so. They're all their own businesses, and I don't think the one really implicates the strategies in the other.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Nat Schindler, Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Nathaniel H. Schindler - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst

2 questions, and I know this first one has been a little bit hammered to death, but I'm still a little confused by it. Your Applications query growth was quite dramatic versus last quarter and really versus any of the quarters before. You -- it doesn't -- it would make sense that, that wouldn't change that much quarter-to-quarter. But this quarter, it did. I can understand Google making -- enforcing some sort of change on you that affects your monetization of a query once you get it. But how does Google change something that really could affect you dramatically in how many queries you get in a given quarter? Secondly, can you just clarify your second half guide for Search? Is that acceleration you're predicting in the second half organic? Or is it just a reflection of the move of Urbanspoon and CityGrid? Grégory R. Blatt: I'll take the first question. Think about it this way, which is, I think you're right that the -- once an application had been installed, I think that the query growth is the query growth. But I think that certain policy changes can impact the number of total applications that get installed. And so to the extent that you bring down at some level the number of applications that are installed, then you're going to bring down query growth. So that's the way that the change in the agreement can impact queries. On the acceleration part, Jeff, why don't you take that?

Jeffrey W. Kip

Management

Look, the acceleration is primarily organic, and it's primarily driven by the Websites business. As Greg mentioned, there's $25 million or $30 million of revenue with only modest, very modest, profit expected in the second half the year, moving from Local up into the Websites and full Search business. But really, it's driven by the strength of Websites' recovery, just as we've been saying.

Nathaniel H. Schindler - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst

Okay, great. And just a quick follow-up on that first point on the Applications growth. Wouldn't Google's policy changes that are going into effect now, actually start to -- at least the change from first quarter to second quarter, if anything, limit new installs instead of accelerate them? Grégory R. Blatt: Sure. There weren't any changes that had an implication really for us between Q2 and Q1. So the changes that -- the impact we're having are due to things that really have been implemented more in Q3, and that's why we're going to have the impact in Q3. So the Q2 acceleration was really a reflection of, a, Q1 being more tamped down than typical because of a monetization adjustment that we'd had that we talked about, plus last year's Q2 being abnormally down. And so you saw a big jump in Q2. So we don't really look at Q2 as been -- having been some explosive abnormal growth in our Applications business maybe it's because we know too much, I guess. But we just saw it as sort of back to normal with a couple of things that made the comparison look stronger. And then again, we're taking this onetime hit in Q3, which will impact sort of installs modestly. Again, bring us back to Q1 levels, not Q1 2013, not Q1 2010, and we're going to grow from there. So we think it's actually, in the grand scheme of things, pretty muted.

Jeffrey W. Kip

Management

It may help you, Nat, if you look at it on a sequential basis rather than a year-on-year basis. Q2 had a pretty normal 4% sequential growth going from Q1 to Q2, which is similar to what we see. Websites had a higher query sequential growth when you look at it the same way. And so maybe, that puts it in context for you a little better.

Nathaniel H. Schindler - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst

I think the challenge is I'm missing the query number from Q1 '11, so to be able to see the real movements and -- on multiple quarters even on a sequential basis is difficult.

Jeffrey W. Kip

Management

Right. But...

Nathaniel H. Schindler - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst

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Jeffrey W. Kip

Management

I think if you look at the pattern -- if you look at the pattern even in the numbers that you have, I think the only sequential drop you'll see is Q1 to Q2 last year, which Greg called out as a little bit of an outlier quarter for us, so.

Nathaniel H. Schindler - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst

Okay, it makes sense. Grégory R. Blatt: I don't remember what happened in that quarter, but that throws the year-over-year comparison out a little bit.

Operator

Operator

We'll go to Michael Graham, Canaccord.

Michael Graham - Canaccord Genuity, Research Division

Analyst

Strategically in the dating business, could you give us a feel for are there synergies across owning multiple properties? You talked a little bit about subscribers sort of moving up market from OkCupid to Match. But like, do you market to those OkCupid people to get them to Match? Do you cross-promote? And then secondly, I just wanted to ask about buybacks or sort of capital allocation going forward. You repatriated a lot of money, roughly half your OIBA in terms of buybacks, which is -- which shows good commitment. There was a certain amount of new share issuances, it looked like, in a quarter or 2. I just want to see if you could comment on your philosophy around issuing shares to employees. And is that top heavy in the organization? Or does it spread out? And just give us a little more feel for your philosophy around issuing shares. Grégory R. Blatt: Sure. I think on the first question, are there synergies, yes, there are synergies. Do we cross-promote? Yes, we cross-promote. But the reality is that I think the cross-promotion stuff tends to be all replicable commercially. I mean, there are dating sites that you can buy traffic on and everything else. I think the much bigger synergies is, what I'll call, competencies and skill sets. So I think that the ability to have -- I mean, it's really amazing. We had like our Match outing, the annual -- so -- and there were people coming from all over the world. And these people are all -- so we've got probably 40, 50 different brands, probably 20 different business models but all serving a similar purpose. And the knowledge sharing that goes on among product, marketing, et cetera, across these things that help sort of distribute things…

Operator

Operator

We'll go to Victor Anthony, Topeka Capital Markets.

Victor B. Anthony - Topeka Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Going back to a previous question on the long-term sub growth potential, so maybe you can help us with the size of the pie. Is it 10 million, 20 million potential subs? And what penetration level you hope to achieve longer term? And perhaps you could update us on the active registered user base in the Personals business. And a second on Match, how do you view the online Personals segment from a consolidation perspective? Do you have the right mix of assets now? And is there an opportunity for you to add more? And on Search, maybe you could discuss the RPQ trends at both Websites and Applications in the quarter? Grégory R. Blatt: Okay, there was a lot in there. Let me try and get them all. I think in terms of nailing a particular subscriber number, I think that's very hard. I think business models evolve. I think that, as we've said, right now, we've got more than 3 million global subs. We expect solid growth there. So certainly, I think over the next 5 years for our business, can we get to 5 million, 6 million subs? I think we can. The question, though, is you have various businesses, like Twoo, like Tinder, like OkCupid, that are going to monetize in a variety of different ways, and subscribers may not be the best method of monetizing those sites. And so I think that thinking about it -- increasingly thinking about it in terms of pure subscribers is going to be wrong. Right now, it's still the vast majority of the revenue. And certainly, in the U.S. and Europe, that will continue to be sort of the core of the business. But I think that you're going to see lots and lots of different ways to monetize the overall population, which again, I think, is -- you see these waves of adoption, like Tinder is bringing, where suddenly Miss U.S.A. last quarter was on Tinder, that didn't happen 2 years ago. And you see these waves of things that bring people into this category. It's almost, -- to use a bad analogy, it's like a gateway. You use Tinder and suddenly you've done it. It works, you say, Oh, this is great. And then suddenly, you're willing to do all these things. And that's happening globally. And so I think that the category is going to get very large. In terms of -- what was the other question?

Jeffrey W. Kip

Management

RPQ trends on... Grégory R. Blatt: No, no, no. There was one more Match question.

Jeffrey W. Kip

Management

Active registrants? Grégory R. Blatt: Is that -- that I don't have. But what -- there was one other Match question.

Victor B. Anthony - Topeka Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Yes, I was curious about the consolidation in the space. Grégory R. Blatt: Yes.

Victor B. Anthony - Topeka Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Right. Grégory R. Blatt: Okay, I think it's very much -- we're a global business, but this is, in many ways, a series of local businesses, meaning in any given market, there are different consolidation sort of characteristics and needs. I think in the U.S., there is nothing that we need that we don't have. That doesn't mean there aren't things we would buy under the right circumstances because we do think that in general, we are good at operating these businesses and there are real efficiencies to owning multiple businesses. They have tended not to be so much on the cost side, more on the competency side. But we know there is cost to be gotten, too. So I think over time in the U.S., you could see more consolidation, but it will be 100% opportunistic. In terms of Europe, as we said, we are looking to add new brands and new things, so I think you could see a little more there. And globally, each market is its own thing. And I think there's lots of opportunity for M&A internationally, and we're very much looking at all that stuff. Jeff, do you want to handle RPQ?

Jeffrey W. Kip

Management

Yes. Just in terms of RPQ, we're expecting RPQ the rest of the year to be flat to modestly up sequentially in both of our businesses. We actually expected that this quarter, Websites came off a little bit because of higher international growth mix than we thought but wasn't really anything unusual in terms of how it played out. And in fact, if you were to look at it apples-to-apples, domestic versus international, we're growing our domestic RPQ, just as we said, quarter-over-quarter, and we think we will through engagement, through optimizations, et cetera.

Operator

Operator

We'll go to Kerry Rice, Needham & Company. Kerry K. Rice - Needham & Company, LLC, Research Division: Quick question on Meetic. And I apologize if I missed this, but can you talk a little bit about what stage you are in ramping that revenue growth? I know it was essentially flat sequentially there, but I had also thought you had started some marketing there and we're seeing some really good results and what you kind of expect in that acceleration in the second half. And then the second question I had is, when you talked about Media & Other, kind of the 2 different components, you didn't mention the e-commerce companies like Shoebuy and Outletbuy and things like that. Where does that fit in the strategy? Is there a potential that you might spin that out or sell that? And if there's any other thoughts about maybe spinning out any of the other companies like a HomeAdvisor and anything like that? Grégory R. Blatt: Sure. I think on Meetic, I think that the revenue growth in this quarter was -- there's a lot of, I think, noise in those numbers. I think revenue growth is growing nicely again on a -- on both a same dollar -- I don't really know the convert -- the currency issues, but I think we're getting a positive lift there. So I think when we think about that business for the year, I think we're thinking high single-digit revenue growth. There are some mix issues going on there, which is a lot of our growth is coming from what we call our dating business there at the expense of our matching business there. So you lose some revenue on an ARPU basis there, which is going to tamp down revenue this year in the transition versus what it would otherwise be for PMC growth. But in general, we're expecting positive high single-digit revenue growth for the year. What was -- I'm sorry, what was the other question? Kerry K. Rice - Needham & Company, LLC, Research Division: Potential around spin-outs or strategy with the e-commerce business. Grégory R. Blatt: Yes, so that -- yes, well, there -- I'm choosing to focus on sort of 2 areas, I think, are our focus. We own Shoebuy. We've owned Shoebuy for a long time. I certainly wouldn't say it's our focus. But it's a good business. It's growing. And I think that we have these sort of -- so you can start at the center and say this is what we most are and then there are other things that are less at, and Shoebuy is in that category. But we like the business, and I think that we have no immediate plans to do anything with any of our assets. But we do always look to rationalize the business. And so that's part of who we are. And we do revisit those things from time-to-time but no immediate plans.

Operator

Operator

We'll go to Dan... Grégory R. Blatt: We have one more question? We have 2 more questions.

Operator

Operator

We'll go to Dan Kurnos of The Benchmark Company.

Daniel L. Kurnos - The Benchmark Company, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Just one on Search, one on Match. First, do you think that Ask is taking share within its affiliate partnerships given Ask's perceived preferential treatment and based on its differential classification relative to the Google policy changes? And then on Match, you've talked a lot about long-term Core strength. I'm just wondering if maybe you can give us a little more color on the impact on increased marketing spend on a niche dating websites by competitors. And any thoughts of the long-term impact on Core, if that all sort of shifts towards developmental or niche in the long run? Grégory R. Blatt: Yes, I didn't understand your first question. Can you repeat that? Preferential -- I didn't understand it.

Daniel L. Kurnos - The Benchmark Company, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Because our affiliate website -- our affiliate search partner is shifting some of their traffic to Ask because of the better monetization and some of the perceived preferential treatment you guys are getting with regards to the Google policy changes. Grégory R. Blatt: Look, I think we've certainly -- look, what we've picked up -- carry-on[ph] This last quarter. I don't know -- we've always picked up partnerships, so I'm not going to attribute it to any particular thing. We think our pipeline is good. At the same time, I think one of the real interesting things that has come out of all of this is Yahoo! and certain others have really stepped up and made competitive offerings to Google, which a lot of Google's partners have chosen to take. So I think that we are seeing competitive lift, but it's not as big as it would have been had Yahoo! and Microsoft not really stepped in. I think that long term, that's actually great for us, right? I mean, we are -- we love our relationship with Google. It is as strong as it's ever been. But it's no secret that having a competitive marketplace, where people want to supply a bunch[ph] of listings for these things, really puts a safety net under the business, which is good for us. So I think the answer is yes but not transformatively so. And yet the dynamics that lead to that are actually quite positive for us. On the Match side, look, we've always lived with competition. The -- it wasn't long ago when eHarmony was outspending us by God knows what. So I think that we have grown this business throughout with other branded players in the marketplace. I don't have the sense that the current environment is any more competitive from a sort of share of voice perspective than it's been. And as I said before, I think it's good. We benefit -- the more people that come into the category, the better. So if there is a niche player out there who's speaking to a particular population in a way that our sites can't and getting people to come into the category, that's good for us. And that leads to overall growth, at least historically, in a positive way. One more question.

Operator

Operator

We'll go to the Scott Kessler, S&P IQ. Scott H. Kessler - S&P Capital IQ Equity Research: So just one quick question, which is about About.com. Obviously, you guys acquired the property a little less than 1 year ago. You provided us some details about the revenues, but I'm just kind of wondering, as we've seen a lot of the improvements you've made over the past year, can you talk a little bit about what more you see in terms of opportunities especially over the nearer term? Grégory R. Blatt: Sure. I think that, we sort of thought about About in sort of 2 phases. There was the sort of clichéd low-hanging fruit, and then there was sort of longer-term opportunity. I think that in first year we have absolutely nailed it on the low-hanging fruit in terms of really orienting the sites in a different way, et cetera. I think the longer-term stuff, which is well under way, I mean, we hired a new CEO a few quarters ago, Neil Vogel, who's doing a fantastic job, is really about the continued creation and distribution of content in a much more data-driven and optimized way. I think that the way that content was developed, paid for, distributed previously was, I don't want to say haphazard, but it was not oriented around a sort of concrete economic model. And we think that we're going to be able to generate more content, distribute it more widely in a way that then leverages the monetization and other improvements that we've made throughout the site. So while I wouldn't expect 50% growth year-over-year into the future, we do expect strong double-digit growth for a while to come, and we feel really good about it. So I think that's it. Thanks for joining us. Again, we feel great about the business. We feel great about where we're heading. We're going to have a very solid second half and looking forward to a really, really good 2014. So thanks for joining us, and we'll talk next quarter.

Operator

Operator

And that does conclude today's conference call. Thank you for your participation.