Operator
Operator
Good day, everyone, and welcome to the IAC Reports Q1 Results Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Jeff Kip, CFO. Please go ahead, sir.
IAC InterActive Corp. (IAC)
Q1 2013 Earnings Call· Wed, May 1, 2013
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Operator
Operator
Good day, everyone, and welcome to the IAC Reports Q1 Results Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Jeff Kip, CFO. Please go ahead, sir.
Jeffrey W. Kip
Management
Thanks, operator, and thanks, everyone, for joining us this morning for our first quarter 2013 earnings call. Let me briefly remind you all that during this call we will discuss our outlook for future performance. These forward-looking statements may be preceded by words such as we expect, we believe, we anticipate or similar statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, and our actual results could differ materially from the views expressed today. Some of these risks have been set forth in our first quarter 2013 press release and our periodic reports filed with the SEC. We will also discuss certain non-GAAP measures today. I refer you our press release in the Investor Relations section of our website for all comparable GAAP measures and full reconciliations for all material non-GAAP measures. I'm going to now turn it over to Barry for a few remarks, then I'll take it back and quickly walk through our financial results and outlook, then Greg will talk about some of the key drivers of the business and then we'll open it up to Q&A.
Barry Diller
Management
Good morning, everyone. Not to make a statement [ph] or an announcement, but this is going to be the last regularly scheduled call for me with -- at our quarterly earnings. I've been doing it now for, I think, long enough, 18 years. And I think Greg Blatt and Jeff Kip and all of your questions are properly dealt with, and I don't think I add that much value. I'll come back when I have something specific to say about something. One thing I would like to mention to all of you is something we've been thinking about in the last weeks. It doesn't really -- it doesn't certainly change our report, it doesn't change any of the way we actually do things. But it's a way of thinking about our company and our businesses, which is that, as you all know, we've got 2 main businesses, and they've been our main businesses for some time now. And they are growing, and we spend time on them, and we should spend time on them. We then have a group with the elegant name, Other. In that group are 12 or so individual businesses that, hopefully, they don't matter to us in the sense of materiality. They're $600 million or so in revenues, and essentially, they'll make or lose a few million dollars. I think, this year, they're -- all of that revenue, is planned to lose about $10 million. These are businesses that we are investing in. And these are businesses that are, say, why are we even bothering rather than focusing primarily on the 2 main businesses. But the reason is, is that we're hopeful that 1, 2, 3, who knows, of these could become a third large business or fourth large business. Really, for the last almost 20 years, that has been the course of the company and how it has developed. And so I just think orienting ourselves to think of 2 businesses plus a lot of optionality that does not -- is not a drag on us is a -- to me, it's a healthier way of looking at our business. It doesn't mean we're not going to talk about these businesses when we have something to say about them. But essentially, they're not of any great matter until one of them becomes substantial. And when one of them does, that will clearly be something we'll talk about. Or when we have prospects for them that, individually, that are worthy of noting, we'll do so. So with that, I will turn the call back to Mr. Kip, and we'll proceed with the meeting. I'll stay on for the rest of this meeting as well for your pleasure.
Jeffrey W. Kip
Management
Thanks. We had a solid first quarter, with 16% revenue growth and 24% OIBA growth on an as-reported basis. Pro forma for About.com and News_Beast revenue and OIBA growth were 8% and 29%, respectively. The shutdown of Newsweek Magazine in December effectively reduced the pro forma revenue growth rate by approximately 250 basis points for the quarter. It's worth noting that this was IAC's 16th straight quarter of 15% or more OIBA growth and our ninth straight quarter of OIBA margin expansion. Search & Applications had a good first quarter, with as-reported revenue growth of 16% and OIBA growth of 27%. Our revenue came in a little lower and our OIBA a little higher than expected because of CPC softness at Google, which led us to hold back a little on marketing spend. We did see CPC levels recover by the end of the quarter however, giving us confidence in our expectations for the full year. Additionally, on a year-over-year basis, we took about $5 million or so of unprofitable legacy Pronto revenue out of websites as part of the restructuring of that business in the first quarter, which contributed to the lower-than-expected revenues there. On an organic basis, websites revenue was virtually flat sequentially. For the full year, we expect solid double-digit revenue growth pro forma for About and somewhat stronger on an as-reported basis, with margin leverage resulting in strong double-digit OIBA growth pro forma for About or approximately 1,000 basis points or so higher on an as-reported basis. This is modestly better than the outlook from our last call. In the second quarter, revenue growth were roughly doubled from the first quarter rate on a pro forma basis, with a somewhat less dramatic jump on an as-reported basis. OIBA growth will accelerate from the first quarter rate,…
Barry Diller
Management
That's a good report.
Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question from John Blackledge with Cowen and Company.
John R. Blackledge - Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division
Analyst · Cowen and Company
A couple questions. On Search, it looks like the website segment, x-About and Pronto, declined about 3% sequentially, which was worse than we thought. Could you just talk about the drivers there in 1Q and also discuss the revamps marketing in the second quarter and how that could drive the website segment the rest of the year? And then also just it looks like the revenue for query declined in both segments. Can you just provide some color there and trends for the rest of the year?
Jeffrey W. Kip
Management
Sure, John. A couple things. One is, as I noted, we restructured the Pronto business. We took a bunch of unprofitable revenue out of that. If you stripped that restructuring out, you're probably pretty close to flat in websites. And then when, I think, you look at the fact that Google announced that CPCs were down 4%, that led us to probably pull back a little bit of marketing and reduce a little bit of volume. We're really right on top of where we thought we'd be. We are continuing to ramp the marketing spend. We do expect queries to accelerate through the year. We actually also expect RPQ to accelerate throughout the year sequentially. And I think that, in terms of your RPQ question, there's really 3 factors: one is there's been a modest impact from the policy change in both websites and applications; secondly, you do have the CPC issue; and then thirdly, our international growth, where RPQ is probably 60% of domestic-ish, our growth has been a little bit faster year-over-year over the last quarter. And so we've seen a little bit of a mix shift, which is the last piece of the RPQ shift. And again, we think those will go up sequentially throughout the course of the year. Grégory R. Blatt: Yes, let me just add to that. It's important, on the policy side, that is not a trend. That is a onetime hit that we absorb in the quarter, and now we grow from it. CPCs have already rebounded. So as we've said, we expect the RPQs to increase across both areas throughout the year.
Operator
Operator
We'll take our next question from Peter Stabler with Wells Fargo.
Peter Stabler - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division
Analyst · Wells Fargo
A question on Match, if I could. So the mix of Core and Developing was a bit different than we expected. As you look out over the remainder of the year, would you expect the growth profiles to kind of remain in proportional balance that we saw in this quarter or I think that you touched on Core PMCs to drive a better growth profile for Core Match? If you could just clarify that a bit for me. Grégory R. Blatt: I'm not sure I got the entire question, but let me try. And then if I missed it, if I don't answer it, you can ask again. I think if you look -- if you exclude the acquisitions that we did in Developing this quarter, I think growth rates for Core, Meetic and Developing were all roughly comparable within a couple percentage points of each other. And when you add in the acquisitions, that led to an 11% growth rate for PMC overall. By the end of the year, I think I said we're going to be up into the high teens overall. There is going to be growth in all 3 of those buckets. So the growth rates will increase in all 3 of those buckets on the way to the high teens number. And so in other words, we're expecting to get double digits in all of them. But I think Developing, just given the dynamics of Developing, which is it's been declined for a long time because you had runoff of businesses that were in decline and you had growing business of earlier-stage businesses, I do expect the Developing -- I expect Developing growth to exceed growth in the others for some time, which is why they're called Developing. It is the small high-growth products, high-growth geographies. And so over time, we expect Core and Meetic to be very strong growth, but we think that Developing will be higher growth. That's just the nature of it. Did that answer your question?
Peter Stabler - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division
Analyst · Wells Fargo
That did. And one quick follow-up, Greg. Could you comment on the new product initiatives in Match and any update on the success you're seeing there? Grégory R. Blatt: Sure. I mean, again, events, we have multiple different types of product initiatives. As I said, we do lots of stuff that you would never notice, which drives real results, and that's been our bread and butter for a long time. On the events business, it's actually really exciting. We've gotten to a point now where, literally, the average event has about 50% returning members. So you've got the people who use them, like them a lot and keep going, what that means is that, over time, as the people who go keep coming back and new people come, the penetration in our business is going to get very high. And we think that's a real huge differentiator that, over time, leads to higher retention rates, with the higher conversion we see in some markets and not others. But overall, the metrics are good. I prefer to think of it as sort of a core sort of attribute of the business that continues to make it standout and drives what are going to be real double-digit PMC growth rates for the remainder of the year.
Operator
Operator
We'll take our next question from Ross Sandler with Deutsche Bank.
Ross Sandler - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division
Analyst · Deutsche Bank
Congrats on Tinder. The New York City dating scene will never be the same. A couple questions though, Barry. First a little clarification on your initial comments. Was that just meant to highlight some of the emerging opportunities in those other areas? Or is there some larger legal separation in the works?
Barry Diller
Management
No, no, no. Sorry, I'll just quickly deal with that. No. It signals nothing other than I just think it's a more interesting way for me, for my colleagues, and I think for you too, to look at our businesses, 2 businesses plus essentially a scope of optionality for new businesses to become significant. That's all.
Ross Sandler - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division
Analyst · Deutsche Bank
Got it. Okay. And then second, Greg, can you talk about the relationship between Core PMC growth of, call it, 8% and accelerating in the next couple quarters? And then the revenue growth, does that reflect the mix between sites, or is that longer-duration subs? What's driving that? And then the last question for Jeff. Search Application revenue was up modestly quarter-on-quarter in the first quarter. Do you expect that growth to continue in 2Q? Will there be any impact from Google policy changes beyond what you saw in the first quarter? Grégory R. Blatt: Yes, on the digression between PMC growth and revenue growth, I think at any given time, you got a number of different mix issues going on. You've got -- there's always pricing optimization going on at Match. So with geo price, there's different prices in different markets. There is different prices for different packages. They're constantly changing all that. So at any given time, you can see the ARPU from that going up or down. Our intent is always, frankly, to trade longer packages for a lower price because that is much better on a long-term basis, but that does have the impact of driving ARPU down. Then you've got the mix shift between Match and People Media. As I said last year, the Match business, as it's focused on events, lost the step on growth. People Media didn't. So during that period, People Media was growing really well. And it's got 30 brands, all of which have different pricing, but all of which pricing is lower than Match's. And plus they were shifting people out to longer package mix as well. So there has been this digression. I think what I would expect over the rest of the year is for, as I said, Core PMC growth rates to increase. I think the distinction between PMC growth and revenue growth, there will continue to be a gap, but I expect that gap to narrow even as both rates rise. So I think you've seen a period of that mix shift, now with Match growing sort of very steadily, but Match's growth sort of mimicking People Media's growth. That dynamic will reverse itself. But because of the subscription nature of these things, there's a lag time in how the revenue and PMC growth rates match up. So I think that the easiest answer is that it will narrow meaningfully over the course of the rest of the year as the number increases.
Jeffrey W. Kip
Management
And then in terms of your last question, we expect sequential growth in the Applications business with everything we know factored in. We expect the query growth to continue at or above the level it's been at and we expect RPQ expansion, Q2 over Q1.
Operator
Operator
We'll take our next question from Jason Helfstein with Oppenheimer. Jason S. Helfstein - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: Few questions. Just on the last part, can you expand just a little more? I mean, is it fair to say -- we're seeing now -- whatever the Mindspark and the application products look like, that, that won't change? Or the way that consumers use, effectively, we're seeing that business will call run rating right now. Second question, CapEx was a little high, or I guess was high relative to historical levels. Can you comment why? And then on stock repurchases, should we expect repurchases to have a seasonal pattern that looks something more like the company's ability to generate free cash? And I guess, lastly, did you guys pay Martha Stewart for her plug of Match.com? Grégory R. Blatt: On the last point, I worked for Martha for a long time, so call it a deferred -- call it deferred executive compensation 10 years down the road, but we're very happy that she has chosen to use our product.
Barry Diller
Management
An [ph] enormous amount of publicity. She does generate it. Grégory R. Blatt: She does generate it.
Barry Diller
Management
Maybe also too, it'll get you some male subscribers who want to date a middle-aged woman. Grégory R. Blatt: I don't even know what that means. Now I've actually lost the question that was directed at me.
Barry Diller
Management
Well, I said that [indiscernible]. Grégory R. Blatt: Could you repeat the question for me? Jason S. Helfstein - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: Okay. I need more detail just about the application [indiscernible] my question. Grégory R. Blatt: Okay. Look... Jason S. Helfstein - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: But is that product run rating right now? Grégory R. Blatt: I remember. I remember. Look I think the answer is we don't discuss our policies. We have a contract with Google, that Google requires our confidentiality. We don't disclose it. What I will say is that the outlook we've given incorporates everything that's going to happen. For reference, in Q1 of this year, we actually implemented a policy change that we'd agreed to Google on 1.5 years ago. So things -- but there were offsetting changes that happened at the same time. So I'm not going to say that there are no new changes to come. There will be some changes. But those changes are fully factored into the outlook that we've given. And these are things that we've been able to test, quantify. We understand pretty well, and so I think that they're fully incorporated.
Barry Diller
Management
I want to talk on stock buybacks, and then Jeff will do CapEx. No, there's nothing to be read in this whatsoever. We're not seasonal. We are always opportunistic, and you shouldn't -- although I know you do and will -- take each quarter and say, "oh, that was a nice amount or that was not a good enough amount, et cetera." To us, we bought back nearly half the capitalization of the company. Grégory R. Blatt: We bought -- we spent $300 million on buybacks in Q4 than -- so it's...
Barry Diller
Management
It is not going to be regular, nor do I believe it should be. Our general thrust has been -- if you look at the past, and the past is a prologue -- has been to shrink the capitalization. Jeff?
Jeffrey W. Kip
Management
In terms of CapEx, you saw the biggest bump you're going to see all year this quarter year-over-year. That's not operating stuff in the sense that you have to realize we own sort of our own real estate. We own pieces of planes with Expedia. And so we're going to basically be at our normal run rate for the year, plus a little bit of extra spends on the real estate side. Grégory R. Blatt: Yes, but it's not like we've suddenly invested in servers or we're pursuing some high-CapEx business plan in one of our small businesses. These are sort of...
Jeffrey W. Kip
Management
Onetime bumps. Grégory R. Blatt: Yes, onetime bumps in another sort of nonoperating bucket.
Barry Diller
Management
We're low -- generally, a low CapEx business, so we intend to remain that way.
Operator
Operator
We'll take our next question from Brian Fitzgerald with Jefferies. Brian Patrick Fitzgerald - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: A couple of questions. You mentioned some technical issues around HomeAdvisor. Did those center around largely SEM or SEO? We're seeing a bit of deceleration in the domestic requests and accepts. Is there any macro pressure there? Was it largely kind of search traffic-related, i.e. it'll go away soon, question one. And two was, in terms of the toolbar business, can you give me some color around to what degree have you implemented Google policy changes around opt-out? Can you remain opt-out for a while? Or is there any type of special agreement there with Google? Grégory R. Blatt: On question one, the answer, if I remember how you framed it, is yes, which is that the issues we're talking about are largely technical. When you switch brands with different search engines, the amount of time it takes you to sort of rebound on SEO to get credit for your past activities in your SEM prioritization. Everything else can differ. There are certain techniques you use. The gap was wider and longer than we expected it to be, but it is narrowing. So while it is real cash out of our pocket in Q1 and Q2, it is not indicative, we don't believe, of any long-term effect. The brand stuff we've done, in terms of television and everything else, has been powerful, so it's an unfortunate glitch, but it is not any macro pressure. In terms of the second question, I refer to my prior answer, which is we don't and can't discuss those issues. I know that may be frustrating for you. We've given you what we -- what our outlook is, incorporating all of the things that are going to happen. And I guess you'll see them happen over time, but we're just not at liberty to discuss the differences. I will say that...
Barry Diller
Management
We're not at liberty because we have confidentiality agreement. Grégory R. Blatt: That's right.
Barry Diller
Management
But they're embedded in our relationship with Google, as everybody would expect we would have. Grégory R. Blatt: Yes, and I think it's not -- we actually -- you used the word policy, and I know Google uses that word generally. But like we have an agreement with Google. It's part of an agreement. It's not part of some general policy thing that they do. And I actually don't even know sort of necessarily what other people are subject to. I know what we're subject to. We negotiated it with Google, and that plays out over the course of the year.
Operator
Operator
We'll take our next question from Heath Terry with Goldman Sachs.
Heath P. Terry - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division
Analyst · Goldman Sachs
Greg, on the issue of weak CPCs, the 4% decline that Google reported in Q1 was actually the lowest that they've reported since Q3 of 2011. Can you help us understand why that was an issue this quarter when it hasn't really been one that you guys have cited in the past? And then if you could also help us by walking through the decision to shut down Smiley Central. You guys talked about it on your last earnings call as being something, that it generated $120 million in revenue. So I just want to sort of understand how you're thinking about the individual properties within Mindspark and whether you might see more reduction in the number of apps that you guys are offering in the future. Grégory R. Blatt: I will take the last part first, which is, I'll be honest with you, I didn't even know we shut down Smiley Central. So we have a whole bunch of products. A lot of them have natural life cycles. So if we're not offering that anymore, we're not offering it. We've got a portfolio of...
Barry Diller
Management
We have not gone out of Smileys, I can promise you that. I shouldn't exactly promise you. Grégory R. Blatt: Yes.
Barry Diller
Management
I would be shocked if we don't offer Smileys. We've been offering them for 100 years. Grégory R. Blatt: I actually -- I don't -- I wouldn't be shocked, but I will certainly tell you, to the extent we're not offering it but simply because that product has lived out its life cycle, and new products have taken over. But I guarantee you there is no macro issues surrounding the shutdown that you've said had happened to Smiley Central. We actually have an increasing product pipeline. We're offering more products and applications than we've ever offered before. And so if we have, we have, but I guarantee you, it is not meaningful to our business or indicative of anything whatsoever. In terms of the Google CPC issues, I'll turn it over to Jeff, and then I'll add on to the extent that anything comes to mind. But I don't think we comment on Google's CPC issues, meaning they are what they are, and we are subject to them. I don't know, Jeff, if you have any comments on why Google CPCs were lower this -- in Q1 and have rebounded? But I assume Google explains that to some extent on their own call.
Jeffrey W. Kip
Management
Yes, look, I think that they stayed down longer and more than were anticipated, and that's, I think, what's different that's in the past. Grégory R. Blatt: And I think that it was coupled with -- I mean, what we did say at the beginning of last quarter that -- we did on the ad policy changes that took place back in Q4 that the biggest impact of those were to reduce our revenue per query and that we would then build from there. So it may be that just the double whammy of those 2 things happening at the same time made us call this out, where previously we've grown through it. But we're subject to Google CPCs that's, I guess, that's a burden of our business, but I would say, overall, it's been a huge benefit of it. And this quarter, it went against us, but we've seen it reverse itself.
Heath P. Terry - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division
Analyst · Goldman Sachs
Okay, if we're trying to understand the mix between the impact of CPCs versus the policy changes on the deceleration of OIBA growth in Search from 40% down to 7%, how would you break up, Jeff or Greg, kind of what's driving that deceleration? Which one's having the bigger impact? Or quantify for us in some way the numbers around that. Grégory R. Blatt: The -- again, the business is relatively diverse. I think that on the -- I certainly can't quantify the 2. What I can say is that the impact of the policy side has been absorbed. And we are now growing out, meaning that is a new baseline. It's reflected in these numbers, and now we're growing. On the CPC side, they've also reversed themselves. So Jeff, do you -- are you able to quantify the sort of the -- what the relative contribution was between the CPCs and the policy changes? Again, it's actually -- here's the other reason...
Jeffrey W. Kip
Management
The way to think about is 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 with the international mix, the CPC and the policy. Grégory R. Blatt: Yes, and the other thing, to recognize this, that it's not linear, meaning when the CPCs and the revenue per query come down, we cut marketing, which leads to meaningful decreases in revenue. So they're not linear. The biggest impact on revenue was the fact that we cut marketing. The reasons we cut marketing were because in this particular quarter, the CPCs and the revenue from the policy changes were lower. So again, we're building through it. We're going to have growth throughout the rest of the year on the RPQ side, and I think it's hard to quantify given the marketing piece of the mix.
Jeffrey W. Kip
Management
And then just the only thing I'd say on Smiley Central, we shut down the desktop version of it because it wasn't ROI positive anymore. We do have a live version of it on mobile right now that we're testing a few features with so... Grégory R. Blatt: It's a product cycle. We've got a lot of products that have ramped through, and circled up and then circled down. That's the nature of the business.
Operator
Operator
We'll take our next question from Mark Mahaney with RBC.
Mark S. Mahaney - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division
Analyst · RBC
2 questions, please. Greg, I know you talked earlier about these kind of non-traditional Personals businesses, OkCupid, Tinder. You've tracked and been involved with Personals business for a long time, and were running Match previously. Do you think there's a scenario under which, 3 to 5 years from now, those kind of business models could actually become bigger than the kind of traditional subscription models that we've all known over the last 5 to 10 years? And then secondly, on About.com, are you doing anything different in terms of the way that business is being run? Is there a change to the About.com strategy, or are you just letting it run completely independently, or largely independently as it was done in the past? Do you see room for strategy improvement, in addition to just operational efficiencies? Grégory R. Blatt: On the Match question, I think I would say the following. In terms of users, as I've said earlier, I think we're already seeing that the users in the non-traditional products being bigger than the traditional products. I think in terms of revenue and contribution, I think it's a long way off. And to the extent it happens, I believe it would be driven far more internationally than domestically, although nothing would make me happier. I mean, it's actually -- it's very high margin because you don't have any costs associated with it. But look, Match and Meetic, which are sort of the core subscription businesses, are growing great. I mean, they're growing, that they're going to grow this year double-digit PMCs. And I think what you're seeing is just expanding growth around it. And if that ever laps it and overtakes it, great, that's pure upside for us. I don't see and we haven't seen even in this area of 500% user growth on these non-traditional products, it's not impacting the core subscription businesses. So we think it's upside, and we think it will be great. On the About side, we're very much running it differently. I mean, that's sort of the point, which is we bought this business. We recently brought in a new CEO who is going to execute our plan. But we took people from Ask. We moved them over to About. They brought to bear a lot of things that we understand about website advertising, distribution, et cetera, and that has led to a meaningful increase in the business. And as I said, I think we can leverage that in multiple places, and we're really excited about it.
Operator
Operator
We'll take our next question from Nat Schindler with Bank of America Merrill Lynch.
Nathaniel H. Schindler - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division
Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch
2 quick questions. One for Barry, and this is going to go a little bit on what Ross alluded to, and I'll be -- I apologize for that. But you very strongly said that you weren't looking to do something corporate with kind of the concept of when you split Match and Ask in your discussion. But could you go -- just instead of talking what you could do, talk about why it benefits you to have Match and Ask under one banner? And the second question, for all of last year, you guys were generating quite a bit more revenue growth than query growth in your applications business. That switched this quarter. Could you help me understand why last year it was growing that much faster in revenue? And then this year, what could happen other than Google policy changes? And I'm not quite sure how I understand how they would affect that directly.
Barry Diller
Management
You go first. Grégory R. Blatt: With the second question? With the first question?
Barry Diller
Management
I'll have the second one. Grégory R. Blatt: Okay. Look, I think we've said before that at any given time, it's one of the reasons that we've said we can grow at different rates than certain other search providers. At any given time, we're doing things to our business that impact a variety of factors. Sometimes, it's distribution, and we are tapping into new distribution partnerships, new marketing channels, et cetera. On the times [ph] of monetization, we are optimizing pages, et cetera. Last year was a period of heavy RPQ optimization. We're doing lots of things that were driving up revenue per query on our own products, coupled with the CPC increases was leading to really great growth on that side. We said that, that was a period of a specific bump and that we didn't expect that to continue, although we do think, over the year, we'll continue to have RPQ growth through both our own efforts and other. So I think at any given time, that mix of whether our revenue growth is coming from sort of monetization improvement or from query improvements is going to change around. It's also to do with mix of partners. There are some partners, distribution partners that monetize much better than others. And as those partnerships grow and the others decline, you have mix changes. I know it's a little complex, but you've got a lot of different drivers driving these things. And those trends can turn relatively quickly. Barry, on the...
Barry Diller
Management
On the reasoning rationale for why we operate multi businesses under the same house, we've been doing this for a very long time. It has produced -- it does produce some complexity, but it has also produced a pretty large pile of valuable assets. And it's not -- there's no absolute here. At a certain point, at least in my experience with this, at a certain point, some businesses push themselves out because they are fully developed. They have -- they essentially have a need for independence. And it makes sense for us to do so, and we've certainly demonstrated our willingness to do it. The current configuration of 2 businesses to be -- we're in 2 businesses. And then, as I said, we've got a lot of Other that doesn't really generate -- shouldn't generate, to me, too much interest or whatever because it's not -- I'm talking about the specifics of them and queries about them because they are -- as I say, they produce some revenue, but they've produced no net revenue. And when they do, God knows we'll talk about them. Otherwise, I'm comfortable right now with the mix in the businesses. But I would be disappointed if -- and again, this is very long term. I'd be disappointed if our larger businesses didn't essentially force themselves out. Grégory R. Blatt: I'd also just add on the question of why they are in the same thing, which is when we've done our other spinoffs, we've done it because we actually thought they would operate better outside.
Barry Diller
Management
Of course, they pushed themselves out. Grégory R. Blatt: That's right. These businesses have been operating great. I mean, the performance of these businesses have been great. It's actually pretty integrated process, meaning Barry and I and the rest of the team here are pretty involved in what's going on in those businesses. It is -- there is a continuum of sort of operations. I think the access to capital, you look just in the last year alone, the ability to go out and buy Meetic, to go out and buy About, both on a dime, were really -- neither of those things would've been able to be done in the absence of this ownership structure. So there while there absolutely could come a time where we think they are more valuable outside of us than within it, now is not that time. They're running great, and we frankly wouldn't shake it up.
Operator
Operator
We'll take our next question from Kerry Rice with Needham. Kerry K. Rice - Needham & Company, LLC, Research Division: Just a couple questions about Meetic and the Personals in general. I think you guys have been spending a little bit more on marketing for Meetic, and that obviously showed up in some acceleration in the subscriber growth. And this may be a clarification from what you said earlier. But when do we -- when do you expect revenue kind of to speed up to match some of that subscriber growth for Meetic? And then the second question is just, in general, do you think there's opportunities for additional consolidation within the Personals market? Grégory R. Blatt: Yes, on Meetic, I think if you look at -- if you go back and look at historically and you see whenever you're coming from -- whenever you're doing a PMC turnaround, you're going to see a meaningful lag in revenue growth behind PMC growth. If you go back and look at Match in 2009, I think you'll see that PMC growth. The waterfall effect of old subscribers running off has a real sort of impact. So I think that -- I think what we think -- what we said, which is we think we're going to get into double-digit PMC growth in the business this year in Meetic. We think we're probably going to be mid- to high-single-digit revenue growth. And then next year, that revenue growth will reflect this year's PMC growth. So that's just the accounting physics of that business. In terms of consolidation, yes, there's always room for consolidation in this business, especially internationally. I think domestically, there's nothing that we need to own, meaning we've got sort of everything checked off. That doesn't mean there's not continuing opportunity. And internationally, I think there's a lot of room for consolidation, and we're looking at it all the time. And I think our pace of M&A has been actually a pretty steady drumbeat over the last 4 years in the Personals business.
Operator
Operator
So we'll take our last question from Michael Graham with Canaccord.
Michael Graham - Canaccord Genuity, Research Division
Analyst · Canaccord
Just a question on buybacks just getting a little more granular. Can you just comment on what, in the short term, is going to drive how much stock you buy back, is it stock price mostly, how much cash you are currently generating? Second, just a quick update on -- it looks like you ended the quarter with $670 million or so in cash, and you've talked about $500 million as a comfortable level to be at. Could you just give any updated thinking on that? And then finally, if you could comment on what we should expect from new share issuances. It looks like you bought back 1.4 million of shares. The share count went down by about 600,000. So just comment on that new share issuance pace. Should that be steady and predictable, or how to think about that?
Barry Diller
Management
Well, new share issuances, for us, is solely out of executive compensation in terms of options, other. And we're on a -- we've been on a relatively steady state on that, God, over a very, very long period of time. I don't think it is going to rise or fall in the future. As far as buybacks themselves are concerned, look, our -- what we do with our cash is, first, we look as to whether or not there are things we want to invest in, either businesses that are growing or businesses that we want to acquire. After that, it's based upon, of course, how much gross cash we have and how do we repatriate it to shareholders. We instituted dividend a while ago, and we've certainly been active in purchasing stock. We'll continue to be, but we will be opportunistic. And we don't think that -- there's no roadmap here, and I understand the desire for investors is more than often to say just buyback stock and look for any signs or indications. Our overall signs are so overwhelming in that we -- as I say, we bought back almost half our capitalization. So you know where our bearing is. And other than that, it's going to opportunistic. I think that summarizes your questions. So I would say, on behalf of my colleagues, thank you, and we will be back with you in 3 months. Have a nice day. Grégory R. Blatt: Thanks, everybody.
Jeffrey W. Kip
Management
Thank you.
Operator
Operator
And that concludes today's presentation. Thank you for your participation.