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Hope Bancorp, Inc. (HOPE)

Q4 2019 Earnings Call· Thu, Jan 23, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Hello and welcome to the Hope Bancorp Q4 2019 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Angie Yang, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Angie Yang

Analyst

Thank you, Keith. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us for the Hope Bancorp 2019 Fourth Quarter Investor Conference Call. As usual we will begin - we will be using a slide presentation to accompany our discussion this morning. If you have not done so already, please visit the Presentations page of our Investor Relations website to download a copy of the presentation. Or if you are listening into the webcast, you should be able to view the slides from your computer screen as we progress through the presentation. Beginning on Slide 2. I'd like to begin with a brief statement regarding forward-looking remarks. The call today may contain forward-looking projections regarding the future financial performance of the Company and future events. These statements are based on current expectations, estimates, forecasts, projections and management assumptions about the future performance of the Company as well as the businesses and markets in which the Company does and is expected to operate. These statements constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the US Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are not guarantees of future performance. Actual outcomes and results may differ materially from what is expressed or forecasted in such forward-looking statements. We refer you to the documents the Company files periodically with the SEC as well as the Safe Harbor statements in our press release issued yesterday. Hope Bancorp assumes no obligation to revise any forward-looking projections that may be made on today's call. The Company cautions that the complete financial results to be included in the quarterly report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2019 could differ materially from the financial results being reported today. In addition, some of the information referenced on this call today are non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to our 2019 fourth quarter earnings release for the reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures. Now, we have allotted one hour for this call. Presenting from the management side today will be Kevin Kim, Hope Bancorp's Chairman, President and CEO and Alex Ko, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Chief Credit Officer, Peter Koh is also here with us today and will participate in the Q&A session. With that, let me turn the call over to Kevin Kim. Kevin?

Kevin Kim

Analyst

Thank you, Angie. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us today. Let's begin with Slide 3. Our fourth quarter results capped a successful year of consistent execution on our strategic priorities for enhancing the value of the Bank of Hope franchise. We continue to deliver a high level of profitability generating $43 million in net income or $0.34 per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2019. This reflects a slight improvement over the $42.6 million or $0.34 in the preceding third quarter. Taking a step back and looking at the full year, you may recall on our fourth quarter earnings call last January, we discussed a number of key priorities for the year. I'm very pleased to report that we have made excellent progress on these initiatives. First and most notably, over the course of 2019, we dramatically improved our core deposits, particularly at the branch level where we are having a great deal of success in attracting retail depositors to our lower cost deposit accounts. During 2019, we increased our money market and now deposit balances by 31%, our savings deposits by 21% and our non-interest bearing deposits by 2%. This strong growth in core deposits enabled us to significantly reduce our dependence on higher costing time deposits. As a result, at the end of 2019, time deposits have declined to 41.2% of our total deposits, down from 48.3% at the end of the prior year. The success we had in executing on our core deposit gathering initiatives proved critical in helping us to better manage our deposit costs, which plateaued during the third quarter of 2019 and then declined significantly during the fourth quarter. Second, another key priority was tightly managing our non-interest expense levels. Through a consistent focus on enhancing efficiencies throughout our organization,…

Alex Ko

Analyst

Thank you, Kevin. As I review our financial results, I will limit my discussion to just some of the more significant items in the quarter. Beginning with Slide 5. I will start with our net interest income which totaled $113.5 million compared with $116.3 million in the preceding third quarter. This decrease was mainly due to lower interest income on loans due to the impact of the interest rate cuts in September and October. Our net interest margin declined by 9 basis points to 3.16%. On a core basis, excluding purchase accounting adjustment, our net interest margin declined by 10 basis points. This was relatively in line with our expectations given the impact of both September and October rate cuts on our earnings asset yield. Our core loan yield, which exclude accretion income, declined 24 basis points from the preceding third quarter. This was driven by the repricing on our variable-rate loans following the September and October rate cuts, the payoffs of higher yielding loans and lower rate on new originations in the lower interest rate environment. This was partially offset by a substantial decline in our cost of deposits due to the mix - funding mix that Kevin discussed. Our cost of deposits declined 13 basis point from the prior quarter to 1.49% and I would note that this is the first quarter-over-quarter decrease in deposit costs in three years. The last time deposit cost declined was in the fourth quarter of 2016 when the total cost of deposits decreased by 1 basis point. As we guided last quarter, our total cost of deposits has continued its downward trend since the peak in July 2019. On a month-by-month basis, our cost of the deposits was 1.54% in October, 1.49% in November and 1.44% in December 2019. With a full…

Kevin Kim

Analyst

Thanks Alex. Let's move on to Slide 10. I will conclude with a few comments about our priorities and expectations for 2020. Similar to last year, we will be highly focused on deposit gathering and controlling expenses and we expect to see a continuation of the positive trends we have had in both areas. We anticipate that the environment for loan growth will continue to be challenging, as we expect that transaction activity in CRE market will remain sluggish. However, we expect to be more active in new loan production in 2020. We are also focusing on better defending our existing portfolio from the high level of payoffs we have seen in recent quarters. But importantly, our focus will continue to be on generating profitable growth. We will continue to be very disciplined in the loans we originate to ensure that we meet our targeted levels of profitability. Over the last year, we have made considerable investments in expanding our lending capacity beyond our traditional core markets. Our corporate banking group is focused on originating C&I loans and gathering corporate deposits from the middle market customer base. The experience of our expanded team of bankers has been diversified beyond financial services and now includes rather industry expertise in other areas. We believe we have established a highly scalable business model and can continue to originate loans and gather deposits without the need to hire substantially more personnel. We are also optimistic about the growth opportunities in our residential mortgage and warehouse line business. We believe that we can add a number of new clients for our warehouse line business over the course of the year, which should result in higher funding volumes that will generate interest income. And in terms of our retail mortgage business, we are working to better…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And the first question comes from Christopher McGratty with KBW.

Christopher McGratty

Analyst

Kevin maybe you could start - or Alex on the margin, obviously the environment has got a little bit tougher for the banks. But you have this - the ability to bring down deposit costs, which you talked about in your prepared remarks. I appreciate in the guidance for the first quarter, but if the rate outlook remains steady, how do we think about ultimate stability in the flow and the margin, where and kind of when?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Sure, sure. As I indicated, we would expect to have continued compression next quarter given the rate cuts that we have experienced especially October rate cut, it will continue next quarter. But as we indicated, our proactive deposit initiative as well as very disciplined pricing on the deposit, even though we have a very competitive - competition on the loan rate is very still severe. We would expect to stabilize in the second quarter of 2020 in terms of net interest margin and then second half of the year, we would expect to start to increase.

Christopher McGratty

Analyst

And as rates have come down maybe kind of a strategic question, Kevin, with the SBA business, any thoughts on potentially going back to the originate and sell model, maybe comment on where you thought, I think premiums might be today?

Kevin Kim

Analyst

Because the average rate on SBA loans are considerably higher than the other loans, we have stopped selling the loans more than a year ago. And obviously, keeping this higher rate loans in our portfolio is an important element of our overall profitable growth strategy. So it is our intention to continue the retention policy for the time being, but as always, we have been very diligently monitoring the market situation and the current premiums in the secondary market is becoming better. So we will continue to evaluate, but at this time and for the time being, our intention is to continue to retain them on our books.

Operator

Operator

And the next question comes from Gary Tenner with DA Davidson.

Jake Stern

Analyst · DA Davidson.

This is actually Jake Stern on for Gary. How is it going today?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · DA Davidson.

Good.

Jake Stern

Analyst · DA Davidson.

Good. So first question is the 10b5-1 trading program you announced in early December only runs through the end of January. Is it reasonable to expect you would utilize the full authorization by then or 1Q buybacks likely closer to 4Q levels?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · DA Davidson.

Well, as we noted in our earnings release, we were fairly active in the fourth quarter in buying back our own shares and we will continue to remain active in the first quarter. Whether we will be able to complete that $50 million program by the end of the first quarter will depend upon the overall market activity.

Jake Stern

Analyst · DA Davidson.

And how are you thinking about buyback once the current authorization is fully used?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · DA Davidson.

We do not have any additional plan in place at this time. But as in the past, we will continue to monitor our capital situation. And I would not be a surprised, depending upon the market situation and our capital situation, that the Board will consider another program later this year.

Jake Stern

Analyst · DA Davidson.

Okay. Thanks for answering that.

Angie Yang

Analyst · DA Davidson.

Just to clarify Jake, February is not a blackout period. The 10b-51 program ends in January and our blackout - which is when our blackout period ends.

Jake Stern

Analyst · DA Davidson.

I appreciate you answering the question. Just another one to follow it up. What is the quarterly CD maturity schedule on sector repricing GAAP for 2020?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · DA Davidson.

Sure. CD, we have, let's say, starting with the first quarter of 2020, total about $1.9 billion at an average rate of 2.17% is expected to mature. And the second quarter 2020, about a $1 billion at a rate of $2.33 billion. And Q3 is about $1.2 billion at a rate of 2.3% and the last quarter or Q4 of 2020, $960 million at a rate of 1.9%. So if I just aggregate all the 2020 maturity, that is about a 2.18% total of $5.2 billion.

Jake Stern

Analyst · DA Davidson.

I appreciate the color on that. Just one more and then I'll step out here. So it looks like your expense to average assets has been at 1.85% level for three of the last four quarters. Are there opportunities to lower that level further or is that the level you are comfortable operating at?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · DA Davidson.

I feel comfortable operating it, but I would expect to have some improvement. And the reason for such improvement is we will continue to grow, but with a profitable growth. So as the average assets continue to grow and our very disciplined expense monitoring especially, there is some professional fees we are monitoring very closely and also no more need such as CECL, we did have a sizable amount of investment in 2019, but we do not expect that to happen or substantially decline in 2020. But there is some offsetting increases such as FDIC assessment fee and some other. So even assuming similar level of the total non-interest expenses, let's say $70 million or $71 million, I would expect to see the non-interest expense over average asset ratio slightly below than 1.85%.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And the next question comes from [indiscernible] with Cap Security Management.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Just a couple of questions. What percentage of your loans for the past quarter were fixed versus variable? And how do you see that trending during the next 12 months? And also, what do you - are you anticipating from the loan portfolio going forward? Lower or higher from the current level of 5.04%?

Kevin Kim

Analyst

Sure. Now let me start with the mix of the fixed and variable-rate loan. But as you know, we have mortgage loans so let me break into fixed, hybrid and variable. So hybrid what I mean is, it is hybrid, but if it is at a fixed rate, let's say first five years fixed and then variable, it's called hybrid, but if it is within the fixed, we call it as fixed. So total 6% at fixed rate is a 24% at a rate of about 4.6%. And hybrid is a 37% and the variable is 39%. And that 39% or $4.8 billion of variable rate loan consisted of mainly prime-based and also a LIBOR-based. So out of that entire variable rate loan, about 55% of loans are based on the prime and the remaining is based on the LIBOR and some other indexes, but the other index is very minor. So that's the kind of composition of the fixed and the variable and I think you did ask the second question about the loan pricing or the loan volume?

Angie Yang

Analyst

It was yield expectation for loan.

Kevin Kim

Analyst

Yield, so going forward, who knows how the interest rate rule be in the next 12 months or so, but the competition on the lending side is still very competitive. So I don't think in the rule will increase on our loan yield, more realistically, we will see a small compression on our loan yields.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And final question from me. You have - what is your dividend policy going forward, because you haven't raised the dividend in six quarters. What would your criteria for potential dividend increases going forward?

Kevin Kim

Analyst

We factor into a lot of considerations when we determine the dividend rate. And as I mentioned in the script, our current dividend yield is around 4% and which is pretty good. The comparative other - compared with other players in the market and we also look at our overall capital position and dividend is one way of returning returns to our shareholders, but there will be other methods and currently, the $0.14 per quarter is the good level of dividend payout we believe. So unless there is a dramatic change in the market situation or our capital position, I think that will continue for the time being.

Alex Ko

Analyst

So the dividend payout ratio is fully 1% which we believe that's very healthy and also just to add, we have active share repurchase program and as Mr. Kim indicated, as needed we will continue to maximize our level of capital through either dividend or share repurchase and so forth.

Operator

Operator

And the next question comes from Tim Coffey with Janney.

Tim Coffey

Analyst · Janney.

Looking at the decline in gas station and car wash loans, down about $135 million, $136 million last year, what are some of the dynamics that are bringing those balances down?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · Janney.

We are looking at different marketplaces and depending on the industry and things we are trying to tighten up in certain areas we do see some risk. We have not made it any proactive efforts strategically to bring down some of those balances. But we are also just looking at the industry, we are also looking at the competition in terms of how aggressive they are getting. And I think you're seeing some of the competitiveness show up in terms of our balances there. But we don't see in terms of the overall market, we have concerns as we stated before in terms of where we are in the overall cycle. But in terms of the general markets and the industries, we don't see any big concerns in those balances. I think it's more of a reflection of the competition.

Tim Coffey

Analyst · Janney.

And if I may, the competition is I guess driving that market right now. Are those local banks or more national banks?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · Janney.

We're in a position where we see the competition from various places. So, we are seeing some of the large banks competing for our space, but we also have the smaller banks. So we do see a variety of all size banks.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And the next question comes from Matthew Clark with Piper Sandler.

Bob Sean

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

This is actually Bob Sean on for Matthew. How are you guys doing?

Angie Yang

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

Fine.

Bob Sean

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

I just was wondering if you guys had a CECL update for us and any implementation guidance you can give?

Kevin Kim

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

Sure. We did kind of disclose in the past and we are in a good shape in terms of the progress because we are doing the second parallel run testing and there is not much changes from the previous - our expectation. That's about the allowance for loan loss might increase on Day one due to the CECL implementation about 30% to 40% increase. It is subject to change and the capital impact from the CECL is kind of relatively minor. So I don't think there is any major changes from previous conversation and I do not expect major changes going forward as well.

Bob Sean

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

Okay, thanks. And I'd like to sneak one more in. Regarding the strength of your customers, have you seen positive trends in the cash flow ratios and loan to values of your customers or how has that trended over the past couple of quarters?

Alex Ko

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

We see in certain areas, a much stronger cash flow position I think [indiscernible] it's been a very good industry so far. And so, I think generally speaking, I think they've been pretty stable. I think we are seeing some industries that are showing improvements as hospitality as I mentioned before. But we have - we are not seeing any like major changes I guess if that's the question you're asking, I think basically we're seeing positive or stable trends across industries.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And that does conclude our question-and-answer session. So I would like to return the floor back over to management for any closing comments.

Kevin Kim

Analyst

Okay, thank you. Once again, everyone thank you for joining us today and we look forward to speaking with you again in three months. So long everyone.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.