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Hope Bancorp, Inc. (HOPE)

Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Tue, Oct 22, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Hope Bancorp Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note the event is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the conference over to Angie Yang, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Angie Yang

Analyst

Thank you, Nick. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us for the Hope Bancorp 2019 third quarter investor conference call. As usual, we will begin with the slide -- we will be using a slide presentation to accompany our discussion this morning. If you have not done so already please visit the Presentations page of our Investor Relations' website to download a copy of the presentation. Or if you are listening into the webcast, you should be able to view the slides from your computer screen as we progress through the presentation. Beginning on Slide 2, I'd like to begin with the brief statement regarding forward-looking remarks. The call today may contain forward-looking projections regarding the future financial performance of the company and future events. These statements are based on current expectations, estimates, forecasts, projections, and management assumptions about the future performance of the company as well as the businesses and markets in which the company does and is expected to operate. These statements constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are not guarantees of future performance. Actual outcomes and results may differ materially from what is expressed or forecasted in such forward-looking statements. We refer you to the documents the company files periodically with the SEC as well as the Safe Harbor statements in our press release issued yesterday. Hope Bancorp assumes no obligation to revise any forward-looking projections that may be made on today's call. The company cautions that the complete financial results to be included in the quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2019 could differ materially from the financial results being reported today. In addition some of the information referenced on this call today are non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to our 2019 third quarter earnings release for the reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures. Now, we have allotted one hour for this call as usual. Presenting from the management's side today will be Kevin Kim, Hope Bancorp's Chairman, President, and CEO; and Alex Ko our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Chief Credit Officer, Peter Koh is also here with us today and will participate in the Q&A session. With that let me turn the call over to Kevin Kim. Kevin?

Kevin Kim

Analyst

Thank you, Angie. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us today. Let's begin with Slide 3. In the third quarter, we executed well on our strategic priorities and delivered a quarter that we view as positive on all fronts and reflecting a continuation of the many improving trends that we experienced in the preceding quarter. In a very challenging environment for generating revenue growth, we delivered consistently strong profitability by; one, further improving our deposit mix to lower cost in core deposits; two, originating a well-balanced mix of new loans; three, maintaining disciplined expense controls and efficient cost structure relative to our exercise; and last to note but certainly not the least in terms of importance, making meaningful improvements in our credit metrics with a 35% reduction in non-accrual loans and a 20% decrease in total criticized assets outstanding as September 30 of 2019. From a net income perspective, we generated $42.6 million during the third quarter or $0.34 per diluted share which was comparable with our results in the preceding second quarter. One of the clear highlights of the quarter was the continued progress we are making on our deposit-gathering initiatives. We saw growth in all of our lower-cost deposit categories in the third quarter with the strongest growth coming in money market accounts which increased by $530 million or 16% from the end of the prior quarter. Our non-interest-bearing demand deposits were also up this quarter by 1% or $24 million. The growth in these core deposit segments enabled the bank to reduce time deposit balances by 9% improving our overall deposit mix. We -- as we have previously mentioned, we have a number of initiatives in place to enhance our core deposits and they have all contributed to our progress this year. But more than…

Alex Ko

Analyst

Thank you, Kevin. As I review our financial results, I will limit my discussion to just some of more significant items in the quarter. Beginning with slide 5, I will start with our net interest income which totaled $116.3 million compared with $117.2 million in the preceding second quarter. The reduction was primarily due to a $1.4 million sequential decline in our accretion income. Our net interest margin declined by six basis points to 3.25%. On a core basis, excluding purchase accounting adjustments, our net interest margin declined by only two basis points. This reflects continued moderation in the rate of compression in our net interest margin that we have experienced. A small decrease in our core net interest margin was due to a one basis point decline in our core loan yield which excludes accretion income. The decline in core net interest margin reflects variable rate loans repricing downwards as well as a lower rate on new originations in a declining interest rate environment. As Kevin indicated earlier, our cost of deposits was unchanged from the prior quarter at 1.62%. While we saw a small bump in the average rate on time deposits, this increase was offset by a 7% decrease in average balance of time deposits. We also recognized an increase in the average balances of our demand deposits, both interest-bearing and non-interest-bearing, as well as savings account. In particular, the average balance of interest-bearing demand deposit increased 12%, reflecting growth in the money market account balance. Overall, the favorable shift in the mix of deposit to lower cost deposit categories helped to mitigate the impact of the declining interest rate environment. Now, the expectations for the interest rate movements has continued to remain volatile. So we will not make a possession for the number of interest rate…

Kevin Kim

Analyst

Thank you, Alex. Let's move on to Slide 11. I will conclude with a few comments about our outlook. While the operating environment has been quite challenging this year, I'm very pleased with how we have executed on our strategic priorities. We have made significant progress on our deposit gathering initiatives, improved our deposit mix and more effectively controlled our deposit costs. We have been disciplined in our expense management. For the first nine months of the year, our non-interest expense to average assets was 1.86% down from 1.89% in the first nine months of 2018. We have continued to strengthen our asset quality and have kept our credit losses at very low levels. And we have effectively diversified our lending capabilities to have a more balanced mix of new loan production that is less reliant on CRE with stronger emphasis on loans with higher risk-adjusted yields. Our loan pipeline is robust going into the fourth quarter and we believe, we will see another strong quarter of loan production to close out the year. Through our continued execution on all of our strategic priorities, we believe we can continue to deliver consistently strong earnings and create additional value for our shareholders. With that, let's open up the call to answer any questions you may have. Operator, please open up the call?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] First question comes from Chris McGratty, KBW. Go ahead.

Chris McGratty

Analyst

Great. Good morning. Thanks for the question. Alex maybe start with the margin and net interest income for a second. Just want to make sure, I understand the guide. The compression was a lot less than we thought this quarter. And you guys -- seem like you're lowering deposit costs fairly quickly. Is the guidance of 5 basis points to 7 basis points per cut is that off the reported number or is that off the adjusted number excluding accretion?

Alex Ko

Analyst

It is a reported number.

Chris McGratty

Analyst

Okay. So if we get -- so if we got the September cut, if we get October we should be somewhere -- reported number should be down roughly 10 basis points or so?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Yes because it can be accumulative of July, September, as well as October. As we indicated once we have a 25 basis point reduction of the market rate, the full impact we expect a 5 basis points to 7 basis points decline in the net interest margin. So we did see the 6 basis point reduction in the first quarter, but it did not have a much full impact of the rate cut on September. So going forward again, we don't have a really crystal ball of how many rate cuts, we will have. But we can give you guidance as 25 basis point cuts, the full impact will be 5 basis point to 7 basis point decline in net interest margin. And give you a little bit more color; we do have a success on the deposit cost control. We have about 40% of loans are variable rate loans. And as the rate goes down, we have probably immediate repricing on the loan side. But I think as part of the deposit cost control, which we already seeing a improvement and the renewal rate for the CD is actually lower than the existing portfolio, so we would expect to see some deposit cost control will mitigate or offset a little bit on the -- further compression on the loan yield side.

Chris McGratty

Analyst

Understood. But given that we are -- the rapid succession of the rate cuts, the fourth quarter might look on a comparable period a little bit worse than what we saw this quarter. Okay. In terms of the accretion expectation, that number continues to kind of slowly decline as expected. Can you remind us what's left to be accreted? Maybe how CECL might affect that? And expectations for just the next few quarters for accretion income?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Sure. The last quarter, we had a higher accretion income. In terms of dollar amount, it was $8.7 million. What I mean last quarter is Q2. And Q3, we have a total of $7.3 million. So there was about $1.4 million reduction in the accretion that did have a impact about 4 basis points impact on the margin. So going forward, as we have been talking in the past on several call, the remaining -- the accretion -- accretable balances keep decreasing, so I think it will be in the neighborhood of $7 million in Q4 and it will continue to go down. In terms of a CECL impact, those accretion income for the credit-related component, if that amount is within the additional CECL-related allowance for loan losses, those balance will be added on to the allowance for the CECL impact. And we don't have that much of the credit-related unaccreted balances. I think it's less than $8 million and we are in the final stage of quantifying exact amount, but it will be a relatively small amount that will have a impact from the CECL implementation.

Chris McGratty

Analyst

That's great color. Thank you for that. And one more maybe for Kevin and then I'll step back. Can you offer your updated thoughts on the buyback. You, obviously, were not active in the quarter. Wondering if the expectations that you could resume the program. And maybe what would it take for the buyback to be utilized? Thanks.

Kevin Kim

Analyst

Well, we have been very aggressive in our prior buyback programs. But we do not think we will be as aggressive as we used to be, because a lot of factors are being monitored at this time and we will be opportunistic as we said before. So we are ready to buy back our shares when we believe it is the right time, but we haven't had that time yet. And hopefully, based upon our performance of our stock during the past several weeks or a few months, we thought that the opportunistic time has not come yet.

Chris McGratty

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Tim O'Brien, Sandler O'Neill + Partners. Go ahead, please.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. First question for you. Do you guys happen to know the dollar amount of CDs that are maturing -- scheduled to mature in the fourth quarter?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Yes, we do have. Next quarter total $1.7 billion will be maturing and actually rate for that $1.7 billion is about 2.35%. And let me give you a little bit more color on the rate. Our recent offering of those, like, call on CD, like a 12 month, is under 2%. So we will see those -- renewal for those CD that will mature, it will be repriced at a lower rate.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

And that's for the fourth quarter, the $1.7 billion?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Yes.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Now Alex would you happen to have the first quarter maturity number also, just by chance?

Kevin Kim

Analyst

Yes. I do have. That is a $1.2 billion at a rate of 2.5%, a little bit higher. But going forward, Q2 2020 and going forward, the rate is 2.3% and 2.29%. So it's a little bit lower. And Q2 2020 the dollar amount, in case you need as well, is under $1 billion and Q3 is in the neighborhood of $1 billion its respective quarter.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Do you get a sense that there might be some opportunity to lower rates on money market or another non-term deposits here in this quarter?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Yes. Tim, as you recall, in Bank of Hope, we have a higher deposit beta when the interest rate was rising the earlier of this year. So that's why we had an increase on the balance of the CD, as well as a high deposit cost. But I think we are actually in a reverse situation, meaning we had started with a higher deposit cost, but as the market rate goes down we take actually strategy to lower our deposit costs gradually. What I mean gradually is, anticipation of the rate cut, we have like a five basis points reduction and also next time we have additional five and also when it -- market actually cuts, we reduce small amounts. So, gradually we decreased those rate and that gradual reduction strategy has been in place for one or two quarters. And now we see the fruit of those strategy. And we do believe this will continue to be our top priority or strategy to control our deposit cost going forward. And especially if the market rate goes down, I think we do have a room for further reduce and that is I think relatively Bank of Hope's deposit position is better than our peers.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Thanks for that color. And then switching gears looking at the loan funding -- C&I loan fundings $283 million this quarter. Do you have a sense Alex of what the -- how much the dollar amount of that that was funded with active floor at current level? Or if any, were you able to impose active floors on some of that production?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Yes. We do have a policy to impose those on the floor, but we don't have that much. We have only small amount of those variable rates. But I think the $400 million of the actual floors in place and the rate that we actually have about $280 million origination was relatively low because we did have a C&I and warehouse loan portfolio. But we are actively seeking for the opportunity to put in place the floor kind of a kick in. But again, we don't have much dollar volume that is subject to this floor rate at this moment.

Peter Koh

Analyst

And just to add, this is Peter. I think on the new originations, particularly, I don't think that there's many opportunities to put the floors in as we are looking at them. So I think we will be opportunistic there, but in terms of originations I think most of them are already being priced without the floors.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

So it's fair to say that a selling feature for you guys to generate that business is not imposing floors like some other folks seem to be doing or having success doing. And that allows you to -- that's something that is in demand in the marketplace for your clients. Is that fair?

Peter Koh

Analyst

Right. I think for the types of originations that we are pursuing right now, I think, there are less opportunities to put floors. But we will seek those opportunities as we move forward as well.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Great. And then last quick question. Just a point of clarification on the new NIM guidance with rate cuts. Is that instantaneous kind of effect? Is that how you're looking at the five basis points to seven basis point compression? Or is that extended over 12 months per cut?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Sure. That is a full cycle of the repricing our deposit and I don't think it is repriced and take a year. It will be more in a quarter or two. For that time frame, we would expect to have a margin compression about five to seven basis points.

Tim O'Brien

Analyst

Great. Thanks for answering my questions. Appreciate it.

Alex Ko

Analyst

Thank you, Tim.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Matthew Clark, Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Hi. Good morning. First question just on the core loan yields down one basis point. I was wondering if there was any prepayment fees in that number. I'm just trying to square the repricing that occurred during the quarter from the fed cuts and the new production that was down, I think about 74 basis points?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Yeah. I don't think – no, yeah, you're correct. We have about one basis point reduction on the NIM that is from the reduction of the loan yield. The rest is the combination of investment securities and others. And there is about prepayment impact it was relatively small about -- in the neighborhood of about $1.5 million. So I don't think it does have a impact substantially on the loan yield as well as net interest margin.

Kevin Kim

Analyst

And let me give you a color on the average rate on new loan production in the third quarter, which was somewhat lower than the rates that we had in the second quarter. I think the lower overall rate environment and a flattening of the yield curve and the larger volume of warehouse credit lines in our new loan production contributed to a lower average rate on our new loan originations in the third quarter, which was 4.72%.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Okay. And then on the expense to average asset ratio, I think previously you provided guidance on that at least a range of expectations for the upcoming quarter. I think last quarter you targeted 1.85% to 1.88%, you did 1.85% at least on a reported basis. Any update there at least for the upcoming quarter with the savings on the professional side?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Yeah. Let me give you a little bit more details on the Q3 non-interest expense component. We did have FDIC fee assessment. This quarter we have zero balances. And the reason for that was we got the full credit. We offset it completely from the one-time nature of the FDIC assessment. So in Q4 and going forward, because that credit was intended for the small banks that happen to be under $10 billion but we were able to claim for that. So I don't expect Q4 those FDIC fee assessment benefit will continue. So on a quarterly basis about $1.4 million, $1.5 million we have that should have been in Q4. But also Q3 we did have a unusual increase on the salary and benefit coming from the insurance claims. We have self-funded insurance claim and it happened to be in Q3 large claims came in and we have about equal amount of increase on the salary and benefit expenses. So with that -- and I would expect to have a professional fee will slightly decrease. As I indicated on the prepared remarks, CECL is -- we are in the tail end. And going forward 2020, we will have a better efficiency or expense controls. So with that, I would still keep the same guidance’s in terms of net interest expense over average asset and between 1.85% to 1.88% range.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you.

Alex Ko

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Gary Tenner, D.A. Davidson. Go ahead please.

Gary Tenner

Analyst

Thanks, good morning. Wanted to just ask a follow-up as it relates to the margin and the third quarter delta with the fed rate cut. So you guided to a decline of five to eight basis points. You came in at six on a GAAP basis but there was four basis points less benefit from accretion. So really it seemed like you outperformed the guidance and your guidance for the fourth quarter didn't really change materially. So I'm just wondering, is your guidance for the fourth quarter does that include the full projected benefit of the CD re-pricing gap that you may have in the fourth quarter? Or would that act as an offset to that five to seven basis point’s impact?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Yeah. Five to seven basis points, it does have a impact from both loan side as well as the deposit side. The deposit cost reduction will definitely offset the full impact of the loan yield compression.

Gary Tenner

Analyst

So the five to seven is net of the CD re-pricing?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Yes.

Gary Tenner

Analyst

All right. Thanks. And then do you have the average mortgage warehouse balances for the third quarter?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Average warehouse mortgage?

Gary Tenner

Analyst

Yeah.

Alex Ko

Analyst

Yes. We do have. Let me see.

Kevin Kim

Analyst

That is average balance for the quarter is $208 million and the ending balance is $432 million.

Angie Yang

Analyst

$288 million.

Gary Tenner

Analyst

$288 million?

Kevin Kim

Analyst

That's the average balance.

Gary Tenner

Analyst

Okay. What was the average?

Kevin Kim

Analyst

What?

Angie Yang

Analyst

Second quarter?

Gary Tenner

Analyst

What was the average rate?

Kevin Kim

Analyst

The second quarter the average was $247 million and the ending balance was $301 million.

Gary Tenner

Analyst

Okay, perfect. I think that covered my questions. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Chiaverini, Wedbush Securities. Go ahead.

David Chiaverini

Analyst

Hi, thanks. Couple of questions. Starting with growth, I know your guidance for 2019 for loan growth is 2% to 3% and that assumes or I should say incorporates an elevated level of payoffs and paydowns. As we look out to 2020 and assuming that payoffs and paydowns trend back to a more normalized level, should we think about loan and deposit growth more in the mid single digit neighborhood?

Kevin Kim

Analyst

So you're talking about 2020?

David Chiaverini

Analyst

That's correct.

Kevin Kim

Analyst

Not 2019? Well, I think it is a little premature to give you a meaningful guidance for our 2020 loan growth or deposit growth. But hopefully the growth that we will have in 2020 will be bigger than what we will have in 2019. So in 2019 we are targeting at 2% to 3% loan growth, and hopefully we will achieve higher growth than that in the next year. So I think mid-single digit could be a reasonable expectation at this time, which can be further finalized as we get closer to the year-end.

David Chiaverini

Analyst

Appreciate those comments. And then shifting over to credit quality. Overall credit quality looks very good, I was curious about credit quality in your SBA portfolio now that you have been holding on to those SBA loans for a few quarters now. Are they performing as expected?

Peter Koh

Analyst

Yes. I think SBA portfolio is actually performing in line with the rest of our portfolio. So, we are not seeing any additional stress or anything like that there are so far.

David Chiaverini

Analyst

Great. Thanks very much.

Peter Koh

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Chris McGratty, KBW. Go ahead.

Chris McGratty

Analyst

Hey. Thanks for the follow-up. Alex with respect to the whole funding structure, I mean you do have $600 million or $700 million of FHLB advances. I'm interested maybe in your thoughts on whether there might be something to do there to be paid a higher cost and maybe strike the investor portfolio. How do we think about that dynamic over the next several quarters given where rats are?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Sure. I think given we have some success in loan portfolio increase, especially comes from the core loans the C&I, we would like to maintain sufficient liquidity or funding sources obviously including the core deposit that we have seen a 1% growth that is good, but we also reduced broker deposit substantially for this quarter. And FHLB advance is not our primary sources of funding for our loan growth and the current level is kind of adequate, but we will make sure we were optimizing the cost of the FHLB advance fees because sometimes we are comparing this with the core deposits and others, so we'll be much flexible. So, I don't expect substantial reduction, again, given our growth potential on the lending side. We will be very mindful paying off if we see a success in our deposit gathering from our core deposit.

Chris McGratty

Analyst

Okay, great. And then same for the consequence, I'll be just curious what probably stays about at current levels in terms of $1.8 billion or so or 16% of asset or something like that?

Alex Ko

Analyst

Yes. Given the rate cycle, I don't anticipate substantial change on the investment portfolio.

Chris McGratty

Analyst

Okay. Thanks again.

Alex Ko

Analyst

Thank you, Chris.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

Kevin Kim

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. Once again thank all for joining us today. And we look forward to speaking with you in three months for the next quarter. So long.

Operator

Operator

Conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.