Operator
Operator
Good day, and welcome to the Fourth Quarter 2011 Earnings Conference Call hosted by Harte-Hanks. Today’s conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Mr. Larry Franklin. Please go ahead, sir.
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Q4 2011 Earnings Call· Tue, Jan 31, 2012
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Operator
Operator
Good day, and welcome to the Fourth Quarter 2011 Earnings Conference Call hosted by Harte-Hanks. Today’s conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Mr. Larry Franklin. Please go ahead, sir.
Larry Franklin
Management
Good morning. On the call with me today is Doug Shepard, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Robert Munden, Senior Vice President, General Counsel; Jessica Huff, Vice President of Finance, Controller; and Gary Skidmore, Executive Vice President and President of Harte-Hanks Direct Marketing. And before I begin my comments, Robert will make a few statements.
Robert Munden
Management
Thanks, Larry. Our call may include forward-looking statements. Examples may include statements about our strategies, initiatives and business plans, adjustments to our cost structure, financial outlook and capital resources, competitive factors, business and industry expectations, legal and regulatory involvements, economic conditions in the United States and elsewhere, and other statements that are not historical facts. Actual results may differ materially from those projected or implied in these statements because of various risks and uncertainties including those described in our most recent Form 10-K and other filings with the SEC and in the cautionary statements in today's earnings release. Our call may also include non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to today's earnings release for the required reconciliations and other related disclosures. Our earnings release is available on the Investor Relations section of our website at harte-hanks.com. I'll now turn the call back over to Larry.
Larry Franklin
Management
Thanks, Robert. Before talking about the individual businesses, a couple of comments about company results. For the quarter, revenue decreased 4.8%; operating income was down 5.1%; net income was down 5.6%; and earnings per share of $0.23 was down $0.042. And I'll add some more detail about performance as we discussed each of the businesses, and then when I'm finished, Doug will provide additional details. Let's look at Shoppers first. The senior leadership changes that we announced back in the second quarter are going extremely well and in a moment, I'll update you on the many initiatives underway that we remain convinced will increase efficiency and performance in both the short and long term. Shopper revenues of $56.1 million for the quarter was down 8.3%, slightly worse than the decline in the previous quarter. [Indiscernible] for the quarter was a loss of $67,000 compared to a profit of $887,000 in the same quarter of last year. Looking at the more important industry SIC Codes for our revenue color, real estate continues to struggle with double-digit declines. However, the decline in Q4 is slightly less than in the previous quarter. The broad services category declined from Q3 due to reduced spending by career colleges, while health services continued to do better than the category as a whole. The consumer spending categories held flat with Q3 but declined from last year from the loss of a large grocery account that we've talked about this year. Furniture and retail continue to grow on the strength of recent wins. Automotive was down slightly to last year caused by declines in Auto services. Dealers continued to have good results growing in each quarter in 2011. Distribution revenue declined at a slightly faster rate than the book, the ROP revenue. One of our 2011 initiatives was…
Douglas Shepard
Management
Thank you, Larry, and good morning. Here's a company-wide overview of the fourth quarter and full year 2011. Consolidated revenue decrease 4.8% for the quarter and 1.1% for the year. Direct Marketing decreased 3.6% for the quarter and increased 2.2% for the year. Excluding the nonrecurring pharmaceutical recall in last year's fourth quarter, Direct Marketing's revenue increased 2.2% for the quarter and 5% for the year. Shoppers decreased 8.3% for the quarter and 8.8% for the year. Consolidated operating income decreased 5.1% for the quarter and 17.2% for the year. For the quarter, Direct Marketing declined 1%, while Shoppers decreased $1 million. For the year, Direct Marketing decreased 1% and Shoppers decreased 79.8%. Consolidated operating income margin was 10.6% for the quarter, consistent with last year's fourth quarter. And for the year, our operating income was 8.9% versus 10.6% for 2010. For the quarter, our free cash flow was $16.2 million versus $17.3 million in 2010. For the year, free cash flow was $47.4 million as compared to $62 million in 2010. We ended the year with $21 million in capital expenditures, bringing $0.5 million more than the $17.5 million we spent last year. For 2012, we again expect our capital spending to be approximately $20 million. Turning to our 2 businesses. In the quarter, Direct Marketing revenue decreased through 3.6% and operating income decreased 1%. Operating income margins increased to 15.8% compared to a margin of 15.4% in the 2010 fourth quarter. For the year, operating income margins finished at 13.6%, a decrease from the 2010 margin of 14.4%. Our margin increase was driven by strong quarters in our Agency and Contact Center businesses. In the quarter, our retail vertical market represented 31% of Direct Marketing revenue; high tech was 24%; black markets were 23%; healthcare pharma was 11%;…
Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Edward Atorino with Benchmark.
Edward Atorino
Analyst
Could you go through the dynamics of the loss of that business? I know you can't go into a lot of detail, but is it sort of a lot in the first half and then it comes back or is it sort of get stretched out? The big account that's cut back.
Larry Franklin
Management
No, it will be -- when you say stretched out, it'll affect the entire year. And so whatever -- we'll try to grow it to where it's going but it will be at this point anyway, we're planning for it to be permanently reduced level. Anything to add to that?
Douglas Shepard
Management
They will continue to be a very large customer.
Larry Franklin
Management
Absolutely.
Edward Atorino
Analyst
On the Shoppers business, did they get any help from the big promotions in the holiday season last year, or did that sort of fade? So what's the – I don’t know if I -- what is the current trend? Is it sort of hanging in there or is it continuing to fade the way the advertising is?
Larry Franklin
Management
Yes, it was -- as I said, the quarter had 8.3%. I think the third quarter may have been 7.5% down. And we cycle against the big grocery account that we lost in the first -- in January of last year. And so it'll, I think, stable out from here.
Edward Atorino
Analyst
Again, cost savings front loaded or that'd be spread out?
Larry Franklin
Management
In fact, some of the cost savings that I was trying to explain there was there was they will -- some of them are obviously already being realized. There are others that will be realized at the beginning of the year. And then as we get further away from the consolidations of those 4 pre-press productions processes and locations into one, we believe that we'll continue to have increased efficiencies there, which will help on the cost side. We feel good about where our cost structure is now, and that would revenues reasonably close to where they are, we should have some good profit growth throughout the year. It will be obviously you'll see more of it in the second or third quarter because the fourth quarter is the seasonally low revenue quarter. And then January is seasonally low, but we feel good about where the -- what the bottom line can be. We just want to get the growth on the top line.
Edward Atorino
Analyst
Mail costs are going up. Your paper cost is fairly stable?
Larry Franklin
Management
Stable. Paper cost in the fourth quarter were mid -- actually low double-digit increases in price. We're looking at mid-single digits.
Douglas Shepard
Management
Yes.
Larry Franklin
Management
We still -- they'll still be up in Q -- in 2012 from where they are in -- where they were in 2011.
Edward Atorino
Analyst
Because of reduced volume?
Larry Franklin
Management
Yes. Well, because of there's supply...
Douglas Shepard
Management
The supply and demand with the paper is large and providers out there and competition, et cetera. As Larry said, it was double digits for most of '11, and we do expect it to be up mid-single digits in '12.
Operator
Operator
And we'll now move on to our next question from Carter Malloy with Stephens Inc.
Carter Malloy
Analyst · Stephens Inc.
So first of all, I wanted to go back and just give a little more color if we could on your outlook for 2012, the increase in the back half of the year more or less. Could you talk about the mix of the 2 businesses? You're saying the current revenue trends but even assuming that I lift those up, it could be in the back half. I'm having a tough time getting an absolute year-over-year growth for total revenue.
Larry Franklin
Management
Before Doug talks about, when we say we're going to continue the revenue trend into 2012, that's the HDM revenue trends, which is the 2.2% that we came out of it half, which is slightly below where we had been running for the year or so.
Douglas Shepard
Management
Then obviously, we've reiterated that we're comfortable on the Shoppers side with the savings and the changes that we've made there in achieving $7 million to $8 million in savings and efficiencies that we could put action on there in the summer and late fall.
Carter Malloy
Analyst · Stephens Inc.
Right. So that's on the cost side. I certainly want to get to that in a moment. But as we look at the Shoppers business overall this year, I still have to assume that it's closer to flat growth in the back than the decline we're currently seeing in order to get to revenue.
Larry Franklin
Management
You're talking about the revenue numbers, right, Carter?
Carter Malloy
Analyst · Stephens Inc.
Correct. I'm still thinking on revenue if that's okay.
Larry Franklin
Management
Yes, you're right.
Carter Malloy
Analyst · Stephens Inc.
Okay. And then on the expense side, you've got $700 million of -- it was pretty big on the savings side. You guys are investing a little bit on the direct side of your business. And overall just looking it on absolute basis for revenue, revenue is up a little bit this year. Profit is up a little bit this year and that would indicate to me that your expenses are actually going to be flat or even down a little bit on the absolute basis and that takes into account inflation of wages and everything else. Is that a correct assumption on my part?
Larry Franklin
Management
Yes.
Carter Malloy
Analyst · Stephens Inc.
All right. That's easy. And then, on the paper cost side as well, I wanted to -- just some help with cost modeling. You guys called out $1.7 million annual postage. Can we assume the paper cost is a little greater than that on an absolute impact for the year?
Larry Franklin
Management
No. Our paper costs -- it was about 10% of our...
Douglas Shepard
Management
Total revenue.
Larry Franklin
Management
Total revenue, and postage is about 38%.
Douglas Shepard
Management
35%, 40% range.
Larry Franklin
Management
Yes. So 30.1% on the 40% would be greater than the 5% also on the paper.
Carter Malloy
Analyst · Stephens Inc.
Got it. And when you talk about percent of total revenue, you're looking at just within the Shoppers business, correct?
Larry Franklin
Management
Yes.
Carter Malloy
Analyst · Stephens Inc.
Got it. Very helpful. The department store, the cut back, I assume they are top 10 client but they're not going away, right? You just said they're reducing some?
Douglas Shepard
Management
That's correct.
Larry Franklin
Management
They are a top 10 client.
Robert Munden
Management
And will continue to be.
Carter Malloy
Analyst · Stephens Inc.
Okay. And then one more, and I'll get out of your way. Free cash flow, you guys are still turning quite a bit of free cash. Is the lean there to continue on buyback or you guys looking at the strategic M&A?
Douglas Shepard
Management
Well, right now, we have a $6 million payment coming first week of March. So we hope to use our free cash flow and everything to retire that debt. And then we'll use the remainder of '12 to accumulate cash and obviously have our large revolver out there as a back stop of M&A opportunities stock repurchases. If those type of things arise, we will have more than enough cash to address it.
Carter Malloy
Analyst · Stephens Inc.
Okay. And this maybe a little bit off question, but as you look at M&A opportunities, there are actually some very interesting. It would seem smaller, extremely and inexpensive opportunities on the trend side of the world, is that something you would evaluate? Are you still leaning towards expand the Direct Marketing business?
Larry Franklin
Management
It would be expanding the Direct Marketing business.
Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Then our next question comes from Alexia Quadrani with JPMorgan.
Alexia Quadrani
Analyst · JPMorgan.
Just a couple of questions. First on the Direct Marketing side. It's sort of a bigger picture question. But, Larry, could you maybe talk to us -- I know it's very difficult to figure out what normal times will be given where we are. But is there any color you can give us in what we should expect from the Direct Marketing business maybe in year 2 or year 3 when we see a more normalized environment? You don't have the head of this client going back and onetime comp that you're circling and stuff like that. Like, how should we view this business longer term, Direct Marketing side?
Larry Franklin
Management
On the Direct Marketing side. With the businesses that we own, we are the parts of the Direct Marketing business where we own businesses. We think a more normal revenue, top line growth rate ought to be above, mid-single digits and below double digits. We are firmly committed over time to improving the profitability on the revenues that we have. Now, as you well know, that's going to be lumpy and it's going to be -- we have this -- the good things happen, the bad things happen. But it's an attractive industry simply because there is opportunity for share. It's attractive industry because as we build out solutions that address these changing marketing challenges that our clients have, and we really are, and do become more critical to them than there -- it allows us, we believe, to or will allow us to increase our ongoing profitability. So somewhere in the mid-single to whatever is between mid-single and double-digit revenue growth and improving profits.
Alexia Quadrani
Analyst · JPMorgan.
So the struggles, I guess, that you're seeing now in the business seem to be more economic-related versus really competitive, would you say that's a fair statement? I mean, I may have missed it, but did you say that the pullback in the client, did you say if that was just sort of a pullback because of their own issues or are they moving some business...
Larry Franklin
Management
No, no, no. No, it's a strategic change in their marketing. And some of what we are facing is economic, obviously, and then some of it is what -- where we're electing to spend our dollars to be able to accelerate the growth rate in the future. So it's a combination of our investing, our managing, our internal operations and getting the growth in the business in those categories where there is the higher value, bigger opportunities for growth. As the market goes from toward more, toward the digital space, if you will, those are lower dollar, the revenue opportunities than in the more traditional space. So there's a shifting of the revenue streams that can take place, and we intend to aggressively participate in the traditional land -- I don't like the word traditional but, in that business as well as the digital space.
Alexia Quadrani
Analyst · JPMorgan.
Great. And just a follow-up. On the Shoppers side of the business, I think you mentioned that there was a bigger decrease in the number of account you worked for in the quarter. Is that, again, is that -- you're still [indiscernible] the California economy and some of these accounts going out of business or is that more of a competitive issue as well?
Larry Franklin
Management
No. And the ones that I will talk about was the territory account. It's -- I think it's more of the economy and as I've said, the revenue per account, the trends while still very, very slightly negative, from last year, they are improving a little bit. And in fact, in our California business or in our Shopper business in California, we have added some really talented, new and additional sales talent there. And we have a very talented sales organization in California. But we've talked about the restructurings that took place back in June when Mike Paulson took over from Pete Gorman. Mike has been with us for, I don't know, 20-plus years and just very, very talented, knows this business cold and we brought over on the press side, Loren Dalton who will continue to lead the web initiative along with So Young Park but will also have sole responsibility for our revenues in the California market. And then we have a new national sales leader and a new leader for our Northern California operation. So we are putting new talent on the street out there, and it'll pay off for us.
Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Michael Kupinski with Noble Financial.
Michael Kupinski
Analyst · Noble Financial.
Just one follow-up question on the department store retailer that you lost there, or a portion of the business. Can you just -- what's the percentage of revenues for the Direct Marketing? You said top 10, but what -- can you identify what the actual teller map may be accounted for?
Larry Franklin
Management
Yes, Mike, we don't, on individual clients, disclose...
Michael Kupinski
Analyst · Noble Financial.
I thought I'd try. Could you talk about -- certainly, with some of your larger retailers, they have a lot of add-on products and so forth, can you talk at least about the margins? Was it above or below the corporate Direct Marketing rate?
Larry Franklin
Management
It's just about any incremental customer. Dollar revenue we have is above our overall Direct Marketing profit rates. As clients within an industry change their marketing strategy, then there are other clients in that industry that will determine how they will respond to a change in the strategy of the...
Douglas Shepard
Management
The competitive environment.
Larry Franklin
Management
Competitive environment. So that can be a plus. And so it'll be interesting to watch it play out here over the next coming weeks and months. But as we have emphasized, long-time excellent customer, still a good sized customer and we have other really, really top-notch customers in that same category.
Michael Kupinski
Analyst · Noble Financial.
And in terms of...
Larry Franklin
Management
They're longer, actually.
Michael Kupinski
Analyst · Noble Financial.
And at least, your thoughts in terms of the guidance and looking for growth for the year, your thoughts are that these businesses should gone away and doesn't replace and in terms of your competitive landscape, you're not really factoring that in, in terms of the prospects of gaining from clients or additional work.
Larry Franklin
Management
Well, we'll continue to have the plans that we onboard this year and the ones that a lot of customers that are growing. But when this first occurs, then you got to ratchet down that -- over time will fill-in and continue to grow. It will -- if we had kept that business, then our growth rate obviously would have been higher. Our level of revenue would have been higher. And while it's disappointing, it's not -- we're aggressively working it.
Michael Kupinski
Analyst · Noble Financial.
Okay. And, Doug, can you just identify what were the international sales in Direct Marketing in the quarter and what would they do?
Douglas Shepard
Management
They were essentially flat. They were -- they're always in the 10% range of the total Direct Marketing revenues.
Larry Franklin
Management
We should have some growth there because of the new national database client that we have won and are onboarding, but I think it wasn't flat for the quarter, at least.
Michael Kupinski
Analyst · Noble Financial.
Okay. And you've given us some guidance in terms of the expenses and payroll expenses were lower than expected on my model and I assumed that, that came from Direct Marketing because of the added expenses that you have in Shoppers due to consolidation. I was just wondering, where are you seeing the expense savings in payroll and Direct Marketing?
Larry Franklin
Management
Are you comparing to last year?
Michael Kupinski
Analyst · Noble Financial.
Yes.
Larry Franklin
Management
We have, as you recall...
Michael Kupinski
Analyst · Noble Financial.
I know. You had the pharmaceutical thing.
Larry Franklin
Management
Last year, we had a very outstanding fourth quarter, and we've talked about the cost of the incentive comp. It was last year. So last year's numbers on the payroll side were higher than would typically be the case in the fourth quarter.
Michael Kupinski
Analyst · Noble Financial.
Okay. Okay, and then in the Shoppers, just going back to that, could you see some progression in the quarter or was this -- in terms of the pace of revenues, you're saying you saw some improvement, was that at the end of the quarter? Or was it a steady progression? Or was it...
Larry Franklin
Management
We saw improvement in the territory revenue per account. Actually in the quarter, the October -- November was the real soft quarter -- soft month for us. And if you look at December, coming out, it was actually a little better than or slightly -- just a little below last year in December. But November was the tough comparisons. Our performance was not good.
Michael Kupinski
Analyst · Noble Financial.
Okay. And I was interested in your talk a little bit about Trillium and some opportunities there. And it seems like you're kind of breaking into new fields with the software sales. And I noticed your Medicare claims that in the medical field, I may have missed this, but is this an expansion in the advanced categories for Trillium in terms of software sales because it seems to be they're breaking into new areas. I was just wondering if you could maybe size the opportunity that you see for the software sales.
Larry Franklin
Management
In the past, we have talked about some new solution, we're able to build around the core product Trillium for the banking and insurance industry, and what's driving this is the growth of big data through all industries, the enormous amounts of information that companies have to manage to do well in their business. And there are regulatory environments that also help us find opportunities to solve problems for customers. Now the industry, while the product has been additionally develop to help with customer data in the marketing space and we still have good growth there because the tool is so good at dealing with unstructured data, it creates new opportunities for us across industries who have big amount of data like those that we mentioned in the press release and those that we've mentioned in the new applications that we're building.
Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] And our next question will come from Dan Salmon with BMO Capital Markets.
Daniel Salmon
Analyst
I'll actually pick up on that less question and in the area of doing this sort of regulatory type work for the finance industry, are you bumping in more to, what I sort of think of as traditional IT services companies like [indiscernible] and see in a different competitive set there?
Larry Franklin
Management
Those companies are typically our partners in these kinds of engagements. As large banks, insurance companies have to deal with these data problems, where it's usually a master contractor, a consulting firm that brings in specialists. So we see them as channels for our products and solutions, and we have the unique ability to meet certain requirements of the engagements of these large consulting companies with their customers. So we have great relationships there.
Daniel Salmon
Analyst
Okay, that's great. And then on the investments, I guess, it's a broader question across the database products and Trillium more broadly. You mentioned also, Larry, I think in your prepared remarks about how a lot of these -- at least, the significant part was to prove your offering in Europe and just wondering if there's a timeline you have for seeing either margin or revenue improvement there because of these investments?
Larry Franklin
Management
Well, the investment in Europe is about taking 2 businesses that have a lot of synergy and bringing them together so that the services that they both currently provide can be leveraged more. And that's our information. Arts business that we bought in third quarter 2010 and our Market Intelligence business that we have there for some time. So that's what the European thing is about. The products and solutions that we are developing across the rest of the business are to take advantage of market growth. Pharma is one where we are investing to have a more robust and broader solution for our Pharma business and our agencies especially. In the Database business where we host and manage marketing databases for our customers, we're building improved Ci customer data integration products that deal again with this idea of unstructured data. If you think about what happens with data from social media, for example, the data doesn't come to you in fields as has been the traditional case, and so our tools and our services are not only well equipped but they are being developed more to respond to that opportunity with the customers, so that they have a better -- the point of the direct marketing database is for our customers have a better understanding of their customer base and then to use that information to market more precisely and with better success. We're also building solutions for other vertical markets like Pharma where there are growth opportunities for us.
Daniel Salmon
Analyst
That’s good. That’s helpful color. And then just one last question. On the [indiscernible] verticals, specifically in the prepared remarks, you mentioned demand curve is having a good pickup, but we're still seeing a bit of pressure there. When do you expect to see that release at any time here in 2012?
Larry Franklin
Management
Well, demand curve has actually taken off probably faster than we thought it would. It's doing very well. We have many engagements with large global technology companies. The #1 requirement, if you look at spending, plans and spending needs of high-tech market, is to find prospects and manage them from again the vast amounts of transactions where you have hundreds of thousands of millions of visitors to a website, how do you know which one is a great opportunity and how do you put your resources against that to win? And our Demand Curve helps our customers do that: Manage the data, understand the customers, give leads and then grow their business. The decline in the quarter with the tech business really is not in that sector. It's more in the consumer product sector with a couple of customers that were down year-over-year. But -- and maybe a trillion lessons here. The larger trends in the tech space are very -- looked very good for us.
Operator
Operator
And we'll now take a follow-up from Edward Atorino.
Edward Atorino
Analyst
I have 2 comments. When a corporate expense sort of held up and with the cost reductions, is that going to come down a little bit year-over-year in 2012? Running about 2 8, 2 7 a quarter.
Larry Franklin
Management
No, it won't come down. It's driven primarily by pension expense and noncash comp. So it will be about the same.
Edward Atorino
Analyst
Got you. And with the $6-million payment to bank, debt interest expense would be down year-over-year, right?
Douglas Shepard
Management
60, about -- yes, it will be down. But you got to remember, today's world at LIBOR at about, what, 25, 50 basis points plus 100, I mean, interest expense is so cheap. But yes, it'll be down because we'll have a $60-million reduction in debt, first week of March.
Edward Atorino
Analyst
It was 60 or 6?
Douglas Shepard
Management
6-0.
Larry Franklin
Management
We have the increased rate from...
Douglas Shepard
Management
Yes, from the old debt.
Larry Franklin
Management
Right. The old debt with the new debt.
Douglas Shepard
Management
But it'll [indiscernible] obviously, we'll give a third of the debt, yes.
Edward Atorino
Analyst
So something like $1 million to $3 million, $2 million, $3 million?
Douglas Shepard
Management
Yes, just a little bit higher.
Operator
Operator
And it appears there are no further questions.
Larry Franklin
Management
Okay, thank you very much, and we appreciate your interest. And to all of the Harte-Hanks people, let's make 2012 a great year.
Operator
Operator
And that does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation.