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Harte Hanks, Inc. (HHS)

Q4 2009 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 2, 2010

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Operator

Operator

Welcome and thank you for joining the fourth quarter year end 2009 earnings call. At this time all participants are in listen only mode. (Operator’s instructions). Today’s conference is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. Now I will turn the meeting over to Mr. Larry Franklin, President and CEO of Harte-Hanks.

Larry D. Franklin

Management

Thank you and good morning. On the call with me today is Doug Shepard, our Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Jessica Huff, Vice President of Finance and Controller. And before I begin my remarks Doug will make a few statements.

Douglas C. Shepard

Management

Thanks, Larry. Our call may include forward looking statements. Examples may include statements about our strategies, initiatives, and business plans, adjustments to our cost structure, financial outlook and capital resources, competitive factors, business and industry expectations, legal settlements, the economic downturn in the US and other economies and other statements that are not historical facts. Actual results may differ materially from those projected or implied in these statements because of various risks and uncertainties, including those described in our most recent Form 10Qs and 10Ks, other documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission and in cautionary statement in today’s earnings release. Our call may also include non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to today’s earnings release for the required reconciliations and other related disclosures. Earnings release is available on the investors relations site of our website at www.harte-hanks.com. I’ll now turn the call back over to Larry.

Larry D. Franklin

Management

Okay. Thank you, Doug. We said in this call last quarter that there’s beginning to be signs that the global economy is improving slightly. And while we continue to have revenue declines in the fourth quarter in both businesses we did see some improving trends during the quarter and we’ll provide more detail of those as we go through our comments and then your questions. Our people throughout the organization continue to do an excellent job in navigating through this difficult environment. I am very pleased with our fourth quarter performance, and for that matter, the year. Included in the overall Harte-Hanks and Shoppers results is the $6.95 million legal settlement in principle announced January 28, 2010. And as described in the AK filed that same date. The lawsuit was filed in early 2001 by one current and one former Shoppers sales representative. In the agreement and principle to settle this law suit are the agreement and principle to settle law suit is subject to the entry of an order of the trial court granting preliminary and then following notice to the class members found improvement of the settlement and providing for the dismissible of a law suit, with prejudices against all class members. Pursuant to the agreement in principle, each member of the class will release all claims against Shoppers, that in anyway arose from or related to the matters which were the subject of the claims alleged in the class action suit. The judge overseeing the settlement in principle will be involved with the final settlement agreement. So we do not anticipant any material changes. Because the law suit remains pending, our ability to comment beyond statements made in the AK filing is limited. Now, with all that said, without the settlement charges, earnings per share for the…

Douglas C. Shepard

Management

Thank you, Larry. Here is the company wide overview of the fourth quarter and full year 2009. Revenue decreased 19.3% for the quarter and 20.6% for the year. Direct Marketing decreased 19% for the quarter, 20% for the year. Shoppers decreased 20.2% for the quarter and 21.7% for the year. Operating income decreased 22.3% for the quarter and 29.7% for the year. For the quarter, Direct Marketing declined 5.1% while Shoppers declined 4.4 million. For the year, Direct Marketing decreased 7.1% and Shoppers decreased 105.2%. Excluding the 6.95 million legal settlement and principle announced last Friday Harte-Hanks operating income would have increased 4.9% for the quarter and declined 23.8% for the year. Excluding the same legal settlement, Shoppers operating income would have $1.6 million for the quarter. For the quarter our free cash flow as $19.1 million versus $20.8 million in 2008. For the year, free cash flow is $71.3 million as compared to $82.8 million in 2008. We ended the year with $9 million in capital spending, $11 million less than the $20 million we spent in 2008. For 2009, we expect our capital spending to be approximately $15 million. Now turning to our two businesses, for the quarter, Direct Marketing revenue decreased 19% and operating income decreased 5.1%, resulting in an operating income margin increased to 18.3%, compared to 15.6% in fourth quarter of 2008. A charge of $2.8 million was taken in the fourth quarter last year. Removing this charge would have resulted in an operating income margin of 17.1% for the 2008 fourth quarter compared to the 18.3% for the fourth quarter of 2009. For the year, operating income margins finished at 16.4%, an increase from the 2008 margins of 14.1%. Our Direct Marketing leader had a strong year, limiting the operating income decrease to $7.3…

Operator

Operator

And thank you. At this time we will begin the question and answer session. (Operator’s instructions). Please stand by for the first question. Alexia Quadrani from JP Morgan, your line’s open. Alexia Quadrani – JP Morgan: Thank you. A couple of questions. I guess first off, can you talk about what you’ve seen so far, I guess, in 2010, in January, if anything in the Shoppers and the Direct business, if you’ve seen any signs of further improvement from what you were seeing, sequentially in the fourth quarter?

Larry D. Franklin

Management

The improvement that we saw coming out of the first quarter has continued in quarter one, keeping in mind that it’s been four weeks. But, yes. Alexia Quadrani – JP Morgan: Is it more pronounced in the Direct side or the Shoppers side or pretty much just sort of reflected what you say in Q4?

Larry D. Franklin

Management

Oh, probably, about the same. Alexia Quadrani – JP Morgan: Okay. And then in the Shoppers business, can you give us a bit more color, I guess, on the improving trends there, especially the lessening of the declines, is it because the advertisers you are currently working with are maybe spending a little bit more or are you actually seeing some of the advertisers that have stopped spending through this downturn begin to come back?

Larry D. Franklin

Management

That’s a really good question. And I mentioned unemployment in California and Florida. But in talking with our leaders in those markets, along with unemployment, housing is another important metric for us. And we’re starting to see some emerging (inaudible) put in front of this, stability. And the customers seem to have adjusted to the market reality of unemployment and housing and have remained a little more consistent with their advertising buys then they have been in the prior quarter. And that’s evidenced by the fourth quarter results. Also, we continue to see – if you look at the revenue improvement, overall, our, what we call larger, we call them major accounts business, that’s performing a little better than the territory business. But we’re also - back to the question of the business in the market, we, as I mentioned last time, are seeing some stability in the number of accounts. Those are the individual businesses that run with us each week. And then there’s a slight improvement also in the rate of decline of the ads. Meaning, one customer buy, and they buy, four, five, six ads in the book. And then in the revenue per ad, we’re seeing a little bit of improvement there as well. So, we’re still seeing declines, but the trends at the moment are looking rather favorable. Alexia Quadrani – JP Morgan: And are you happy with your current circulation then where it stands or do you feel you need to cut more or maybe even potentially ad (inaudible) or right now it seems, I guess, you’re okay with where it is?

Larry D. Franklin

Management

We’ll stay – our plan at this moment is to stay where we are. Alexia Quadrani – JP Morgan: And just one quick question on the Direct side. The Select category, was the better performance there driven by auto or was it something else?

Larry D. Franklin

Management

Well, it varied among – oh you said in Select? Alexia Quadrani – JP Morgan: Yeah. Within Select.

Larry D. Franklin

Management

No. Actually, business services and travel and leisure were the areas that performed well. We continue to have good performance in automotive. But there were some budgets spent earlier in the year in 2009 then when they were in 2008. So, it did not drive the select market. But it’s still a good vertical for us. Alexia Quadrani – JP Morgan: All right. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Michael Kupinski with Noble Financial. Michael Kupinski – Noble Financial: Thanks for taking the question. I have a couple of quick questions. Was there any significant changes in the distribution from the third quarter to the fourth quarter in the Shoppers business?

Larry D. Franklin

Management

You mean in the circulation? Michael Kupinski – Noble Financial: In the circulation, right.

Larry D. Franklin

Management

No. And in fact, after January of 2010 we will have comp cir for the rest of the year. Michael Kupinski – Noble Financial: Okay. And in terms of the SG&A expense in the fourth quarter it seemed a little high. I was wondering is there any special items in that fourth quarter? And if you could just tell me if that’s a good run rate going into the first quarter for the balance of the year?

Larry D. Franklin

Management

I think that was the settlement. That’s where the settlement’s recorded. Michael Kupinski – Noble Financial: But (inaudible) settlement, thought, it was just though a little tad higher than I was looking for. I mean, just what about the run rate going or 2010.

Larry D. Franklin

Management

On the run rate, that debt expense was up just a little bit in the quarter. Although, for the year, I think, it was actually down. It was down because there’s a couple of bankrupts this year. And then I think Workers’ Comp may have been up a little bit. So, I don’t know about the run rate going into the year, do you?

Douglas C. Shepard

Management

No. I don’t think I would expect any changes on the run rate, Mike. Michael Kupinski – Noble Financial: Okay. And then in terms of one of your largest verticals retail, a number of publishers have indicated that the retail advertising is starting to come back a little bit. Do you have any (inaudible) in the retail going into the first quarter.

Larry D. Franklin

Management

Well, into the fourth quarter as well, our retail clients, generally, I think achieved their revenue goals for the holiday. And you saw the articles in the Wall Street Journal about what the increase is supposed to be. Or would be 3.6% up, I think, was the number. The programs that we executed for our clients were smaller than in 2008. And we think some of that was because they committed to the larger programs. In 2008 before the, realized the full impact of the recession. And going into the – the tone is better, absolu8tely. We’ve had some wins. And then again, we’re also working – and this is where I think we have a real opportunity and a strength of ours, is to work with our existing clients to not only continue to provide and execute the traditional channels but to add additional channels to that. And we are having some success in the retail side, especially in the digital part of the space. So I think it's an opportunity for us to deliver increased value and strengthen those relationships. I don’t think there’s any traumatic shift in volumes in Q1. I would call it stabilizing. And certainly not going back to anywhere close to the levels in 2007 that we can see at this point. Michael Kupinski – Noble Financial: Okay. Perfect. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

And thank you. Our next question is from Dan Leben with Robert W. Baird. Dan Leben – Robert W. Baird: Great, thanks. Within the Direct Marketing business, if you try to normalize a little bit for historically a fourth quarter that’s seemly very strong, and then comparisons that continue to get easier as things deteriorated back in 2008. Which verticals do you look at and say, here’s where we’re really seeing improvement versus, kind of, a steady levels against easing com (ph).

Larry D. Franklin

Management

Again, good question. And there are some in our high tech business, which we are very excited about what we’re doing there, we have had some reduced volumes both in last year, but also in the first part of this year. And some of the programs that we’re working. Now, we believe that those are shifts from the – that’ll come back as we go through the year. We’ve also in the B-to-B part of that business of high tech we’re having some good successes. In fact, in B-to-B on line, there’s an article about what we’re doing with Rockwell, especially in the use of social. And then we’ve won a couple of other B-to-B deals that we think will add some (inaudible) that will add some increased activity and opportunity for growth in the high tech sector. Pharma continues to be a really good vertical for us. And then I mentioned in select, business services and leisure. Financial, which has been a very difficult vertical for us for a number of quarters, actually showed some improvement in the fourth quarter. And that was primarily in the retail bank, mutual funds and little bit in diversified finance. So, Dan, it varies across the verticals. And some of it is program based and some of it is trends. Dan Leben – Robert W. Baird: Okay. Now, when you look at all of the new areas of marketing within digital, what kind of percentage of revenues is that up to now? And where do you think, longer term, that piece of the business can get given the set up of the business model?

Larry D. Franklin

Management

Well, we are not disclosing and won’t for awhile what percent of the business that is. Now, I don’t have to tell you, I know, that those are smaller dollar activities. But we think they add disproportionate value to us when they’re combined with the traditional space. And of our new, more than a half of dozen, new digital deals in the fourth quarter, I think four of those were additional services for our existing clients. But, we’ve got some really exciting things going on in that space that we’ll be talking about more as we move forward. Dan Leben – Robert W. Baird: Okay. And then within your larger customers, what have you heard, just kind of anecdotally, from those guys in terms of their approach to marketing spending in 2010 relative to 2008? It is, kind of, we cut too far, we’re resuming a new level, we’re still waiting to see how things play out? What are those guys saying?

Larry D. Franklin

Management

I haven’t heard anyone say they cut too far. And I think the preponderance of it is that we’re probably spend at or more than we did in ’09. And yet, in some it still, kind of, waiting to see how things roll out for them. They’re managing very closely. Dan Leben – Robert W. Baird: And then last question on the Direct Marketing side. And have you heard anything from Toyota with the large recall going on? Any attempt from those guys to really ramp up marketing spending to try and win back and preserve current customers?

Larry D. Franklin

Management

You mean about my Toyota Tundra pickup that I own? Dan Leben – Robert W. Baird: That would be one of them, I think.

Larry D. Franklin

Management

No. I don’t know of anything that we’ve heard about ramping up to them. I think there maybe some other auto manufacturer ramping up against them, maybe. Dan Leben – Robert W. Baird: Okay. And then just to shift into the Shoppers business, it looks like we’re seeing a bottom here, a little bit of a bounce off of it in the fourth quarter. Any performance differences between California and Florida?

Larry D. Franklin

Management

California has stabilized, I would say, a little more, than has Florida. And just our reach and scope in California is obviously more. Though I would say California’s probably performing slightly better than Florida is. Dan Leben – Robert W. Baird: Okay, great. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Ed Atorino with Benchmark. Your line is open.

Ed Atorino - Benchmark Company

Management

Yeah. I’ve got a couple of questions. One, interest expense really was down rather dramatically, 3Q for 3Q. Looks like the decline was more than just a debt decline. Could you explain that a little bit? Maybe I’m wrong and it’s all the debt decline. And if you’d go over the tax rate settlements and stuff that resulted in a lower tax rate? And did you say 37%-38% - yes you did say that. I got that down. Okay. I got one more after you answer those. Thanks.

Douglas C. Shepard

Management

Okay. The interest rate, is a function of, we had a interest swap agreement that expired at September 30 on $150 million at 4.6%-4.7%. So it explains almost the complete variance. On the tax side, we had a liability for a state tax position that we’ve taken where the statute of limitations had expired. So that reversed due to the timing in the fourth quarter.

Ed Atorino - Benchmark Company

Management

Gotcha. Looking forward on interest expense of 2010, I mean, if it’s going to stay like 1.25 million or is it sort of go back to normal or more swaps –

Douglas C. Shepard

Management

Well, you can see in our filings that we pay basically liable (inaudible) plus around 70 basis points.

Ed Atorino - Benchmark Company

Management

Okay. And lastly, is pricing any issue in either Direct Marketing or in the Shoppers business? Are you forced to lower prices or is it really a volume problem not pricing?

Larry D. Franklin

Management

Pricing is competitive everywhere.

Ed Atorino - Benchmark Company

Management

Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

I thank you. (Operator’s instructions). And our next question comes from Dan Salmon with BMO Capital Market.

Dan Salmon - BMO Capital Market

Management

Thanks guys. I got both of my questions so I’m fine. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Franklin for any closing remarks.

Larry D. Franklin

Management

Well, thank you all for your interest in our company. And as I do every quarter, the people that make all this happen are those folks in our company that are the best in the industry. And so we appreciate all that they do to allow us to perform at the level that we do. And we look forward to talking to you at the end of the first quarter. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you.