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Hudson Technologies, Inc. (HDSN)

Q2 2024 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 6, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to the Hudson Technologies’ Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only-mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Jen Belodeau. You may begin.

Jennifer Belodeau

Analyst

Thank you. Good evening, and welcome to our conference call to discuss Hudson Technologies’ financial results for second quarter 2024. On the call today are Brian Coleman, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Brian Bertaux, Hudson’s new Chief Financial Officer. I’ll now take a moment to read the Safe Harbor statement. During the course of this conference call, we'll make certain forward-looking statements, all statements that address expectations, opinions or predictions about the future are forward-looking statements. Although they reflect our current expectations and are based on our best view of the industry and our businesses, as we see them today, they are not guarantees of future performance. Please understand that these statements involve a number of risks and assumptions. And since those elements can change, and in certain cases are not within our control, we would ask that you consider and interpret them in that light. We urge you to review Hudson's most recent Form 10-K and other subsequent SEC filings for a discussion of the principal risks and uncertainties that affect our business and our performance and other factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially. With that out of the way, I’ll turn the call over to Brian Coleman. Go ahead, Brian.

Brian Coleman

Analyst

Good evening, and thank you for joining us. So far, 2024 has a number of long-term positive events such as the significant cash flow generation, the anticipated share buyback, the acquisition of USA Refrigerants and the expected final Refrigerant Management Rule, creating the first ever federal mandates for the use of reclaimed refrigerant. Unfortunately, on a short-term basis, we’ve seen downward pricing pressure this sales season. As we move through the 2024 selling season, the landscape has been challenging. In the second quarter, demand for refrigerants were very strong with a 17% increase in volume over last year. However, we continue to experience pricing pressure for certain refrigerants, which negatively impacted our revenue and margin performance and outweighing the volume gains. During the second quarter, our industry saw an approximate 25% decline in the price of certain refrigerants as compared to the second quarter of 2023 and HFC pricing has decreased by about approximately 6% from the level we discussed when we last spoke on May 1, with pricing levels at about $7.50 per pound today. Given the challenging pricing environment, our margin performance was below our long-term target. However, we delivered solid profitability. With our visibility today, if current pricing levels continue through the remainder of 2024 selling season, we would anticipate full-year revenue in the range of approximately $240 million to $250 million with full-year gross margins of approximately 30%. As we outlined last quarter, we anticipated that pricing levels might not rebound as the season progressed. And, we noted that last year’s strong DLA program specific order activity of approximately $20 million would likely not be repeated creating a difficult comparison for this year. While the current pricing situation is disappointing, we’ve been in the industry a very long time and we believe this pricing dynamic is…

Brian J. Bertaux

Analyst

Thank you, Brian and good evening everybody. I’m on day seven as CFO at Hudson Technologies and I’m impressed with what I’ve seen and learned thus far. I am thrilled to have the opportunity to join this accomplished leadership team and contribute to the Company’s long-term success. As Brian mentioned, I previously spent 20 years at Trex Company, the world’s leading manufacturer of wood alternative decking and railing. During my tenure at Trex, revenue grew 9 fold from $100 million to $900 million and market cap reached $10 billion. I served in a number of senior management roles culminating as Interim President of Trex Commercial Products, a commercial railing product subsidiary purchased by Trex. While at Trex, I was instrumental in the Company’s capital allocation strategy and tactics which included M&A as well as opportunistic share buybacks. I’m excited to bring my broad financial and strategic leadership experience to Hudson and look forward to collaborating with the leadership team in driving operational excellence and strategic growth. This is a very exciting time to be joining this dynamic Company and industry. I look forward to the opportunity to introduce myself and get to know many of you over the coming days. Now, I’ll turn to our financial review. For the second quarter ended June 30, 2024, Hudson recorded revenues of $75.3 million a 17% decrease compared to revenues of $90.5 million in the comparable 2023 period. The decrease was primarily related to decreased selling prices for certain refrigerants and lower revenue from the Company’s DLA contract. These decreases were partially offset by volume increases in refrigerant sales of 17% when compared to the same period of 2023. Gross margin was 30% for the second quarter of 2024 as compared to 41% in the second quarter of 2023 as a result of…

Brian Coleman

Analyst

Thank you, Brian. Before we go to Q&A, I’d like to reiterate that we believe the current pricing dynamic is temporary and does not impact our long-term view for the growth of our Company. We remain confident that the phased out of HFCs will ultimately move pricing higher, accelerate reclamation activity and drive enhanced profitability in our business. We believe Hudson’s leadership position in the industry, proprietary reclamation technology and longstanding customer relationships leave us well-positioned to drive the necessary transition to reclaim refrigerant as virgin supply tightens and the industry adopts new equipment and technologies. Operator, we’ll now open the call to questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we’ll be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Ryan Sigdahl with Craig-Hallum. Please proceed.

Ryan Sigdahl

Analyst

Hey, good afternoon, Brian and Brian. Want to start with volume up 17% in the quarter. Can you break that down? I guess, what really drove that volume increase and was there any shift between quarters and kind of throughout the summer selling season?

Brian Coleman

Analyst

So, Q1, the volume was somewhat flat, when we entered this selling season, but really we had strong interest in Q2. Now, the 17% as we talked many times before may not be the blended growth relative to the entire nine-month sales season, but we do expect based on the activities we’ve seen in Q2 and certainly see today that we do think we’re going to see growth over last year throughout the balance of the nine-month season in ‘24 compared to ‘23.

Ryan Sigdahl

Analyst

Good. Then U.S. Department of Commerce, has been doing an investigation for the past year. They came out with findings and a termination in July. Basically, they’re going to enforce duties on HFC blends coming in from China that are further processed in the U.S. Curious your thoughts on that and the potential impact to the HFC market, whether it be pricing and or just general industry dynamics over the next couple of years?

Brian Coleman

Analyst

So, we certainly do not like bad actors and bad behavior, and we feel certain companies that are selling refrigerant in the United States do have that propensity. With that said, we would have supported the petitioners in this ITC case ruling with regards to the circumvention findings that the ITC finally reached. Bottom line is, it appears that certain entities would have attempted to bring product in from other countries claiming that the source of the refrigerant were from those companies when it appears in fact the source was from China. As a consequence, there is a clawback if you will of duties that may impose some significant financial burdens on those that may have circumvented the rules. We don’t know what that impact will be. We certainly don’t know when those prior tariffs payments are due, but it could have a significant impact, particularly if someone brought gas in unfairly at a cost disadvantage to those that behave and follow the rules and regulations. So, it will be interesting to see what may happen over the next couple of months, but I think over the next couple of months we’ll have an answer.

Ryan Sigdahl

Analyst

Last quick one for me. Within the revised new guidance, how much of revenue is from USA Refrigerants acquisition?

Brian Coleman

Analyst

I’m sorry, say that again, in terms of the balance of the year?

Ryan Sigdahl

Analyst

Correct.

Brian Coleman

Analyst

Right now in the numbers that we disclosed, we would not have put much revenue in those ranges, partly to do with the focus right now for Hudson and the USA team is buying. And, we’re getting into that buying season relative to year-end. Now, we’re starting to see contractors accumulate gas. And, I think we’ve said this before that typically the returns of recovered gas tend to go about three months beyond the sales season. So, what will happen is to the extent that most of their activity are dedicated to buying refrigerant that will go into inventory for sales next year. But certainly, we do have upside to the extent that we do garner more sales over the next, particularly three months, this remainder of the selling season relative to the guidance we provided.

Ryan Sigdahl

Analyst

Helpful. Maybe one clarification on that. As we think about next year, is this just an improved mix of inventory that you’ll be selling with, call it, double the gross margin since reclaimed gas or do you think this will be incremental volume layered on to kind of current Hudson business?

Brian Coleman

Analyst

We think it’s going to be both. We sort of lost, if you will, the first two quarters of the nine months or three quarter sales season based on the closing date and then the integration. So, we definitely feel confident that we’re going to get incremental revenue as well as the benefit from higher margins from selling recovered and reclaimed gas.

Ryan Sigdahl

Analyst

Great. Thanks guys. Good luck.

Brian Coleman

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Gerry Sweeney with ROTH Capital. Please proceed.

Gerry Sweeney

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please proceed.

Hey, Brian and Brian, how are you guys doing?

Brian Coleman

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please proceed.

Doing well, thank you.

Brian J. Bertaux

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please proceed.

Doing well, thanks.

Gerry Sweeney

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please proceed.

Just one quick question on pricing and then I’m going to go in a different direction. But, curious if pricing has changed since some of the circumvention rules or determinations have occurred?

Brian Coleman

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please proceed.

Again, the pricing dynamic that we described this evening is where we are today. I don’t believe we’ve seen any material pricing changes in any way directed towards the case. We do believe certain individuals that may have imported the gas and not paid those tariffs will be subject to a fairly significant clawback and we’ll have that cash implication. So, how they run their business and how they generate the cash and all that stuff, we’re yet to see.

Gerry Sweeney

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please proceed.

Got you. Okay, that’s fair. Next question, acquisition team that you sort of highlighted with that you developed the USA Refrigerants acquisition. Can you give a little bit more detail on sort of how and the opportunity and how what they’re going to do, how they do it, how they are going to drive increased reclaim activity?

Brian Coleman

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please proceed.

So, think of the USA team and the team has been around for 20-plus years, really good dedicated folks. Think of it that they had limited access to virgin supplies. So, for them to be able to meet their customer needs, they had to be nearly 100% self-reliant on the ability to find and purchase and then process recovered refrigerants. So, they’re very good at hunting, very good at relationships, relationships relative to payment and timely payment. They have a very strong reputation in the contracted community and we’re expecting to bring that expertise to Hudson. And then most importantly, apply that expertise to Hudson’s customer base, where we feel that we haven’t done a sufficient job integrating the buying, with the selling and we think their team is really going to help us grow that opportunity as well.

Gerry Sweeney

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please proceed.

Got it. And then, third and final question, obviously I am a fan of buyback especially with the stock at current levels, but at some point, you have a buyback, but you also have an opportunity to buy used gas potentially at a pretty cheap price. What’s the dynamic on that or what’s the thought process on that?

Brian J. Bertaux

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please proceed.

So, when we look at our free cash flow, we will certainly look first to support the business and the working capital needs and then we seem to be generating more cash than needed for that. So, we are looking at acquisitions and also opportunistic share repurchases. It will be those three pillars. But first and foremost is for the business. But fortunately for us, our free cash flow generation is more than what’s needed for our business with our strategic growth.

Gerry Sweeney

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please proceed.

I mean, at some point, would you want to acquire more used gas as opposed to build up working capital or inventory on the used gas side, especially at some point, I’m a fan I’m a believer that the market is going to change, pricing is going to change and there’s an opportunity here.

Brian Coleman

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please proceed.

Brian expressed it well in that, first and foremost, we want to make sure we have sufficient cash to meet our needs and it’s mainly working capital needs for inventory. So, we are certainly not going to somehow limit our activities there or redirect cash if to the extent we make business decisions that we need more relative to inventory and inventory dollars, and particularly as it relates to dollars spent on buying used gas. With that said, I think we’ve talked about this a couple of times. We don’t believe that our dollars in ending inventory at December 31, 2024 will need to be higher than the dollars at December 31, 2023. And so far we’re managing the business and that is the outcome thus far. Obviously, if things change, we’ll take a look at that. But we don’t think the current allocation of capital and the $10 million amount is going to impact anything to do with our ability to buy refrigerants.

Gerry Sweeney

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please proceed.

That’s fair. I got you. Okay. I appreciate that. I’ll hop back in queue.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Josh Nichols with B. Riley. Please proceed.

Josh Nichols

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

Yes, thanks for taking my questions. A couple of the things I had already asked, but I’m just kind of curious where prices shake out whenever you look at like the Company’s inventory levels today. Obviously, you have a couple types of refrigerants in there. But generally, for HFC, like what ballpark is the average price that you guys have for the inventory level? I’m just trying to think of the upside opportunity in the next selling season if prices start to kind of normalize and what that could mean for margins relative to that 30% level you talked about for this year based on 7.50 a pound?

Brian Coleman

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

So Josh, we’ll not provide that granularity as we talked many times, we’re the only public Company in the refrigerant space. But when you go back to the earnings call for Q1, what we talked about is we believe that as we’re selling product in the 2024 season, we are pulling from higher FIFO layers on a cost basis than we anticipate next year. So, we do not believe the price of refrigerants are going to remain the same in ‘25 as they are in ‘24, But if they did just on a cost basis and FIFO inventory basis, we should have higher margins as a result of a lower cost basis entering the 25 year.

Josh Nichols

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

Fair enough. I appreciate the context there. And then I’m looking here, I’m kind of curious, I don’t think you mentioned it specifically on the call, but looking at the DLA contract, what was the DLA contract revenue in 2Q of this year relative to last year just for context for the year-over-year decline?

Brian Coleman

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

It wasn’t quite $5 million lower, it was actually about $4.2 million. I think lower. So, we’ve made up a little bit of ground relative to that $20 million but right now assume we are at a run rate as we talked about in that low $30 million range based on our anticipation. But as we said before, because there isn’t a backlog and a long lead time, it’s still possible there could be some procurement of products similar to what they did last year.

Josh Nichols

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

Appreciate it. Last question for me, digging into the weeds a little bit. You did say there was some one-time expenses, was that like $700,000 related to USA Refrigerants and something else? So presumably, if that’s in SG&A, then SG&A is going to dip back down to close to around like the $8 million level in 3Q because I know it wasn’t backed out of any of the Company’s pro form earnings because just report GAAP.

Brian J. Bertaux

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

Yes, we would expect that. So SG&A excluding the USA Refrigerant acquisition plus some investments in IT to support the growth of the organization. Aside from those two, SG&A is very comparable to last year and we would expect that to continue.

Josh Nichols

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

Appreciate the context. Thank you.

Brian J. Bertaux

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed.

Thank you, Josh.

Operator

Operator

Okay. The next question comes from Austin Moeller from Canaccord. Please proceed.

Austin Moeller

Analyst

Hi. Good afternoon, Brian and Brian. Just my first question here. Has the DOA signaled anything about their forward purchasing activity in Q3 and Q4? I know you have some optimism that they could ramp that up in the second half.

Brian Coleman

Analyst

It doesn’t quite work that way. We could get orders in and fulfil it in a matter of days. There isn’t much of a dialogue. There’s so many different places within the DoD that could procure under this contract, that you wouldn’t necessarily know who’s considering what buys when. That’s why it’s very difficult to predict. But to be clear, as it relates to the buying that occurred last year, they are active NSN numbers and therefore it doesn’t mean that they can’t buy, it’s just that based on the volume and activity we saw last year, we saw it ending in Q4 of last year and not reoccur. It doesn’t mean it can’t, we just don’t want to guarantee or state that it will. But if those orders come, we will be able to fulfil them and we’ll be able to fulfil them on a timely basis.

Austin Moeller

Analyst

Great. And just a follow-up, what are you hearing in the market from your customers and other suppliers in terms of the burn down of the existing HFC stockpile that was created? Do you anticipate that it will be fully expended by the next cooling season?

Brian Coleman

Analyst

We will get much more visibility about the answer to that question when EPA reports the 2023 inventory data. We want to see what the relative relationship is of the movement of the inventory data between December 31, 2022 and 2023. We believe that this year’s cooling season has been quite strong as indicated certainly by our volume increases. And we would believe to the extent that there was a decline between ‘22 and ‘23 that there would be a greater decline between ‘23 and ‘24. So, we’re really wanting to wait for that data point, and that kind of goes back to the three things that are going to occur shortly that will make us comfortable to talk about the future. How do we end the season on pricing? What is the EPA’s final refrigerant management rule look like? And what does the 2023 inventory data look like? All three of those pieces of the puzzle should be available to us to be able to discuss in the Q3 earnings call.

Austin Moeller

Analyst

Excellent. That’s very helpful in framing it. Thanks.

Brian Coleman

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session and I will now turn the call over to management for closing remarks.

Brian Coleman

Analyst

Thank you, operator. I’d like to thank our employees for their continued support and dedication to our business and both our long time shareholders and those that have recently joined us for their support. We look forward to speaking with you after the third quarter results. Have a good night everybody. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s conference and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.