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Great Southern Bancorp, Inc. (GSBC)

Q1 2023 Earnings Call· Thu, Apr 20, 2023

$68.48

+0.84%

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Great Southern Bancorp, Inc. First Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker, Kelly Polonus from Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Kelly Polonus

Analyst

Thank you, Carmen. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us for our first quarter 2023 earnings call. This is Kelly Polonus, Investor Relations for Great Southern. The purpose of this call is to discuss the company's results for the quarter ending March 31, 2023. Before we begin, I need to remind you that during the course of this call, we may make forward-looking statements about future events and future financial performance. These statements are subject to a number of factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from the results anticipated or projected. For a list of some of these factors, please see the forward-looking statements disclosure in our first quarter earnings release or other public filings. President and CEO, Joe Turner and Chief Financial Officer, Rex Copeland are on the call with me. I'll now turn the meeting over to Joe.

Joe Turner

Analyst

All right, thanks Kelly. We appreciate everybody joining us today for our first quarter earnings call. Hopefully, you've had a chance to review our earnings release, and if you did, you saw that we had a very solid quarter through a pretty tumultuous time in the banking industry, especially during the last month of the quarter. The bank failures that occurred on the East and West Coast created lots of turmoil and understandably focused attention on certain operational situations at the banks that failed and others as well. During the intense media focus on these failures, we -- our operating conditions here were -- at Great Southern were very stable, and we believe that's true of most of the other banks in our market areas as well. The strength of our company's deposit base was underscored in terms of diversification by customer type and geography, and the low level of uninsured deposits we have, which is currently about 14% of total deposits. From February 28, 2023 to March 31, 2023, our total deposits increased by nearly $75 million, primarily in retail time deposits and interest bearing checking accounts. Rex will provide more detail on deposits as well as liquidity during his presentation. During the first quarter, we remained focused on taking care of our customers and work diligently to fight the many headwinds of the current economic climate. I'm proud of the Great Southern team and appreciate their efforts, which resulted in our first quarter. It resulted in asserting $20.5 million during the first quarter, a $1.67 per common share compared to $17 million or a $1.30 in the year ago quarter. We did have one significant item -- expense item in the quarter. The expense is related to our conversion to the Fiserv system. Our earnings performance ratios in…

Rex Copeland

Analyst

All right, Thank you, Joe. I'm going to start off with net interest income and really just echo a couple of things, Joe already mentioned some of the highlights of that, that compared to the year ago quarter, our net interest income was up about $9.9 million down just a little bit from the fourth quarter. As Joe mentioned, two less calendar days were a big part of that from the fourth quarter last year versus first quarter this year. Net interest margin was 3.99% in the first quarter compared to 3.43% in the first quarter in 2022. Net interest margin was 3.99%, also in the fourth quarter of 2022. Comparing those to first quarter of '23 versus first quarter of '22 periods, average yield on loans increased about 153 basis points, while the average rate on interest bearing deposits increase about 135 basis points. The margin expansion from a year ago really kind of related a lot to asset mix with average loans increasing and investments, average investment security is increasing as well. As we stated before and as you have seen a generally rising interest rate environment, particularly short term rates like fed funds and prime are beneficial to us from an increasing interest income standpoint. We would anticipate we would still get, if a Fed continues raising rates here shortly, we'll get some benefit from that. However we expect a lot of those positive impacts will be significantly offset by increases in funding costs, which have started ramping up, obviously this year, particularly beginning in March and, continuing down into April. So we expect further ramping up of deposit and funding costs as we go through the first half of 2023, and then potentially beyond, depending on kind of where market rates start to trend at that…

Operator

Operator

And this comes from the line of Andrew Liesch with Piper Sandler. Please proceed.

Andrew Liesch

Analyst

Hey, good afternoon. I just want to talk about here on the loan pipeline, obviously came in a little bit, but it still seems like you have a good backlog of unfunded construction commitments. Any sense on the pace of how they fund up? And I guess on the other hand, do you see any loans that are maturing coming forward that are going forward that might weigh on the growth?

Joe Turner

Analyst

Well, as far as the funding, Andrew, I think we fund about $80 million a month roughly on our construction loans. Sometimes it could be a little higher, sometimes it could be a little lower, but that's probably roughly the number. As far as payoffs, we are seeing some payoffs. We had a larger payoff just yesterday or the day before. So, that's going to happen too. It's not like it was in 2021 though, but we got pretty high quality portfolio and people are still able to do some things with it.

Andrew Liesch

Analyst

So take some of these examples like were they refining elsewhere at terms that just don't make sense for others, or…

Joe Turner

Analyst

Yeah, I think the one that paid off yesterday was refining longer term fixed rate. I think non-recourse, just terms that didn't make sense to us.

Andrew Liesch

Analyst

Got it. Maybe not, I'm just trying to gauge how much economic sensitivity of these folks may have, or if it's really just taking longer term funding or if they're concerned with the economy. I guess, what's the tone been from your borrowers?

Joe Turner

Analyst

I think pretty positive. Our borrowers are pretty positive operationally on their project. We went through about every quarter we go through all our loans, $1 million and over and we went through day before yesterday, our loans particularly in the Southeast and the Atlanta region for us, and a lot of multi-family, we talked about a lot of multi-family projects down there and things are going very well for them. Rents are coming in above their projections and they're a lot of those don't get re-fied. They get sold and so they're filling up and kind of ready to test the market. It's just it -- they have, I guess, high hopes for what kind of cap rate they'll be able to sell those for, but it sort of remains to be seen.

Andrew Liesch

Analyst

And then just on the trend of non-industry bearing deposits and just saying industry wide, we're seeing them decline, I guess, how much more remixing do you think you have on the deposit side, or any thoughts on where the non-interest bearing might flatten out?

Joe Turner

Analyst

Yeah. Where the bottom is on it? I don't think we know that, Andrew. We were down quite a bit in '22. We were down 7% this quarter. I think we'll just have to kind of wait and see.

Andrew Liesch

Analyst

Got it. All right, thanks for the questions here. Ill step back.

Operator

Operator

And it comes from the line of Damon DelMonte with KBW. Please proceed.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst

Hey, good afternoon, guys. Hope everybody's doing well today. Just a couple questions on the margin and the outlook there. Your deposit betas have held in relatively strong versus some of the others that we've seen this quarter and even last quarter. Can you give a little sense for kind of where pricing is at the end of the quarter going into the beginning of the second quarter here and kind of -- what kind of pressures you might be seeing on the funding side?

Joe Turner

Analyst

Yeah, I think we do a pretty good job of that, Damon with our point in time numbers in our average rates and spread table, we do have a March 31 point in time, which is sort of where we are right at the end of the quarter, but I would point out the swap Rex mentioned is going to impact net interest margin by probably $2.5 million dollars, based on where rates are right now, I think close to $2.5 million. Is that Rex right, Rex for the quarter, yeah, for the quarter. And then, the other thing that we'll have going on is our time portfolio will continue to reprise. I think the point in time number on the time, what was it, right?

Rex Copeland

Analyst

2.31% was the margin rate we had on time deposit. And so, again, that's a competitive thing that's sort of anybody's guess that but it's going to reprice up from there.

Damon DelMonte

Analyst

Got it. Okay. All right, that's helpful. And then with respect to kind of provisioning, provisioning and credit outlook you're obviously very strong credit quality metrics doesn't appear to be any issues on the near term horizon. I guess, how should we think about the provision in kind of in concert with where the loan loss reserve is right now? Do you feel you need to kind of build the reserve any higher or do you feel like you're just basically matching loan growth and, and net charge offs?

Joe Turner

Analyst

I think more the latter to me right now. If our, if the forecast for the economy got gloomier, then that answer might change, but assuming sort of the same sort of economic forecast, I think will probably stay sort of in the range we're at here, Rex?

Rex Copeland

Analyst

Yeah, I think so. We're definitely going to be looking at a couple of pieces of it are going to be the outstanding loan balances, what happens with those, and the unfunded portion as well. So, there's two pieces that are going to be going on there, in addition to just what we have as far as an economic forecast. So, we will look at balances of both outstanding and unfunded and then we'll place all that into the context. That's kind of how we see the economic factors compared to where we saw them in March.

Rex Copeland

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And then I guess lastly on the expense front, Rex, any updated outlook there? Do you feel that there's opportunities to lower expenses or do you feel that there's still some investments that are taking place across the organization, which will kind of keep expenses, moving up a bit?

Joe Turner

Analyst

I don't know that there's going to be a whole lot of stuff that we foresee right now as far as ways to cut things. The one expense that the million to a quarter, we have Damon that will go away, our conversion date's now scheduled for May of '24. So that will go away in May of '24. But other than that, I think, I don't know that there will be a lot of cutting. I think we're in a position where we can grow without, maybe commensurate growth in expenses. But, I don't know, there will be a lot of cutting. There's, obviously been a lot of inflation and so, net of the accounting issue that or the accounting thing that Rex talked about with, with respect to comp expense. Our comp expense was up about 4%, which I think is pretty well constrained, based on the kind of environment we're in. So, I would say expenses will kind of continue on the path that they're on now.

Rex Copeland

Analyst

Okay. Great. That's all I have for now. I'll step back. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll conclude the Q&A session and program for today? On behalf of Great Southern Bancorp, thank you for participating and you may now disconnect. Good day.