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Grocery Outlet Holding Corp. (GO)

Q2 2020 Earnings Call· Mon, Aug 10, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to Grocery Outlet’s Fiscal Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Joseph Pelland, Vice President of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Joseph Pelland

Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today’s call to discuss Grocery Outlet’s second quarter financial results. Participants on this call will make forward-looking statements, which are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from these statements. Any such items, including our outlook for fiscal 2020 and future performance, should be considered forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. A description of these factors can be found in this afternoon’s press release, as well as in our latest prospectus and periodic reports we file with the SEC, all of which may be found on our website at investors.groceryoutlet.com or on sec.gov. We undertake no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements or information. During our call, we may reference certain non-GAAP financial information, including adjusted items. Reconciliations of GAAP to non-GAAP measures, as well as the description, limitations and rationale for using each measure may be found in the supplemental financial tables included in this afternoon’s press release, in our SEC filings and on the Investors tab of our website. We reference non-GAAP measures in some of our financial discussions as we believe they more accurately represent the true operational performance and underlying results of our business. Presenting on today’s call will be Grocery Outlet’s Chief Executive Officer, Eric Lindberg; President, RJ Sheedy; and Chief Financial Officer, Charles Bracher. Following our prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. With that, I’ll turn it over to Eric.

Eric Lindberg

Analyst

Thanks, Joe. Good afternoon, everyone. I hope you and your families remain safe and well. Approximately one year ago today, we conducted our first earnings call as a public company. We are very pleased to have delivered strong and consistent financial performance since our IPO. We’re equally proud of our ability to navigate the unprecedented challenges and opportunities presented by COVID-19 in recent months. I’m also extremely proud of our hard work, dedication, community support that has been demonstrated across our organization. This includes our IOs and their store associates that worked tirelessly on the frontlines to serve our customers and our communities; our distribution center teams who went above and beyond to help us keep product flowing, our purchasing teams who leveraged our strong relationships to source both opportunistic and everyday products, enabling us to deliver great values for our customers. I’m so, so grateful for all their commitment. Looking at our second quarter results, our performance reflects the strong execution across our organization. Revenue growth of 24.5% was driven by 16.7% increase in comparable store sales and sales from 32 new store openings since June of last year. Adjusted EBITDA grew 34.7%, reflecting gross margin expansion, slightly offset by modest SG&A deleverage due to higher costs related to protecting our employees and our customers during COVID-19. As we move forward, we will continue to reinvest productivity savings and leverage our flexible business model to drive long term growth. Consistent with that philosophy, we’re accelerating our investments in people and capabilities across three areas. First, advancing how we buy, as we further develop our infrastructure to drive a wider gap in our leadership position in secondary market; second, advancing how we sell by improving our ability to attract the very best operator candidates and prepare them for success, and…

RJ Sheedy

Analyst

Thanks, Eric, and good afternoon, everyone. We remain incredibly thankful to our independent operators, our buying and distribution teams, and our valued partners for their outstanding efforts and dedication in helping us to support communities since the start of this pandemic. Our combination of extreme value, unexpected deals, localized assortment and friendly service resonates with customers now more than ever. Over the last several months, we have leaned on our flexible operations to adapt quickly to industry changes. Our inventory management capabilities and supply chain execution enabled us to consistently meet increased consumer demand throughout this period. Our inventory levels remain healthy, debt to value remains strong, and we continue to offer an exciting treasure hunt of Wow Deals for customers shopping our stores. Our execution in the first half of this year was made stronger by prior investments made in strategic business initiatives. For example, consistent reinvestments in purchasing through people, process and systems has enabled us to further strengthen our leadership position in the secondary market and scale our business for growth. These investments help deepen relationships and improve partnerships with existing suppliers. They also help to support new and better ways of pursuing partnerships with both, traditional and non-traditional suppliers. We’ve talked before about greater specialization in our buying organization, opportunistic supply remains plentiful and our specialized approach is helping us capture even more of this product. Our buying team continues to develop and strengthen supplier partnerships, ranging from our largest strategic suppliers down to smaller high growth companies. We also continue to deploy new strategies to identify, establish and develop relationships with new suppliers. Our relationships with many of our largest suppliers go back decades, and we consider them to be an expansion of the geo family. These partnerships are strategic, which means they are broad,…

Charles Bracher

Analyst

Thanks, RJ. Good afternoon, everyone. Our second quarter results reflect the strength of our business model and the outstanding efforts by our team and our independent operators as we continue to operate through this pandemic. Sales for the second quarter increased 24.5% to $803.4 million compared with the same period last year. This growth was driven by a 16.7% increase in comparable store sales as well as the sales contribution from 32 net additional stores since the end of the second quarter last year. Our comp growth in the quarter was a result of an increase in average transaction size, partially offset by decline in traffic. Comp performance was once again in broad-based with strength across all regions and vintages. We opened seven new stores in the quarter ending with 362 locations. We remain pleased with the performance of our newer stores, which consistent with our established stores, are benefiting from elevated food-at-home spending. Second quarter gross profit increased 27.7% from prior year to $253.8 million as gross margin performance exceeded our expectations going into the quarter. Our gross margin rate was exceptionally strong, increasing approximately [Technical Difficulty] basis points from prior year to 31.6%, largely due to reduced markdowns and throwaways as a result of faster inventory turnover. This improvement in inventory efficiency more than offset distribution cost deleverage, resulting from enhanced safety measures and higher personnel expense at our warehouses related to COVID-19. SG&A expense grew 25.6% to $198 million with the increase largely attributable to higher variable commissions to independent operators, resulting from gross margin dollar growth, higher store occupancy due to unit expansion, and continued personnel and infrastructure investment to support the growth of our business. In addition, we incurred incremental COVID-related store and corporate costs, as well as public company costs and transaction expenses related…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Paul Trussell with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Paul Trussell

Analyst

Yes. Good afternoon, and congrats on another good quarter. To start, maybe we could touch on the availability of goods as well as the performance, kind of breaking down between everyday items as well as opportunistic items.

RJ Sheedy

Analyst

Hi Paul, it’s RJ. I can take that one -- those two questions. I’ll start with the availability of opportunistic supply. We continue to see ample supply from our partners. As mentioned in our comments, we’re pleased with the health of the inventory and the overall assortment. And according to the great work done by our buying inventory management teams and maintaining inventory levels that we have, we’re in a unique situation for sure. But, we’ve been at this business for a long time, and we’ve been through lots of different cycles. I’d say, we’re keeping very close contact with all of our suppliers. We understand supplier dynamic very well. Whether it’s changes to a service being made or innovation or where product may still be on allocation. I’d point to our success right now being a result of the same method and approach that really we’ve followed over many, many years. We haven’t changed the way that we conduct business, even in this unique situation. We continue to benefit from doing business with lots of different suppliers. We pointed to the diversified supplier base as a strength on previous calls. Supply does cycle by item and supplier. And so to be able to balance that across many supplier partnerships, helps at all times. And important to remember here that this just contributes to the treasure hunt experience in the stores and that customers are used to changes in items and they get excited by new and different items showing up a great value on a regular basis. Always come back to the partnerships we have with suppliers, strong long-lasting partnerships. We’re a solutions provider to them. We partner strategically on long-term goals. We follow a customized approach. We work creatively. All of these things -- they’re long-term in nature,…

Paul Trussell

Analyst

That’s really helpful color. Thank you. And just as a follow-up, is there any metrics or color you can share on what you’re seeing from a new customer count standpoint or just overall bringing awareness. And while food at home is obviously benefiting, all stores. Charles, is there a way that you kind of strip that out and kind of gauge new store productivity that you can speak to? Thank you.

RJ Sheedy

Analyst

Yes. Paul, I’ll take the first part and then Charles can pick up on the second. I’d say, in regards to new customers, we’re pleased with the number of new customers that continue to come into our stores. New customer levels are attracting at very, very healthy levels, particularly in our developing markets, specifically Los Angeles and Pennsylvania, so, seeing really nice new customer account growth there. In terms of metrics, we conduct regular surveys. I would say, we look at profile of the customer, we look at shopping behaviors, we look at satisfaction with Grocery Outlet. I’d say a couple things. One, new customers are mix of those that shop with us primary, secondary tertiary, very consistent with what we’ve seen in the past and consistent with the overall mix, and having a great experience. So satisfaction is high, they’re very satisfied with the store experience. And we believe there’s incredible stickiness to that experience, and we’re seeing it in the metrics from our survey. The treasure hunt resonates with them, value, the convenience of a small shop, the operator, the connection to community, Health and Safety of course is critically important to customers now and they’re satisfied with the things that our operators are doing around health and safety and cleaning. And so, they’re coming in and they’re having a good experience. And we think that bodes well for us looking forward. Charles?

Charles Bracher

Analyst

Yes. Paul, just to add RJ’s comments on new store productivity. We’re really pleased to see performance in these stores. Again, the rising tide is lifting all boats. And so, we’ve seen new stores open this year, as well as the ramping vintages for the past several years continue to benefit. And importantly, as RJ mentioned, a big part of that is new customer acquisition. So, feel really good about where we are. It’s important metric for us and one that we track very closely.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Randy Konik with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Randy Konik

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, guys. How are you? Can you hear me?

RJ Sheedy

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Yes.

Randy Konik

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, sorry. So, I guess, my first one, maybe back to RJ, kind of a follow-up on the first question there. So, can you give us a little bit more background? You talked about expanding the supplier base during the pandemic, cruise lines, hotels, et cetera. But, could you maybe frame out a little bit more quantitatively just how the supplier base has grown maybe in the past six months, past five years and past 10 years? The reason I’m asking is, during the Great Recession, we saw TJX had a similar thing happened to them where their supplier base exploded during the Great Recession, and it kind of led to a really kind of expansive partnership network. And then, the other thing that happened with that particular company was the nature of the relationship or the dynamic of that relationship with those suppliers also changed. And when I’m hearing your comments on the script -- with the script with the call, it sounds like the dynamic relationship with these suppliers is deepening even further, meaning you’re getting even more preferential treatment -- mostly as a preferred partner, getting more maybe some made for product or something beyond just opportunistic close, that kind of stuff. Maybe just give us some perspective on quantifying that supplier base, and then, kind of giving us a little bit more meet around the dynamic of the relationship with the supplier base and how that’s been changing over the past, three months, and the past few years?

RJ Sheedy

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Thanks for the question, Randy. Yes, a lot of what you just said there is true and what we’ve experienced over the years, and certainly growth in terms of number of suppliers. We’ve expanded our supplier base as the assortment has evolved. So, you think about categories and we talk a lot about NOSH. But I’d point to natural, again, specialty-healthy is seeing tremendous growth and the establishment of new supplier partnerships. That’s in part because of how we’ve evolved assortment and of course, what’s happening within the supplier landscape with new upstart suppliers and higher growth suppliers coming into the industry and we’ve been able to establish those relationships and grow with them. To your comment about the types of relationships, and how that’s evolved, we talk a lot about strategic partnerships. And in the comments there, what that means to us is it is much more than a transactional type of relationship. And it’s much more than an individual opportunistic deal. So, we partner with them together for the long term. And so, -- and we treat the relationship accordingly. So, if you think about things like creative solutions to instances where they’re stuck. Certainly, as we think about costs and margin and value in that equation, it’s over a longer period of time. We, I’d say, we’ve evolved into more of a hybrid opportunistic and everyday mix with many of our larger suppliers. And that’s proven to be mutually beneficial. We’re a high growth channel for them and we continue to access more and more of their opportunistic. Specialization within our team is a part of managing these relationships better. So, we think about strategic suppliers. And an approach that works well there. We think about smaller, high-growth suppliers and tailoring our approach needed there. And…

Randy Konik

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Very helpful. And I guess, real quick follow-up. Just maybe there is a progress report on younger market progress, let’s say, like Pennsylvania or Southern California and how that compares to mature market performances, just so we get a flavor for how the younger markets and the East Coast are doing relative to the historical markets. Thanks, guys.

Eric Lindberg

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, Randy. It’s Eric. Good to talk to you. We’ve said it before that the East business is still a very young business. Super excited to have Heather back there. She started really in earnest in February. I’d say great progress this year in terms of comps and sort of her leadership in the market and sort of getting us set up for growth transfer out to Southern California. And that market’s done really, really well. We really started opening stores there sort of 2014-2015. And it’s taken us a while to get up to what I think is going to be around 85 to 90 store account by the end of this year. And, our market shares are still fairly small, but we’re doing really well down there. I think the brand is growing. We’ve concentrated a lot on supply chain in the last few years and making sure we’re buying product, putting it in LA and distributing from there. We’ve also focused our recruiting locally for placement locally. And so, everything’s sort of clicking together. And obviously, as we build that market share and build that position, things will continue to get even better. So, we’re really pleased with both of them.

Randy Konik

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Super helpful. Thanks, guys. I really appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Robbie Ohmes with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Robbie Ohmes

Analyst · Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, guys, great quarter. And thanks for taking my questions, actually just two quick questions. The first was just on the sequential slowdown to the 10% comps. Any color on whether the slowdown is more traffic or ticket-driven, sort of maybe just more color on the slowdown. And maybe are there any category things that are -- any categories slowing sequentially more than others? And then, my other question is just on the incremental COVID-19 costs. Can you remind me what the IO cost structure is in terms of how much should the COVID-19 -- are you guys helping them with the store level COVID-19 costs or are your incremental costs all your side of the business? Thanks.

Charles Bracher

Analyst · Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, Robbie, it’s Charles. Let me tackle both of those. So first, with respect to the comp flow. I would say that the trend -- the enduring trend that we’re seeing is that safety is really top of mind for customers. So, beginning the second quarter and continuing now, they continue to consolidate their trips into the store. And so, the overall traffic trend has been steady. And I think that’s true across our markets. It’s really been the average basket size as well as remains elevated. That is starting to moderate as the economy is slowly reopening. So, really hard to say how traffic and basket are going to trend as we move into the fall and winter. But, I think, broadly speaking, this trend of overall moderating cost is one that we would expect as markets continue to reopen. So, that’s comp flow. Secondly, your question on COVID costs. Yes. So, we are absorbing some costs and helping support the operators and costs that would normally fall onto their P&L, things like supply costs in the store for personal protective equipment and safety-related costs, cleaning costs. Again, it’s not per the letter [ph] of the operator agreement, it wouldn’t be a cost of ours. So, we think it’s the right thing to do. And so, we’ve absorbed those costs in the second quarter, and we would anticipate continuing to absorb those costs as we move through the balance of the year here.

Robbie Ohmes

Analyst · Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

That’s great. That makes a lot of sense and really helpful. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Michael Lasser with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Lasser

Analyst · UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Good afternoon. Thanks a lot for taking my question. If you look at the customer base by shopping behavior, so the full shops versus those who are just doing a filling in, which I think you had some nomenclature and how you refer to those different buckets earlier in the call. How are those two baskets doing quarter-to-date versus where they were doing in the first two quarters of the year? So, my question is, basically, are you seeing a slowdown in those filling shops -- shoppers or is the slowdown occurring more in those who are doing their main shop at Grocery Outlet?

RJ Sheedy

Analyst · UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Hi, Michael. Yes, I’d say, across different shopping behaviors or groups, if you will, we talk about primary, secondary, tertiary, we’ve seen consistent trends So, no particular trends specific to one versus the other.

Michael Lasser

Analyst · UBS. Please proceed with your question.

And for those customers who you are able -- who you’ve been able to attract new into the pool, have you been able to trade them up from being tertiary or secondary into a primary shopper, and how do you do that?

RJ Sheedy

Analyst · UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. So, we -- as I said, we -- they’ve been a healthy mix. They’re newer, so there isn’t a ton of history there for movement, if you will. And then, beyond that, we don’t necessarily think of all tertiaries as potential for secondary or secondary to primary all the way up. Customers shop us in different ways. They put us into shopping patterns specific to their needs and how that works for them. So yes, certainly to the extent that we’re -- they have the propensity to become primary, as we continue to offer great value and a great shopping experience, they’ll move there. But, we don’t really think of our business so much in that way in terms of customer migration, as you’ve described it, just given the unique nature of our store and how we appeal to different customers in different ways.

Michael Lasser

Analyst · UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Thank you very much and good luck.

RJ Sheedy

Analyst · UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Oliver Chen with Cowen. Please proceed with your question.

Oliver Chen

Analyst · Cowen. Please proceed with your question.

Hi. Thank you. Inventory management was tightly managed this quarter. As we look ahead, should we expect inventory growth to underpay sales growth in the back half as well? Do you expect that trend to continue? Also, your comments on buyer specialization. Why was now the right time for that to happen? And what do you see happening in terms of timing of impact of that decision?

Charles Bracher

Analyst · Cowen. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, Oliver. This is Charles. Let me take the first part and then I’ll send it over to RJ. But with respect to inventory, yes, really pleased with the current composition and level of inventory that we have. Of course, we saw a nice rebuild from the end of the first quarter. So, as we look towards the back half of the year, I would think in general, it’s going to trend roughly in line with sales growth. Of course, given the nature of our business and the opportunistic purchasing it can fluctuate a bit more than traditional retail. But, I think that general rule of thumb of in line with sales growth is pretty safe.

RJ Sheedy

Analyst · Cowen. Please proceed with your question.

And in regards to specialization, we’ve been talking about that for a number of years. I’d say, the first piece was when we introduced inventory management back in 2013, those were tasks handled by the buying team previously. So, the first piece there. And then, more recently, really two years ago started the planning and moving people into everyday and opportunistic. And really just a reflection of being able to better manage the business, recognizing that opportunistic and every day are unique parts to buying and with the change, we’ve been able to go deeper. So, on the everyday side, still growing into better category management, and everything involved with that. And then on the opportunistic aside, it’s been hugely beneficial to have 100% focus from that team as we think about the different tiers and types of suppliers as well as new supplier acquisition.

Oliver Chen

Analyst · Cowen. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. And as you do look ahead curbside pickup and delivery, what are your thoughts about how that may be a factor in your future and what your customers want and how the specialness of the treasure hunt may or may not relate to those digital options?

RJ Sheedy

Analyst · Cowen. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Our long-term position on e-commerce hasn’t changed. We have a long runway for growth with -- through both our existing stores as well as new store growth. And ultimately, our customers enjoy the in store Wow shopping experience, the treasure hunt, the value the personal engagement. So, it’s still hard to replicate online. And we don’t want to sacrifice value for that. So, we’ll continue to evaluate e-commerce relative to other long-term priorities. And then, in the meantime, we continue to develop with digital marketing, things like personalization and social media and growth of email database, all those things have been impactful for us. And we think that helps us quite a lot in terms of new customers and share of wallet growth.

Oliver Chen

Analyst · Cowen. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. And lastly, on that point you’re making about digital marketing and marketing spend. How are you thinking about the incremental dollar and spending at what medium and customer acquisition costs, as you look at different options online and you also allocate your dollars from print media?

RJ Sheedy

Analyst · Cowen. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. It’s really been a shift. So, we’ve become more efficient with our marketing spend and a lot of digital has come as we’ve shifted away from print. And, traditional conventional marketing media, print is still very prominent. And we’ve just shifted those dollars more efficiently, more effectively. And I’ve always said, it’s better for this business, real time store-specific items, digital supports that in a way that print never could. And so, it’s been beneficial both from an efficiency standpoint, but also from an effectiveness standpoint in fitting with our model as well.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of John Heinbockel with Guggenheim. Please proceed with your question.

John Heinbockel

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please proceed with your question.

Maybe for RJ. I know a lot of the stuff you’ve done with the procurement department has been with internal folks. Have you expanded that group here or intend to with the part of the investment? One is on that. And then secondarily, where you think you could end up here on the private grand journey, particularly we’re in a downturn and it may last for a while?

RJ Sheedy

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. So, we have expanded the group. So, one of the best investments we make is in people. And so, the group has grown as the business has grown. Part of that related to specialization, part of that just related to a growing business. So, we’ll continue to invest in people and would expect that to continue to be a very positive return for us. And then for private label, we haven’t increased the priority on that. It still remains on the list as far as feature roadmap goes. We continue to see plenty of supply from an opportunistic standpoint. So, that’s always preferred. And it’s something that we’ll keep on the list and will determine when or if it becomes a higher priority in terms of assortment strategy.

John Heinbockel

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please proceed with your question.

And then, maybe just a quick follow-up, WOW Alerts in a consolidating trip environment, right? So, I know they were very effective and getting people in more frequently. How effective are they in COVID? And then, have you changed your approach in COVID?

RJ Sheedy

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. So, very effective, John. For one, it’s a great way to communicate to customers what we have in the store. So, if they’re not sure about making a trip or they’re trying to decide where to go, we think it’s a great guide -- it’s even more relevant now than ever, great way to communicate that to customers. When we think about personalization, it’s really about expanding WOW Alert. So to show them more of the sore, take it outside the four walls and make it more specific to the customer for the items or the categories that they’re looking for. So, really pleased that we have that and we expect that to be important part of digital marketing for us ahead.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Karen Short with Barclays. Please proceed with your question

Karen Short

Analyst · Barclays. Please proceed with your question

Hi. A couple of questions for you, maybe a little more housekeepingish. But, first would be, can you give us a little bit of an update on the promotional environment and whether, say from your conventionals if you’ve noticed an uptick in the promotional environment from them? The second is, you called out commodity costs increases going forward. So, could you just give a little color on what you’re seeing on inflation and what your expectations are? And then, I just have one question related to the IOs.

Eric Lindberg

Analyst · Barclays. Please proceed with your question

Hey, Karen, Eric. Thanks for the question. Yes. I would say nothing unique in the promotional environment that you all haven’t seen and read about. I think, if you paid attention to the I think Albertsons and Safeway call, they just couldn’t rely on suppliers. Inventory was down and it’s very difficult to promote, people are starting to get back into the fresh side where controls is a little bit is better. But we have not seen a whole lot different than what you all write and describe. We’re not seeing any new competitive activity or any gimmicks in any of the markets, but I’d say it’s pretty much status quo to what we’ve read as well.

Charles Bracher

Analyst · Barclays. Please proceed with your question

And, Karen, this is Charles. Let me address the inflation question. So, we didn’t feel much inflationary cost pressure in the second quarter. But, we are now starting to feel that across a number of categories, including meat, and deli and produce. So, we do expect that’s going to be a bit of a gross margin headwind in the back half of the year that we didn’t see in the first half. Again, we love the fact that our model allows us to mitigate some of those inflationary pressures because we can buy and merchandise flexibly. But, we do think nonetheless, it will be some somewhat of an impact in the back half.

Karen Short

Analyst · Barclays. Please proceed with your question

Okay, thanks. And then, just one quick question on the IOs. Can you just give us an update, if you did, I missed this, but on the interest rate relief that you had called out in 1Q for the IOs?

Charles Bracher

Analyst · Barclays. Please proceed with your question

Yes. So, that continues to be the case. We’ve given relief to the IOs to the tune of a 50% reduction in their interest rate. And as I mentioned before, it’s one of many COVID-related costs that we’re absorbing. And we would anticipate to continue to do so as we work our way through the pandemic.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Simeon Gutman with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Simeon Gutman

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, guys. It’s Simeon. So, my first question is a modeling one with two parts. The first part is, could gross margins be up again in 2021 for any reason? And then, related to it is incremental margins in general for this business have been in the mid-single digit range, and that’s what your normalized comps of let’s say 4% to 5% or 6%. When we start normalizing to those levels, should the incremental margins follow? And any reason why they should be stronger or weaker than those historical numbers?

Charles Bracher

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Simeon, this is Charles. Let me try to tackle both of those. So, first of all, with respect to your gross margin question. So, yes, really pleased with the performance we saw in the first half of the year. Again, shrink was a big benefit just because of the sustained momentum on the top line. So, we saw much lower markdowns and throwaways. We’ve always said that over the long term, we take the view of managing for stable margins. And I’d say, that’s true, both with respect to the gross margin line as well as adjusted EBITDA margin lines. So, we’re just starting our initial planning for 2021. We very much expect it will be a fluid environment in which we’ll be operating. But again, what I can tell you is longer term, we manage the business for stable margins. And again, both gross margins and adjusted EBITDA margins. The reason is because of the reinvestment that we’ve talked about. You will definitely have quarters, you can have quarters like we had in Q2 where really up and down the P&L stars aligned and we saw some nice flow through. But our objective would be to make sure that we’re doing the right things, to reinvest in talent and an infrastructure to ensure our success as we continue to grow stores.

Simeon Gutman

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. And then, my follow-up just with regard to the IOs and some of the training that was mentioned. First, I don’t know if you’d say this, but what was the tone that you use this quarter in terms of the script around training, was a little bit more urgency or heightened I importance? And second of all, if it was, can you talk about the performance gap over the past two quarters among stores, or is it widening? And is there anything in terms of the IO P&L that’s differing? And so, what is the urgency or let’s say the heightened importance on the training?

Eric Lindberg

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Hey, Simeon, Eric. I think you picked up on it correctly. I think, the urgency is all about scaling and just the reflection that we have, 70 to 75 to 80 inbound AOTs per year that we’re training and getting ready to go out into the system. I’d say, second, if your traditional grocery manager that’s thinking about another opportunity, this is probably not the year that you’re looking. So, we’re dipping our toe into some other candidates from outside of the grocery arena. So, it’s an opportunity for us to upgrade the training and both from a forced virtual training to combined with what we’re doing in the stores and then two train people on the grocery business that may possess other skills, entrepreneurial or customer service or back office. So, I would say it’s all of those things. And then, I think you’ve heard themes throughout from us that if it’s working well, that’s a good time for us to pick at it and see if we can improve it. So, just a threat of continuous improvement would be probably the final.

Simeon Gutman

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks Eric.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes on the line of Joe Feldman with Telsey Advisory Group. Please proceed with your question.

Joe Feldman

Analyst

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to go back. RJ, you were talking about personalization in your response to John about it as well. But, how are you hearing the message on those WOW Alerts? That’s kind of how I think about personalization, or is it just like you’re increasing the number of WOW Alerts and to people, like, what is actually happening there?

RJ Sheedy

Analyst

Yes. So, personalization, we’re in the very early innings still Joe of planning how we can come more customized and personalized, mentioned in the comments, this welcome series email campaign that we put out to new customers. So it’s specific to them. They’re new to the model. So it is about introducing and educating them because it is a different kind of shopping. We want customers to understand that. The WOW Alerts are still now not personalized to customers. They’re specific -- as they’ve always been specific to stores and items. So, they’re local and they’re real time and they reflect some of our best value, highest velocity items. The next phase then with WOW Alerts, once we start tracking more customer specific information would be to have that specific to you Joe versus someone else based on what you like what you buy and other suggestions or things that you find interesting. We have super high engagement from these WOW Alert emails that go out. Customers look for them, they open them, they react to them, and we think we can engage -- we can increase that engagement further still, when it becomes even more relevant to you, and your specific needs.

Joe Feldman

Analyst

Great. Thank you for that. And then, I guess, follow-up maybe also for you RJ was the opportunistic buys that you’re seeing out there, are there any categories within the space that’s like really heavy, and like there’s too much of it, and you can’t take all of it, obviously, but -- or is it pretty broad-based, as if where you’re seeing the opportunities?

RJ Sheedy

Analyst

Yes, it’s really broad based. And to the extent that there ever are situations where it’s too heavy or lighter, so to speak, I mean, I’d say those are -- those in for long history, this company operating with this model is just part of normal fluctuations and cycles that happen. And so, -- but yes, on the whole and over reasonable period of time, it’s healthy. And, nothing specific to categories, it’s ample really across all and things move around but not have any significance to point to that it would -- call out one category versus another.

Operator

Operator

Our last question comes from the line of Jeremy Hamblin with Dougherty and Company. Please proceed with your question.

Jeremy Hamblin

Analyst

Thanks and congrats on the strong results. I wanted to start with a question on store openings. You increased your guidance by a couple of units. In terms of as we look forward into 2021, can you provide any commentary on the quality of the real estate opportunities you’re seeing, the quantity of real estate opportunities, and whether or not kind of what’s transpired here in 2020 makes you think a little differently about the types of locations that you might look at going forward? And then, I had a follow-up question.

Eric Lindberg

Analyst

Hey, Jeremy, Eric. I’ll take the latter part of the question. No change in direction in terms of the types of sites that we’re going to consider. We’re always looking for a great real estate, whether it’s a dense market or rural market, we want to be sort of where people are, and they’re used to shopping. So, I’d say that would be an overarching for us. Relative to long term, the target we think the 10% unit growth works really well. The pipeline for 2021 is very strong. We’ve continued having a real estate meetings, monthly approving sites, getting lease assigned, we continue to go out and look into markets. And we’re excited about both, the finish of this year and the prospects for next year. I think, relative to the big question that we’ve gotten from a number of people is what do we think is going to happen in years ‘21 and ‘22, relative to supply? I would say, the markets that we operate in, for many years have been pretty competitive. Lots of people looking into 15,000 square feet, up to 30,000 square feet, we’ve been able to be really flexible, split up boxes, like Kmarts and Sears and other retailers that are giving up sites and get into 10,000 square feet all the way up to 30,000, 35,000 square feet. I think what is going to happen is this greater real estate markets where it gives back square footage, we’re getting more opportunities versus less. And if we have more opportunities, I think we’ll have a good focus on quality but at the same time, I think there could be some opportunities relative to what we have to pay to get into those sites.

Jeremy Hamblin

Analyst

Okay. That’s great. And then, just in terms of -- I wanted to ask a follow-up question actually on PPE costs. In terms of now, we’re many months into the pandemic, it seems as though there’s been some efficiency gains in terms of managing simply because we have better visibility on what needs to be done and there’s less of a scramble in terms of getting PPE to the team. Can you give a sense on whether or not the impact of those costs, is that starting to diminish as it relates to the overall total cost, percent cost of sales. But, just any color you might be able to provide on that would be helpful.

Charles Bracher

Analyst

Jeremy, this is Charles. Let me try to provide a little bit of insight there. I would say and I should emphasize everything we’re seeing for COVID cost for us, given our model, it’s across a number of areas and hits several different lines in the P&L. Some of that’s expense, some of it’s capital. But everything from our distribution centers to cost in our corporate office for the staff that remains and all the work from home costs, everything where I talked about that we’re doing stores, both from a support standpoint for IOs as well as incremental capital that we’ve put into the stores. So, it is a number of things. It was a significant impact to us in Q2, and really was one of the key drivers as to why we delevered SG&A in the quarter. I do think that while there may be some efficiencies we’re seeing, it’s going to continue to be a significant cost for us, until we get on the backside of COVID. So, from a modeling standpoint, it’s really one of the reasons why we’re trying to orient folks towards the back half of the year, and adjusted EBITDA margins again being slightly lower than prior year.

Jeremy Hamblin

Analyst

Okay, great, guys. One last question may be on your debt and kind of replace or pull bad debt down. In terms of thinking on a go-forward basis, you’re generating a lot of cash. Is that a priority to potentially reduce the overall debt levels here as you move into 2021 or into 2022?

Charles Bracher

Analyst

Yes. The way we’re thinking about it, Jeremy, is that until we get -- again on the backside of COVID, let’s just take the conservative approach and continue to put excess cash back into -- back on the balance sheet. We feel great about the liquidity position. As you point out, we’ve got plenty of internal cash flow to fund our investments in growth as a result of how good we felt we did take the opportunity to repay the revolver in May. But, I think, what we’ve done is decided to table the longer term discussion around what’s the right leverage ratio ultimately for this business and then what do we want to do with excess cash after that? I think again, that’ll be a conversation we can revisit once we get some more clarity around COVID.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I’d like to hand the call back to Eric Lindberg for closing remarks.

Eric Lindberg

Analyst

Hey. Thanks, everyone, for joining us. I appreciate all your questions, and we look forward to catching up with you individually after this call. Thanks so much. Take care.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today’s teleconference. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day.