Thomas Joseph McInerney
Analyst
Yes, I would say, Craig, that this is a turnaround that's going to occur over a 2- or 3-year time frame. I think we're accelerating the turnaround, and we're pleased, so far, with how things are going. Still a lot more work to do. I would say that both in U.S. MI and the long-term care business -- and for U.S. MI, what we're underwriting today, and really, what we've been underwriting for several years now, is very good business, which we think has returns in excess of 15%. The same for long-term care, the current product we're selling, we think, has good returns. This new product, which we call Flex 2.5 -- I'm sure we'll come up with a jazzier marketing name for it. But that product, we think, is -- the benefits and the pricing are very good. We will have less interest rate risk and lapse risk and less morbidity risk, so we do think that, as I said in my comments, that the returns on that will be well north of 15%. Going to the other lines of business, we have in life and fixed annuities, I think the industry average, over time, is in the 10%, 11% range and I think those products have less risk, certainly, than long-term care. And so we think that's still an acceptable return. And then I think we're seeing in Australia and Canada, very good returns, double digits. And we expect those to continue over time. But coming back to -- the overall ROE for Genworth Financial is low. It's certainly improving, but we've got quite a bit of work to do to continue in the turnaround. I would -- since we're in the World Series time frame, I would say that we're probably in the second or third inning of the turnaround. And so more to come, but I think we're on a good track.