Yes, it's Patrick speaking. I think, again, structurally, if you look at the margin sort of independently of the 2 sort of LOBs, I mean if you look at -- let's -- if you look at Environmental Services, that business sort of on a like-for-like basis is sort of running at 300 to 400 basis points higher than the rest of the sector on -- after sort of SG&A allocation.
So I think we still have a lot to do. I think there's still fuel surcharges, environmental surcharges. There's a bunch of other charges that we think we can implement in that business to push that business on a like-for-like basis in the sort of high 20s. Our solid waste business today, again, post sort of SG&A allocation sort of running in the high 20s today. If you look at the implementation of the repricing and sort of the EPR contracts, municipal hauling contracts that continue to come over, plus the implementation of the fuel surcharge, environmental surcharges, the level set that we've been through over the last couple of years, that's what's allowed that sort of outsized margin expansion.
Coupled together now with, again, the implementation of the tablets in our trucks, again, to allow us to capture charges that we're able to charge contractually that we may be sort of missing today. And I said the rollout of those 3,500 tablets is going to be very meaningful. And again, sort of catch up on that. So I think when you sort of put that all together, plus EPR, plus RNG in the [indiscernible] book of business, which we have very little of today, that is going to push us I would say, closer to industry-leading margins in solid waste. So all that together, we think over the next 2 to 3 years, all of that happens. And I'd say by 2026, you have a real sort of turning point on sort of on margins and the free cash flow profile of the entire business of free cash flow conversion as we sort of move there.