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Phoenix New Media Limited (FENG)

Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 13, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Phoenix New Media 2018 Third Quarter Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. I must advise you that this conference is being recorded today, Tuesday, 13th of November 2018. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Qing Liu. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Qing Liu

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Thank you, and welcome to Phoenix New Media third quarter 2018 earnings conference call. I’m joined here by our Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Shuang Liu; and Chief Financial Officer, Ms. Betty Ho. For today’s agenda, management will provide us with a review on the quarter and also include a Q&A session after the management’s prepared remarks. The third quarter 2018 financial results and webcast of this conference call are available at the Investor Relations section of www.ifeng.com. A replay of the call will be available on the website in a few hours. Before we continue, I refer you to our Safe Harbor statement in our earnings press release, which applies to this call as we will make forward-looking statements. Finally, please note that unless otherwise stated, all figures mentioned during this conference call are in RMB. With that, I’d like to turn the call over to Mr. Shuang Liu, our CEO.

Shuang Liu

Analyst

Thank you, Qing. Good morning, and good evening, everyone. Before I discuss our third quarter’s results, let me first update you on the progress we have made in regulatory compliance. As we announced in late September, we temporarily suspended our ifeng News Mobile Application and WAP website, as well as a few of our channels, our ifeng.com, upon receiving at the special government notice. Although only a portion of our services was suspended for two weeks, our financial results and our public image were nonetheless impacted, and this impact may persist for one or two quarters. This event, the suspension was part of a broader industry-wide campaign that the government initiated in the beginning of the year to foster a healthier online environment and many media outlets received similar notices. We have moved swiftly and decisively in a series of actions to buttress our operations upon receiving the suspension notice. First, we have reinforced our general training to bolster our professionalism and tact when reporting sensitive topics. Second, we have made our content management, regulatory compliance and risk control procedures more stringent. Third, we have realigned our priorities in terms of the types of new contents we choose to cover. In our coverage of domestic current affairs, we will exercise more caution going forward, while allocating more resources to contents regarding lifestyle, finance, technology and entertainment. We believe these measures should better equip us to adapt to the evolving regulations. On the bright side, our users have expressed understanding and encouragement for the temporary setback we’re experiencing. The speed and the magnitude of which user data has recovered was better than we expected, which demonstrates our user stickiness. We are grateful for our users’ unwavering support and for their continued loyalty during this difficult period. We’re doing everything we can…

Betty Yip Ho

Analyst

Thank you, Shuang, and thank you all for joining our conference call today. Before I update you on the financial details, I would like to shed light on the impact of the newly adopted accounting standard, ASC 606, namely revenue from contracts and customers, which took effect from January 1, 2018. By applying the modified retrospective matter under the new standard, sales taxes and surcharges, which were previously presented as a component of cost of revenues are now presented as a reduction item of revenues. Some advertising for advertising partner transactions, which were previously not recognized as revenues are now recognized as revenues. For comparative purposes, here we will provide our financial highlights under the old accounting standard, ASC 605. For the amount and ratios under the new accounting standard, ASC 606, please refer to our earning release, where we have provided the financial items under both the old accounting standard and the new accounting standard. Now let me take you through our financial highlights for the third quarter of 2018. The amounts mentioned here are all in RMB, unless otherwise noted. The difference between GAAP and non-GAAP consist of share-based compensation and gain or loss from the equity method investments, including impairments. ifeng’s total revenue for the third quarter of 2018 were RMB355 million, representing a decrease of 16.6% from RMB425.6 million in the same period last year. Non-GAAP net income attributable to Phoenix New Media Limited for the third quarter of 2018 were RMB21.3 million, as compared to non-GAAP net income attributable to Phoenix New Media of RMB34.4 million in the same period last year. Non-GAAP net loss per diluted ADS in the third quarter of 2018 were RMB0.29, as compared to non-GAAP net income per diluted ADS of RMB0.48 in the same period last year. First, I…

Operator

Operator

Thank you, Betty. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Frank Chen from Macquarie. Please ask the question.

Frank Chen

Analyst

Hi, Shuang. Hello, Betty, thank you for taking my question. I have two questions. The first one is about our new initiatives. In the press release and prepared remarks, you had mentioned multiple times that you are going to diversify the growth drivers going forward. And do you – you mentioned the lifestyle-related verticals during the past two quarters. Can you elaborate more about that and our revenue outlook you invest in new initiatives? And second is about our core advertising business. You mentioned earlier that the outlook for next year is very challenging. I want to – can you share with me more about how you think of the core ad business outlook into next year amidst the slowdown in macro? Thank you. That’s all my questions. Thank you.

Shuang Liu

Analyst

Okay. thank you. This is Shuang. Let me answer your first question. Vertical area is definitely the important area we’re going to focus on. As President Xi Jinping pointed out in the 19th Congressional Report, to meet the people’s desire for happy life is our mission. As consumption upgrade accelerates, more opportunities emerge in the industry vertices, especially in mobile-based verticals. Phoenix New Media has accumulated unrivaled vast customer base in verticals, especially in auto, finance, technology, fashion and real estate area. So we have consistently ranked the top traffic generator on the PC platform. So next stage of our strategic focus is how to marry our immense traffic on our premium brand with our extensive advertising network to capitalize on emerging opportunities in each of the lifestyle verticals. One of our strategy is to enable the Chinese consumer to cultivate a happy lifestyle. We aim to build an ecosystem evolving around the middle-class desire to become very important in both aspects of life, including food, clothing, home décor, travel, healthcare, parenting and so on. As we potentially collect the return on investment in Yidian, we plan to accelerate our ecosystem development through a combination of potential acquisition with organic growth and innovation. We will expand our business model to encompass e-commerce and service-based transaction fees in addition to page view-based advertising fees. So that represents a major shift of our future business model. But at the present date, it’s hard to quantify the exact revenue stream going forward. In constructing our company for each lifestyle verticals, we’ll not only leverage our own apps, allow distribution channels on Weibo and WeChat, but also actively expand also third-party platforms. So that we can satisfy our users’ demand for service beyond information gathering. We will target the upper-end and middle classes, anchor our foothold in a few key verticals such real estate, finance, fashion and engineer innovative products and device original monetization matters. In the next – in the coming months, we’re going to recruit new talents, new team with a focus on fashion and entertainment areas. We’ll not only rely on our own platforms, we’re going to make it a content-driven and fee-based model. So that, that will jumpstart our initiative on vertical areas. I hope this answers your question. Betty?

Betty Yip Ho

Analyst

Hi, Frank, this is Betty. Let me address your second question. The decrease of advertising revenues in the third quarter, as you know, was mainly due to the slowing down of the macroeconomics, which led to a cut of advertising budgets; and the tightened regulations of the advertisements on medical and health products, gaming and financial services, et cetera. And these are in addition to the five-day suspension in late September within the total of the 14-day suspension. And the suspension impact, we understand that it will continue through the first 10 days of the fourth quarter and we expect a tightened regulation of the advertisements and the slowdown of the macroeconomics will prolong. As a result, we expect our advertising income for the full-year will be flattish or slight increase –or slight decrease. As we expect, the restrictions on the specific industry on advertisements and the slowdown of the macroeconomics will prolong, we are unable to provide a 2019 outlook due to too many uncertainties.

Frank Chen

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Shuang and Betty. Very helpful.

Shuang Liu

Analyst

Thank you, Frank.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Binbin Ding from JPMorgan. Please ask your question. Binbin has removed the request. We will continue on with the next question. And your next question comes from Li Chuck from First Shanghai securities. Please ask your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · the next question. And your next question comes from Li Chuck from First Shanghai securities. Please ask your question.

Hello, management, [indiscernible] from First Shanghai Security. I have one question. During the third quarter, your webpage has been published by the office of the Central Cyberspace Commission and it stopped operating for around a month or suspended business. So are you the only one punished? And how do you see the ecosystem of Internet-use websites? Thank you.

Shuang Liu

Analyst · the next question. And your next question comes from Li Chuck from First Shanghai securities. Please ask your question.

Hi. Thank you. This is Shuang. The recent suspension was the most severe penalty that we have received in our company’s development. However, we’re not the only one singled out for this penalty. Early this year, many popular live streaming and media ATPs were actually taken down. We’re one of the several Internet companies to have received suspension notices. These suspensions are part of the sweeping regulatory campaign to clean up Internet content. Our users understand the regulatory challenges we are facing and have conveyed their loyalty and support towards our brand through their uninterrupted usage of our product. Our operating later has recovered better than we had expected. More strict regulations we’re seeing our projection of the media industry trend, because we are one of the most influential news media outlet in China, we take the responsibility to cooperate with the government and to stay compliant with regulations. I think, we will continue to strengthen our Internet content review process. We’ll be more prudent in our news coverage of current affairs. We also firmly believe that more regulatory oversight will foster healthy development for the entire media industry. This will also benefit professional content providers like us in the long run. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Binbin Ding from JPMorgan. Please ask your question.

Binbin Ding

Analyst

Thanks, management, for taking my question. Apologies, I was cut off just now. My first question is regarding your video and contest strategy. So can management elaborate your video strategy, especially after the appointment of Liu Chun to oversee our video business. And you mentioned Mr. Liu’s focus will be on the development of short video content. So how does our short video initiative differentiate from other platforms? And what kind of synergies shall we expect from our origin news content and short video content? My second question is housekeeping question on your top advertising categories and their revenue contribution. I understood you’re not able to provide a very detailed outlook to 2019 outlook, but can we share some initial feedback from advertisers while we negotiate with them on the annual contract for 2019? Thank you.

Shuang Liu

Analyst

Hi, this is Shuang, let me answer your questions regarding video. We believe that video will be one of the essential trends of online content. Phoenix New Media has a strong brand influence. We have a competitive advantage in the categories of cultural content and Internet programs. We have chosen not to break into the video market through in-house produced TV drama or variety shows. Instead, we have found out our own reach. We pioneered new programming formats through the combination of culture, interviews, core discipline, and reality shows. It’s a new format. It’s different from the current popular – other popular forms. Our pan-culture and pan-entertainment concept is in sync with the broader industry trends. It also appeals to the younger demographic. Specifically, this kind of modeling also has been proven by our – the latest show, [Foreign Language]. While we remain prudent in our cost control, we’ll differentiate ourselves through our ideas, creativity, understanding of consumers and ability to grasp the current political situation. Liu Chun was appointed as our Senior Vice President, actually signifies our commitment to the video content. He brings on board not only his own expertise, but also a team of veterans to improve our production, distribution and monetization of video content. As to short form video – short video, there’s two fronts we’re going to focus. One is the Phoenix TV content library. Phoenix TV in the 20 years has produced many popular talk show, documentary and celebrity interviews. So it’s a – it’s good money for us to leverage. But in the past, we haven’t done a good job in packaging it. We make it a tailor-made product to target our middle-class users. That’s something we’re going to improve and catch up. The second area is short form video covering international affairs, especially the culture, travel, lifestyle rating areas. Phoenix TV has more than 50 stations overseas, has a big team of professional reporters. So – but as you know, the TV primetime is quite limited. So there’s a huge opportunity for us to leverage this professional team to strengthen our coverage of international affairs, especially on the, call it, tourist destinations, like Paris, like Milan, like Rome, London, Tokyo, all these places we have branch office there. We have journalists there. So they will help us to cover the breaking news and also the high-profile exhibition, fashion show and local culture events. This will further diversify our content offering by strengthening our user stickiness. So that these are two fronts. We’re going to strengthen in a going – going forward short form video business.

Betty Yip Ho

Analyst

Hi, Binbin, let me tell you – let me answer your second question. Our top five advertising categories are being auto, food and beverage, e-commerce, Internet services and financial services. Among all, our auto category has been always – among all has always been the biggest category out of all these five categories. And it has been – always been our top categories for the past quarters. And for the food and beverage, mainly this quarter is coming from wine industry, as compared to before it may also coming from food and beverages. But this quarter, particularly in this category, our wine business has been doing very well. In terms of 2019, we believe the macro condition has just started and it will continue to the next year. We are seeing cutting of – cutting budgets from our advertisers and with the intensified competitions, we believe it will be very challenging in 2019. So, as I said, I – we aren’t able to quantify a number now because of – there are too many uncertainties.

Binbin Ding

Analyst

Understood. That’s very helpful. Thank you.

Shuang Liu

Analyst

Thank you, Binbin.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from [indiscernible] Security. Please ask your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hello. Thanks for taking my question.

Shuang Liu

Analyst

Hi.

Betty Yip Ho

Analyst

Hi.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Would you like give us more information about Yidian. How many users and how many that the browser channel contributed? And the second one is, should we expect the same challenging situation for Yidian for the next year? Thank you.

Betty Yip Ho

Analyst

Hi. Let me take the first cut and then Shuang can supplement if I miss anything. Yidian has over 70 million users as of this month. And actually, its revenue guidance has remained unchanged. Last year, it was about RMB1.5 billion in terms of revenue and this year we are still expecting it to be doubled and is on the right track. And your second question regarding Yidian was?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I mean, the guidance for the next year for Yidian?

Betty Yip Ho

Analyst

Oh, we haven’t provided any guidance at this point yet. But this year’s revenue guidance is to be doubled as of last year at about RMB3 billion revenue.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Betty Yip Ho

Analyst

Thank you.

Shuang Liu

Analyst

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I’d now like to hand the conference back to the management for closing remarks.

Qing Liu

Analyst

Thank you, operator. We have come to the end of our Q&A session and our conference call. Please feel free to contact us if you have any further questions. Thank you for joining us on this call. Have a good day.

Shuang Liu

Analyst

Thank you.

Betty Yip Ho

Analyst

Thank you. Bye.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.