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Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Tue, Oct 24, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the CIT’s Third Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Allison, and I will be your operator today. At this time, all participants will be in listen-only mode. There will be question-and-answer session later in the call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Barbara Callahan, Head of Investor Relations. Please proceed, ma’am.

Barbara Callahan

Analyst

Great, thank you, Allison. Good morning, and welcome to CIT’s third quarter 2017 earnings conference call. Our call today will be hosted by Ellen Alemany, Chairwoman and CEO; and John Fawcett, our CFO. After Ellen and John’s prepared remarks, we will have a question-and-answer session. Also, joining us for the Q&A discussion is our Chief Risk Officer, Rob Rowe. As a courtesy to others on the call, we ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up and then return to the call queue, if you have additional questions. We will do our best to answer as many questions as possible in the time we have this morning. Elements of this call are forward-looking in nature and may involve risks, uncertainties and contingencies that may cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. Any forward-looking statements relate only to the time and date of this call. We disclaim any duty to update these statements based on new information, future events or otherwise. For information about risk factors relating to the business, please refer to our 2016 Form 10-K. Any references to non-GAAP financial measures are meant to provide meaningful insights and are reconciled with GAAP in our press release. Also, as part of the call this morning, we will be referencing a presentation that is available in the Investor Relations section of our website at www.cit.com. I’ll turn the call over to Ellen Alemany now. Thank you.

Ellen Alemany

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Thank you, Barbara. Welcome and thank you for joining the call. Let me start-off with an overview of our results for the quarter. We posted $220 million of net income or $1.61 per share. Excluding noteworthy items, we recorded $139 million of income from continuing operations or $1.02 per share. Both measures are up year-over-year and results were primarily driven by lower operating expenses and lower credit provision, which was partially offset by lower net finance revenue. Overall, the quarter provided evidence of continued progress on the strategic plan across a number of fronts. But like others in the industry, we did experience challenges with prepayments and loan growth, which affected our Commercial Finance business in particular. That said, we saw pockets of growth year-over-year in our Business Capital and Real Estate Finance units. Our strategic plan which is outlined on Slide 2 continues to be our roadmap for the transformation and I want to highlight a few important advances this quarter. Our operating expenses declined about 9% from a year ago, as we continue to simplify the organization. We reduced unsecured debt by another $800 million, which will improve funding costs. We completed the ASR and repurchased approximately $120 million of incremental common stock. We grew average investments by $800 million. Credit remains strong and we continued to improve our mix of deposits in particular at the Direct Bank. In addition to these efforts, earlier this month, we addressed another key legacy issues for the company, in reaching an agreement to sell the financial freedom reverse mortgage servicing business, as well as the portfolio of reverse mortgage loans. This transaction is expected to close in the second quarter of next year and we’ll allow us to ultimately exit this business. While the sale of the reverse mortgage loan portfolio…

John Fawcett

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Good morning, everyone, and thank you Ellen. Turning to our results on Page 3 of the presentation, GAAP net income for the quarter was $220 million or $1.61 per common share. Net income from continuing operations was $223 million or $1.64 per common share. On Page 4, you will see the financial results continued to be impacted by a number of noteworthy items, primarily related to our strategic transformation, most of which working in continuing operations this quarter. Noteworthy items included a $140 million benefit to the tax provision, resulting from strategic tax planning actions taking during the quarter to restructure an international legal entity. These actions generated capital tax losses and offset taxable gains from the Commercial Air sale and other activities, preserving approximately $400 million of our net operating loss carried-forward to offset future taxable income. The actions resulted in an increase to our deferred tax asset of $140 million an increased to disallowed deferred tax asset and regulatory capital by approximately $70 million. And updated slide describing the impact to our deferred tax asset from the sale of Commercial Air in the current quarter actions is on page 26 in the appendix of our earnings presentation. We continue to be opportunistic in reducing our funding costs. At the end of the quarter, we incurred an after tax charge of $33 million, as we tendered for $800 million of unsecured debt, utilizing excess liquidity at the holding company. In addition, earlier this month, we reached definitive agreement to sell financial freedom, our reverse mortgage servicing business and other reverse mortgage assets. The transaction includes mortgage servicing rights, related servicing assets and liabilities, as well as reverse mortgage loans and related secured borrowings or reported in discontinued operations. The transaction also includes approximately $900 million of reverse mortgage loans…

Ellen Alemany

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Thanks, John. To wrap up, we are pleased with the progress on the strategic plan and are dedicated to consistent execution on our five priorities. We remain committed to the 10% ROTCE target. However, given the pace of loan growth in certain areas and the divestiture of the reverse mortgage portfolio, we may experience some headwinds in achieving this target in 2018. There are many facets to the plan, and we feel confident with the ability to achieve our $150 million cost-reduction goal next year. In addition, we’re focused on optimizing our capital structure within the regulatory framework, improving our funding cost, growing our investment portfolio, remaining disciplined on risk management and maximizing the potential of our businesses. We are currently in the annual planning process and expect to share additional guidance on 2018 during our next earnings call in the first quarter. With that, let me turn it back to the operator for Q&A.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from Ken Zerbe with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Ken Zerbe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Great, thanks. Good morning. I guess just to start off, in terms of the operating lease yields, still coming down quite a bit. Do you guys see any kind of stability in the near future? Where could that bottom out? Just trying to see if there’s any stability there. Thanks.

John Fawcett

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Yes. Ken, its John. So it’s really a function of the cars that are actually coming off lease. We expect that we’re going to see a little bit more of a headwind going into 2018 because there’s a fair number of tank cars that are coming off lease. So if you don’t see any kind of move in the oil or more opportunity in the fields, you’d expect that to come down. I think we’re looking probably into 2019 before we see a more fulsome bottom. I think while the tank cars remain a particular challenge, I think as you go to some of the other cars, the more common cars, box cars, flat cars, auto tracks. That seems to have stabilized already. But the preponderance of the headwinds are, I think, going to be continued to be driven by what we’re seeing in tanks.

Ken Zerbe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Got it, okay. That helps. And then just on the expense line, it came in a little bit better than what we were looking for. I’m glad you’re still committed to the $150 million. But it seems like some of the reduction, some of the improvement this quarter is driven by sort of core items, right, like FDIC insurance costs. Is that a fair statement? Because I guess I was under the impression that some – a little bit more the expense reductions coming from the volatile items or – I’m just wondering, like, this – how sustainable some of those core expense numbers are as it gets driven down? Am I thinking about that the right way?

John Fawcett

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

I guess, yes and no. I mean – and the reality is that I’ve taken a very fresh look at this. I’m pretty comfortable with the $150 million. I think this becomes an area of continuous improvement. I don’t know that you ever get to the right place, and you just have to keep pushing. I think the plan that Ellen laid out back in March of 2016 articulated all the right levers, the bulk. If you look at our expenses, it’s pretty much like a bank. You got 50% of your cost are tied up in people cost. And so if you want to improve significantly, take people out of the process. There’s another 12% that’s tied up in hope’s technology and data, and that becomes an enabler to take people out. And so it’s necessary to make some investments that will depreciate over time to allow that to happen. But I think third big lever is around the notion of consultants, which I think there are a lot of them around here, and I think we’re making a concerted effort to build, retain institutional knowledge within the company and push the consultants out of the place. So there’s still a lot to do, but we are literally looking at every single line. I know this a little bit in the weeds, but in the past quarter, we took a look at a comprehensive review of our travel and expense policy, and that’s going to get rolled out in the current quarter. And again, its little things, but they will have a way of adding up. In terms of the arithmetic going forward, I know we’re committed to that 10 50, and there’s a bit of extra maybe stranded cost. So if you want to do easy arithmetic and want to get 10 40, you’d be targeting it about 2 60 a quarter going into 2018. We’re $268 million right now, so that feels pretty achievable to me.

Ellen Alemany

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Yes. Ken, this is Ellen. Just a couple more comments on expenses. So the FDIC insurance decline is really due to the lower assessment base and also just other factors that go into calculation because the credit improvements, we have lower criticized and classified portfolios and also improvements in our core earnings in Tier 1 affected this ratio. So we think that those changes are sustainable. We also – there’s so much with expenses you can squeeze, squeeze, squeeze and take out. But we’re really looking at really making fundamental structural changes to get expenses out. And I think we’re making good progress there. And headcount stands 6%. We just put in a new capacity-management program so that we could drive more efficiency with staffing levels. We’re starting to leverage robotics and artificial intelligence. We’re also rationalizing a lot of our technology applications, still working on real estate footprint. But I also want to note that even though our target is the 10 50, we’re still investing in our infrastructure, primarily risk and – risk infrastructure, growth initiatives. And so there’s going to be variabilities in that expense line going forward.

Ken Zerbe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

All right, great. I appreciate it, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Moshe Orenbuch of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Moshe Orenbuch

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead

Great, thanks. You did a pretty comprehensive job going through the kind of onetime notable items, but could you talk a little bit about the areas in which there’s going to be future impacts kind of to net finance revenue and when that happens like, for example, the NACCO suspended depreciation and the reverse mortgage assets? Like when do those come out? And is that part of what’s in your fourth quarter guidance or not? And so maybe kind of address that.

John Fawcett

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead

Yes. So – I mean, interestingly enough, I think we modeled NACCO to actually close on November 1. The anti-trust is not something we anticipated. Now we’re expecting it to close, call it, middle of the first quarter. I think we’d be happily surprised if it happens sooner. I think we’ll maintain the suspended depreciation until it’s actually closing. And so you can expect a full $8 million benefit in the fourth quarter and then whatever the partial benefit is in the first quarter, subject to the closing. I think the Financial Freedom, we are still pretty close to actually signing the contract. I think, we expect that that’ll close sometime in the second quarter, hopefully at the early end of the second quarter. Obviously, the big headwind is the $800 million what we characterize as a G3 portfolio, and that’s worth about $20 million a quarter. So if you are modeling this, I would say halfway through the middle of the second quarter and on out, so you lose 10.5 second quarter, another 20 20 in three and four.

Moshe Orenbuch

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead

Right. But none of that’s kind of contemplated in the margin guidance that you’ve got for the fourth quarter?

John Fawcett

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead

No.

Moshe Orenbuch

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead

Got it. Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Owen Lau of Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Owen Lau

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please go ahead

Thank you, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I’m just wondering how much more cash can you move to investment securities? Because when I look at your balance sheet, you have $3.1 billion in your third quarter, down $2 billion. And you’re still maintaining at around $5.7 billion in investment securities portfolio. I’m just wondering how much more cash you can deploy maybe due high-yielding investment securities or pay down debt?

John Fawcett

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please go ahead

I think on a steady-state basis, we’d like to get to about 5% of average earning assets in terms of where cash is. I think if you look at other regional banks, regional banks have high-quality investment portfolios in the 18% to 20% range. I think over time, we’d aspire to get there. I think we have a lot of choices, different choices that we can make in terms of our excess liquidity. I think you saw one of them executed in the third quarter this year, where we kind of retire, across three debt stacks, 5.4% paper. So it’s not a straight line. I think we’re opportunistic in terms of when we’re going to deploy cash, where we’re going to deploy cash. I think given where tens have moved around, buying at 2 30 seems okay. But buying at 2 10 seems less okay. So I think it’s an exercise that we spend a lot of time looking at in terms of how to properly deploy the cash between investment portfolio and opportunistically restructuring debt.

Owen Lau

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please go ahead

Yes, thank you. That’s very helpful. Just one follow-up. High-level strategy question related to your middle market lending franchise and the railcar leasing franchise. And actually based on my math, the differential between the long yield adjusted for credit cost and the rental income yield came down from 5.5% in 2015 to around 2.3% this year. And given where we are in the interest rate cycle, where we are in the credit cycle and where we are in the railcar leasing cycle and also the excess capital you have, those are two very good business. But looking into like over the next two to three years, how would you position CIT and allocate your resources between these two good franchises? Thank you.

Ellen Alemany

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please go ahead

So this is Ellen, Owen. I would – I mean, just commenting, I mean, our core franchises in the future are our North American Rail business, our Business Capital, Commercial Finance and Real Estate Finance business and then Direct Capital. And we have hurdles set up for all of those businesses, and I would say that the growth is primarily going to be in those businesses going forward. I think the one business that we’re experiencing weakness in right now is the Commercial Finance business. And really, that’s a function of the aggressive structures, covenant light, record leverage in these deals now, and we’re really trying to stay disciplined. Although that being said, we have a pretty good pipeline in the business, and I think it’s going to really depend on conversion rates and prepayment levels in the fourth quarter there. Business Capital, we’re seeing a lot of strength right now in franchise, industrial, office imaging, material handling. We’re investing a lot. I’ve mentioned earlier, we added over 20 front-office people. Those are good return businesses, and we expect good growth in Business Capital going forward. Even our Capital Equipment Finance business was one of our stars for the quarter, where smaller businesses were making a large Capital Equipment purchases. And then Direct Capital, our fintech business where we’re processing transactions literally under 30 minutes. We’re seeing good demand from small businesses for Equipment Leasing in that space. So we’re going to just keep investing in these core businesses going forward. And as John spoke about with Rail earlier, I think we’re going to have softness in Rail and throughout 2018. And it’s really going to depend on growth in the industrial and manufacturing sectors for Rail to really make a turn, but we’re still making good returns on that business.

John Fawcett

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please go ahead

And the only thing I would add to on the Rail because, obviously, we get a lot of questions on the Rail franchise and I’m still relatively new here, but I took the time to actually go back and look at the kind of returns that this business has generated going back all the way down to 2012 and 2013. And this is a very long-cycle business, but when it’s at the top of its game, it’s quite an important franchise, and it’s a quite a good returning franchise. And I think, given the management team, given the quality of the cars, given the newness of the cars, given the mix and diversified nature of the portfolio, I think it’s well worth it to weather the storm to get through this cycle and see what’s on the other side of it.

Owen Lau

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please go ahead

Thank you. That’s very helpful.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Arren Cyganovich of Citi. Please go ahead.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Thanks. If you could talk a little bit about – you mentioned the headwinds you’re seeing in the Commercial Finance business, but you’re also hiring a decent amount of folks in various verticals. Maybe just talk about your expectations for origination trends as you’re adding some new folks and kind of combating the pressures you’re seeing on the Commercial Finance business.

Ellen Alemany

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Sure. I mean, our – we’re – one, it’s – congratulations on your new role, by the way, Arren.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Ellen Alemany

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

I would say that we’ve organized our business around our industry verticals. We think that, that’s our biggest competitive advantage. So the teams that we’re adding are really in material handling, construction equipment, industrial equipment. We just put on a new air team that will specialize in midrange aircraft. So we’re really growing in the areas where we think we’ll have the biggest growth in assets. And we’re also adding to our syndication capability, where we can play in larger transactions. And so that’s where the growth will be going forward.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

I think last quarter, you indicated that you’d expected the year-end to grow around in the low single digits for average loan and leases. Has that changed since you had a higher loan growth prepayments again in the third quarter?

Rob Rowe

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

So, Arren, this is Rob. Yes, we did expect that. And as you can see, over the last year, Business Capital and Real Estate has had pretty good growth. Commercial Finance has not had that quite the same level of growth. The pipeline, as Ellen said, is pretty strong in Commercial Finance, but we’ve all been around the block a little bit, the markets are pretty frothy and there’s fairly loose structures out there, and so we will be prudent. So we don’t give too much of a caveat because we do see a pretty good pipeline. But this is just – we’re already a month into the fourth quarter. So you should expect growth in most of the business, but Commercial Finance is still building its pipeline.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Thanks. I appreciate that it’s always better to [indiscernible] for the sake of it, so we appreciate that. The last question I have is just on the tax rate. For the third quarter, the adjusted tax rate was around 20%, and I think you’re guiding towards kind of mid-30s longer term. I suppose – that looks like it added around $0.09 or so to the quarter. Why not – why is that not considered a more of a one-off from a tax perspective?

John Fawcett

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

It’s essentially – it was essentially a year-to-date true-up in terms of the mix between international and domestic income. And I think as we’ve messaged, we don’t expect to stay in this ZIP Code, and we’ll probably get more to a 33%, 35% rate in the fourth quarter.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Got it. Okay, thank you.

John Fawcett

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

You’re welcome.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question will come from James Fotheringham of Bank of Montreal. Please go ahead.

James Fotheringham

Analyst · Bank of Montreal. Please go ahead

Thank you. Thanks for all the details regarding the current and expected impact from the Financial Freedom transaction. I was wondering, what do you anticipate will be the impact on purchase accounting accretion specifically and the PAA growth from the sale of the $900 million reverse mortgages in the second quarter of next year?

John Fawcett

Analyst · Bank of Montreal. Please go ahead

I don’t know that I have the specifics on that. What I would say is that in terms of remaining purchase accounting accretion, it is probably seven or eight. Let’s call it 7 50, 7 70 on the balance sheet. The vast majority of it in Consumer. The pace of runoff is probably 10% to 15% a year. On the Commercial side, it’s got a much shorter life. It’s probably $150 million or so of remaining purchase accounting accretion. And we expect that half of that will be gone over the course of the next 12 months. On the Financial Freedom, it’s – I guess it’s something you can probably follow up with IR after call, and we’ll get you that information.

James Fotheringham

Analyst · Bank of Montreal. Please go ahead

If you look at Legacy Consumer Mortgage at about 60% of PAA and $900 million being about 20% of that 60%. Is it 12% hit to PAA a reasonable assumption? I know it’s a lot more complicated than that, I just don’t have access to the information to do a more refined analysis.

John Fawcett

Analyst · Bank of Montreal. Please go ahead

Yes, it is more complicated than that. It’s probably something better taken offline with Barb and the IR guys.

James Fotheringham

Analyst · Bank of Montreal. Please go ahead

All right. If I can squeeze in one related question then. Was there any impact on the PAA this past quarter from the announced sale of the reverse mortgages?

John Fawcett

Analyst · Bank of Montreal. Please go ahead

No.

James Fotheringham

Analyst · Bank of Montreal. Please go ahead

Thanks so much.

John Fawcett

Analyst · Bank of Montreal. Please go ahead

You’re welcome.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this will conclude our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

Barbara Callahan

Analyst

Great. Thank you, everyone, for joining this morning. If you have any follow-up questions, please feel free to contact me or any member of the Investor Relations team. You can find our contact information along with other information on CIT in the Investor Relations section of our website at www.cit.com. Thank you, again, for your time this morning, and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

That concludes today’s call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect your lines.