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First Citizens BancShares, Inc. (FCNCA)

Q1 2017 Earnings Call· Wed, Apr 26, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to CIT's First Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Anita, and I will be your operator today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be question-and-answer session later in the call. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Barbara Callahan, Head of Investor Relations. Please proceed, ma'am.

Barbara A. Callahan - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Great, thank you, Anita. Good morning, and welcome to CIT's first quarter 2017 earnings conference call. Our call today will be hosted by Ellen Alemany, Chairwoman and CEO; and Carol Hayles, our CFO. After Ellen and Carol's prepared remarks, we will have a question-and-answer session. Also, joining us for the Q&A discussion is our Chief Risk Officer, Rob Rowe. As a courtesy to others on the call, we ask that you limit yourself to one question and a follow-up and then return to the call queue, if you have additional questions. We will do our best to answer as many questions as possible in the time we have this morning. Elements of this call are forward-looking in nature and may involve risks, uncertainties and contingencies that may cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. Any forward-looking statements relate only to the time and date of this call. We disclaim any duty to update these statements based on new information, future events or otherwise. For information about risk factors relating to the business, please refer to our 2016 Form 10-K. Any references to non-GAAP financial measures are meant to provide meaningful insights and are reconciled with GAAP in our press release. Also, as part of the call this morning, we will be referencing a presentation that is available in the Investor Relations section of our website at www.cit.com. Now, I'll turn the call over to Ellen Alemany.

Ellen Rose Alemany - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Barbara. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call. I'm pleased to report that we are off to a solid start for 2017. First, let me touch on the significant progress that was made on our strategic plan. We completed the sale of the Commercial Air business for $10.4 billion, and we immediately put those proceeds to work by initiating $5.8 billion in liability management actions. These efforts support the bank model we have been building, and when reflecting these actions, approximately 85% of our assets will be in the bank and nearly 80% of our funding will be deposits. Our organization simplification plans continued to gain traction, and we have achieved about 40% of the expense goal thus far, up from about 33% at year-end. We remain on track to reduce operating expenses by $150 million in 2018. We submitted our capital plan which is subject to the CCAR quantitative assessment in the second quarter, and this is our first time going through that process. Like other banks our size, we will also be going through a horizontal capital review in the third quarter, which covers the qualitative aspects of our plan. As a reminder, we already have approval to return about $3 billion in capital to shareholders, and we expect to provide detail on the plan to return this capital in the coming days. Turning to performance in the quarter, we posted net income of $180 million and income excluding noteworthy items of $163 million. Our operating trends were stable, and we remain focused on our strategic plan and improving returns. The Commercial Finance business is nearing the completion of its strategic repositioning and has been laying the groundwork to take more lead positions and deals, and create opportunities with clients to do more…

Carol Hayles - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Ellen, and good morning, everyone. Turning to our results on slide 3, net income in the first quarter was $180 million, which consisted of income from continuing operations of $78 million and $102 million from discontinued operations. Our Commercial and Consumer Banking segments each reported stable operating results, and there were a few noteworthy items related to our strategic initiatives that impacted other segments, as well as discontinued operations. Turning to slide 5, excluding noteworthy items, income from continuing operations was $109 million or $0.54 per share. The improvement from $57 million adjusted earnings in the year-ago quarter was predominantly the result of lower credit costs, as we built reserves related to the energy and maritime sectors last year, and, to a lesser extent, a reduction in operating expenses. Return on assets, excluding noteworthy items, was 94 basis points, up from the year-ago quarter, reflecting the improvement in income and lower asset levels. Turning to slide 7, Financing and Leasing assets increased slightly over the prior quarter, primarily driven by an increase in factoring receivables, which partially offset by lower assets in Commercial Finance and continued run-off in Legacy Consumer Mortgages and Non-Strategic Portfolio. Turning to slide 8, net finance margin remained elevated – sorry, net finance margin remained relatively steady at 3.57%, which was slightly above our target range. There was a decline in purchase accounting accretion this quarter after several quarters of elevated levels due to prepayments. However, this reduction was offset by lower interest expense, mostly related to the paydown of higher cost debt, including the Canadian TRS. Net finance margin, excluding the effects of purchase accounting accretion, increased 15 basis points from the prior quarter to 3.1%. The remaining accretable mark is $1.1 billion, of which $150 million relates to the Commercial businesses and…

Ellen Rose Alemany - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Carol. To sum it up, we're pleased with the progress thus far in our plan, and we have our sights set on continued momentum. We remain focused on continuing to grow our core operations in Commercial Banking and broadening our relationships with existing clients across the specialty verticals to deliver more products and services; leveraging our digital platforms in Consumer Banking and small-business lending, which are scalable, on transit with how customers want to interact ; addressing the remaining strategic opportunities to simplify the company, such as the goal of exiting the Financial Freedom reserve mortgage servicing business; continuing to make progress on our expense targets; reducing our funding costs and growing our deposits with greater efficiency; maintaining strong capital and risk management processes; and, returning capital to shareholders. I know there may be questions around our capital actions. We expect to share those plans in the coming days once we are past the blackout period. We will not be answering questions with respect to the capital return on this call. Before I turn it back to Barbara, I want to extend my thanks to Carol and all she has helped us to accomplish during this transformational period. As we had previously said, Carol will be departing CIT in early May, at which point John Fawcett will assume the role of CFO. Carol has been a true driving force at CIT for the last 7 years. And on behalf of the entire team, I want to say thank you. With that, let me turn it back to Barbara for Q&A.

Barbara A. Callahan - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Great. Thanks, Ellen. And actually, I'll turn it back over to Anita to start the Q&A session.

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Our first question comes from Mark DeVries with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Mark C. DeVries - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

Yeah, thank you. I just wanted to ask about kind of what's implied in your – the timing of the target of – for 2018 of the 10% ROE on slide 16? Because, by our calculation, just using the $3 billion to $3.3 billion of capital returns you're going to do, related to the leasing sale, it would appear to get to the 10% to 11% CET1 target, you need to have an incremental $1 billion to $1.3 billion of capital returns. I think you indicated that you're only going to do about 100% payout for the next CCAR year. So, can you just talk about what that implies in the back half of 2018 in terms of incremental capital returns and/or asset growth?

Carol Hayles - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah, I'll take that, Mark. It's Carol. I think, really, what we're saying is that we're deferring the rightsizing of the capital stack, as you pointed out, to the second half of 2018. It wasn't part of this period's request for a variety of reasons. We are a first-time quantitative filer. And taking that into consideration, and experience of other first-time filers, the board decided that that was the prudent approach. So, it's the back half of 2018 that we would look to rightsize the capital stack.

Mark C. DeVries - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

Okay. And does that number sound ballpark that it would take, absent robust loan growth, somewhere between an incremental $1 billion to $1.3 billion to get to that ratio in the back half of 2018?

Carol Hayles - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Based on the information today, that's kind of in the range.

Mark C. DeVries - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Arren Cyganovich with D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead. Arren Cyganovich - D.A. Davidson & Co.: Thanks. I guess in terms of following up on that question, 10% ROTCE, you can also achieve that from looking at other asset purchases or other M&A type of portfolio purchases. What – are you at all considering that aspect of achieving you're rightsizing capital, or are you purely focused on capital return?

Ellen Rose Alemany - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Hi Arren, this is Ellen, I'll take that question. We are actively looking at four portfolio purchase opportunities in the franchise. I would say that our strategy to get to the 10% return on tangible common equity really has five components to it. One is, we're looking at opportunities to grow, optimize and cross-sell all of our businesses in the company, which will include opportunities for portfolio purchases. Secondly, it's through the expense reduction, which we said on the call, we think we're about 40% there through the expense reduction. The third would be really returning the excess capital subject to regulatory approvals. The fourth is around reducing our funding costs through really growing and reducing the costs of our deposits, repaying debt. And then, lastly, additional revenue from our investment book. So, that's kind of simply our plan. And any one of these combinations is going to get us there. Arren Cyganovich - D.A. Davidson & Co.: Got it. That's helpful. Thank you. And in terms of the expense savings target of $150 million, I believe there was a $25 million that was related to Air. Will that drop off immediately after this quarter? And then also, I guess maybe just the overall expected pace of decline in expenses. And I guess, sorry to add too many questions, but the press release indicated additional investment or the timing of investments. So, it sounded though almost as though the expenses were a bit lower than expected in 1Q 2017 as well.

Ellen Rose Alemany - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah. So, when we – so, this is Ellen, again. When we initially set our expense targets, we had said early last year that we would take out roughly $130 million from the discontinued businesses and then $125 million from the core businesses. After the Air transaction, we had really $25 million left in the stranded costs that we moved then on top of the $125 million to make it a $150 million target. And on the $150 million target, we're 40% of the way there. We had some additional investments for CCAR. And what we – in the first quarter, we had some technology spend that we didn't spend in the first quarter, so we just wanted a signal that we may be spending more on technology later on in the year.

Carol Hayles - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

I think with respect to that question on Air, those costs actually will run off over the year, the next year or so. We do have a transition services agreement, so certain of the people and the platforms, everything we need to retain to be able to maintain the work there. Arren Cyganovich - D.A. Davidson & Co.: Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Moshe Orenbuch with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Moshe Ari Orenbuch - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: Great. I just wanted to get a little clarity on the outlook for net finance income kind of as we go forward. I mean you had the benefit in Rail this quarter that helped offset the lower yields. But you've got that lower yield and then you've got the purchase accounting, and then at the same time, you're doing things to optimize liability costs. And excluding what you had mentioned as a one-time impact in Q2, how do you see the trend over the next couple of quarters in net finance income?

Carol Hayles - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

So, as you indicate, there are several factors that are influencing our net finance margin. As I talked about, we have the purchase accounting accretions, which is running off, and to try to give you a bit of color about the timing of that this quarter. And we have the headwinds in Rail on the yields there. But the benefits of the yield curve and LIBOR and ongoing benefits from the deposit cost mix, I think, will offset that. And then we have the range that we've put out there, and we still expect to be within above that high end of that range, but we're still expecting the near-term to be towards the high-end of the range. Moshe Ari Orenbuch - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: Okay. All right. Just as a little bit kind of a follow-up. Just any – kind of any thoughts on the factoring business in Retail, you'd mentioned single accounts. I mean are there issues that could drive other accounts in there? Or is there something that you're kind of confident? How should we think about that?

Robert C. Rowe - CIT Group, Inc.

Analyst · Credit Suisse

So, Moshe, its Rob. There's always a few accounts in the Retail space that we're working. And as you know, this is 60-day to 90-day paper, so either we're trying to work it down at a substandard exposure or we're getting some form of protection. In this particular case, we have been working it down. We just didn't get all the way down. There are always a few accounts though, so I don't want to ever say never again because there are a few accounts in the Retail space that we're actively watching and actively managing. Moshe Ari Orenbuch - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: Thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ken Zerbe with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Ken Zerbe - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Great, thanks. Actually, I just want to dive a little deeper in terms of the loan yields on slide 8. It looks – if I'm reading this right, it looks like it was down about 22 basis points sequentially. And I get that lower PAA, which hit at like, I guess, 15 (29:45) and lower prepays, but it still doesn't, I guess, quite explain the full drop. And I am just thinking, and also comparing it to other banks where we've seen a fair bit of margin expansion. I'm just trying to reconcile the two. Thanks.

Carol Hayles - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Yes, so. Sorry, I'm just looking at the page that you're talking about, Ken. I guess it's down 20 basis points sequentially. And as we've said, a significant amount of that is the purchase accounting accretion, and there was a prepayment benefit on top of that last quarter. So, underneath that, we've got the benefits coming in from our investment securities portfolios and LIBOR, but there is a bit of a shift in mix as well. I think I'm going to actually ask you to spend a bit of time with the IR team because there are some prepayments in the prior quarter. So, there's quite a few ups and downs, and I think it will be easier if you could just speak to IR after the call. Ken Zerbe - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Not a problem at all. Maybe a separate question, just in terms of the Rail yields, is there anything that you guys can do to help stem the tide of a downward pressure there? And I guess, very broadly speaking, like how committed are you guys to maintain your presence in Rail over the long-term?

Carol Hayles - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

I'll take the first and then I'll let Ellen answer the second. So, I think the key thing we've been focused on with Rail is maintaining utilization. We're seeing some of the – some of the car types come back and demand, the specialty tank cars, there's quite a bit of overcapacity, so that's going to continue to pressure rates. The key thing is to keep the cars moving so you don't add to the issue by incurring storage costs and other things like that. And I think that is something the team has been very good at, and it is something they're going to have to continue to work.

Ellen Rose Alemany - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Ken, one, I just wanted to welcome you, by the way. Ken Zerbe - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Thank you.

Ellen Rose Alemany - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

But in terms of Rail, we are still very committed to our Rail business. We're at a point now where 40% of assets are in the bank. We have a relatively young fleet. We have really deep customer relationships and excellent customer service. And we have a really experienced management team that has been doing a great job navigating this cycle. Unlike Air, the order book doesn't attract a significant amount of regulatory capital. And also, there is the unique detail situation here where a sale would reduce regulatory capital. That being said though, we did say last year that our primary goal here is to reduce the concentration of Rail assets, and we are committed, we're still continuing to explore alternatives to help us reduce our exposure to Rail assets.

Robert C. Rowe - CIT Group, Inc.

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

And Ken, it's Rob. The other thing, it is a cyclical business, as you know, and what do you in that situation is you tend to go shorter on the leases, right? So, the energy related assets, we would go a little bit shorter because we're starting to see the rig count pick up. And as that picks up, that will help the sand cars. And then, to the extent oil prices, as we have discussed before, if they can get to $60 a barrel, then the Bakken will still start having growth in its production and that will start the process of the tank cars being more in demand. So, you go shorter in this situation than you would do typically. Ken Zerbe - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: All right. Great. I appreciate it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Eric Wasserstrom with Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead.

Eric Wasserstrom - Guggenheim Securities LLC

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead

Thanks very much. I just want to maybe follow on to some of the questions that have been asked, just thinking about the earnings power from the go-forward business mix. So, in the period, it was about $109 million. And given some of the – so, I'm just trying to understand the puts and takes. It sounds like, on the upside, it's going to be the benefits from the cost base, and – although, it looks like the go-forward tax rate might be a little bit higher. But as I look at the 2018 consensus, that number looks to run about around $120 million to $125 million on a run-rate basis quarterly. And I just want to get the sense from you of whether that bridge from the current level to that run-rate level is a reasonable one?

Carol Hayles - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Yes. I think that that's pretty consistent with what the walk (34:37) said last year, and I think we still think that's a reasonable track. You're right. The majority of our improvement that we said before was coming from the operating expense target, there are revenue initiatives, as Ellen described, kind of across the franchise. But, I think otherwise it's still a fairly consistent story.

Eric Wasserstrom - Guggenheim Securities LLC

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead

Okay, great, thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Ho with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

David Ho - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Hi, good morning. I just want to talk about the asset growth trajectory. I know you highlighted kind of a mid-single-digit on a core basis. Just want to see – gauge kind of your timing on when you can return to that growth and just an update on the pipeline and kind of what you're seeing in the market on core Commercial?

Ellen Rose Alemany - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Sure, David. This is Ellen. I mean, we really had kind of a lackluster quarter in Commercial Banking for the first quarter, but I do believe that we are kind of through our strategic repositioning over the past year, where we reduced our leverage lending book. We've reduced some of our energy exposure. We are really focused around the growth in really seven core industry groups in Commercial Banking. The focus now is really on leading deals as opposed to participating in deals. We're focused on risk-adjusted returns, and we're focused on selling other products to our customers. We've made tremendous progress getting deposits from our Commercial customers. It's up about 34% from first quarter last year. And we are also through rationalizing kind of the OneWest and CIT sales forces against this customer base. So, we are optimistic about the second half of the year in Commercial Banking. In terms of Business Capital, I think this is one of our largest opportunities. There's been a lot of disruption in the marketplace. If you think about EverBank, DLL, Wells, GE, Element, this has all been opportunity for us. And our business is kind of focused around five industry groups: office imaging, technology, healthcare, industrial and franchise. And we have some real key differentiators in this market, especially technology. We're only one of two companies that has API integration, accounts payable integration, from application entry to funding. So, if you think about a vendor coming in for a vendor program, it's completely automated from the time they submit that sales application until we fund it. We are continuing to invest in Direct Capital, which is our digital platform for small business lending. We're known in the market to have good industry coverage, expertise, speed, reliability of service. We're focused on building new dealers. And just this last quarter, we signed three new vendor programs, and we're also now cross-selling our customer base, which we didn't before. I mean, just this last quarter, we had one customer that was originated – a deal that was originated in the capital Equipment Finance group that was actually a supply chain finance group that was referred over to the Commercial Services group, which would have never happened before in this company. So, we feel we have – it's still early days, but we still have some good momentum. And then, in Consumer Banking, we've now put strict targets in place for goals around portfolio purchases of mortgages, so we didn't do any purchases in the first quarter. And but our direct mortgage origination, and we have been building our sales force, direct mortgage originations around the branches, we had a good quarter.

David Ho - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Great, that is helpful. And as a follow-up, the core deposit growth in the Retail business, I know non-interest-bearing, has been pretty strong on the corporate side. But on the core Retail bank, you've been kind of rationalizing that and authorizing that, how much competition are you seeing? And what's your confidence in kind of stating how competition as rates rise given your limited products set in that group?

Ellen Rose Alemany - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Sure. One is – I just want to preface this by saying that changing – reducing the costs on deposits, et cetera, it's kind of like turning a chef. But we have a really – we have risk strategy in place, which is really we want to be a customer's other primary bank. So – which means we want to be their secondary bank. And we are competing on convenience, service and pricing. We also gave the Consumer Banking group some marketing dollars, so they are investing. We ran two promotions in the quarter. We ran a high sub promotion that was really successful with the direct bankers this quarter. We are putting in – we've already put in the technology to improve the pricing models in the business. And I would say that we're just really remaining disciplined here, but we are showing a good progress in deposits.

David Ho - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris York of JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Chris J. York - JMP Securities LLC

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

Good morning. Most of my questions have been asked. But I'm curious whether the Boston Consulting Group review is now complete. And if so, what specific suggestions or recommendations that you think you make to improve revenue optimization?

Ellen Rose Alemany - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Sure. I would – so the Boston consulting work is complete. And as I have said in the last couple of quarters that we were using Boston Consulting Group for opportunities to grow, optimize and cross-sell a lot of their recommendations. We're focused around the revenue base. I talked about some of those initiatives earlier when I talked about the Commercial Banking business and Business Capital business. Boston Consulting Group was also helpful for us in implementing some of the expense initiatives as well in terms of – especially on the human capital front. And we've made good progress reducing our sales force and compensation expenses by about 5% from the first quarter of last year.

Chris J. York - JMP Securities LLC

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

Okay. That's it from me. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Vincent Caintic with Stephens. Please go ahead.

Vincent Caintic - Stephens, Inc.

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Hi, thanks very much. Good morning. I guess I'll avoid the question on the share buybacks. But maybe I'll – if I could ask just maybe a broader question, it's more like a state of a union question. But the stock price has been flat for the past several quarters and really for the past several years. And that's after you've taken actions to right size the business. You've seen – you've executed on the aircraft leasing sale, you've got this $3 billion plus excess capital on the balance sheet, and then we've also seen banks rally in the past six months in stock prices, as well as some M&A, above 1.5 times book, and your stock is trading at 0.9 times book. I'm just wondering what you think it would takes and what you plan to do to maximize shareholder value and drive the shares higher. Thanks.

Ellen Rose Alemany - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Sure. Thanks. Thanks for that question, Vincent. I think we're making tremendous progress against the strategic plan we set out a year ago. The team is really executing. We're delivering on every single aspect of the plan. We have the full support of our board to continue executing the plan. And I would say that, as long as we show progress, we're really optimistic about our ability to meet our return hurdles and, ultimately, exceed them. So, that's the current status.

Vincent Caintic - Stephens, Inc.

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Got it. And maybe just one quick follow-up. You mentioned a couple of the operational improvements that you're making, and some of them, maybe the best-in-class technology that you have, for example, that vendor APIs. Is there anything else that you're working on, on the operational side that would be return enhancing?

Ellen Rose Alemany - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Sure. I mean if you think about the expense program we laid out, a lot of the – there's a big piece component of that. It's just still centralizing our operations where we may have five or six centers, where we collect cash around the U.S. or whatever, centralizing it to one. So, there's a whole series of operational efficiencies and process reengineering efforts that we're going through to achieve our plan.

Vincent Caintic - Stephens, Inc.

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Okay, great. Thank you.

Ellen Rose Alemany - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

At this time, there are no further questions. I would like to turn your conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

Barbara A. Callahan - CIT Group, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Anita. And thank you, everyone, for joining us this morning. If you have any follow-up questions, please feel free to contact me or any member of the Investor Relations team. You can find our contact information, along with other information on CIT, in the Investor Relations section of our website at www.cit.com. Thanks, again, for your time this morning and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.