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Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Tue, Jan 31, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to CIT’s Fourth Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Keith and I will be your operator today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Barbara Callahan, Head of Investor Relations. Please proceed, ma’am.

Barbara Callahan

Analyst

Thank you, Keith. Good morning and welcome to CIT’s fourth quarter 2016 earnings conference call. Our call today will be hosted by Ellen Alemany, Chairwoman and CEO and Carol Hayles, our CFO. After Ellen and Carol’s prepared remarks, we will have a question-and-answer session. Also, joining us for the Q&A discussion is our Chief Risk Officer, Rob Rowe. As a courtesy to others on the call, we ask that you limit yourself to one question and a follow-up and then return to the call queue, if you have additional questions. We will do our best to answer as many questions as possible in the time that we have this morning. Elements of this call are forward-looking in nature and may involve risks, uncertainties and contingencies that may cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. Any forward-looking statements relate only to the time and date of this call. We disclaim any duty to update these statements based on new information, future events or otherwise. For information about risk factors relating to the business, please refer to our 2015 Form 10-K. Any references to non-GAAP financial measures are meant to provide meaningful insights and are reconciled with GAAP in our press release. Also, as part of the call this morning, we will be referencing a presentation that is available in the Investor Relations section of our website at www.cit.com. Now, I will turn the call over to Ellen Alemany.

Ellen Alemany

Analyst · D.A. Davidson

Thank you, Barbara. Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining the call. 2016 was certainly a pivotal year for CIT. We established the strategic direction for the company and launched a 3-year plan to drive shareholder value. We made substantial progress in the first year and clearly we have more work yet to do. First, let me start with the progress. We have focused on positioning our core business for growth and enhanced profitability by targeting more strategic relationships in our specialty verticals and offering those clients a broader set of products and services and that the foundation of this business model is our stable and growing base of deposits. We made the decision to divest businesses that were not strategic to our go-forward plan and most notably reached an agreement to sell Commercial Air business for $10 billion and return up to $3.3 billion of capital to shareholders. We integrated OneWest Bank and have been addressing the legacy issues that were, frankly, more challenging than originally expected. We have been driving more efficiency in our funding profile by terminating the Canadian total return swap and growing lower cost deposits. As of year end, deposits comprised nearly 70% of our total funding and the weighted average deposit coupon decreased 7 basis points from the prior year. We have maintained strong risk management and further reduced our risk profile by selling certain loans in the Commercial Finance business. Capital levels were solid and we plan to return capital to shareholders following the sale of Commercial Air. And lastly, we have made a number of changes to the management team to ensure we have the leadership and expertise to deliver for our clients, customers and shareholders. Many of the efforts we embarked on in 2016 were transformational and designed to strengthen…

Carol Hayles

Analyst · D.A. Davidson

Thank you, Ellen and good morning everyone. I want to first remind you that we changed our segments this quarter, a summary of which is on Slide 28. As a result, all my remarks refer to the new segmentation. Turning to our results which are on Slide 4, the fourth quarter net loss of just under $1.16 billion consisted of a loss from continuing operations of $424 million and a $731 million loss from discontinued operations. Included in the loss are certain noteworthy items that net to a charge of $1.35 billion. Absent which, income would have been $196 million or $0.97 per share. While the reported loss is significant, our regulatory capital ratios increased slightly as many of the items that drove the loss were non-cash and did not impact regulatory capital. Our preliminary common equity Tier 1 ratio increased by 10 basis points from the prior quarter to 13.8%. Excluding the items noted, fourth quarter income from continuing operations was $120 million or $0.59 per share reflecting underlying stable operating performance. Before I turn to the business update, let me elaborate on some of the items on Slide 4 that aggregates to a net charge of $544 million in continuing operations. We made a lot of progress on our strategic initiatives and other matters. We completed the sale of our equipment and corporate finance businesses in Canada, which generated an after-tax gain of $16 million. As a result of the sale and other factors, we concluded we would no longer assert indefinite reinvestment of earnings in Canada, resulting in a charge of $54 million to income taxes. As noted earlier, we terminated the Canadian TRS resulting in an after-tax charge of $146 million. We re-mediated or significantly advanced several legacy OneWest Bank matters. We recorded a $16 million…

Ellen Alemany

Analyst · D.A. Davidson

Thanks Carol. To wrap up, 2016 was a significant year and progress did not necessarily come in a straight line, but the groundwork is laid and improvements were achieved. As we head into 2017, our focus is on successfully completing the divestiture, most notably, the Commercial Air transaction and returning capital to shareholders, continuing to grow our core operations in specialty lending, broadening our relationships with existing clients and leveraging our digital platforms in consumer banking and small business lending, continuing to make progress on our expense targets, reducing our funding costs through deposit growth and other liability management strategies, and maintaining strong capital and risk management processes. We are committed to delivering on our plan and driving shareholder value. We believe in the strength of our businesses our unique market position to serve middle-market and small business clients and we believe there are meaningful opportunities ahead. So with that, let me open it for Q&A.

Operator

Operator

Yes, thank you. [Operator Instructions] And today’s first question comes from Arren Cyganovich with D.A. Davidson.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst · D.A. Davidson

Thanks. Looking at your 2017 outlook and your post separation of air 2018 targets, you still have a 10% ROATCE, do you have an update in terms of what the capital – expected capital level is that’s supporting that 10%?

Carol Hayles

Analyst · D.A. Davidson

Yes, good morning Arren. This is Carol. We are going through the capital plan process as we speak and haven’t changed our longer term target, but I think going through the process this year, the quantitative process this year for the first time, will inform the pace of capital return post the Commercial Air distribution. So, I think that’s something we need to work through in the next couple of months. And the target, we haven’t changed those.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst · D.A. Davidson

Okay, thanks. And then in terms of the goodwill charge in the consumer bank side, can you speak a little bit to or drill down into what specifics you were looking that were somewhat impaired and how that changes your outlook for the consumer banking segment going forward?

Carol Hayles

Analyst · D.A. Davidson

Yes. So as I said, the $663 million was determined at the time the acquisition closed based on a price that was determined the year before that, so 2.5 years ago. Rolling forward to today, as we went through the process this year end which is fairly prescriptive and we looked at the forecast and some of the higher cost associated with being a regulatory SIFI bank and the fact that data used, the assumptions used were September 30, the forecast was lower than previously expected. And when you go through the mechanics of the process and calculated the impairment, the $300 million was the outcome of that work.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst · D.A. Davidson

Were there any particular areas of the consumer business, different types of assets or I was just trying to get a better understanding of what necessarily changed besides the regulatory assets?

Ellen Alemany

Analyst · D.A. Davidson

Yes. So I think it’s just a function of time. The consumer business really is the legacy consumer mortgages and the jumbo loan and the deposit base. We have allocated more capital to the business this year. Over time, we are approaching the timing of the expiry of the loss share in 2019, so building capital over time. So, it’s really just the passage of time in that respect that caused that increase. We haven’t changed the composition really of what we are doing in consumer banking from a business perspective.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst · D.A. Davidson

Okay, thank you.

Ellen Alemany

Analyst · D.A. Davidson

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And the next question comes from Moshe Orenbuch with Credit Suisse.

Moshe Orenbuch

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Great. Could you maybe just go through the steps that we are likely to see from the outside in terms of the air business from here until closing like what sort of things should we be – milestones should we be looking at?

Ellen Alemany

Analyst · Credit Suisse

I think that while we have already achieved several key milestones towards closing the transaction, but I think one of the key remaining milestones includes the receipt of the Chinese regulatory approvals as well as the Bohai shareholder approval, which requires clearance of a shareholder notice in China. Both we and Avolon are continuing to work towards the first quarter closing and Avolon has advised us that they are working towards completing these milestones by the end of the first quarter. So I would – it’s the Chinese and Bohai regulatory approvals that are the next key milestones.

Moshe Orenbuch

Analyst · Credit Suisse

And when those are received kind of may be what happens next, what’s the timeframe from there?

Ellen Alemany

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Yes. Then I think we should be closing, right?

Carol Hayles

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Certainly, shortly thereafter, those are the kind of the last key things to be completed.

Moshe Orenbuch

Analyst · Credit Suisse

Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And the next question comes from Mark DeVries of Barclays.

Mark DeVries

Analyst · Barclays

Yes. Thank you. If I look at the remaining impacts from the sale of Commercial Air of about $125 million, it seems to imply pro forma tangible book of around $45 million prior to capital returns, I understand you are going to get back to us with details around capital returns once the sale closes, but just hoping you could give us some color on your appetite for buying stock at a premium to tangible book here as we expect you might need to do, if you wanted to do it, on some type of an accelerated basis?

Carol Hayles

Analyst · Barclays

Yes. Good morning Mark, we will go through that process with our Board as you would imagine in advance of making any decisions on the form and timing of capital return and we will announce when that – what we are doing when that process is complete. It will be little premature for us to be talking about that right now.

Mark DeVries

Analyst · Barclays

Okay, fair enough. If I can just ask a follow-up then, it’s interesting, it doesn’t sound like there has been much of a change in your expectation for kind of lease renewals rates in rail and also kind of the impact on margin, given what we have seen in terms of higher oil prices, at what point, if oil price continue to rise, would you expect to see some kind of relief on those trends?

Rob Rowe

Analyst · Barclays

Well, when you think about the rail business, the energy related cars are shipping crude and they are also shipping sand. So what we are looking for is the rig count to rise and as it has been doing recently, but it needs to rise at a pace that it’s been doing most recently and has to do that probably another year or so. At that point in time, we would expect that the sand deliveries would be back to their peak that they were in 2014 and that would mean the renewal rates at that point in time for the sand cars would be pretty reasonable and they would not be dropping like they are at this point. The crude cars is based on North American production of oil, but we are very sensitive to the Bakken. As you know, the Bakken was shipping East and West and the Bakken is taking a little bit longer than the Permian to rebound. I would say oil prices need to move up from $55, probably need to get in the $60 for the Bakken to start producing again the way it once was.

Mark DeVries

Analyst · Barclays

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And the next question comes from Chris Kotowski with Oppenheimer & Company.

Chris Kotowski

Analyst · Oppenheimer & Company

Yes. I also just wanted to kind of nail down the triangulation between the October 6 presentation, the famous Page 5 in that presentation, I guess – and then Page 16 that you have here and I mean I guess the only real change what you are saying is in terms of the net impact is that given the earnings accretion since mid-year, we are starting with $10.0 billion in tangible common as opposed to $9.8 billion, but that the other – the rest of the exhibit would look the same?

Carol Hayles

Analyst · Oppenheimer & Company

Yes, exactly, the economics of the transaction and we thought it was important to put this clearly on the Page 4, you haven’t change. The timing of certain of the items – recognition of certain of the items changed, but in aggregate, the bottom line impact is no different.

Chris Kotowski

Analyst · Oppenheimer & Company

And assuming it closes in the first quarter, what – is there any reason to think any of the charges would drag beyond 1Q or will we – starting in 2Q, should we get kind of what the clean company looks like going forward without all the charges?

Ellen Alemany

Analyst · Oppenheimer & Company

That’s very fair question. So if this closes say the end – let’s just use the end of the first quarter, for example, liability management and capital distribution would occur in the second quarter. So costs associated with those actions and the impact of those actions wouldn’t get reflected until they were completed. And of course there will be certain things that we can and can’t do during blackout, there will be timing there, so I think it’s really the third quarter and just that scenario is kind of the third quarter. I will say that most of these items will be reflected in discontinued operations, although the liability management charges will be in continuing operations. So it will be very discreet. We will make sure that it’s clear what the impact is when it happens. So I think for the most part, continuing operations going forward, is going to reflect the results of the underlying business.

Chris Kotowski

Analyst · Oppenheimer & Company

Okay, alright, that’s it from me. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And the next question comes from David Ho with Deutsche Bank.

David Ho

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Hi. Good morning. Given some of the rhetoric around lower corporate taxes and the timing of which was obviously unknown, but how does that impact your views on DTA and indirectly on the potential strategic actions on the railcar business?

Ellen Alemany

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Well, I think it’s a little early to be thinking about the impact of the tax rate. Of course, should the rates come down post Air will be in a net DTL position and would expect any reduction in rate to have benefit to our bottom line, but both assets and liabilities will price down together. So net-net, depending upon the rate, I don’t know that it will change our conclusion very much. But obviously we will take a look at all of that as we get more information.

David Ho

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Alright. And then separately, the BCG consulting review, any update there?

Ellen Alemany

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

No, just this is Ellen. When going back to the taxes though I mean we may get – we may have a positive impact more so than other banks, because after we complete the Air transaction, we will be a full taxpayer. So we may benefit slightly more if there is any change in the corporate tax rate. And then in terms of the BCG work that’s being done, as we previously mentioned, they have been doing some work in terms of revenue optimization. I would say that it would really just be a refinement to our plan. There are no really major changes to the strategic plan.

David Ho

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Got it. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And the next question comes from Vincent Caintic with Stephens.

Vincent Caintic

Analyst · Stephens

Hey, thanks. Good morning guys. And actually, I just wanted to touch on the rail portfolio again and may be a two-part question here, just when you think about the rail portfolio and organic growth there, you provided a good slide on the appendix about your upcoming orders, I am just wondering how – in this environment, how much you would want to grow the portfolio, if you are adding anymore to your order book for railcars. And then the second part of the question is on the portfolio side and perhaps opposite may be selling pieces of the portfolio, I think we have seen some recent transactions with some other banks buying railcar books above book value, so I think PNC bought a book for 1.6x book and we got Sumitomo buying for over 2x book, the American railcar leasing business, so just wondering how you think about, on one hand, the growth aspect, on the other hand, maybe monetizing some of the assets irrespective of the taxes? Thanks.

Carol Hayles

Analyst · Stephens

Yes. This is Carol. The order book remaining in rail is just over $200 million now, down for over $1 billion a year ago. And I don’t think we wouldn’t be thinking about adding to that in the near-term. I think we are comfortable with the level of the assets, but wouldn’t want to be growing that in the near-term. We as of course seeing the transactions that happen in the market, Sumitomo transaction looked well priced, but we don’t have all the details behind the rational or the thinking there. And we talked a lot about our rail business our view on that business hasn’t changed at that time.

Vincent Caintic

Analyst · Stephens

Okay, understood. Thank you.

Carol Hayles

Analyst · Stephens

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And the next question comes from Chris Brendler with Stifel.

Chris Brendler

Analyst · Stifel

Hi. Thanks. Good morning. Just stepping back a bit, just can you – just comment on the core continuing ops business, it looks like volume was down this quarter, as far as I can tell and I have sort of been wondering given what’s happening from a macro standpoint and U.S. economy, are we seeing any signs of life from loan demand, how do you feel about your position from a competitive standpoint, can you grow this balance sheet in 2017?

Ellen Alemany

Analyst · Stifel

Sure, this is Ellen. We feel very good about the core business and we have been really focusing our commercial lending businesses around our specialty lending franchises, leading with our industry verticals and selling more products to those industry verticals and also focusing on risk adjusted returns. We have seen good volumes in direct capital, which is our direct lending business and we have seen good volumes in business capital. And as I said, with our specialty lending verticals, we have been focusing on risk adjusted returns. So we feel good about the core and we are going to continue to just work on focusing on that.

Rob Rowe

Analyst · Stifel

And then Chris, this is Rob. I will also remind you that 5 years ago, we decided to build the buy-side floating rate loan leverage book, right, because we had excess capital. And that was not necessarily core to our strategy but it was core to deploying some excess capital. Now, as we are leading more and more deals in the middle market, which is our core strategy in leveraged lending, we are letting that buy side book runoff. So there is a fair amount of activity in that marketplace as pricing of the deals has re-priced down and so in the third and fourth quarter, we have a lot of those deals go away, so that impacts the volume numbers as well, more so than actually the quarter-over-quarter assets.

Chris Brendler

Analyst · Stifel

That’s very helpful. Just can you size that book at all for us and then an unrelated or I mean partially related question, I think I ask this every quarter, but another weak quarter in the factoring business, how core is that business to your long-term strategy and are there any prospects for turnaround? Thanks so much.

Rob Rowe

Analyst · Stifel

So I will jump in before the other, the factoring question. So that portfolio is down to about $0.5 billion at this point in time.

Carol Hayles

Analyst · Stifel

Yes. I will take the factoring business, because a little bit some of the comments that I made. In actual fact, the volume both sequentially and year-over-year was up and was gaining traction with customers and everything. But the commissions were down reflecting the competitive pressure and another factor quite frankly, there is the credit. In this kind of credit environment, the commissions are typically part of what you get paid for taking credit risk. And in this environment, people don’t need to do that. So there is a confluence of events here. We think the volume is picking up as you can see and I am feeling good about some of the underlying trends in the business.

Chris Brendler

Analyst · Stifel

Okay, great. Thanks so much.

Rob Rowe

Analyst · Stifel

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And as that was the last question, I would like to return the call to management for any closing comments.

Barbara Callahan

Analyst

Great. Well, thank you, everyone for joining us this morning. If you have any follow-up questions, please feel free to contact me or any member of the Investor Relations team. You can find our contact information, along with other information on CIT in the Investor Relations section of our website at www.cit.com. Thank you again for your time, and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. That concludes today’s call. Thank you for participating.