FTI Consulting, Inc. (FCN) Q2 2019 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Welcome to the FTI Consulting Second Quarter of 2019 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mollie Hawkes, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Good morning. Welcome to the FTI Consulting conference call to discuss the company's second quarter of 2019 earnings results as reported this morning. Management will begin with formal remarks after which they will take your questions. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that this conference call may include forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21 of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 that involve risks and uncertainties. Forward-looking statements include statements concerning plans, objectives, goals, strategies, future events, future revenues, future results and performance, expectations, plans or intentions relating to financial performance, acquisitions, share repurchases business trends and other information or other matters that are not historical, including statements regarding estimates of our future financial results and other matters. For discussion of risks and other factors that may cause actual results or events to differ from those contemplated by forward-looking statements, investors should review the Safe Harbor statement in the earnings press release issued this morning, a copy of which is available on our website at www.fticonsulting.com as well as other disclosures under the heading of Risk Factors and Forward-Looking Information in our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2018 and in our other filings with the SEC. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements, which speaks only as of the date of this earnings call and will not be updated. During the call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, such as total segment operating income, adjusted EBITDA, total adjusted segment EBITDA, adjusted earnings per diluted share, adjusted net income, adjusted EBITDA margin and free cash flow. For discussion of these and other non-GAAP financial measures, as well as our reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures, investors should review the press release and the accompanying financial tables that we issued this morning, which include these reconciliations. Lastly, there are two items that have been posted to Investor Relations section of our website this morning for your reference. These include a quarterly earnings presentation and an Excel and PDF of our historical financial and operating data, which have been updated to include our second quarter of 2019 results. Of note, during today’s prepared remarks, management will not speak directly to the quarterly earnings presentation posted to the Investor Relations section of our website. To ensure disclosures are consistent, these slides provide the same details as they have historically and, as I said, are available on the Investor Relations section of our website. With these formalities out of the way, I am joined today by Steven Gunby, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Ajay Sabherwal, our Chief Financial Officer. At this time, I will turn the call over to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Steve Gunby.

Thank you, Mollie. Good morning to everyone and thank you all for joining us. As I’m sure many of you saw in our press release this morning, this quarter’s financial results were extraordinary. Once again, combined with exceptional first quarter we have had a remarkable start to 2019, a record-breaking start to 2019. The second quarter revenue has increased 18% year-over-year and that's 18% compared to what was already a strong second quarter performance last year with all of that 18% growth organic. That revenue growth translated not surprisingly into an unprecedented level of earnings for the company with GAAP EPS of $1.69 and adjusted EPS of $1.73. Pause a second to let those numbers sink in because I still find them remarkable. But let me also underscore as I do almost every time, I'm on the call, that quarterly results in our industry and for our company are imperfect measures. In any quarter results can be substantially affected either negatively or positively by short-term factors. And in this quarter, we benefited substantially from some short-term factors, such as a near record level of success fees, a lower level of tax rate, and among some other items that Ajay will go through in more detail shortly. So let me stress here. As always, one can never take one of our quarters and multiply it by four. But it is possible to get a true sense of the strength of this company by looking beyond quarters. First one can look at the longer term financial trends and second more important, one can dive below the financial trends to see what's actually happening at the company. The assignments, we're winning, the investments we're making, the number of promotions of great people that were able to do, the level of lateral hires made, et cetera. To me, what's more powerful, more powerful than even these extraordinary quarterly results, is that when I do either of these things, either look at the longer term financial trends, or look at what's going on in this company, qualitatively, I get at least at least as excited and impressed as financial types do when they see the quarterly results. So let me take a minute to give you a flavor of that. In terms of the longer term financial results, if you look at the last four to five years, you see a lot of zigs and zags, as we talked about in quarterly results, and I believe that is how we will always be. But through the zigs and zags, you see a powerful underlying trend, a long term trend that is solidly up. As I think most of you know, 2018 was a first year ever in the history of this company that we delivered four consecutive years of adjusted EPS growth. And if you get anywhere -- we get anywhere in the guidance range for 2019 this will be yet another year. We can, and I believe, should ignore the zigs and zags of quarterly earnings. But the long term trajectory does in fact, reflect the strength, the power, the durability of the moves, our people are making and creating a more robust, relevant and durable institution. And as powerful as looking at the long-term financial trends is, even more powerful to me is to look at why, to dive below the financials to say what's driving this? Where are we building this enterprise? How are we building this enterprise? So let me take a couple of passes at that question. In the U.S. restructuring business, for example, we're not growing because the market is lifting all boats. But because we've been able to support great professionals as they develop into better versions of themselves and support those professionals with talented junior staff, they can mentor. And use those successes and the winning feel that it creates in our business to attract from the outside leading professionals into that already great team. Similarly, in London, we're growing not because the market is moving, but because we've invested actually over many years behind a great initial team, used that team to attract and develop talent to have allowed us to take what was once a number 5 position and restructuring to a number 4, number 3, and now perhaps the leading position in London. More recently, we've been able to attract Anders AJ [ph] the leading restructuring firm in all of Germany, in part because they were attracted to the terrific teams that we've assembled in New York and London and elsewhere, as well as the culture those teams have created, and to the powerful global positions that they've created that we have in each of those markets. And that's just a restructuring. If you look at business transformation, we've gone aggressively after a natural adjacencies. Leveraging our restructuring oriented heritage, the roll up your sleeves, get the job done heritage, to go after the key parts of the healthy company market that want results oriented mentality, wants the type of capabilities we have. And we are having enormous success. And antitrust for a long time we've had the leading position in the U.S., but rather than sit with that position, our teams have leveraged it to attract further talent domestically, and talents abroad so that now we have a leading team, not just in the U.S., but also in London, on the continent and in many places in Australia, and Asia. In disputes and investigations, we've continued to grow great businesses that we've had for a long period of time like construction solutions. But the teams there are also invested aggressively in key adjacencies like cyber security. I like the cyber security example. It's a great example of the way investments can add to our capabilities but also reinforce and draw on core strengths. The biggest cyber incidents tied to multiple of our leading capabilities, whether it's strengthened investigations, damages estimation, management of regulatory structures, communication with regulatory -- regulators and boards, all of those things get surfaced during the course of a cyber assignment. Cyber is a natural place for us, a natural place of strength for us, and a place that as we've dived in, we've almost immediately started to hit home runs. That's just a smattering of examples, you could also speak out as we have in previous call the investments that have allowed Stratcoms to soar. Or tech to do the major turnaround that team there has driven. There are lots of different stories, lots of powerful, different stories. The results of all of those efforts by our teams is that our company is winning more big jobs than ever. We're creating more value for our clients and more brand value for us, in more places around the world, and in more segments. We are increasingly becoming the firm that is called on when our clients, any place around the world are facing their greatest opportunities and challenge. I know we're dealing with the financial audience here, but I want to stress a second market we cater to that is to me equally as important. And second market that we're having also extraordinary success in, which is our people, we serve our clients, but people businesses like ours also server our people, we're not a company of machines. This company only drives off the energy and drive of talented individuals. If anyone in professional services wants to create a vibrant institution that last doesn't create short term profits and goes away but it lasts and creates lasting shareholder value. You have to do that by building an institution that invests behind great people. I think equally as powerful as the wins in the market has been the progress, we've made it in winning the war for talent. The market for talent is starting to view as FTI has the place to be. And because of that, we've been able to attract people laterally at the senior and mid-level at unprecedented rates, record rates. And we've been able to do that while creating more growth and development opportunities for our people, record levels of promotion internally. It is those measures of success, winning in the marketplace of the client, but also winning in the marketplace of the hearts and minds of dedicated, committed professionals that has me most excited. That's success. All the success, of course, doesn't mean we're not going to have a bad quarter at some point. I believe this industry and we inevitably are going to have some zigs and zags. But we today have leaders who are committed to building our firm, who are encouraging leadership, at multiple levels of our organization, leaders that are supporting the ambition, the drive of lots of people in our organization. We have leaders who are listening to the market and our clients, we have leaders who are willing to make bets in disciplined ways, leaders who are making sure we are doubling down when the bets are working and pulling the plug when they are not. We have leaders who are committed to providing growth and mentorship opportunities for their teams. We have leaders who are willing to invest and even suffer bad quarters if they have to, if it builds the company and the institution and the future, that is the mindset we have across FTI today. To me, it is the culture and the mindset of a great professional services firm. And that is why I believe the success rate of FTI not in every quarter, but over any extended period of time can extend for many more years to come. I am excited, I look forward to it and I very much hope to see all of you on that journey as well. So with that, let me turn this over to Ajay to give you more details on the extraordinary quarter. Ajay?

Thank you, Steve. Good morning, everybody. I will start by summarizing our quarterly results. Then I will review results at the segment level as well as key cash flow and balance sheet items. After that I will discuss guidance for the year. In summary, as Steve said, the second quarter was once again another record quarter. This quarter's year-over-year revenue growth was the highest organic revenue growth we have ever reported. Furthermore, it was broad based with growth in every segment and every region. We also grew billable headcount by 10.6% year-over-year, and have promoted a record number of professionals so far in 2019. Even with this level of headcount growth, utilization remains strong remained strong and our adjusted EBITDA surged increasing 34.3% year-over-year. As Steve mentioned, we did benefit from some significant items such as our outsized success fees in the quarter. At the end of my prepared remarks, I will discuss guidance for the balance of the year, which those strong points to lower second half performance versus our exceptional first half of the year performance. We are extremely pleased with these results, which are a testimonial of our strong client relationships and capabilities globally. Moving on to the details for the quarter, second quarter 2019 revenues of $606.1 million, were up $94 million, or 18.4% compared to revenues of $512.1 million in the prior year quarter. Excluding the estimated negative impact from FX, revenues increased $102.4 million, or 20% compared to the prior year quarter. GAAP EPS were $1.69 in 2Q,’19, compared to earnings per share of $1.14 in 2Q, ’18. Adjusted EPS for the quarter were $1.73 which compared to $1.14 in the prior year quarter. The difference between our GAAP and adjusted EPS reflects $2.1 million of non-cash interest expense related to the company's 2% convertible notes, which decreased GAAP EPS by $0.04. Second quarter 2019 net income of $64.6 million, compared to net income of $43.6 million in the prior year quarter. The year-over-year increase was primarily due to higher operating profits in our corporate finance and restructuring, economic consulting and technology segments. SG&A for 2Q’19 of $129.9 million was 21.4% of revenues. This compares to SG&A $117.9 million, or 23% of revenues in the second quarter of 2018. The dollar increase in SG&A was primarily due to higher compensation, legal expenses and travel and entertainment expenses. Second quarter 2019 adjusted EBITDA of $97.2 million, or 16% of revenues, compared to $72.4 million, or 14.1% of revenues in the prior year quarter. Our effective tax rate for the second quarter of 2019 of 24.8% compared to 24.4% in the second quarter of 2018. Our effective tax rate during the second quarter benefited from $1.9 million in favorable discrete tax items, of which $1.3 million was related to share based compensation with the remaining $600,000 reflecting discrete items related to U.S. tax reform. In the second quarter of 2018, our effective tax rate was favorably impacted by 2.4% discrete tax adjustment related to changes in certain state tax laws. Relative to Q1 of 2019, while revenues increased $54.8 million, adjusted EBITDA increased only $1.1 million. This is largely due to increased compensation resulting from higher variable compensation reflecting our record first half annual pay increases and headcount growth as well as an increase in SG&A expenses. Now, I will share some insights at the segment level. In corporate finance and restructuring record revenues of $190 million increased 34.4% compared to the prior year quarter. The increase in revenues was primarily driven by double digit revenue growth in both our business transformation and transactions and restructuring businesses and higher success fees, which increased $15.4 million compared to the prior year quarter. Adjusted segment EBITDA was $15.5 million or 26.6% of segment revenues, compared to $35.8 million or 25.3% per segment revenues in the prior year quarter. The year-over-year increase in adjusted segment EBITDA was primarily due to higher revenues, which was partially offset by an increase in compensation resulting from higher variable compensation and a 16.1% increase in billable headcount as well as higher SG&A expenses. Turning to FLC, record revenues of $145.9 million increased 9.2% compared to the prior year quarter. The increase in revenues was primarily driven by higher demand for our health Solutions, Construction solutions and dispute services. Adjusted segment EBITDA was $28.2 million, or 19.4% of segment revenues compared to $27.6 million or 20.7% of segment revenues in the prior year quarter. The year-over-year increase in adjusted segment EBITDA was due to higher revenues, which was partially offset by higher compensation principally related to a 13.8% increase in billable headcount and higher SG&A expenses. Our economic consulting segments' record revenues of $155.5 million increased 16.6% compared to the prior year quarter. The increase in revenues was largely due to higher demand for antitrust services in North America and EMEA. Adjusted segment EBITDA was $23.3 million or 15% of segment revenues compared to $15.5 million, or 11.6% of segment revenues in the prior year quarter. The year-over-year increase, in adjusted segment EBITDA was due to higher revenues, coupled with a 10 percentage point improvement in utilization, which was partially offset by an increase in compensation primarily from higher variable compensation. In technology, revenues of $55.6 million increased 19.8% compared to the prior quarter. The increase in revenues was primarily due to higher demand for cross border investigation services, as well as our success with our client-centric software agnostic strategy. Adjusted segment EBITDA was $12.9 million or 23.1% per segment revenues compared to $7.5 million, or 16.2% per segment revenues in the prior year quarter. The increase in adjusted segment EBITDA was due to higher revenues and lower SG&A expenses, primarily from a decline in R&D expense resulting from the September 2018 sale off ringtail software and related businesses, which was partially offset by an increase in compensation related to as needed contractors and a 10.2% increase in billable headcount. Revenues and strategic communication segment of $59.1 million increase 2.8% compared to the prior year quarter. The increase in revenues was primarily due to higher demand for project based corporate reputation services in North America and EMEA. Adjusted segment EBITDA of $10.5 million or 17.7% of segment revenues compared to $11 million, or 19.1% per segment revenues in the prior year quarter. The decrease in adjusted segment EBITDA was due to slightly higher SG&A expenses. Let me now discuss key cash flow and balance sheet items. We generated net cash from operating activities of $47.6 million and free cash flow of $37.1 million in the quarter. During the quarter, we repurchased 579,771 shares of our common stock at an average price per share of $83.34, for a total cost of $48.3 million. As of June 30 of 2019 approximately $102.4 million remained available for stock repurchases under the company's $400 million stock repurchase authorization. Total debt net of cash of $147.1 million at June 30, 2019, compared to $137 million at March 31, and $258.4 million at June 30 of 2018. Turning to our guidance for the year, we now expect 2019 revenues will range between $2.175 billion and $2.25 billion, up from our prior guidance of at least $2.1 billion. 2019 GAAP EPS is now expected to range between $4.88 and $5.38, up from our prior guidance of $3.88. We now expect 2019 adjusted EPS to range between $5 and $5.50, up from our prior guidance of at least $4. The $0.12 per share variance between EPS and adjusted EPS guidance for 2019 includes estimated non-cash interest expense of approximately $0.17 per share related to the company's 2023 convertible notes and the first quarter of 2019, $0.05 per share gain related to the Ringtale divestiture. On our updated guidance for full-year 2019 reflects continued strong performance for the remainder of the year but significantly lower results then our record first half of the year. We expect reversion of success fees and taxes to average levels. In aggregate success fees were $24.3 million across our business in Q2. This compares to our five-year historical quarterly average of $7.5 million for success fees per quarter. Our first and second 2019 effective tax rate of 24.1% and 24.8%, respectively, were lower than expected due to favorable discreet tax adjustments. For the balance of 2019, we expect our effective tax rate to be between 26% and 28%. We're investing in infrastructure, including both improvements to our real estate and IT systems. Despite continued record hiring we have thus far this year maintained strong utilization. This is atypical and may not continue. A slower expected base of work in the summer and in the fourth quarter as our colleagues may take time off for summer vacations and the yearend holidays particularly after such a busy first half. And finally our intake of and success rate in winning business may moderate. Before I close let me reiterate five key things. First growing dislocation globally creates a large market opportunity for us. Second, our balance sheet strength gives us the flexibility to invest aggressively to realize our earnings potential. First and foremost we're focused on organic growth and will add capacity in the right places by attracting top quality talent. Also when we see potential acquisitions that enhance our capabilities or expand our geographic reach, we are able to peruse them in a disciplined manner. Third, organic growth and acquisitions do not preclude our ability to return capital to shareholders. Since we introduced our current share repurchases program on June 22, 2016, we have returned approximately $297.6 million to shareholders through repurchases of 6.79 million of common stock at an average price per share of $43.81. Fourth, our leadership team remains focused on growth with strong staff utilization and success with both has resulted in sharply higher revenues and adjusted EBITDA. And finally this performance has been achieved without a boom in restructuring. With that we will open the call up for your question.

[Operator instructions] Our first question comes from Tobey Sommer with SunTrust. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Wanted to ask a question about your hiring trends, I think it is about 10% up year-over-year and up a couple points sequentially. What is the pace of inbound inquiries, particularly among senior people and how does that compare to your experience in 10 years over the last handful of years? Thanks.

Thanks, Tobey. And good morning. Let me take that, it's Ajay. Look, I guess the colloquial way to say this Tobey is the phone is ringing off the hook in a way that I think is probably unprecedented in the company's history. I think we're benefiting from a couple of things. I think part of it is what we're doing right. I think as we have been starting to clearly win in the marketplace, that's, that's, that's a very attractive phenomenon. And you end up with a lot of people wanting to join the winning team. I think the other thing that's happening is some dislocation in different parts around the world and some of our leading competitors. And the combination of those two are formidable. I think over the last 12 months, roughly, I think it might be 53 lateral higher SMDs, on a base of something like 500. I mean, it's over 10% hires in SMDs laterally. I mean, that's never happened in the history of this company before. And it's not just because we turned on the spigot. You can't just turn on the spigot. You got to turn on the spigot when great people are available. And the combination of some issues with some competitors and just the strength that of what's going on in our company has meant the deluge of phone calls. And it's pretty exciting. Did I did I talk to your question, Tobey?

Yeah, absolutely. Thanks. I did have a question about the profit impact of success fees, I guess it's $16 million, $17 million above your average quarterly rate as you described, Ajay. What sort of flow through impact on EBITDA, does that kind of surplus of success fees trigger in the quarter? Thanks.

So Tobey, I'm not going to tell you. We don't disclose margins on success fees. But even if you apply the average gross margin, you would get a sense for it.

Okay. And when you think of the business geographically, do you have some data in your slide deck, describing growth rates. Could you describe or give a little color about the European growth in market there, which is -- seems very rapid on a decent base. And then, conversely, describe if there are any market-related headwinds in Asia. Thank you.

Thanks, Tobey. Look, I think what most powerful things that are going on today is the fact that we have no businesses that are really drags on our company. One of the things I mean, we've had now businesses growing for the last few years as we made investments that started to come to fruition, but sometimes that can get masked by businesses that are still needing fixes. And you know, we had fixes in different parts of the world. And we had different fixes in different parts of different businesses that were clouding the success. The truth is, today I'm excited about what's going on in every region of this company, and every segment. And you know, as I say, internally, if you could advise your grandmother, and there were stock availability for each segment, then each region you could you could look at your grandmother and suggest that she invest in each part of that. I truly believe that so we have real strength, different places. I think one of the biggest things you didn't mention was that for a while our North American business wasn't growing and our North American businesses is growing a lot right now. But to the two points, Asia is growing. I think it's it I think it probably grew high single digits year-over-year. And we got a lot of growth opportunities in Asia. The issue there is like it is every place has the ability to continue to grow and find talent, and we just have to do that. We had some pretty serious fixes in a couple parts of Asia Pacific in a few years back. I think you remember us talking about Australia. I think that's behind us. But now you have to grow people in order to find additional talent but we have a good business over there. And I think it grew year on year. Pretty, sizably. EMEA is a fabulous story. And by the way, Latin America, we don't talk about it. It's small, but we had some fixes down there. And it's we have I just was visiting down a number of our offices in Latin America. The team we have down there is, I think unprecedented in quality in our history, and it's a terrific team and I'm excited about it. We're subscale in many markets, we got to change that over time. But we have a team that's worth investing in. EMEA the story is extraordinary. That was a move really four or five years ago to commit to growth there. We had talented positions they are we just hadn't fully committed to growth. And we made some leadership changes. We got the local leaders of various segments together. And they put together ambitious plans. And this has been going on now for a number of years. Sometimes it gets obscured because currency can obscure it, and there are zigs and zags. But the growth trend in Europe has been a powerful one for a while now. It's becoming more material as Europe gets bigger. Europe is a $500 million business today. 20% growth on that is a lot bigger than when it was a $250 million business. But it's exciting. And I think the ambition for teams over there is to drive that on a continued way. The other point I'd make about Europe is Europe, we have, we used to think of it as only a UK business. We now have a powerful set of businesses on the Continent as well. But man, the ability to grow the Continent is extraordinary as well as continuing to grow the markets we're in. So I'm excited about Europe. Did I answer your question, Tobey?

You did. And my final question is with respect to M&A and antitrust being a driver. Do you have any visibility into sort of a pipeline of future deals? I can recall historically, periodically, it being referenced that the company's economist gets brought in a head of deals to evaluate them and kind of assess what tradeoffs might need to be given to regulators to push them through. So I'm wondering what sort of forward sense you have for that business?

Look, I think we do have a bit of a forward sense. That happens sometimes. That doesn't actually --- I mean it's a complicated translation of that into whether a deal actually gets consummated. And then whether there's a second request and the government challenges it. So there's no natural -- I've never seen a formula that that you could rely on that says initial conversations translate as in the following mathematical way to revenue. I think it's hard to predict. And that world is different in different parts around the world. I mean the second quarter, the U.S. M&A business continued to boom. It was extraordinary, whereas some places overseas it was much slower. So I think you're right that we have more of an early warning system than many people, but I'm not sure it's a perfect to work early warning system, Tobey. Ajay, did you have something to add that?

Yes. Let me just give you a little bit more color. Our guidance is all encompassing, so I'm not going to get more specific, but I will give you more color. Look, antitrust includes M&A and non-M&A. And in fact are both have grown and non-M&A a little bit faster than M&A. So it's not only related to deals. And clearly yes, of course, it's related prior to the deal being consummated or announced. And of course, this is why we don't talk about the deals per se. But we're doing incredibly well in both North America and EMEA in M&A in non-M&A with growth in both areas.

Thank you very much.

Our next question comes from Marc Riddick with Sidoti and Company. Please go ahead.

Good morning, Marc.

Good morning. I wanted to touch a little bit on economic consulting if we could, because this is another quarter where utilization is continued to from a strong level continued to grow sequentially. I was wonder if you could touch a little bit about that and sort of maybe how you see that playing out, because of all the segments. That's the one area where maybe the year-over-year hiring growth isn't as much as the other segments. And yet, you constantly are doing very well, particularly with very strong utilization. I was wondering if you could touch a little bit on that what you're seeing there and maybe we should -- how we should be thinking about that?

Marc, a little bit, I'm going to be repeating what I just said to Tobey. It's a great outcome. Last year we had a very major deal that we were working on and we were worried about the year-over-year comparisons. This year, we have a multitude of deals, plus it's the non-M&A portion of it and in multiple geographies. And our growth ambitions are great there, hiring ambitions are great there. Utilization is a derivation with excellent business, creating such utilization. So I'm very, very excited about what we're doing.

Okay, great. And then wonder if you touch a little bit on moving over corporate finance for a moment, if you could touch a little bit about the billing rate growth seen just given the strength in the business, but also the pickup in headcount. Usually you think that maybe billing rate would stabilize a bit when you are bringing on new heads. But I just want to get some thoughts around that maybe what you're seeing whether that's a business mix issue or there something else that we should be thinking about. Thanks.

You're actually asking question based on how I was doing my forecast and my guidance as well. When you hire lots and lots of people you initially expect utilization to fall and we haven't been seeing that. Now clearly high utilization goes well for billing rates, there is more to it though, there is also the mix of people. Hiring -- our growth rate is 10.6% year-over-year but SMB growth rate is 15% year-over-year and they are busy to and their rates are higher, as you can imagine. So it's a mix of who's doing the work, who is busy that kind of jobs that you do, it’s a combination of all of those things that results in this bill rate which exceeds our expectations as well.

Okay great and then one last thing, forgive if I missed this in your prepared remarks, Ajay, but I was wondering if you could touch a little bit about what you're expecting from a CapEx perspective, what we should be thinking about whether or not the recent acquisition adds to that or not and if there any change in that?

No, CapEx won't be affected by the acquisition and we have given CapEx guidance I think specific in the 10Q but it's roughly $30 million to $40 million a year.

Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Thank you, Marc.

The next question comes from Tim McHugh with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Good morning, Tim.

Good morning. It's actually Trevor Romeo on for Tim. Thank you for taking my call and great results obviously. Just want to ask overall cost to company, or maybe down to the second level, if you have any examples. So how would you describe the size of projects right now? Are you seeing project size increase across the border or is it sort of a greater number of smaller projects? Maybe it’s a bit of both but just wondering if that's a factor in the growth at all.

Look Trevor, I have to give you a qualitative sense of that. I do think that one business, that [ph] we probably have more of all sorts of projects but I think what does drive our business is a lot of number of large projects. And I think what's going on is that we're winning more of the largest assignments across multiple segments. It's not one job/ Let me be clear, one job and one segment is doing this. It's multiple jobs, but it's not a lot of $1,500 refinement that are adding up here. These are winning the stuff that is on the front page of the Wall Street Journal even if our name isn't identified in it. And these are major assignments where there's a lot at stake for the company. And they are interested in leading professionals and they are willing to pay for it. And so I think we are just -- this business is driven by the number of large jobs we win in. We're winning, I mean we're not only wining in a couple of segments or in one region now, we're winning in multiple places around the world. But I think that’s my view qualitatively probably primarily the number of large jobs across all the segments and world. You disagree, Ajay, or you agree.

Entirely agree, sir.

Good, does that help Trevor?

Yeah, no, that makes sense, definably helpful. Thank you. I guess the second question on the restructuring of the corporate finance and restructuring segment I guess, just with the growth being so strong there can despite as you pointed out, not really seeing a boom in the overall restructuring market. I guess is there just any sort of common thread across your conversations you are having with clients at all. Is there anything that they're looking for, is a kind just a wide variety of needs that you are able to serve for them.

Look I think there is a common thread but actually more internal common thread. Let me give you a sense of that. Look I think in great professional services firm there's a chance to become a little complacent. know I found this when I was BCG, the hardest place to reinvigorate for growth was the Boston office of the Boston consulting group. You know this business had very little effects right, I mean with the leading firm creditor rights. We had a decent company side position, we have other businesses which change over the last few years is we've got now our people with ambition to build those businesses, who are willing to say, yes, we're great but boy we could be better here. Or you are great but this capability can be extended elsewhere. And so we are creating rights but Mike and Carlin attracted couple of people from healthcare credit rights where we want to strong and they fit to ground running, we're great in company side, but we want winning as many of the biggest jobs as we should've because we didn’t have a relationship with a couple law firms and they named that issue and they went after that and change those relationships. We were good in non-restructuring businesses, but we didn’t have an aggressive growth plan. I think at one point we weren't willing to take the risk of hiring laterals and hiring people ahead of demand. And Carlin has said, we can put a plan together. You just have to back me, Steve. And she put a point in together and we backed there and she's having an enormous amount of success and then there are leaders below that level. We now have a whole generation of 40 something who are eager to build businesses who have been given leadership positions in transaction advisory services and other businesses. Who were willing to invest behind, and they are occasionally mistakes and you lose the money on the investment -- most investment you lose money for the first year even as it right? But occasionally mistakes but mostly we had such a great set of positions that we could bet behind. And that was -- most of that description was the US but we had a great position in London and I just needed support to grow it further. And then that in turn attracts interest on the continent. So we ended up with this Anders Group willing to join us and so forth. So I think that’s the breadth of stuff we're doing for clients is the broadest we have ever done. I think we're the only firm that really has a strong company side and creditor side and we have now grown our transaction advisory services, our CFO services, our performance improvement services, and dah and dah. And we've grown our strength around the world. So the breadth of our client engagements is growing. I think the fundamental change they driving ambition of our leaders and the number of ambitious leaders who are in place and that's why that's -- I attribute that at least as much internally as to any market forces. Trevor does that help.

Definitely. That’s all I have for now. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.

Thanks for joining us Trevor and say regards to Tim.

Our next question is a follow-up from Tobey Sommer with SunTrust. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Just a numbers question, Ajay could you give us a sense for what the long-term tax rate outlook should be just for modeling purposes. Thanks.

I think this 26% to 28% is a good one. I can't predict what the tax rates around the world are going to do with the various government et cetera but assuming all that remaining constant then that’s a good number.

Perfect, thank you very much.

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