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Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Mon, Jan 29, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the First Bancorp's Fourth Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. John Pelling, Investor Relations Officer. Please go ahead.

John Pelling

Analyst

Thank you, Brandon. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining First Bancorp's conference call and webcast to discuss the company's financial results for the fourth quarter and fiscal year 2017. Joining me today from First Bancorp are Aurelio Alemán, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Orlando Berges, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin today's call, it is my responsibility to inform you this call may involve certain forward-looking statements such as projections of revenue, earnings and capital structure as well as statements on the plans and objectives of the company's business. The company's actual results could differ materially from the forward-looking statements made due to the important factors described in the company's latest SEC filings. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during the call. If anyone does not already have a copy of the webcast presentation or press release issued by First Bancorp, you can access them at our website firstbankpr.com. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to our CEO, Aurelio Alemán. Aurelio? Aurelio Alemán: Thank you, John. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss our fourth quarter and fiscal year 2017 results. Before I begin with the highlights of the quarter, I want to touch on the situation in Puerto Rico following the impact here on the hurricanes in September. So please, let's move to Slide 5. We're pleased to say that recoveries from the hurricanes continues its path. As you can see in this chart, on Slide 5, most services have returned close or above 90% of service level with the exception of electricity. We all know the electrical grid remains the largest obstacle for the recovery. As reported, we're now at 82% of generation in Puerto Rico which translate…

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. For the fourth quarter, as Aurelio mentioned, we posted a net income of $24.2 million or $0.11 a share. That compares to a net loss of $10.8 million or $0.05 a share for the third quarter. This quarter results include charges of $4.8 million to the provision for loan losses. Similar to a $66.5 million recorded on the third quarter related to the estimated interim losses that may result from the impact of Hurricanes Maria and Irma in Puerto Rico and the VI regions. On a non-GAAP basis, we adjust results to exclude the storm-related charges and other items that management -- we, as management, believe are not reflective of what is a core operating performance for the institution. The adjusted net income for the fourth quarter would have been approximately $28.1 million compared to $27.4 million last quarter. You can see the detailed calculation on the earnings release, which has all the components. The provision for the quarter it's down $49.3 million, it's $25.7 million provision down $49 million from the $75 million recorded last quarter. During this quarter, we have continued our detailed monitoring of the hurricane impact on our commercial customers and ended up adding that incremental provision of $4.8 million, as I mentioned, to the $66 million taken in the third quarter for the impact of the storm. As part of this process, we have also moved some loans to nonperforming based on the reviews and changed the classification of other loans based on the adverse effects the operations had. So far, we have analyzed in detail 81% of the commercial portfolios, and including all the large relationships that we have in the institution. If we exclude this storm-related charges, the adjusted provision for the quarter was $20.9 million which compares to $8.5…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Brett Rabatin with Piper Jaffray.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

I wanted to first just ask, just from a macro perspective, I was curious to hear you guys thoughts on the FAFAA and PREPA plans that were announced late last week. Can you give us any color on how you feel about those two things being announced? Aurelio Alemán: Well, we're glad we have material to work now with, updated material. To be honest, we have not concluded, we're still digesting and getting more information. There's 90 pages of -- it's really an executive summary of the plan, so there's a lot of moving parts there that we're trying to understand. To be honest, we're more focused on what's going on in the day-to-day than what we're seeing in the plan today. But definitely, in a couple of weeks, probably as we continue to visit investors and -- we'll have more information. But at this stage, we don't have a lot more to -- what you guys will receive as public, and we are in the process of understanding. There's other pieces of projects that we should all be aware that are in discussion or I mentioned in the press like a tax reform in Puerto Rico to mitigate some of the impact of the U.S. tax reform in terms of Puerto Rico as being competitive or not. So all those are important moving parts that we continue to reassess, we cannot conclude on any comments right now.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay. And then just wanted to get some additional color, if possible. You mentioned early in the call some positive trends on payments. And I think a big concern is post the payment moratorium that you might have an uptick in delinquencies or in [payee] [ph] information. You talked about it quite a bit. Can you give us a little more color, maybe, on just what you're expecting in the first quarter in terms of what you think might be inflows or give us maybe some magnitude of what you expect from the portfolio post the moratorium? Aurelio Alemán: Well, I can comment on the behavior that we are monitoring from the customers. Obviously, the moratoriums gave a few things on the deposit across the banks. When you look at the big numbers, when you look at how much money was deferred on payments, we have to say that we are positively surprised of the trend. We're monitoring daily payments and we're comparing those across all portfolios, not only consumer and residential, not only the clients that received the moratorium. We just want to make sure that we take a picture of the whole portfolio. So when I look at payments, they're basically flat. Meaning, that when compared to August, we are receiving payment at similar trends. That is not necessarily -- hopefully, we continue like that. We haven't finished the -- all the due dates of the month. There are still remaining due dates through January 31. But that will give us a pretty good picture of who's paying, who's not, and what else we have to do. And this covers our loans that are in our books on the consumer and residential. It doesn't cover necessarily the portfolio that we service that are conforming loans that are not necessarily in the bank balance sheet and the information that I shared with you, it does not include the commercial book as we don't have the statistic available right now.

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Another thing, Brad, obviously, the reported unemployment that came out of November, which is slightly higher than what we had as of September. In reality, we think, still has not captured everything that is going on in the economy, either because of that part of it's -- a lot of it's surveys that take a lot of time and not necessarily at some point, people were getting all the responses because of the communication issues. And the other thing is that you see still some announcements of closures of businesses. Aurelio Alemán: Layoff, yes.

Orlando Berges

Analyst

But we have been conducting informal surveys with our customers to try to understand. And at this point, at least, we do believe there is going to be some additional losses, that's why we have the reserves. But we don't have any information to assume that those losses will be higher than what we have reserved so far. That's with the information we have been able to gather up to now combining what Aurelio mentioned on payment trends and what we have seen on some of the other economic components.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Alex Twerdahl with Sandler O'Neill.

Alexander Twerdahl

Analyst

First off, I was just wondering if you could elaborate a little bit more on the individual review of commercial loans that you guys did during the quarter. I know you mentioned you did 81% of the loans. Is that 81% of loans in Puerto Rico or the entire book? And then also a little bit more on what would cause a loan through that process to move into the adversely classified category?

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Sure. It's 81% of the balances of the loans in Puerto Rico and VI. That's what's been reviewed. We haven't done any detail review of the Florida business because there was no impact there. So what we did is we've been visiting our customers to get very detailed information on -- specifically on damages. What's trending in terms of sales at our business volumes since the hurricanes happened and how we saw the recent weeks from -- most of these reviews were completed between November and December, so a lot of it happened in there. What is the status of the claims and the extent of coverage that they had on the claims, and the toughest one was what are they going to be able to recover from business interruption side of the policies. So what we have tried to do with that is try to put an assessment of how much time we feel some of these businesses will take to get back to normal. There are some businesses that we feel they're 100% back to normal, so those are very low probability of seeing any impact on those. Other had different levels of risk in terms of what's going to take to get back to normal. So there were a few cases that we feel that, at this point, it's imminent that they're going to have some impact. And we classified a few cases because of that and we moved to more nonperforming others that are based on the feedback we got from the customers or what we saw in there were not. Others, we just try to assess different levels of risk to try to compare with the possible losses with our estimation. Obviously, it's still some information that is not completely certain. But it's a fairly good assessment based on what's on hand on the level of risk that we saw in each of those cases, and that's how we ended up with providing an additional $4.8 million on the commercial side.

Alexander Twerdahl

Analyst

Okay. That's great additional detail. And then just a second question regarding capital. I know you talked about hoping to return some capital in the future. But I know that you do have some informal capital restrictions even with that rent agreement being lifted in October. Have you, one, disclosed what those are? And maybe another way of asking that question would be what would be the process to actually turning back on a common dividend through you guys?

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Well, the formal agreement, what it says is that we need a regulatory permission to do any capital movement. As I believe Aurelio went into this last quarter, we feel that, obviously, we need some of this process with the hurricane and the impact to be cleared out before you can go with very specific to regulators on where we see that. So these steps haven't changed. We are clearly creating a significant discount from book value. So any kind of repurchase would make sense, but also some kind of dividends will make sense. But it's just a matter of -- there is no hard dollars put on anything. It's a matter of going to the regulatory world and discussing with the regulators our capital plans, good measurement of possible losses coming from all this hurricane. And from there on, it's a normal discussion process.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Arren Cyganovich with Citi.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst · Citi.

You had mentioned that some of the deposit inflows that you had during the quarter -- or the bulk of it was not really insurance related. Are you seeing any signs of insurance coming through in January? And do you worry about after the moratoriums are over, you're going to have a little bit of a pressure on the deposit side near term? Aurelio Alemán: I think, yes, we did mention we tracked -- money comes in and out and claims, and it's been flowing. We tracked approximately $30 million that were there when we closed the year in December that belongs to the commercial. It's a process, obviously, a lot of claims probably use the capacity of all the companies moving those claims through. We expect that, that continues to flow, that is our expectation. So far, we don't see any indications of liquidity concerns from the market. So we don't expect of a negative trend on deposit. This is one piece. Insurance claims is one piece, but there is other money flowing from reconstruction funds that are actually coming from agencies and the federal government that is actually working and have workers in Puerto Rico. So if we compare this to prior hurricanes, we have said before, we do expect deposit trends to continue stable or growing in the coming quarters.

Arren Cyganovich

Analyst · Citi.

Okay. And then in terms of the business activity slowing down in the fourth quarter, can you talk about how that's starting to look into the first quarter for mortgage getting back on track and maybe on the commercial side as well? Aurelio Alemán: Yes. Obviously, December was better than November, November was better than October. But we're not -- December was not at the level of normalized. If we go by line of business, consumer product like auto lending, personal loans and credit card are -- were closer to the norm, close to 90%. Residential mortgage originations were still about 50% of the norm in December and the commercial is very transactional-driven. So some of the package is delayed in the pipeline because of property inspections, reassessment of property values and deal flow that was postponed. So obviously, we're hopeful that January is better than December. But every line of business has its own challenges in terms of when the volumes normalize. We don't expect that to reach normal until sometime probably in the second quarter. It's not going to be in the first quarter.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Joe Gladue with Merion Capital Group.

Joseph Gladue

Analyst · Merion Capital Group.

I wanted to talk about the net interest margin a little bit and then start just maybe with the loan yields and I guess, the competitive environment there in Puerto Rico. Just where are, I guess, loan yields on your originated compared to sort of the averages and what are you expecting in terms of rate hikes and how that will affect your yield?

Orlando Berges

Analyst · Merion Capital Group.

Well, loan yields have been fairly consistent. We haven't seen any significant change in loan yields from the prior quarters. Clearly, the change has come from the fact that we have a lot priced out of LIBOR, floating LIBOR, specifically on the commercial portfolio. And as three-month LIBOR has increased, that has increased a bit the pricing but not the spreads necessarily. The consumer portfolios are a lot driven out of prime. We haven't seen any major changes. Maybe a little bit of pressure on the really good credit on the consumer portfolios, but not a lot different from what we had before. On the deposit side, most of the pressure is coming on the wholesale funding where we have seen increases as rates have come up. The margin impact this quarter a lot had to do -- we ended up with significant amount of money on the fed account which -- yields have improved a bit with the discount rates going up, but still it's a low rate. We haven't reinvested those monies longer term on expectation of what's going to happen with monies flow once moratoriums expire. But that, obviously, affected the yield -- I mean, the margins. Overall, not much change on the deposit side. But as rates go up, we're going to see some pressures on the deposit side going up. I'm not in a position to tell you at this point if it's immediate. But clearly, as the base rates have been moving the last few weeks, we might see some pressure towards the end of the first quarter, beginning of second quarter on what's happening on the deposit side, on the market.

Joseph Gladue

Analyst · Merion Capital Group.

All right. And I guess I'd like to see if you could, I guess, give us your feeling on how the different flows will move between when the moratorium ends, when people start rebuilding, when inflows are coming in more rapidly from insurance settlements. Just what do you think in terms of increased liquidity as funding inflows come in versus when loans go out, do you -- first quarter, second quarter, do you think you will have higher liquidity, lower liquidity?

Orlando Berges

Analyst · Merion Capital Group.

Well, my view is that for the next few months, liquidity will be pretty good. I think that we haven't seen the full extent of the insurance money coming to the market. A lot of the claims are being completed as we speak or being negotiated with insurance companies or what we have seen mostly are advances. That's going to clearly start to come in within the next three months. A lot of the money is going to come in at that time frame. We have to assume that part of that money, obviously, recirculates but part of that money goes out for purchase of materials and a bunch of other things that are imported into Puerto Rico so some of that money is going to leave the island. And in that sense, deposits should be growing for the next few months and then will come down a bit from those levels. But typically, they stay much higher than when -- before the hurricane started, taking into account the significant amount of money that also comes in from FEMA and other kind of relief efforts. The lending side related to construction, I think we're going to start seeing that later this quarter, beginning of second quarter. As the insurance money comes in, a lot of those things are going to gain some speed. We know there are some reconstruction going in. But at this point, it's not necessarily reflected on lending. We have seen growth in lending requests from large suppliers that have -- people that import materials or people that provide some security service and things like that, but not to the extent -- I think that the large chunk will be seen in the second quarter.

Joseph Gladue

Analyst · Merion Capital Group.

And lastly, I guess, I'll ask more of a macro question. Just about the population flows and do you have any insights into migration and actually you can get any insights from your customers moving to your Florida locations? Aurelio Alemán: To be honest, we're gathering data as everybody else. There is no source of data that we believe is reflective of the overall situation yet. There's a lot of moving parts. We track our customers, we track if there's any trend on change of addresses, if there's any trends on voluntary surrenders of vehicles or voluntary surrender of house keys, and we haven't seen any different trend to what we had prior to the storms. Obviously, the moratoriums could have delayed that too, but we're monitoring our workforce, our employees. We always had, for the last five years, our migration. So we have seen some very slight changes, nothing that we can say it would be significant or detrimental at this stage.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Glen Manna with Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods.

Glen Manna

Analyst · Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods.

Aurelio, thank you for that color on the payment trends that you're seeing in January. That's really helpful. I wanted to follow up with something that was in the press release, and you gave some really great detail on what portion of mortgages and commercial loans had taken advantage of the moratoriums. So I believe it was $1.3 billion on resi and $1.2 billion on commercial and construction. You went on to say that in the early delinquencies for payments that were due by December 31, there was $95 million in resi and $3.2 million in the commercial book. Could you tell us what portion of those borrowers that took advantage of the moratorium were due to pay by December 31?

Orlando Berges

Analyst · Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods.

No. Most of the payments were not due by December 31. Most of the payments were due in January. A bit of those payments, the ones due in December were, basically, is part of a VI portfolio. The large chunk was in the Puerto Rico side and they were due in January because the three months extension was provided from the hurricane date, so it basically covered October, November and December. So as I mentioned before, overall on the residential side, 46% of the portfolio participated on the moratoriums and 82% of the consumer portfolios participated on the moratoriums. The reason Aurelio is stressing January is because that's where we feel the chunk of the movement will happen. We didn't see much change in December, obviously, in delinquency because of what -- as Aurelio mentioned, most of these people were -- their payments were not due in December. So the key data, it's going to come in the first quarter, and that's why we're tracking all these payments January 1 on.

Glen Manna

Analyst · Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods.

So would it be fair to say when you look at the $95 million in resi that had moved into early stage delinquency, the bulk of that was in the VI which got hit harder by the hurricanes than Puerto Rico and maybe that might not reflect what you would see come on in the first quarter for the overall resi book?

Orlando Berges

Analyst · Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods.

Well, we had an increase in early delinquency in resi of about $15 million. It's either -- again, it's either VI or simply there were people that were not participating. By any chance they didn't make any payment, their December payment, they showed up. But the increase was only $15 million because a chunk of the loans were in moratorium.

Glen Manna

Analyst · Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods.

And how have your call centers has been working to get out there to contact your residential mortgage borrowers? And would you say that the bulk of them understand what their obligations are?

Orlando Berges

Analyst · Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods.

Yes, we believe, by now, they're all clear. At the beginning, there were some confusion because when you start talking about moratoriums, there were some differences between the banks and there were clear differences on how the conforming paper you have to follow the guidelines of Ginnie or Fannie. But we've been talking to customers, our call center and our collection group, since we were not doing full collection efforts, we started contacting customers to get vital information and clarify doubts, and that's the reason why we feel that the payment trends we've seen so far are very much in line with August.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jordan Hymowitz with Philadelphia Financial.

Jordan Hymowitz

Analyst · Philadelphia Financial.

Do you have any sense of numbers yet of insurance proceeds in billions of dollars you expect to get? And also, is there a final number out from the continuing resolution of how much of the 80-plus billion in aid goes to Puerto Rico? Aurelio Alemán: No. There is actually not a final number -- the last question, there's not a final number. And we don't have a total because a lot of the claims are still in process and haven't been concluded. We're going to have those numbers at some point in time of how much we expect as it pertains to our commercial borrowers, but we don't have that data finalized yet.

Jordan Hymowitz

Analyst · Philadelphia Financial.

Do you have any ranges for either number at this point? Aurelio Alemán: Not really, not really.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is a follow-up question from Brett Rabatin with Piper Jaffray.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

I want to follow up on fee income. You gave guidance around the expenses. I'm just curious on those sort of the fee income level. So you've obviously been impacted by the hurricanes. What's your sense of the pace of recovery or pick-back-up in deposits, service charges? And then any thoughts on mortgage banking as we go into this summer? Can you give us any color on those two line items? Aurelio Alemán: Deposit, we should see normalize probably by the end of this quarter because some of the waivers that we approved were expired in December -- most of them. The -- in terms of the others related to transactional activity on having the POS terminals available, which as telecommunications are restored, that number continues to improve. And on the mortgage, it's a matter of business volume. We're tracking that we continue to reach our approximately 30% market share in origination, but the overall market it's low. [Indiscernible] it's building for a couple of months in the last quarter. Remember, the registry was closed so there was no actual closings on mortgages. We do focus primarily close to 80% of what we originated is conforming so we do sell in the secondary market. So I don't expect that to get normalized until probably the second quarter, mid or later part of the second quarter as -- of the markets. A lot have to do with if that property had a claim or not, if borrowers return or not to the transaction that was pending. So that is a process that we believe is going to take until probably the second quarter here.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay. And then you talked about the DTA. So can you give us an idea of what you're expecting for the tax rate this year?

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Sure. The tax rate for '17, obviously, ended up being much lower than what we expected. I believe the effective rate based on the estimated relationship of exempt income and NOL utilization that we've done for our forecast, it's going to be close to a 28% to 30%, in that range. Obviously, what affects us is that we still have a valuation allowance in there, which any change on the interrelationship of the components could affect the rate, but that's where we're assuming it's going to be somewhere between 28% and 30%.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay. And then lastly, I wanted to go back to pre-hurricane -- you were trying to lower NPAs particularly the ORE levels. Can you maybe give us an update on just is that part of the potential plan for later this year of getting, especially the ORE properties off the balance sheet? Or are you guys just kind of going to manage inflows this year? And then maybe in '19, you start to try and work those down again? Or maybe just an update on what your plan is to reduce the level of NPAs that you have this year or that you already have, I guess, I should say. Aurelio Alemán: Well, definitely, we're not going to sit and wait. We're reviving some of the deals that were on the table when the hurricane came. Some of the properties are being repaired also as part of the damages that they have with the hurricane. So we have a team that is very active and obviously, we have to manage the inflow, we have to manage the outflows. So it is a priority of the management team to move the needle on that aspect.

Brett Rabatin

Analyst

Okay. And then maybe just lastly, any update on -- I know there's a lot of chatter around the municipalities and they're getting paid. The government exposure, you're moving the TDF lower essentially by putting the interest to principal. Any thoughts on the remaining government exposure and kind of movements you might make in those pieces?

Orlando Berges

Analyst

Well, the municipalities, they have continued to make their payments in accordance with the agreements. But I mean, we don't see anything that would change that at this point, and it would be just a normal process. There's nothing special that we have on the plans to do with them. The other -- the TDF or the facilities that were under TDF, as we have mentioned, we've been negotiating with TDF. And eventually, obviously, we'll take some additional negotiations with the borrowers, and that's going to start -- should start happening in the next three quarters so that we can see when are we going to do it. Eventually, we'll end up with facilities that TDF is not involved and it's just borrower restructuring.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. It appears there are no more questions. So this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to John Pelling for any closing remarks.

John Pelling

Analyst

Thank you. On the investor front, we have a very busy schedule this month and into March. Next week, we'll be in [indiscernible] Florida for the KBW Investor Conference on February 11. On February 15, Merion Capital will be doing an investor tour in Puerto Rico. On February 22, Piper Jaffray will be conducting an investor tour of Puerto Rico. And finally, on March 2, Sandler O'Neill will be bringing a large group of investors down to the island. We appreciate your continued support and look forward to seeing many of you in the coming weeks. Thank you, again. This will conclude our call.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.