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Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Tue, Oct 22, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the FB Financial Corporation's Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. Hosting the call today from FB Financial is Chris Holmes, President and Chief Executive Officer. He is joined by James Gordon, Chief Financial Officer, and Wib Evans, President of FB Ventures, who will be available during the question-and-answer session. Please note, FB Financial's earnings release, supplemental financial information, and this morning's presentation are available on the Investor Relations page of the Company's website at www.firstbankonline.com and on the Securities and Exchange Commission's website at www.sec.gov. Today's call is being recorded and will be available for replay on FB Financial's website approximately an hour after the conclusion of the call. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode. This call will be open for questions after the presentation. During this presentation, FB Financial may make comments which constitute forward-looking statements under the federal security laws. All forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties and other facts that may cause actual results and performance or achievements of FB Financial to differ materially from any results expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. Many of such factors are beyond FB Financial's ability to control or predict, and listeners are cautioned to not put undue reliance on such forward-looking statements. A more detailed description of these and other risks is contained in FB Financial's periodic and current reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including FB Financial's most recent Form 10-K. Except as required by law, FB Financial disclaims any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements contained in this presentation whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. In addition, these remarks may include certain non-Generally Accepted Accounting Principle financial measures as defined by Securities and Exchange Commission Regulation G. A presentation of the most directly comparable Generally Accepted Accounting Principle financial measures and a reconciliation of the non-GAAP measures to comparable GAAP measures is available in the FB Financial's earnings release, supplemental financial information, and this morning's presentation which are available on the Investor Relations page of the Company's website at www.firstbankonline.com and on the Securities and Exchange Commission's website at www.sec.gov. I would now like to turn the presentation over to Chris Holmes, FB Financial's President and CEO. Please go ahead sir.

Chris Holmes

President

All right, thank you, Molly, and thank you for joining us on this call to review our results for the third quarter of 2019. We appreciate your continued interest in FB Financial. On today's call, our review of the highlights of our third quarter and then turn the call over to James Gordon, our Chief Financial Officer, and he'll provide additional analysis on our financial results, followed by your questions. This quarter, our team produced solid results with adjusted EPS of $0.77, adjusted return on average assets of 1.61%, and adjusted return on average tangible common equity of 17.7%. On the bank side, we balanced growth and profitability during the quarter that included two Fed rate cuts. In our newly restructured mortgage area that team capitalized on the lower rates environment and by delivering strong interest rate lock volumes and profitability for our two remaining origination channels retail and Consumer Direct. On this call, I think it's important for walk through three topics. First those are our strong third quarter and our solid fundamental growth. Our thoughts on near-term external factors and our most recent activities, M&A activity, and opportunities. First, on our strong third quarter and our fundamentals, which we think are really solid. We're very pleased with how our team performed in the third quarter. We've delivered annualized loan growth a 5.2% for the quarter and indirect 12% organic growth year-over-year. As we said before, we think of our business in terms of years, not quarters, so we don't get to excited that loan growth is 15% in one quarter, which it was in one recent quarter or 5% in another. Our goal is long-term consistent, profitable and sound growth, and we're committed to staying disciplined, especially and what we believe is becoming increasingly irrational credit markets, more…

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Chris and good morning, everyone. Our adjusted diluted earnings per share were $0.77 for the third quarter of 2019 with an adjusted return on average assets of 1.61% and adjusted return on average tangible common equity of 17.7%. Growth and improved mortgage results drove our increase over our adjusted EPS of $0.70 last quarter, and it provided a 13.2% year-over-year growth and EPS. Slide 4 illustrates the underlying fundamental trends of the Company's profitability and demonstrates our consistent performance. Our increase and adjusted return on average assets over the years as well as our performance this quarter serve to demonstrate the strength, durability and earnings power of our core franchise. The sustain level of profitability has been driven by balance loan and deposit growth, and margin that remains one of the highest among our peers, expense control and fundamentally sound credit quality. Next on Slide 5 which presents the fundamental elements of our net interest margin, specifically loan yields and fees as well as deposit cost trends. Our prior guidance range had been 4.15 to 4.30 excluding accretion and non-accrual interest for the decline of 5 to 10 basis points for 25 basis point rate code in the near term. With the July and September rate cuts, they leave us with a current range of 395 to 420. It's a 4.12% this quarter, falls squarely in that range. The average contractual loan yield for the quarter declined by 7 basis points, as compared to the second quarter, we faced additional margin pressures as our largely fixed rate securities portfolio experienced significant payouts early in the quarter, given the declining mortgage rates and a lower reinvestment rate. The lower rates that drove our significant mortgage volumes for the quarter impacted our yield on the loan held-for-sale portfolio with those rates…

Chris Holmes

President

All right. Thank you, James, appreciate your comments. We again, -- we're pleased with the results of the quarter and excited about the foundation that we have headed into the last and the rest of in 2014. So with that, Molly, we will take some questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We will take our first question from Catherine Mealor of KBW. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead. Your line is open

You gave a lot of information, which was really helpful, specifically everything on the margin. And the one thing I think I missed is, where what did you say, James, was the rate of loans for the month of September?

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Let me get that back and make sure I give you the right number. All right here. The let me make sure I give you the right number. For the month of September, our contractual rate was 5.42%.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead. Your line is open

Got it. Okay. And that compares if we just get back to the quarter...

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

It was roughly 5.5% for that third quarter on the contractual rate.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead. Your line is open

Okay. That makes sense. And on the deposit side, I mean, how the margin guide is super helpful and 5 to 10 bps per rate cut totally makes sense. How do you think about how quickly you'll be able to push down your deposit cost? I mean the CDs maturing makes sense as that $64 million re-price is down. But as you think about kind of core deposits and negotiated rates, how much traction have you been getting on these deposits in bringing deposit cost down so far?

Chris Holmes

President

Yes. So Catherine, we think about it as going as quickly as possible is how we think about it. And we so and we did see declines of 3 to 4 basis points each month in the quarter, July, August and September and so that's the way we continue to think about it. As it's become more this is a little more qualitative than quantitative. But as it's become more apparent that rates are going to are certainly decreasing than it seems to be that the market is has picked up some. And so, we've got some optimism there as we so not as much in the fourth quarter as we do probably going into next year that rates, hopefully, will begin to pick up and accelerate in terms of deposit pricing. Haven't seen that in our numbers yet, so that's what we saw in the last 3 months. But we are optimistic that, that could be the case and so that's how we're thinking about it.

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

And we have additional liquidity, I think, to defend any deposit pricing that we need to be more rational that may cost us a little bit in growth for the near term. So I think we can manage that fairly effective. We've taken with each of the cuts and even since the last cut, we've taken a pretty aggressive cut, particularly in our certificate of deposit rates, particularly in those that will be renewing. So we're optimistic, but it's still a tough battle ahead on that front.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead. Your line is open

And then as you think about the higher liquidity of $107 million we saw this quarter, is your as you think about next quarter, do you feel like you'll maintain the same level of liquidity? Or do you feel like bringing that down to your, as a way to kind of manage the margin helps some of this NIM compression. I guess how should we have to model those?

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Yes. I think we would keep it relatively flat to down, and that would be dependent on loan growth and deposit growth to offset that. Like I said, we'll we can defend deposit growth because we have built up that excess liquidity coming into the quarter. So we'll have flexibility to do either or whichever one is more profitable at the end of the day. It may impact the margin a little bit, but I think if some noted including yourself. It actually helps on the dollars, right, not so much on the rate this quarter, which accounted for about half of our decline in the margin, but it helped our dollars actually be up in net interest income.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead. Your line is open

Great. And then on buybacks, I mean, you announced a small acquisition this quarter, and your commentary clearly suggests that you're still actually looking another small deals. Are you interested in buybacks? Or is it really M&A preferred method of capital deployment right now?

Chris Holmes

President

Yes, M&A is preferred right now, and so we're not actively in the market right now.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead. Your line is open

Okay. That makes sense.

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

But also, remember that deal we announced, and we try not to take any tangible book value dilution, so we're really not leveraging capital now. If we get to something else, then we decide to do that that would be a different deployment option for the capital.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We will take our next question from Peter Ruiz of Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Peter Ruiz

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead, your line is open

Maybe just looking at mortgage. Obviously, really nice quarter here and you guys essentially matched your full year guidance just in this quarter alone. And I appreciate the color on kind of the slightly above breakeven in the fourth quarter and maybe in the first quarter as well. But can you kind of talk about the dynamics there? I mean your margin was up pretty significantly, I think, 62 basis points in the quarter. So maybe kind of what drove the higher margin this quarter and how much of that is sustainable and those puts and takes there?

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Yes. I think there's a couple of and I'll try to answer. If I don't, come back to me. But I think from your first point about that we've seen some increase in the last several weeks in the 10-year in mortgage rates for the 10-year, have them 70s, 1.80% range. So that'll slow down some of the refi activity plus the seasonal nature of the purchase money. So we're optimistic, but we want to be realistic at the same time. On the margin going up, I think that was really twofold. One was taking off the lower margin businesses from the wholesale channels that we sold to TPO and correspondent as well as a lot of capacity and the or the lack of capacity allowed us to get better margin, even on the production levels. So it was somewhat the environment and it was somewhat the change in the mix of our business structure. That margin was probably on the higher end because of the environment, but it should be up and much higher than it was previously because of change in the mix.

Peter Ruiz

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead, your line is open

Okay. Maybe just one more for me on expenses, taking out mortgage kind of the impacts there, you're still thinking mid-single digit for the banking segment here in the near term?

Chris Holmes

President

Yes. That's kind of what we're thinking in the near term. We'll continue to evaluate it in 2020, but that's what we're thinking in the near term. As we continue to grow the whole company, we're trying to make sure, one, we're prepared with the right people and infrastructure, but two, that we're controlling that at the right pace. And so that's a good estimate, and we will but we'll be evaluating it depending on the environment in 2020.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Tyler Stafford of Stephens. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Andrew Terrell

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead. Your line is open

Hey, this is actually Andrew Terrell on for Tyler this morning. Hey, Chris, I think in your prepared remarks, you mentioned deposit costs moved lower each month throughout the quarter. Do you have the breakdown of just what the total deposit costs were at for each month in the quarter? And just where they ended September 30 at?

Chris Holmes

President

Yes, I do. Give me one second.

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

I've actually given, and I'll give you that. So starting in July, they were at 1.15% and then 1.11% in August and 1.08% in September.

Andrew Terrell

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead. Your line is open

Got it. Okay. Maybe just move over to back to mortgage now. So you guys had $1.2 billion in sales during the quarter. I think 23% of this still came from third-party and correspondent. So just to be clear, there are no more sales expected from third-party or correspondent moving forward. That's kind of all-out now, right?

Chris Holmes

President

Right, we closed out the closed inventory. We actually transferred the locks to let me know, there maybe 1 or 2 loans, but nothing that can be significance.

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Yes.

Andrew Terrell

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead. Your line is open

Understood. And just trying to figure out how kind of the excess of those 2 channels affected the gain on sale margin in the quarter? Do you have what the sales for the third-party and correspondent were from a gain on sale perspective?

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Not well, the sales happened remember, we book all the income of the locks, and we didn't really lock much activity, none in the TPO because we sold this by June 30, and there's only a minimal amount locks on that. So very little impact from those 2 on the gain on sale margin during the quarter.

Andrew Terrell

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead. Your line is open

Okay, understood thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the quarter.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We will take our next question from Kevin Fitzsimmons of D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead, your line is open

Hey guys, good morning. Just Chris, appreciate your comments on M&A, and just maybe a follow-up in terms of if you are interested in other opportunities and you're having conversations, what's higher on your priority list in terms of appetite in terms of where and what that balance sheet would look like?

Chris Holmes

President

Yes. So in terms of where, we'd love existing geography first. And so we love existing geography and continuous markets first. It really what we love. And thinking our thinking there is operating leverage and trying to gain some more density in places where we are and then create some operating leverage for us. So that would be the highest on our list. And then right behind that is going to be liquidity. And so we're going to look at the deposit side of balance sheet. We want good, solid deposit relationships, preferably those that have a cost to deposit lower than ours are things that we look at. So the quality of deposit the deposit side of balance sheet would be the second thing. And then we're going to look at the financial metrics. And so and I think the acquisition you saw us announced in September is a good example of what we look for that we didn't take any tangible book value dilution on that. As James made reference when he was going to capital, it doesn't cost us any capital in that case, and so and we get some of earnings accretion. In this case, it was pretty small relative size, very small transaction. And so we didn't get a lot of EPS accretion, but we did get some. And if we if you think about that, if we can do 2 or 3 of those, those numbers really begin to add up, and so we'd like to look for some others.

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

I think another thing on the balance sheet structure. On the loan side, we would like a loan book that's more granular and very customer-focused, not a lot of wholesale purchase participations next or any of those kind of things, which the smaller guys tend not to have.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead, your line is open

Right, right. That makes a lot of sense. Just one follow-up on margin. So as I just want to clarify, so what you're saying is 5 to 10 basis points or so per Fed rate cut. So just from the 1 we got in September, that would imply 5 to 10. And I would think that is it reasonable to think that it would be toward the higher end because deposit re-pricing hasn't really caught up yet, but that would diminish going forward. And then separately, if we got another cut this month and that would be on top of the 5 to 10 basis points we're already talking about. Thanks.

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Yes. So some of the September cut is already in the numbers since LIBOR is kind of as I call it, as front run dropping the Fed as we're seeing right today. LIBOR is already coming down in advance of the cuts. So some of that is in there, so I'd say, if you took away the liquidity hit, so we've basically had a full quarter of our rate cut. When you kind of balance out the 2 cuts in the third quarter, we were at 10, but roughly half of that was the build in the liquidity just on the margin didn't impact the dollar that much. So but yes, so we are at some continuing impact of the September cut and then another cut may come next week and then maybe even another one in December, say. I think it would be on the higher side of the 5 to 10 when you combine all of those together in the fourth quarter.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Jennifer Demba of SunTrust. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Stephen Stone

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead, your line is open

Hey guys, it's actually Steve on for Jennifer. Two kind of quick questions here, you guys talked about margin potentially increase in the back half of next year. Does that include any potential future rate cuts? Or does that kind re-stabilize from here?

Chris Holmes

President

That'd be more re-stabilized from here. We wouldn't be thinking about any rate cuts beyond the fourth quarter.

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

It was really the rate cuts that may happen in the fourth quarter, early first quarter depending which day you look when they expect rate cuts. But and then 3 to 6-month lag before you can fully get deposits caught back up with the compression in your variable-rate loans. So...

Stephen Stone

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead, your line is open

So if we got a cut in October, say, and do you guys think the second half of next year, you could start to see the deposit costs kind of caught up and margin increasing?

Chris Holmes

President

Yes. I think that's a reasonable assumption.

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Yes.

Stephen Stone

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead, your line is open

Okay. And then on provision, you guys said the increase was due to just kind of conservatism on the credit rate environment maybe worsening a little bit. Are you seeing something that made you do that? Or are you just being a little more conservative out there?

Chris Holmes

President

Yes. I'm really glad you asked that question. No, we're not seeing anything in our portfolio that's making us think that. So I'll be clear. Good question, glad you asked it. And we're not seeing anything in our portfolio. We are seeing things in the market, in competitive pressures that just make us shake our head. And that is not a I won't make that has also that is not a quantitative leading indicator. It's purely qualitative. But we see some things in the market, and we're just going, man, this some folks have lost like I said, it's foolish behavior. And so when we see that, we begin to think back to times past and what's come right after that and usually it's some credit issues. And so that's just anecdotal qualitative, but that's what that's the reason. So I want to make sure, we're not seeing anything in our portfolio that's causing us any concern.

Stephen Stone

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead, your line is open

Okay. So it's more the rate structure, I think, as you guys were talking about than any kind of economic changes?

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Right, it's more of a qualitative factor than quantitative factor.

Chris Holmes

President

Rate structure, but we're also seeing some compromise on some credit structure as well. So it's not only rate, it's there's some credit things as well. So which we're continually walking away from, and so we just we're not complying that.

Stephen Stone

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead, your line is open

Okay. And then just one final thing on mortgage actually, you guys kind of seem to think that 4Q is going to be more of a normalized seasonally 4Q. There is not really any holdover from this quarter being so strong in mortgage?

Chris Holmes

President

Not really. We've seen it kind of adjust back. And it looks pretty normal to us as so far for this quarter, and we would anticipate that it would continue to be normal.

Operator

Operator

We will take our last question from Alex Lau of JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Alex Lau

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open

My first question is on CECL. I know you're still working through the impacts. But from your initial thoughts, does CECL impact your approach to M&A in any way or the types of deals that you would consider?

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

I think we if you saw on the last deal that we announced, we actually included the impact of CECL in there and still have no tangible book value dilution. What we're finding is that a mere tangible book value either way, it doesn't really change anything because of the additional accretion pickup. You earn it back fairly quickly. But yes, we I think it's just another thing to do to consider when you're doing M&A and looking at that. And so what we'll consider it and make the judgment on what the right prices kind of with and without having what the impacts of it are. So it just one of the things we have to deal with now as one has to adapt CECL and others that do not have to adopt CECL now.

Alex Lau

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open

Got it. And just moving on to credit, I think last quarter, you mentioned you're in the process of doing an annual credit review. Is one, was there any findings from that? Is this what led to your comments around the irrational behavior in the market?

Chris Holmes

President

So, yes, we did comment on that last quarter. I'd tell you that process, we complete we do it annually, we'd completed it. It has gone well. And one of the benefits of that process is that it gives us the opportunity to have some really direct communication with all of our relationship managers about credit and especially larger credits and gives us the opportunity to evaluate those based on changing set of economic dynamics. And so we did challenge more a little more bigger than we sometimes would in the face of potentially slowing economy. And so that will that leads to some pruning of the portfolio, not a massive amount, to be honest with you, but we challenged harder than we have in the last, say, 5 years and that does lead to some pruning. That's not what really leads to my comments on what we're what's leading to my comments in on some things that we don't we're not going to participate in that we're seeing in the marketplace as really just market activity and watching deals come in, especially, like I said, some credit terms where we're not that we're not willing to do, but and more than that, some pricing terms which we're not willing to do. We see we've seen in all of our markets, we've seen 10 to 20-year fixed-rate deals anywhere from 3.25% to 3.95% and we're not talking about and we're talking about product types that just don't deserve that type of those type of terms. And so we've consistently just said even on really strong credits, we've just said, hey, we're not going to do that. And so that's really what's leading to those comments more than those reviews.

Alex Lau

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open

Got it. And really appreciate your comments around that the color on that behavior. Just on the specifics of that. Are there any industries or markets that you're seeing? Or is this generally broad-based in your markets?

Chris Holmes

President

Yes. We've actually seen it fairly broad-based. I'm sorry to say, and it's because it and sometimes we could pinpoint and go, you know what, it's one or two small banks or its one particular. In this case, it's not. It's there are there's more than one offender in our case. And some of them are large enough that they stretch across multiple of our markets. And so again, they see something that we don't see.

Operator

Operator

That concludes today's question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back to Mr. Chris Holmes for any additional or closing remarks.

Chris Holmes

President

Okay. Thank you, Molly. That concludes our remarks. Really appreciate everybody's attendance on the call and the questions from the analysts. We appreciate your interest in FBK. We appreciate your support, and everybody have a great day. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.