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Q2 2019 Earnings Call· Tue, Jul 23, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to FB Financial Corporation's Second Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. Hosting the call today from FB Financial is Chris Holmes, President and Chief Executive Officer. He is joined by James Gordon, Chief Financial Officer, and Wib Evans, President of FB Ventures, who will be available during the question-and-answer session. Please note, FB Financial's earnings release, supplemental financial information, and this morning's presentation are available on the Investor Relations page of the company's Web site at www.firstbankonline.com and on the Securities and Exchange Commission's Web site at www.sec.gov. Today's call is being recorded and will be available for replay on FB Financial's website approximately an hour after the conclusion of the call. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode. This call will be open for questions after the presentation. During this presentation, FB Financial may make comments which constitute forward-looking statements under the federal security laws. All forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties and other facts that may cause actual results and performance or achievements of FB Financial to differ materially from any results expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. Many of such factors are beyond FB Financial's ability to control or predict, and listeners are cautioned to not put undue reliance on such forward-looking statements. A more detailed description of these and other risks is contained in FB Financial's periodic and current reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including FB Financial's most recent Form 10-K. Except as required by law, FB Financial disclaims any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements contained in this presentation whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. In addition, these remarks may include certain non-Generally Accepted Accounting Principle financial measures as defined by Securities and Exchange Commission Regulation G. A presentation of the most directly comparable Generally Accepted Accounting Principle financial measures and a reconciliation of the non-GAAP measures to comparable GAAP measures is available in the FB Financial's earnings release, supplemental financial information, and this morning's presentation which are available on the Investor Relations page of the company's website at www.firstbankonline.com and on the Securities and Exchange Commission's website at www.sec.gov. I would now like to turn the presentation over to Chris Holmes, FB Financial's President and CEO. Please go ahead sir.

Chris Holmes

President

Thank you, [Indiscernible]. Good morning and thank you for joining us on this call to review our results for the second quarter of 2019. We appreciate your interest in FB Financial. On today's call I'm going to review the highlights of our second quarter and then I'll turn the call over to James Gordon, our Chief Financial Officer who will provide additional analysis on our financial results followed by your questions. The theme of the quarter and the first half of the year is consistent execution, and I'm proud of the results our team has delivered. This performance included a core net interest margin excluding accretion and non-accrual interest of 4.22%. Our return on average assets of 1.1%, return on average common equity of 17.0% and EPS of $0.70, all of those adjusted. The important deliverables during the quarter were first; the stellar financial results, which I just summarized. Second, improved mortgage operation and repositioning of mortgage from the sales of the two wholesale origination channels. Third, the successful integration of our branch acquisition, and fourth, our continuing upgrades in systems and technology. First, I'll explain on the banks financial performance this quarter. A 13.5% organic loan growth we delivered another quarter above our long-term outlook of 10% to 12%. We continue to see stronger demand from credit worthy customers and I'm proud of our relationship managers for this results. Our Nashville and Jackson market led the way a loan growth this time, but we also saw a sound production at East Tennessee, Memphis and Huntsville. On a net basis we didn't grow our deposits organically this quarter as we indicated could be the case. We utilized liquidity from the branch acquisition to reduce our dependence from higher cost deposits, which kept our deposit cost flat at 1.14%. With rate…

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Chris and Good morning everyone. Our adjusted diluted earnings per share were $0.70 for the second quarter of 2019 within an adjusted return on average assets of 1.54% and then adjusted return on average tangible common equity of 17%. Growth, improved mortgage results, expense management and benign credit environment were increased over our adjusted EPS of $0.66 last quarter. Slide four illustrates the underlying fundamental trends of the company's profitability and demonstrates our consistent performance. Our increase in adjusted return on average assets over the years, as well as our performance this quarter served to demonstrate the strength, durability and earnings by our core franchise. This sustain level of profitability had been driven by balanced loan and deposit growth, the margin that remains one of the highest among our peers, expense control and fundamentally sound credit quality. Next slide five presents the fundamental elements of our net interest margins specifically loan yields and fees as well as deposit cost trends. As Chris mentioned, we landed in the middle of our target range this quarter mostly due to control in our cost of funds and deployment of some of the excess liquidity that we received in the branch acquisition offset by lower loan fees of approximately $1 million as we lag some of the prepayment fees that bolstered our loan fees in the first quarter of 2018. In the absence of rate cuts we anticipate being in the 4.15% to 4.30% range for the remainder of 2019 of each 25 basis points rate cut we anticipate the margin declining further 10 basis points for each full quarter in the near term as they will take time for liabilities to reprice downwards. Roughly 50% of our loan portfolio is variable rate with approximately $1 billion tied to LIBOR and $1 billion…

Chris Holmes

Operator

Thank you, James. And once again, we appreciate your interest and investment in FB Financial. Operator, that concludes our remarks on this morning's call. We'd now like to open the call up for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We'll go first to Jennifer Demba at SunTrust.

Jennifer Demba

Analyst

Thank you. Can you hear me?

Chris Holmes

Operator

Good morning, Jennifer. We can hear you.

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Good morning.

Jennifer Demba

Analyst

Great. You mentioned obviously credit quality still excellent, but you want to prune some weaker credits over the next few quarters. Any idea what amount of credits you're calling to pruned at this point? And will they be in any particular category? Thanks.

Chris Holmes

Operator

No. There's not anything specific there, but I'll explain it this way. We are undergoing right now on annual credit review process that we do annually. And it’s a process where we get there and we look at all of our credits over a certain balance and then we look at some others randomly and we do that by market. We do it with each market and we do it with our credit team and we challenge the quality of the credits and talk about the quality of the overall portfolio and that process is underway. One of the things that I have challenged that team to do is to look more critically at that portfolio than perhaps we have in the past to do exactly. We use the word prune, use the word prune. And for those credits that are weaker and could be even further negatively impact in a downturn to let's look at how we would take actions to either improve those or move those from the bank, because as we all know once you're in the throes of the downturn, you don't -- it's hard to move anything especially if it's not of high quality. And so, that's a proactive process on our part, and it's going to be more rigorous than it's been in the past. In anticipation that at some point the economy is not as rosy as it is today. So that's what that's in reference to. And so -- and you would -- as you would expect in terms of what would be -- we're always going to continue to look at the hospitality segment at the multi-family segment, at the -- at some other smaller concentrations that we particularly monitor that are specific to either a market or a footprint or some niche that we have. And so they'll look at all of those, but not with any specific targets other than the internal targets that we already have.

Jennifer Demba

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you.

Chris Holmes

Operator

Thanks, Jennifer.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Catherine Mealor at KBW.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW

Thanks. Good morning.

Chris Holmes

Operator

Good morning, Catherine.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW

With the follow-up on your expense guide, so you're saying that core bank level expenses from today should increase at a mid single digit growth rate. Is there anything in this past quarter -- I guess let me put it in that way. When we think about ACBI, is this a full quarter with ACBI? Or are there any savings that we should see from that run rate that we have in this quarter? Or so and so off that I guess the bank level expenses were a little higher, so just trying to figure out there's any kind of savings in there before we then grow it at that mid single digit rate?

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Not a whole lot of savings allowed, because remember we closed and converted and closed all of the branches on the same day as closing the transaction, so not a lot of savings probably a little bit on the edge but nothing anything material on that front. I would say, a big contributor and I mentioned it in my comments this was quarter where we get the full effect of our normal annual may raises and equity grants and other things. So that should be at the same level. So it shouldn't go up in absolute dollars the same, but we will continue in particular we focus on hiring new revenue producers and making continued needs in the infrastructure and technology.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW

Okay. Got it. That's helpful.

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

We did close the branch transaction on April the 5th and so it is in for most of the quarter practically all.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW

Yes. Okay. Okay. Got it. And then on the mortgage side is there a way to think about mortgage expenses and once we see the full impact of the sale of the third-party and the correspondent?

Chris Holmes

Operator

Well, I think that there's obviously a big component that's variable that's based on the revenue produced like we saw this quarter. We did talk a little bit about the contributions of the two units that are have been sold or will be sold that have roughly $2 million in the first half of the year with $2.5 million of revenues for about $500,000 direct contribution. Then I would. Then we're continuing to cut on the back office size. I would say somewhere in the $500,000 to a $1 million of expense cuts that we're looking at over the coming months or so as we finalize to sell the correspondence that's not in those direct units.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW

Got it. Okay. And that's on a quarterly basis?

Chris Holmes

Operator

Annual basis.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW

$500 to $1 million annually.

Chris Holmes

Operator

Yes.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW

Got it. Okay.

Chris Holmes

Operator

And so Catherine you said is there a way for you to think of those expenses post those two dispositions. And I would just say, yes, lower.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW

I assume that. I assume that. But -- and then -- and just to make sure I'm on the same page, this $2.5 million revenue that is a first -- what is that time period?

Chris Holmes

Operator

The first half of the year.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW

Okay. So, those two units were $2.5 million in revenue and $500,000 direct -- bottom line contribution for the first half of 2019?

Chris Holmes

Operator

Yes.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW

Okay, great.

Chris Holmes

Operator

Actually, I think that maybe let me double check that. Yes. I say 95 million.

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Yes. You have…

Chris Holmes

Operator

That $5 million -- half a million dollars of net direct contribution, I'm sorry, is $2.5 million a quarter.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW

Okay. Just say it again?

Chris Holmes

Operator

So it's about 5 million and five hundred [ph].

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW

Got it. Five million in the first half and then 500,000 also in the first half.

Chris Holmes

Operator

Yes.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · KBW

Got it. Okay, great. And then one other on the margins, so I mean I appreciate the 5 to 10 bps cut are guidance for lower margin per cut. And I mean -- and it feels high, but is that really just high because you're really not giving any benefit to lower funding costs and does that guide also include any kind of limited excess liquidity from what you've gained in the ACBI acquisition?

Chris Holmes

Operator

We deployed most of that this quarter that there are the little bit well and then we added the additional liquidity to the Federal Home Loan Bank advances that I've talked about. I would say bringing deposit costs down would get us at the five. If we're not able to do that it's closer to the 10. If you think about roughly half of our portfolio is variable rate, if you get a 25 basis point cut that's roughly 12 basis points on the yield just right off the top of the loan yield which is the majority of our earning assets. So that's where the 10 comes from and then the five would be if we're able to cut and control costs along with repositioning some of our wholesale liabilities like we've done since the quarter has ended.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst · repositioning some of our wholesale liabilities like we've done since the quarter has ended

Got it. That's very helpful. Thank you.

Chris Holmes

Operator

Thanks Catherine.

Operator

Operator

Next, we'll move to Peter Ruiz at Sandler O'Neill.

Peter Ruiz

Analyst

Hey, good morning guys.

Chris Holmes

Operator

Good morning, Peter.

Peter Ruiz

Analyst

Most of my questions have been answered, but maybe if you could just give a little color. I know you guys have been pretty transparent on the CD specials and whatnot that are going to be running off here in the coming quarters. But could you give maybe some color on what any potential specials running right now what they look like and maybe what competitors are doing on the deposit side?

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Yes. We continue to see some deposit specials in the market and it's been sort of the competitors that are fairly consistent, those that are really having an organic growth pattern and are in constantly growing their loan portfolio, the funding and so we see specials from them. It's kind of a pattern. Some others that aren't growing, we don't know or are kind of quiet in the marketplace because they don't they don't need the funding. And it continues to be mostly driven by really two things time deposits and targeted on more -- little more targeted on money market type products.

Chris Holmes

Operator

Yes. I would say that that's all true. We've seen a little bit of abatement of that over the last several weeks as I think everyone's appreciative that there's likely a rate cut coming sometime when maybe unclear. So we're seeing some abatement in the competitive nature of that. Our current specials are really targeted at that money that is rolling out of that 2.55 [ph] on the 11-month product that we did in the third quarter of last year and we've spread out the maturity in the low twos that they can map over to replace their maturity money at this point.

Peter Ruiz

Analyst

Okay, great. Thanks.

Chris Holmes

Operator

Thanks Peter.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Tyler Stafford at Stephens.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens

Hey, good morning guys.

Chris Holmes

Operator

Hey, good morning, Tyler.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens

I wanted to go back to Catherine's earlier question, just make sure I'm clear on the mortgage expectation. So in the first half of the year, the TPO and correspondent channels were -- they contributed $5 million of revenue with I guess $4.5 million of expenses for the net a five pre-tax?

Chris Holmes

Operator

Yes.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens

Okay. Okay. Got it. So, with the exit of those two channels, can you frame up just, I guess the looking at a different way, the new, I guess expected gain on sale margin with the absence of those two channels?

Chris Holmes

Operator

It shouldn't move higher, but given the lack of that in both of those how higher margins. Historically it will it will move up but not dramatically from where it's been because the lack of the production from those two channels as we announced the shutdowns over the last quarter or two so. But it will move higher or so.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · the production from those two channels as we announced the shutdowns over the last quarter or two so. But it will move higher or so

Okay. With rates where they're at backing up and just the added strength of the mortgage market, do you see upside to upside potential to the $5 million pre-tax I guess guide that you've given previously with lower rates and under the rate cut scenario. Is there is a potential for that to move higher in the back half of the year and on a run rate basis into 2020?

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Tyler, there's a reluctant, yes, there could be some. We have as you know we stay away from trying to guide on mortgage. And I think I said last quarter we've given up on being good forecasters or predictors when it comes to rates and mortgage volumes which are closely tied together. We certainly didn't expect the -- we were talking in the first quarter we didn't expect volume to be where it was in the second quarter. And so as mortgage rates continue it's been good for volumes. It's been good for margins. We hope that that continues and that's the case and it leads to some outperformance there. So we think it -- so that's what -- I don't know – I think that answers your question is that there's a reluctant yes there, but then I'll just throw this in. We try to run a balanced mortgage business. You also heard me say, you like consistent, we like repeatable. We like predictable. And so we saw some balancing of that with mortgage servicing rights, the decay in mortgage servicing rights that were a negative for the quarter that balanced the production. And so that that's a little bit hard to forecast as well. So, all things considered, sure, there's some upside there but we're reluctant to go out and say and rely on that. It really comes down to whether the rate environment canceled out the seasonally decline that you have heading into the fourth quarter and that's an unknown. That obviously has happened in the past, but it's not always an indicator of the future. But that would be the biggest opportunity.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · the production from those two channels as we announced the shutdowns over the last quarter or two so. But it will move higher or so

Sure. Understood. And I may or I think I did miss some of the asset -- earning asset repricing details you gave in the prepared comments. Can you I guess go over again kind of the fixed first floating dynamics of a loan portfolio today, and if you guys have any flaws on the loan on the floating portfolio? And then just thinking about that $140 million of CDs that are maturing in the third and fourth quarter just I guess new kind of cost for CD rate right now if you could elaborate on that I'd appreciate it?

Chris Holmes

Operator

Okay. On the on the assets side, so all of our investments are 99% of them are fixed rates, so nothing much coming there, maybe a basis point or two from accelerated repayments on the mortgage backs. On the loan portfolio we have about a little over $2 billion that is variable rate to roughly half and that's pretty evenly split between about a billion in LIBOR and a billion in prime. So the LIBOR is obviously already kind of ahead of any cuts in the prime rate at this point. So that's pretty much the asset repricing side. On the deposit side, we have one $140 million at 255 that is renewing this quarter in the third quarter. We would think that could come down in to the low the low twos based on the specials that we're running the target those customers and what they would rollover into. Then we have another roughly $60 million of that same product in the fourth quarter is not – we had started lowering those rates and it's about 240-ish [ph]. That's actually 2.43% and so we would hope that could even be lower bringing similar to what we do this quarter. Now with that said, depending on competition and other things some of that money may leave, but we think we can replace that with short-term wholesale money and probably would take that route and continue to deploy some of the excess liquidity that should help us manage that cost somewhat immediately, but then over time to return the margin to where we're operating today. So it will -- I think the deposit pricing will lag some of that immediate asset repricing.

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

And Tyler our shortest term we intend in price at 2%, our longest term price about 230. So it's fairly tight there, that long term in 25 months or so.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens

Got it. Okay. All right. That's helpful. Thanks for that color. And just lastly…

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

And your deposit, if you're looking for a bark [ph].

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens

I think you're barking up the wrong tree there. Hey just lastly for me just given your M&A comments earlier, is it fair to assume that the buyback activity will remain I guess absent at this point?

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Yes. We haven't bought back any share to this point. We do have the authorization in place and we certainly could, but if it looks unlikely right now.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens

Okay. Thanks guys.

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks Tyler.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll go next to Alex Lau at JP Morgan.

Alex Lau

Analyst · JP Morgan

Hi. Good morning.

Chris Holmes

Operator

Good morning, Alex.

Alex Lau

Analyst · JP Morgan

Hi. Can you touch on the organic balance sheet growth during the quarter which excludes the acquisition? Which loan segments or industry do you see drive the loan growth? And also on the deposit side, did you see anything seasonal like with public fund?

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Yes. So, on the loan side it hasn't been driven by any particular segment or product type. It's pretty much been spread, and that's actually been pretty consistent over the last several quarters. And so it's come in all forms. C&Is, some CRE, some -- many even some slight bit of retail continue to have some growth in our specialty lending portfolio. So it's not specific to any product type. And we do -- we actually include a graph in there where we try to keep track of that and publicize where that -- where the growth is coming. And so it's been fairly consistent on the loan side. And on the deposit side with public funds probably the more seasonality in the first quarter than the second quarter, and so to most that was out of the balances in terms of seasonality by the end of the second quarter.

Alex Lau

Analyst · JP Morgan

Got it. And good to see non-interest bearing deposit growth in quarter, you mentioned the new treasury management platform. What does the pipeline or opportunity look like for this new platform for bringing on more non-interest bearing deposit?

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Yes. So, we're actually excited about that opportunity. If you if you look over say, the last seven or eight quarters even go back further than that we've had good experiencing growing non-interest bearing and it's primarily been driven by treasury management. That was not nearly as robust in the last four to six quarters. And as I mentioned investments in technology and its part of what you get [Indiscernible] sometimes here your systems most others are tied to a pretty small world of vendors out there sometimes your systems can be sunset which took place with our treasury management systems, so we had to go through the process of conversion. And that's probably weighed on us just a little bit during say the last – say, I'll say four to six quarters we saw some growth this quarter because we have converted to the new system. Our folks are excited about it. And so we're hopeful about that moving forward. I said we had 13%, almost 14% growth in non-interest bearing this quarter on an organic basis when you take out the acquisition that's I think really strong. And so that's something that is a point of emphasis for us. And I think that, Alex, I'm glad you picked up on it, that's something that we're excited about. And I'll add to that, with the disruption in the market between the merger between SunTrust and BB&T some other turmoil et cetera, turmoil are right word that some other movement in the market, we see opportunities there and we see opportunities for frankly some fairly large accounts that don't move very often like maybe once in my career. And so we're trying to zero in on some of those and we're hopeful that we'll be able to. We have gotten a shot at a few of them. We have won a few of those and we want to want to continue to focus on that.

Alex Lau

Analyst · JP Morgan

Right. Thanks for that color. And then just the last point you on the technology and system upgrades there's a treasury management platform. Is there anything else that you want to highlight?

Chris Holmes

Operator

Yes. Are online on both retail and commercial is something that our areas that we have targeted or some upgrades and are doing some -- and we'll see some improvements there and some investment there on our part. It's going back to 2016, we did a course systems conversion and so when we did that we were taking a long term view of systematically continuing to rotate some enhancements on all of our customer facing technology. So that works in this treasury system first and you'll see those online systems come next. And then again it's a consistent process over the next. Actually we got a three-year plan there where that will consistently upgrade this.

Alex Lau

Analyst · JP Morgan

Great. Thanks for taking my question.

Chris Holmes

Operator

All right. Thank you, Alex.

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We'll move next to Brock Vandervliet with UBS.

Brock Vandervliet

Analyst

Hi. Good morning.

Chris Holmes

Operator

Good morning, Brock.

Brock Vandervliet

Analyst

Good morning. Just in terms of the balance sheet shape. Now with rates looking lower not higher anymore, would you consider raising the loan-to-deposit ratio closer to 100%? Or do you kind of like where it's running here?

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Yes. We like we're running now. And again we we're not -- we don't consider ourselves great at predicting the future there. And so we want to stay less than 100. And we like where it is today. It's in the high 80s on a loan -- on a Telford investment portfolio and we like that. It could go a little higher than where it is today. But keep in mind we got that held for sale portfolios that will add another 5% or 6% on that. So we're running -- when you add the 100% you're running about 95% and that's where we'd like to be.

Brock Vandervliet

Analyst

Got it. And you mentioned in the opening remarks looking to prune some loans keeping things tight, anticipating slowing at some point. How could you just kind of frame that out a little more how deep do you think you're going to cut there and what characteristics are you are you looking for?

Chris Holmes

Operator

Yes. So, we don't have any certain target that we're going -- we want to cut this much out. We do have a -- I guess I would make the Jack Welch analogy that they used to do gee they used to do in GE, they used to prune a certain amount of folks every year to try to always keep high performers. And we don't have a certain target. It's just as we review the portfolio it's -- think about those that are maybe struggling today. Everything's current, everything's working, but we know the customers that maybe had some challenge in keeping up in good times and when that's the case during bad times bring really bad consequence. And so, I also will say if you look at the first half of the year, year to-date we're nearly 14% longer. Only 13% on an annualized basis loan growth and we like to grow in that 10% to 12% so we're over that. And so we're not talking about anything drastic in terms of reduction in our portfolio or in our growth rate. But we grow 10% to 12% on an annualized basis, we can already grow at 8% and still be in the middle of that range, right and so I think it's just a good opportunity to try to get ahead in any particular downturn. And so, we don't have any -- we're not out there going, but we want to reduce by X dollar amount. We're just saying, let's take this opportunity while we continue to have strong growth opportunities to try to make sure our portfolio is as strong as it can possibly be in the face of any downturn.

Brock Vandervliet

Analyst

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

Chris Holmes

Operator

Thanks, Brock.

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks Brock.

Operator

Operator

Next, we'll go to Daniel Cardenas at Raymond James.

Daniel Cardenas

Analyst

Good morning guys.

Chris Holmes

Operator

Good morning, Dan.

Daniel Cardenas

Analyst

So just quickly as it kind of goes to your comments on M&A, sounds like you're talking to a number of folks. But are there any specific markets that perhaps hold more interest for you than others? And then if you could remind us what kind of earned back period would you be looking for in a transaction?

Chris Holmes

Operator

Sure, Dan. So first on markets, we love in footprint for a number of reasons. One, operating leverage; we get some markets where we'd like to have more density to give us more operating leverage. Second, they tend to be lower risk because you tend to know the people and know the customers and know the markets, know the cultures and so we always like in market first. And then we are -- and then beyond that we like contiguous markets and people we know and things that we know and so. And then, I'd say those are where probably most of our more immediate opportunities --- there's enough opportunities. We do have some ambitions that go beyond our current markets, but we probably have enough opportunities today that are in those first two categories that we wouldn't have to go to the third to be able to jump to markets like Birmingham or Atlanta or places like that today. And so those are the -- that's the geography and the types of opportunities we would really like. As I mentioned, we like banks with strong deposit portfolios. We like good credit quality. And then we like a good solid customer relationship banks and I contrast that with wholesale banks. We see in some banks that have a lot of wholesale loans and deposits and we can do that on our own. We don't need it. We don't pay a premium for that. And then when we think of the financial metrics, of course we're looking to get some EPS accretion and then we're going to manage any dilution -- tangible book value dilution carefully. We don't like any. And depending on the type of deal we may not be willing to take it. There are some that are quite attractive banks could be quite attractive and could be meaningful to us Again specially if they're in certain markets where we need more than we already have and they'll know we would take some tangible book value dilution. That gets complicated also because today some sellers particularly if it's a privately owned company they may desire more cash. And so that can lead to little more tangible book value dilution. And so we may take some tangible book by dilution, but we watch that closely and we want to manage that earn back closely and we generally going to keep that under three years whenever we're looking at the earn, we generally going to try to keep that under that three-year mark on a transaction that's particularly important even on the transaction is particularly important to us.

Daniel Cardenas

Analyst

All right. Great. That's all I have for right now. Thanks guys.

Chris Holmes

Operator

Thanks, Dan.

James Gordon

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Dan.

Operator

Operator

And that does conclude the question and answer session. At this time, I'll turn the conference back over to Chris Holmes for any closing remarks.

Chris Holmes

Operator

Okay. Thank you all very much for your time and thank you again for your interest and happy financial. We'll look forward to talking to you next quarter.

Operator

Operator

And that does conclude today's conference. Again thank you for your participation.