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Q1 2016 Earnings Call· Fri, May 6, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Exelon Corporation's Q1 2016 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Prasanthi and I'll be facilitating the audio portion of today's – and active broadcast. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. For those of you on this stream, please take note of the options available in your event console. At this time, I would like to turn the show over to Dan Eggers, Senior Vice President of Investors Relations.

Dan L. Eggers - Senior Vice President-Investor Relations

Management

Thank you, Prasanthi. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our first quarter 2016 earnings conference call. Leading the call today are Chris Crane, Exelon's President and Chief Executive Officer; and Jack Thayer, Exelon's Chief Financial Officer. They are joined by other members of Exelon's senior management team who will be available to answer your questions following our prepared remarks. We issued our earnings release this morning along with the presentation, both of which can be found in the Investor Relations section of the Exelon's website. The earnings release and other matters which we discuss during today's call contain forward-looking statements and estimates that are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ from our forward-looking statements based on factors and assumptions discussed in today's material, comments made during this call, and our Risk Factors section in the earnings release, and the 10-Q, which we expect to file on May 10. Please refer to today's 8-K, the 10-Q, and Exelon's other filings for a discussion of factors that may cause results to differ from management's projections, forecasts and expectations. Today's presentation also includes references to adjusted operating earnings and other non-GAAP measures. Please refer to the information contained in the appendix of our presentation and our earnings release for a reconciliation between the non-GAAP measures to the nearest equivalent GAAP measures. We've scheduled 45 minutes for today's call. I'll now turn the call over to Chris Crane, Exelon's CEO. Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Good morning. Thanks for joining us this morning. Once again we had a great quarter financially, where we closed near the upper end of the range even with the milder weather. And operationally, our utilities and plants continue to operate at high levels. The big news for the…

Operator

Operator

And we do have audio question from Stephen Byrd (17:13). Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Hey, Steve (17:15).

Unknown Speaker

Management

Start on the Illinois legislation. And wonder if you could speak to the breadth of support that you have for the proposal. And then also if you could just go through the mechanics of if it was implemented, how it'd work? So we can start to think about modeling the impacts. Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Joe, you want to cover that? Joseph Nigro - Executive Vice President, Exelon; Chief Executive Officer, Constellation, Exelon Corp.: Sure. Steve (17:36), the support is the same support we had for the original bill, labor, the host communities. And in addition, we now have the support of some groups that represent climate scientists and others that are concerned with greenhouse gas emissions. In terms of how the program would work, let me just start with a policy analogy that I think all of you are familiar with. Existing state RPS programs for renewables provide compensation of qualified resources through renewable energy credits, RECs. The REC value is the difference between available wholesale revenues and the costs needed to keep the existing renewables in operation and get new renewables built. All this is done in order to get the benefit of greenhouse gas reductions while protecting customers. If wholesale revenues go up, the needed REC payment goes down. We see that happening every day in REC spot markets. The ZEC program is designed the same way. It's a payment for the state value of zero emission credits from nuclear plants which represents the difference between the needed revenues and the costs of operating the plants. In the case of the New York and Illinois programs, the way it would work is that experts at the Commissions will determine on a prospective basis the cost of operating the plants plus risks, less available market revenues. And where there is a delta between that, in other words where the costs and risks are not covered by available market revenues, the ZEC program will kick in and provide compensation for greenhouse gas avoidance. The program is not a PPA or a contractor difference. If revenues or costs are different, there is no true-up. And – so, Steve (19:26), I think if you have additional questions, perhaps after the call we could work with Dan and Emily to set up a meeting, go through more programmatic details.

Unknown Speaker

Management

That's great. That's a great start. Thank you. And then just shifting over to renewables more broadly, could you just speak to your degree of appetite for more acquisitions? It sounds like you'll be a full taxpayer, I believe, in 2019, if I have that correct. But just broadly, what degree of opportunities do you see out there in renewables? Is this an area that you would expect that you'll see further growth in? Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: It is definitely throttled based off of our tax capacity and we are looking at that now. You do get a certain amount of dilution with delaying the benefits of the tax attributes of the project, so we have some projects in the pipeline now and are re-evaluating others to see if they're – they would be viable to go forward in the near-term.

Unknown Speaker

Management

Understood. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Steve Fleishman. Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Hi, Steve.

Steve Fleishman - Wolfe Research LLC

Management

Hi. Good morning. A couple of – first, a logistical question. The Ginna $101 million that you mentioned that you're getting, is that – is kind of a trued-up amount including past years, is that in your guidance for this year? Or is that kind of like a one-time item or how are you treating that? Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: Steve, that's in our guidance.

Steve Fleishman - Wolfe Research LLC

Management

Okay. Including any back from prior periods? Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: That's correct.

Steve Fleishman - Wolfe Research LLC

Management

Okay. And then a question just – is there any way you can give us some sense on the cash flow or losses from Clinton and Quad Cities, let's say, in your guidance for last year or something of that sort? Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: So we've stated that it's greater than $800 million since 2009. There are some variables in there on cash savings going forward or cash losses going forward, power prices coming down, cost cutting initiatives; and we do have an element of overheads that would not be as controllable. So you would see the run rate to be similar to what has happened in the past.

Steve Fleishman - Wolfe Research LLC

Management

Okay. Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Steve, you know, on this point – so for 2017, the cost exceeded available market revenues or at current marks (22:12) by $140 million. But I think importantly and Joe raised this point, it's not the whole picture. The closure also avoids millions of dollars in basis and unit-contingent risks that we face by operating the plants. And stated differently, in order to reverse course we need Illinois as well as New York to provide a structure that allows us to cover our cash costs plus normal operating risks in order to reverse this course.

Steve Fleishman - Wolfe Research LLC

Management

Okay. And $140 million that's kind of cash flow? Does that include like CapEx, or is that just kind of cash flow without CapEx? Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: That's cash flow.

Steve Fleishman - Wolfe Research LLC

Management

Okay. One last question just on the – in the event legislation doesn't happen and you need to shut the plants, what – is there any cost related to that? Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: As you saw in the K, and we reiterate in the Q, there is some unfunded liabilities on the decommissioning trust. Those numbers are in there at full 100% ownership of the plants. And so the way that we would have to handle that is – you know, you can start out with parent guarantees, but you have to have it funded over a 10-year period, I think 60% by the end of the fifth year, and then the rest by the end of the 10 years.

Steve Fleishman - Wolfe Research LLC

Management

Okay. Those numbers in the K are still good then, so that we just can use those? Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: They're updated in the Q. Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: That'll be coming Tuesday.

Steve Fleishman - Wolfe Research LLC

Management

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Jonathan Arnold.

Jonathan Philip Arnold - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Management

Hey, good morning, guys. Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Good Morning. Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: Good Morning.

Jonathan Philip Arnold - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Management

Just to clarify one thing on the current proposal that I think was emerged last night around the legislation. So originally this applies to all nuclear plants in the state, but is it correct that this would just be Clinton and Quad? And can you just explain how that works in terms of the discussion of the ZEC structure? Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Joe? Joseph Nigro - Executive Vice President, Exelon; Chief Executive Officer, Constellation, Exelon Corp.: Sure. Jonathan, all plants could apply, but quite obviously the only plants that would receive revenue under this program would be those where the costs exceed the revenues. And so there is – it's a 20 terawatt-hour cap which has enough room in it to accommodate Clinton and Quad Cities. And our expectation is that Exelon would seek to have those two plants participate. The other plants would not participate.

Jonathan Philip Arnold - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Management

Okay. And that's sort of nuanced in how the legislation's worded effectively? Joseph Nigro - Executive Vice President, Exelon; Chief Executive Officer, Constellation, Exelon Corp.: That's correct.

Jonathan Philip Arnold - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Management

Okay. Joseph Nigro - Executive Vice President, Exelon; Chief Executive Officer, Constellation, Exelon Corp.: It's the same offer to you, Jonathan; if you'd like, after the call, we could sit down and work through some of the details.

Jonathan Philip Arnold - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Management

Okay. That'll be great. And is there any... Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: And, Jonathan, just to interject just to make the clear point, they would provide the opportunity to be compensated for cost plus risk.

Jonathan Philip Arnold - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Management

Okay. That was one thing. The second thing, in your fourth quarter deck, you have this forecast around leverage ratios and the like going out through 2018, which, I believe, was assuming that Pepco would not happen. This was of the ExGen. Can you give us a sense of how that progression would look if you kind of market to the – with Pepco scenario? Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: Sure. So, Jonathan, we still anticipate reducing leverage of ExGen by $3 billion over the five-year planning period, albeit this is not to the extend that we would have under the standalone scenario, because ExGen's free cash flow is now being deployed to help fund PHI's capital spending program. And we'll provide more detail on the puts and takes of that at the Analyst Day in August.

Jonathan Philip Arnold - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Management

So $3 billion is kind of the new ExGen delevering number? Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: That's right. That's over the next five years, we have a large maturity. And I believe it's 2019, that we would look to retire at maturity.

Jonathan Philip Arnold - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Management

Okay. So that's over five years? Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: That's correct.

Jonathan Philip Arnold - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Management

And then the 2.3 ExGen debt-to-EBITDA that you were looking at for 2018, roughly what does that look like now? Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: It, over the five-year period, would go to right around three times.

Jonathan Philip Arnold - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Management

So that's again over five years, rather than three years? Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: That's correct.

Jonathan Philip Arnold - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Management

Okay, great. Thank you. And then I guess you mentioned in the prepared remarks the prices have rebounded... Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: So, Jonathan – sorry, just let me correct, 2.7 times at the end of the five-year period.

Jonathan Philip Arnold - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Management

So whereas you have 2.3 times in 2018, it's now 2.7 times after five years? Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: Yes.

Jonathan Philip Arnold - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Management

Okay, great. Thank you. And then you mentioned that prices have rebounded. So can you give us a rough sense of how the kind of gross margin mark would look if you use more like today's prices? Joseph Nigro - Executive Vice President, Exelon; Chief Executive Officer, Constellation, Exelon Corp.: Yeah. Jonathan, good morning. It's Joe Nigro. I think if you look at our hedge disclosure at the end of the quarter and then factor in the changes since the end of March, you would see all of that drop in 2017 and 2018 being recovered. We've seen an appreciable move, as you know, in prices since the end of March. We're actually higher in NiHub than we were at the end of the year. We're higher at West Hub than we were at the end of the year, so we would have recovered all that drop and probably adding to it. We calculated that a couple of days ago, but the market has continued to move higher, so we probably have seen it actually go over where it ended the quarter.

Jonathan Philip Arnold - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Management

Great. Okay. That's it. Thank you very much, guys. Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Julien Dumoulin-Smith.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Management

Yeah. Hi. Good morning. Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Good morning.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Management

So perhaps to follow up on the same theme, can you elaborate a little bit on the balance of the nuclear portfolio that is ex-Clinton, ex-Quad? How you think about their cash flow profile? And if you don't get this legislation, what the prospects are for further rationalization? I don't mean to jump the gun too much here, but just talking about the future a little bit more? Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: So there's varying cash flows by assets depending on their location. They are positive at this point. If you look at the other units that are more challenged, you're looking at Ginna and Nine Mile. One – we know about Oyster Creek and it's coming up in 2019, the other one that has a real focus on it right now is Three Mile Island.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Management

Got it. And specific to Illinois, is there any commentary around – so let's say we don't get it in 2016 or 2017, does that trigger another set of reviews? Again, not to push it too much. Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: At this point we'll have to watch the capacity auction clearing in the out years. It's tight on energy at some of the assets, but they are positive.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Management

Got it. Okay, great. And then turning back to the utilities real quickly, can you comment, or I'm curious, if you will, what the earned ROEs embedded at Pepco for 2016 – just what's the baseline on the Pepco side as far as you see it post the close? Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: Julien, in terms of – I think we included it on slide, I believe it's 30, the earned for 2015. Obviously, while we're in the pendency period during the rate cases that – obviously, there's regulatory lag, so we're going to see that decline, but we'll have a much deeper dive in the PHI as part of the August 10 meeting. You can see on slide 29 the rate base statistics and I think can work through some assumptions on regulatory lag using that information.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Management

Got it. And perhaps not to jump the gun too much on the Analyst Day, but what is the thought process on the baseline for a future regulated CAGR? Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: I think the thought is the 7% to 9% that we confirmed on the call and PHI is absolutely consistent with that expectation. We, as we mentioned, are seeing improvement relative to what we forecasted or projected at EEI using PHI's internal forecast. And Dennis and team continue to work to identify further opportunities around efficiency as well as regulatory policy to work to get those earned and allowed ROEs in line with the success we've experienced within Maryland, Pennsylvania and Illinois.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Management

Got it. You wouldn't roll it forward though? Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: I'm not certain I understand what do you mean roll it forward?

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Management

The 7% to 9%, just roll it forward to CAGR off a 2016 base? Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: We'll address that at the Analyst Day.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Management

All right. No worries. Thank you. Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: I mean, embedded in there is 7% to 9% through 2018, so just thinking it through, it's in there.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith - UBS Securities LLC

Management

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Brian Chen (32:25). Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Hey, Brian (32:30).

Unknown Speaker

Management

Going over to slide 13, the EPS impact that you've laid out in that top table, I just want to verify that that is not including the use of capital from that positive cash flow impact that you've got on the second row right? Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: That's right, Brian (32:46).

Unknown Speaker

Management

Okay. Great. And then I just want to verify that Quad Cities didn't clear in the 2018 and 2019 auction, correct? So the closure of Quad Cities shouldn't have any sort of residual obligation that you have for the 2018, 2019 capacity through (33:03)? Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: That's correct.

Unknown Speaker

Management

Great. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

And your next audio question comes from Praful Mehta.

Praful Mehta - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Broker

Hi, guys. Christopher M. Crane - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Good morning.

Praful Mehta - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Broker

Good morning. So just on the leverage a little bit, just to ensure we understand both at the holding company level and at ExGen. You've kind of talked about the ExGen debt and what you see over the 20 – the five year period. How are you looking at holding company debt given the leverage you've assumed post Pepco transactions? Is there any objective to delever a little bit at the holding company as well? Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: So Praful, as you've heard us comment in the past, we do target at 20% FFO to debt on a consolidated basis and that was one of the benefits of adding PHI to the Exelon family. And so we will certainly be looking at our leverage ratios at the GenCo. I think you'll also see us consider to the extend we have available cash at the holding company as well, we just need to see as we get further out what the realized power prices are and what the free cash flow coming off of the GenCo is in those five years.

Praful Mehta - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Broker

Got you. And just so if you think about from the sources/uses perspective, the source is primarily out of ExGen coming to fund CapEx at the utilities and then deleveraging both at ExGen and the parent. Is that a fair way to think of it or is there some cash generation coming out of the utilities as well over the next two year, three year period? Jonathan W. Thayer - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Executive VP: I would say, on a net basis, utilities are consumers of cash. So you're correct. That ExGen cash flow as well as debt raise at the utilities is the primary source for funding the significant CapEx that we see, $25 billion over the next five years at the utilities.

Praful Mehta - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Broker

Got you. Thank you. And then just finally, we saw that the power new business and the to-go business, the EBITDA, or the growth margin of that is going from $250 million in 2016 up to about a $1 billion by 2018. Could you just give us a little bit of context of what's driving that significant ramp-up in that side of the business? Joseph Nigro - Executive Vice President, Exelon; Chief Executive Officer, Constellation, Exelon Corp.: Yeah. Hi. It's Joe Nigro. That's pretty standard shape that we have. If you go back and look at disclosures over the years, you would expect to see much less new business in the prompt years – in the prompt year, in this case 2016, than you would in the out years, for example, in 2017 and 2018. Embedded in that power new business is things like the execution of our retail business and the margins associated with that. So as we get closer to the swap period more and more of those contracts get layered in, we begin to reduce that bucket of power new business. I mean, there's other elements of our business that follow that same timing shape, so this isn't unique in the sense of seeing a ramp up between the prompt year to two years forward and we're very comfortable with the numbers that we've put out there.

Praful Mehta - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Broker

Got you. Thank you so much guys.

Operator

Operator

And this does conclude today's conference call. You may now disconnect.