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Elemental Royalty Corporation Common Stock (ELE)

Q2 2024 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 20, 2024

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Joanne Jobin

Operator

Good morning, everyone. And how are you today? I'm Joanne Jobin. I am your VID host with VID Media. And today we are welcoming Elemental Altus Royalties on their very First Quarterly Investor Town Hall Forum. Before we commence, this is just a reminder that if you do have any questions for the company, please place them in the Q&A tab located at the top of this screen. After the presentation, I will be delighted to moderate the questions submitted by our audience. With us this morning, I am delighted to introduce CEO, Frederick Bell and CFO, David Baker, who will take you through the highlights of the most recent quarterly results. Fred, the stage is yours.

Frederick Bell

Analyst

Thank you very much, Joanne, and thank you everyone for joining us today. And this is our First Quarterly Investor Call we've done for a while, so very pleased to put it together and we'll do it going forward to try and give shareholders and potential investors a better guide to the company and really an explanation of some of the results as we go forward. At any point, if there are questions, we'll hopefully just keep them in mind. And then we can come back to them at the end of the presentation and try and address anything that's there. So in terms of the slides here, if we move on to the first slide here and note we're going to be making forward-looking statements, there's a disclaimer there. And the two presenters from the company today are myself, Frederick Bell, and David Baker, who is our CFO, and we'll really run through the results today with you. So starting on – if we turn to the next slide, thank you. The second quarter -- look, the real highlight here is we had strong royalty revenue of [2.2%] (ph) revenue of $5.2 million, which is about a 10% increase on Q2 2023. It's the -- I believe, the second highest adjusted revenue number quarterly in the company's history. And as we continue to grow from 2023, 2024, going into 2025, we expect to continue to get really solid quarters growing along that period. In terms of adjusted EBITDA stands at $3.4 million, which is about up 4% from Q2 2023, respective period, and margins improving towards pre-merger levels. In terms of gold equivalent ounces, that's GEOs. We have 2,211 ounces. And for the half year to the end of June, that is 4,415 ounces. We expect to meet the…

David Baker

Analyst

Perfect, thanks Fred. Just in terms of the financial overview, GEOs for the quarter came in at 2,211 ounces translating to $5.2 million of adjusted revenue. That's up 10% year-on-year. Revenue for H1 was $9.9 million and that's up 16% year-on-year. I think we're a little bit unlucky just in terms of the timing of production versus sales at some of our key royalties, but we'd expect that to pick up in Q3. This translated into a modest increase in EBITDA for the quarter, but clearly a material increase in EBITDA compared with H1 2023. The reason for that modest increase in Q2 is that we've tidied up some of the non-cash accruals in the period and then we're going to release those over the remainder of 2022 and 2025. Then also we've had some changes within the management team and some one-off costs associated with the disposal of the exploration business. So we'd expect to get those margins to improve over time and we'll talk to that later. Operating cash flow, likewise, affected by one-off costs around departure costs of senior management and also the timing of audit, accounting and tax invoices that we go through. I expect that to normalize significantly through H2. Would note that as a result of the growth in the business and optimisations post-merger and disposal of the exploration business, that net loss for the quarter is over 90% lower than this time last year and I look forward to that improving in the future. I think an underestimated asset to the company is the expected $19.2 million of milestone payments that we are expecting to come through 2024 and early 2025. And that will significantly bolster our financial position. In H1 2024 we've already received $0.3 million in cash and $2.3 million in…

Frederick Bell

Analyst

Yep, thank you, Dave. And Joanne, if there's any questions.

A - Joanne Jobin

Analyst

Yeah. Thank you very much. Yes, thank you very much, gentlemen, for a great update. We certainly have a full international house with us this morning. So thank you to the audience for taking the time to participate on this call. Now before we take questions, just a reminder to please place the questions that you do have into the Q&A tab located at the top of your screen. And the first question for today is, given the low stock price, sorry to have such a difficult question for the first one, we're going to start. Given the low stock price, when can we expect management to purchase some shares? Great question.

Frederick Bell

Analyst

Yeah, look, a very good question. I think, unfortunately, we often are deemed inside for various reasons, and sometimes that is -- as it is currently due to the accounts. So there is a two-week period before the accounts are out where we're not allowed to trade and often before that it is due to potential transactions we're working on. So we've actually been in a pretty prolonged period restricting our ability to [buy shares] (ph). I think all else being equal, you know, in theory, we should be in the clear from 24 hours from today, so I think effectively from tomorrow. But obviously, that is often subject, I think, where we sit today. Look, I would, on a personal level, I think we're extremely undervalued, and I think that without the restrictions of insider period and trading regulations, I think definitely would be an attractive time to acquire shares both for individuals and on a personal level.

Joanne Jobin

Operator

Thank you. Have you considered paying a dividend?

Frederick Bell

Analyst

So the short answer is yes. I think we actually said earlier this year that we were looking, we were continuing to look internally at a number of different options and they incorporated paying down the debt, which we've paid down $10 million or so far this year, and also initiating a dividend, and also potentially a normal course issue a bid, so putting in place the ability to buy back shares in the market. So we have been evaluating internally all of those, and I think our anticipation is, as our expectation is, that -- as we continue to generate free cash flow and we have more money abilities to deploy. If we're not putting that into acquisitions we will be putting it into paying down the debt or initiating a dividend or doing a buyback. So all three of those have been on the cards and we've started in a material way on the debt side, which also decreases our cost of debt going forward, improves our margin, and improves our ability to then look at options like dividends and running buying back shares in the future. So short answer again is all of those under consideration and we're being active on the first one paying down the debt so far this year.

Joanne Jobin

Operator

Thank you. Now the next one's a two-part question. So can you walk us through some of the opportunities that you are seeing without spilling any state secrets of course? And are you interested in continuing to branch out into critical metals or base metals as you have recently with Tungsten.

Frederick Bell

Analyst

So I might answer the second part of that question first on the commodity mix and then pass over to Dave to talk to some of the opportunities that we're seeing and looking at. I think in terms of the commodity look we are approximately still call it 75% gold precious metals and 25% copper order of magnitude. So we really are focused on maintaining a balance similar to that. Sometimes where we have opportunities elsewhere, particularly value opportunities such as what we saw with the Tungsten asset earlier this year. We will take advantage of those. And I would remind some of our shareholders and investors who maybe aren't familiar that one of the early royalties we acquired was a Mineral Sands royalty. That commodity-wise wasn't necessarily what we're looking for, but it delivered a 40% IRR on an asset that went into production that was really good quality. So I think for us, focus is on gold and copper as a primary commodities, but where we see exceptional value and where we see a real opportunity to generate returns, we're a big enough company now that we can do transactions like the Tungsten acquisition very recently that won't change significantly the weighting of the portfolio, but we think we'll deliver really good returns going forward. And maybe that will pass over to Dave to talk about some of the deals that we've been looking at currently.

David Baker

Analyst

Yeah, thanks Fred. Yeah, so just reiterating what Fred said, I think gold is very important to us. It's important to be gold-focused. We also have very strong beliefs in copper and the long-term fundamentals there. But we will go outside those parameters are very much on returns basis. We look at everything, so whether that's individual royalties, whether that's a package of royalties as part of a larger or smaller portfolio, whether that's corporate deals as well. And again, just really trying to target the best quality assets for the best quality operators and the best quality jurisdictions. So yeah, we've got a very broad remit, but I think still the focus is definitely on gold, as near-term production as possible, with obviously looking at copper and maybe other metals on very much on this to combined them on a [deep discounted] (ph) basis.

Joanne Jobin

Operator

And what is focus doing on this project as their disclosure is not the best?

Frederick Bell

Analyst

Yeah, so look, maybe a quick background on longer-term for those who aren't familiar. It's a significant land package that we have in Western Australia, and it is just to the north of a major goldfields mine and to the east of another gold mine operated by Genesis Minerals. So it's a historical mining town. It has been mined historically. We bought royalties there covering a number of deposits, the principal ones being Beasley Creek and Lancefield. And two slightly different deposits. Beasley Creek is high-grade oxide, near surface, within tracking distance of two mills. And Lancefield was a top 10 underground gold mine in West Australia in the 1990s, 10,000 ounces per vertical meter. So a really significant mine. And it hasn't had any exploration since 1999. So that royalty is not producing at present. In our view, the primary reason it's probably not producing is because the operator ASX Focus Minerals, is majority owned by Chinese, I think, [parastatal] (ph), Shandong. And they have recently built and started mining the other gold project they have in Western Australia [indiscernible]. And so Laverton hasn't been a focus. I think for us, we see that as one of the assets that in due course is going to be really material and really valuable. And I think in the hands particularly of the right operator, Lancefield has the potential to be a very material mine going into the future. It certainly was in the past. So for us, you're right, limited disclosure from the operator being majority Chinese owned and we don't get as much visibility as we like. That said, some of the team were just in Perth and Kalgoorlie recently at a conference and we were able to get some updates there from operators in the region on the outlook and how they see it. And I think our view is that at current gold prices that asset is increasingly attractive and in demand from some of the mid-tier Australian gold miners.

Joanne Jobin

Operator

Thank you and current gold prices indeed. Next question, are there additional opportunities to increase your ownership in SLM California?

Frederick Bell

Analyst

And maybe I can pass this question over to Dave as well, just to run through that.

David Baker

Analyst

Yeah, absolutely, great question. As you know, we hold our shares in SLM California, but directly and then also with a joint venture with our friends at EMX. EMX also have done a deal on some of those shares with Franco-Nevada. So clearly a royalty that's in great demand and obviously now under great new ownership with the Lundin mining, taking themselves to 70%. There is a small amount of SLM California available still, but yeah, we haven't been able to get there on evaluation that we're comfortable with. It's certainly something that we are always reviewing.

Joanne Jobin

Operator

Thank you, David. Next question. Would 100% of the expected 2025 and 2026 production at Bonikro be on your royalty land?

David Baker

Analyst

Yeah, I can jump in. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so the real change in Bonikro is that Allied have moved from mining the satellite pits mostly at Hirae outside of the area. Our royalty is an area, a gigantic area, around pushback 5, which is in the main pit. And then before you saw that material uplift in Q4 2023, we'd only really been getting material in small development or from there as they were pushing back the open pit. Now they are nearly entirely into the main pit. Yes, we're expecting to see most of Bonikro's production coming from the royalty area. I think encouragingly the commentary that we've seen from allied is as they push back they're getting, they're uncovering increasingly higher grade material. So this is going to be a material contributor to our earnings for the next couple of years.

Joanne Jobin

Operator

Excellent. Next question regarding prospect generation. And is it part of the strategy going forward, or is that something that is now in the past?

Frederick Bell

Analyst

Yeah, it's a good question again. And for context for everyone, Elemental Altus emerged at the end of 2022 and we had what was then quite a significant, effectively prospect generation arm in the business. And some of the transactions we've done over the last 18 months, partnering our ground in Egypt with In2Metals, who we referenced earlier during the presentation, selling the Diba project, which we've referred to a number of times to Allied Gold, who operated the adjacent mine and bringing that into production, selling the Ethiopian portfolio to ANS, and putting the Moroccan assets into Aterian. The purpose on a lot of those trends is really to realize the value in the underlying assets, and in some cases to take them to the next stage of production, and in other cases, to put them in the hands of well-financed partners who could commit more capital and expenditure to them than we could. And so, look, that was the real rationale in terms of those transactions. And one of the benefits they alluded to earlier in this presentation was also the parallel reduction in corporate costs and G&A that we increasingly have as a result of partnering those assets and projects. So from our perspective, the real focus is being on royalties and continuing to add to the portfolio there. We have kept an eye on opportunities, probably partly to work with prospect generators as well and identifying teams who have that core skill set that or a specific knowledge in a region or location where they can have a competitive advantage and drive value. So we've spoken to some groups in terms of helping them start that and us taking a royalty on it and others. And working with counterparties to partner on opportunities there. But in the short-term, the immediate focus is on the royalty side.

Joanne Jobin

Operator

Thank you. We've been getting a lot of questions about the share price. So I'm just going to ask a general question. Can you please comment on your share price performance compared to your peers?

Frederick Bell

Analyst

Yes, I think our share price has come off. It's in terms of the junior gold royalty companies, I think we've come off broadly in-line with those. Certainly in terms of if you look at our underlying performance from a financial perspective, this is the second highest quarter of revenue the companies had. And in actual, in terms of operational performance, it wasn't the strongest quarter that we've had. So I think that's really encouraging because from an operator perspective, maintaining guidance, we're actually expecting to see better quarters than the one we've just had into an increasingly high gold price environment at the same time as -- again, we've guided you before. We are going to have lower costs on the G&A front. So from a revenue perspective, from a financial position perspective, with its strongest would be I think in many years, which is paying down $10 million of debt in the first half of this year and making an acquisition recently that was fully financed from cash on hand, not needed to go to the market. So from that perspective, I think the share price today is not at all reflective of the underlying fundamentals of the business. And look, I think we recognize that there is limited liquidity in the market and in an environment where there is limited liquidity. You know, often you see that share price weakness, it doesn't take a lot to impact it down, but I don't think that's driven by the fundamentals of the business. If you look at it on a revenue per share basis, I think we're almost at the highest on a revenue per share basis that the company's been in, certainly for a number of years. But in addition to that, we have more exposure through our pipeline and through our wider portfolio than we have ever had by a very significant margin in terms of the broader portfolio. So on a per share basis, on an overall company perspective, financial benefit, we're ticking a lot of boxes in terms of strength. I know it's, you know, frustrating when the share price doesn't match up to that. And to the earlier question from somebody around management and insider buying, you know, again, I think where and when we're able to, more especially than ever at the current price, I think we'd love to take advantage of it. And we've just got to find a window where we are able to do that. And looking in terms of the broader portfolio and where we are with share price, I think that's also why one of the topics under discussion internally is putting in place a normal core [indiscernible] a bid, potentially with the opportunity to buy back shares when it does in our opinion, reach a valuation that is sufficiently attractive for us to go out there and we are actually delivering really good returns by buying back shares. So I hope that addresses the question.

Joanne Jobin

Operator

Excellent. And you mentioned this unprecedented revenue growth in the first half of the year. Do you expect to see that continue?

Frederick Bell

Analyst

Yeah, maybe Dave can probably talk about that quite a lot.

David Baker

Analyst

Yeah, absolutely. So, I mean, aside from a fantastic gold price performance through the year. So I think, at the start of the year we were talking $2,000 gold and it looks like it's powered past [$2,550] (ph) gold which is definitely helping all of us. We've had a couple of new royalties come online, the key one there being Bonikro. And that now has three full quarters in the royalty area. So we'd expect that's paying us over around $1 million a quarter. Yeah, the real uplift that we'd expect in the second half of the year is also an allied mine. And that's Diba, which is a satellite deposit to Sadiola. And again, we're still waiting for exact guidance from allied there, but they're talking to material contributions to Sadiola's revenue there. So yeah, we'd expect significant growth in the second half of the year. And we talked to our guides, they waited to the second half of the year. So looking forward to that to continue both in terms of ounces and in terms of dollars.

Joanne Jobin

Operator

Excellent. And let's talk about paying down debt as you alluded to before. Do you intend to keep paying down the debt at the same rate that you have been for accelerating it?

David Baker

Analyst

Yes, I'm very, very, very pleased that we've been able to repay $10 million in the first half of the year, five in each quarter. I think we certainly look to the facility, which is an extremely low cost from National Bank and CIBC, so it's like a plus 3% currently at the moment. So it's one of the advantages we have with our revenue-backed asset portfolios that we are able to access these low-cost, non-dilutive sources of finance from mainstream commercial Canadian banks. But yeah, I think definitely the view is to use it as a true revolving facility. And so additional cash will be paid down into the revolver and then we take it out as we need it for transactions.

Joanne Jobin

Operator

Excellent. And there's been a few comments on your G&A costs and future expectations. Can you comment on that, please?

David Baker

Analyst

Yeah, absolutely. So we've had a couple of one-off costs and that's really mostly around departure costs of senior management and the disposal of the exploration business and the monetisation of the exploration business. I think now we're really through the majority of that. And so I think what we'll see going forward is a much lower G&A than we've historically recorded. Now it's just the team is now very stable. I've got it in place to grow the business. So I think year-on-year we'll see it lower and then I'd expect it to be lower again through 2020.

Joanne Jobin

Operator

Excellent. Next question. Are there any lithium minerals documented?

Frederick Bell

Analyst

Look, as far as – it's not something we're focused on. I think locally really – the Tungsten asset -- we've really bought that for the Tungsten deposit that historically has been explored and also been through six years, seven years of permitting. So that was the prime driver, and we haven't focused on any other communities yet.

Joanne Jobin

Operator

Okay, the next question has to do, again, with royalty generation, which you have answered, but the bulk of the question is some of your peers have royalties on significant discoveries like silicon Do any of your assets have significant exploration potential?

Frederick Bell

Analyst

The short answer to that is absolutely. I think probably two that we mentioned that are at a very early stage, but really high discovery potential, the royalty we have on the HCK project in Rwanda, and that is a project that Rio Tinto recently did country entry, and Rio Tinto, second largest miner in the world, recently did country entry into Rwanda to JV this project specifically. And you saw the chairman of Rio Tinto going to Rwanda meeting the President. So that is an unusual step for one of the majors to take in regards to into a brand new unexplored project. But it is a highly prospective lithium-pegmatite, never explored previously in Rwanda. So that really helps discovery potential. And I think our understanding is they're going to be drilling later this year, which for us is pretty material in terms of seeing what the upside and discovery potential is on that royalty. And then the second one, and we did reference it as well, is Egypt. And at the time, we did the deal with In2Metals on our Egyptian portfolio. We held approximately 2,000 square metres of ground in Egypt. So I think we were the third or fourth biggest license holder in Egypt after Centamin. It's a major operator there and some for majors. So that is a very material land holding in a region that is exceedingly underexplored historically. And what we have as a partner In2Metals, is we have a group that is private. They are funded. They completed their first drill program, I believe, before they had a full website up and running. So the emphasis and the money is really being spent in the ground with a really strong technical team. And they don't need to go out marketing and they…

Joanne Jobin

Operator

Excellent. Would you consider alternative financing structures, such as convertible debt, that provide optionality for both the company and the investors?

Frederick Bell

Analyst

Again, maybe a good one for Dave to [pick up on] (ph).

David Baker

Analyst

Yeah. I think we're certainly well supported with the financing that we've used to-date. So whether that was in the early days of the company, two facilities with [Private landholding] (ph) which was incredibly flexible and got us to a point to acquire some incredible assets, reducing dilution to our shareholders of time, then graduating to senior bank debt with, as I said, with National Bank and CIBC. Now, they've been incredibly supportive at, I think a very, very low cost of capital. As I said, SOFR plus [3%] (ph). So that would certainly be much lower than cost of capital to the company than other sort of more mezzanine products. I think we've also been strongly using our equity at the right point in time as well. So for example the cactus royalty that we acquired from RCF over Arizona Sonoran Cactus Project in Arizona, the RCF were very keen to participate as shareholders of the company and have been very supportive since. So I think thankfully because of the quality of the portfolio and that we're well beyond $20 million of revenue now and should be generating material cash flows going forward, we don't have to -- have a look at our alternative options. You know, it can just be the lowest possible cost of capital and least dilution to existing shareholders to grow.

Joanne Jobin

Operator

Excellent. And the last question of the day, as we are at the top of the hour, what do you feel is missing or lacking in the current portfolio? In other words, what are you looking for in your next transaction or transactions?

Frederick Bell

Analyst

Look, we've all got a lot of strong views on the opportunities and ideas out there. We have, I think, what we regard internally as two cornerstone assets at this stage that are in production in Caserones and Karlawinda. So I think we are always looking to add another. And alongside that, I think we've started really in the last 18 months to bring in some high quality development, advanced exploration projects into that pipeline as well. And there's a few of those we've spoken to over the course of today. But I think for us, being able to continue to add revenue into the portfolio at the same time as bringing in development assets and strengthening the pipeline, and always keeping an eye out for something that we've probably passed, as a really cornerstone, long-term cornerstone asset for the company. So I think those criteria are some of the key things we look for and Dave, if you would add anything from that or do you think it covers it?

David Baker

Analyst

No, I think it's exactly right, Fred. I think as you said, we don't need to go out and chase revenue, we don't need to go out and overpay for revenue. We've got an excellent base of assets. As Fred said, very heavily weighted to two excellent assets in tier 1 jurisdictions operated by absolutely world-class mining companies. I think what we are looking to do is leverage that base and I think we've probably been looking to build out that pipeline a little bit more where valuations are more accurate but then obviously looking to get surprise on the upside for example with cactus and the recent PEA, which we think has materially improved the economics of the project. So I think that's really what we are looking forward to most is how we can use the base that we have to grow the company and go after the next kind of asset.

Joanne Jobin

Operator

Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. As we are at the top of the hour, we will now end the Q&A session. If you have any other questions, please forward them directly to management. Fred, would you like to say a few words to your viewers before we sign off today?

Frederick Bell

Analyst

Well, thank you very much first of all for everyone for taking the time to attend. I think we will continue doing quarterly calls going forward and hopefully set a regular consistent cadence of that and as part of an initiative to I think coming into September and as people are coming back to the office after some holidays, I think really try and get the story out there and market the story, help the stock, because what we've got is an underlying fundamental business is really strong. It continues to be getting stronger with every month and every quarter that goes by. And look, put this in a really good position to be able to make good choices between new acquisitions, paying down debt, dividends, buying back shares, all of the above. So I think thank you all for your time and patience and look forward to staying in touch and please do feel free to email us if you have any questions. We always say that at the end of calls and meetings, and we're really sincere in saying that we'd like to hear from shareholders, and any feedback you can give us, always welcome. So please feel free to reach out if you do have anything you'd like to ask. Thanks again.

Joanne Jobin

Operator

Thank you very much, gentlemen. And just a reminder that this town hall will be available on the company's website for replay and across all of our socials within the next 24 hours. Before we sign off, please ensure that you fill in the short questionnaire at the end of the presentation. This helps us and the company communicate more effectively with you in the future. Thank you for joining us. And we will...