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Eldorado Gold Corporation (EGO)

Q3 2012 Earnings Call· Fri, Oct 26, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Eldorado Gold Corporation Third Quarter Results Conference Call. This call is also being webcast and is available on the Eldorado Gold website at www.eldoradogold.com. I would like to turn the meeting over to Ms. Nancy Woo. Please go ahead, Ms. Woo.

Nancy E. Woo

Management

Thank you, operator. This presentation includes statements that may constitute forward-looking statements or information. Any forward-looking statements made and information provided reflect our current plans, estimates and views. Forward-looking statements or information, which include all statements that are not historical facts, are based on certain material factors and assumptions and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated in or suggested by the forward-looking statements or information. Consequently, undue reliance should not be placed on these forward-looking statements and information. The information contained in our annual information form and in our annual quarterly management discussion and analysis available on our website and on SEDAR identifies factors and assumptions upon which the forward-looking statements or information are based on and the risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ. All forward-looking statements and information made or provided during this presentation are expressed qualified in their entirety by this cautionary statement and the cautionary statement contained in our press release dated October 26, 2012. I will now turn the call over to Paul Wright, CEO of Eldorado Gold.

Paul N. Wright

Management

Okay. Thank you, Nancy, and good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Eldorado Gold's Third Quarter Financial and Operating Results Conference Call. Joining me this morning in Vancouver are Fabiana Chubbs, Chief Financial Officer; Paul Skayman, Chief Operating Officer; and Nancy Woo, Vice President of Investor Relations. Paul will be substituting for Norm Pitcher on this call on operations, as Norm is busy in China this week. We will follow with the usual format, with Paul providing operational commentary on the quarter just passed and then outlook for the balance of the year, whilst Fabby will cover the highlights of the quarter's financial statements. We will then open it up for questions. Production in the quarter of 169,565 ounces at cash operating cost of $493 an ounce and earnings of $0.11 per share were largely in line with our own internal expectations for the quarter. We benefited from a strong performance at the Kisladag mine in Turkey, and were somewhat negatively affected by an exceptionally high rainfall event in Jinfeng, which impacted grade produced from the open pit in the quarter and the result, lowered production and heightened cost in the quarter. Efemçukuru mine and mill are now running at designed capacity with an excess of 93,000 tonnes mined and processed in the month, producing gold and concentrate of approximately 27,000 ounces. Continued lower-than-planned recoveries from the concentrate -- at the concentrate -- Kisladag concentrate treatment plant that is early -- sorry, low to mid-80s percent recoveries versus low 90s, combined with favorable concentrate treatment terms have prompted us to temporarily cease production at the KCTP and sell concentrate in the market until modifications are made to improve recoveries. We will be making our first shipment in early November and anticipate making weekly shipments of concentrate with the objective…

Paul J. Skayman

Management

Thanks, Paul. Good morning, everyone. I'll start with operations. Now, Kisladag had another good quarter, 83,000, 750,000 -- 800 -- I'll start that again. 83,750 ounces sold for the quarter. That brings the year-to-date numbers to budget levels. Cash costs are low at $335 an ounce due to high-grade material being placed on the pad. Tanjianshan continues to perform on budget with 28,900 ounces being sold at $396 per ounce and no real operational issues there. At Jinfeng, we produced 25,821 ounces at $946 per ounce. Year-to-date, Jinfeng is ahead of our budget on an ounce at end [ph] cost. The project experienced significant rainfall during the quarter, affected our road access and limited our ability to remove high-grade material from the open pit. Virtually, we see -- or got 224 millimeters of rain in a day and the monthly average is 240. The shortfall in tonnes is being made up from low-grade stock piles and the cutback in the open pit continues. The underground performed on plan for the quarter. High costs were mainly due to the removal of low-grade material from the stockpile and inventory adjustments because of this material. At White Mountain, we produced 16,342 ounces of gold at $766. Costs were higher than planned as we mined lower grades during the quarter. Grades are expected to improve slightly in Q4, and cash costs were higher than planned due to the lower head grades along with increased backdoor placement. Efemçukuru mine, as Paul said, is -- mine and treatment plants are now performing on budget, nearly 94,000 tonnes of ore processed at 9.3 and placed 27,000 ounces of material into concentrate. The KCTP is currently not running. We're working at what changes need to be made based on the operating data we've gained during 2012. More recently,…

Fabiana E. Chubbs

Management

Thank you, Paul, and good morning, everyone. I will go through the financial statements, highlighting changes in significant accounts. Commencing with the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with a cash and cash equivalent balance of $271 million compared to a balance of $394 million at the end of 2011. The $123 million decrease in cash is mainly related to the usage of cash in our capital program $304 million and dividend payments of $93 million, offset by cash flows generating from operating activities. The $52 million increase in inventories relates mainly to the buildup of concentrate inventory that essentially grew. Sales of these commercial production concentrate will start in Q4. On the liability side, our debt balance increased $15 million as a result of a $50 million drawdown on our credit facility and the repayment of $35 million of our debt with Chinese banks. We continue to accelerate the principal payment on our Chinese debt and anticipate the repayment of an additional $35 million during Q4 of this year. The acquisition of European Goldfields, completed in Q1 of this year, had a substantial impact on our property, plant and equipment balance, which increased by $3 billion; goodwill, which increased by $303 million; and accounts payable, which increased by $100 million; and deferred income taxes, which increased by $542 million. Moving on to the income statement. Net income attributable to shareholders of the company was $76 million or $0.11 per share, compared to $103 million or $0.19 per share in the third quarter of 2011, representing a decrease of 26%. The decrease in the net income year-over-year was due to lower gross profits from gold mining operations, as well as higher general and administrative expenses and exploration expenses. Revenue from gold sales for the quarter of $259 million were down…

Paul N. Wright

Operator

Thank you, Fabby, and thank you, Paul. Operator, we'll open up for questions, please.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your first question is from Dan Rollins from RBC Capital Markets.

Dan Rollins - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Paul, I was wondering if you could provide a little bit of insight into the permitting process at Eastern Dragon. With the permits expected to be submitted by the end of the year, do you have any indication how long it might take to get approval?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

No. Well, look, I mean, one of the reasons, obviously, that Norm is not with us with this week is that we're working hard with the government agencies to ensure that the file that presently resides at PDRC is indeed submitted to NDRC before the end of the quarter. Once that file is submitted and the meetings are held, we'll then have a better sense as to what the route of travel is going to be. But I'm afraid that's where we are down until -- let's say, until we actually have active engagement with NDRC, it's difficult to know what the timeline's going to be.

Dan Rollins - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

And just maybe just on Jinfeng, when do you expect to be -- when do you expect mining in the open pit to sort of get back to the steady state level and therefore, you won't be pulling from the low-grade stockpiles? Is that another 3 or 6 months out?

Paul J. Skayman

Management

Yes. Probably 6 months out. We're looking at -- we're a little ahead in terms of waste stripping. We're looking at getting back into those tonnes in Q2 next year.

Dan Rollins - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

All right, perfect. And then maybe, Paul, just you commented on the mine site tour, that you sort of gave a range of estimates for the payable levels and cost on the treatment in -- I guess, on the terms of the Efemçukuru concentrate sales, is that -- what you told us on that tour, is that basically the same as what you're getting now in this contract?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

Yes, pretty well. Look, we're looking -- we're getting payabilities in the low 90s and the effective cost -- as you appreciate that, we've got concentrate with different grades, but if you sort of bulk it out based on the inventory and the grade of the inventory right now, it translates to about $70 an ounce of costs, which -- that's the cost of shipping and treatment, which is, to be frank, is very close to what we were looking at in terms of transporting the concentrate to Kisladag and the running costs at Kisladag. So it's basically -- essentially same as what would -- we would have realized if we had been operating KCTP to design.

Dan Rollins - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Okay. And then were you expecting still to ship the majority of that in Q4? Or is it more of a Q1, Q2 event now?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

No, we're pushing really hard now to try to get as much as we can out by the end of the year. I mean there are boats -- basically, there's a boat a week that goes out of Izmir Port, and we're working to basically secure space on each boat, and we'll be doing that until we catch up. Paul has given some guidance as to the 40,000 ounces as a target by the end of the year. We -- crudely speaking, Dan, I mean, we're -- we ended the quarter at 51,000 ounces. We're -- in the final quarter, we'll probably generate another sort of 28,000 to 30,000 ounces and then we're -- because we're at the full run rate for the mine. And it's -- the objective really is to get finally caught up probably by the end of the first quarter. Because, again, we keep making concentrate daily as well, so.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Anita Soni from Credit Suisse. Anita Soni - Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division: My question is with regards to strip ratios, probably for Paul. The strip ratio at Kisladag, could you give me an idea what that was this quarter?

Paul J. Skayman

Management

Yes. Strip ratio this quarter was 1.8:1, which is a little higher than budget but on-line for the year sort of thing. Anita Soni - Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division: And then, I guess, at Jinfeng, you mentioned that you were going to get back into the, I guess, the open pit ore. Can you give us a split of how much was open pit and underground at Jinfeng or sort of waste stockpiling in underground this quarter?

Paul J. Skayman

Management

In Q3, 70% came from underground. 5% came from the pit, with 25% from the stockpile.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Joung Park from Morningstar.

Joung Park - Morningstar Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Morningstar

At Jinfeng, once we get past the stockpiles in Q2 of next year like you mentioned, what would production and costs look like once that happens?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

Well, look, I mean, we'll be giving you guidance, detailed guidance, early in the new year for the year. So I mean, I can give them -- you can look to the guidance that we have in our corporate plan for next year, but that's -- we can't really improve upon that. We're in -- as you appreciate, we're in the budgeting process right now, and we'll be looking to finalize budgets and plans in mid-December and giving guidance early in the new year.

Joung Park - Morningstar Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Morningstar

Okay, fair enough. And...

Paul N. Wright

Operator

I mean, we -- Jinfeng for this year was always viewed as being a low-production year and a high-cost year because of the reasons that we've described historically, that is, our dependence on the low-grade stockpile for a significant part of the production feed. Certainly, we don't see ourselves being that dependent on the stockpile next year.

Joung Park - Morningstar Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Morningstar

Sure. And then on Kisladag, can you remind me, do you guys have the permits already to ramp up to the 25 million tonnes per year? Or are you still operating with the smaller 12.5 million tonne permit?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

No. We're operating at -- with the permits that allow us to operate at 12.5 million tonnes a year. We are applying for what will be our second supplementary EIA. We expect that application towards the end of the year and approval by mid next year. A lot of the expansion is within the existing permitted boundary and as such is -- those activities are continuing. Engineering, procurement of equipment is continuing and that with the timeline, let's say, in terms of obtaining final approval for the expansion itself is mid next year, and that timing doesn't impact on our expansion schedule.

Joung Park - Morningstar Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Morningstar

Okay. And -- but would that potentially impact Q4 given the strong ore production during the first 9 months?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

No. No, I mean, we -- Kisladag is basically in accordance with plan right now. I mean if you look at -- as I am glancing at our daily sheet, we're literally within 1,000 ounces year-to-date of where we expect to be.

Joung Park - Morningstar Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Morningstar

Okay. I guess, I was referring more to the tonnes of ore placed on the pads.

Paul J. Skayman

Management

Tonnes of ore will be 12.5 million.

Paul N. Wright

Operator

12.5 million tonnes, exactly.

Paul J. Skayman

Management

We kept at that and we'll place all of that.

Joung Park - Morningstar Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Morningstar

Okay, sure. And then final question. So, Certej got the environmental permit during the quarter, so congrats on that. And what other permits would you guys need to start construction at Certej? And also if you could just kind of could comment on permits you need at Skouries as well?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

Yes. Look, I mean, Certej, we have to complete the surface rights acquisition, and I think we're around 85% complete at present. Following that, we would submit an application to the county government for a construction permit, and then we'd be able to get started. In terms of Skouries, we have all the permits required to commence construction, and construction activities are really under way. Initially, as you appreciate, we have been in a forested area. We have to clear trees in and around the mine site, plant site and tailings down the area, and that's what we're doing. We've cleared in the area of the underground portal and started on portal excavation work. So activities are underway there, and we have all the permits necessary, the major permits necessary to start construction.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Cosmos Chiu from CIBC.

Cosmos Chiu - CIBC World Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · CIBC

I've got a few questions here. First off on the Efemçukuru. I guess, when you put out your revised guidance back in Q2 of 660,000 ounces, you had included about 65,000 ounces from Efemçukuru. In the past, to count towards production, you actually counted the gold poured at KCTP. But considering that KCTP is currently not in operation, what are you going to be counting towards Q4 production for Efemçukuru?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

Okay. Look, we've produced, I think, year-to-date -- in terms of gold production, I think there's around 27,000 ounces that's sort of noncommercial production. That's historically. Everything that you're going to see going forward through the concentrate sales starting in the next couple of weeks will be deemed as commercial production, right?

Cosmos Chiu - CIBC World Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · CIBC

Okay. So it's going to be based on the actual concentrate, too?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

That's correct, yes.

Cosmos Chiu - CIBC World Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · CIBC

Okay. That's makes sense. In terms of the lower grades experienced at White Mountain in Q3, has that kind of impact Q4? Or how should we be looking at gold and ore for White Mountain's head grade?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

You know, we -- I mean, I think we -- if you look crudely at the -- at our plans for the year, I mean, we were looking at a year-to-date grade target right now of around 4 grams per tonne, and we're sitting at around 3.7 grams per tonne, and we see the grade gradually going back up again. I mean, in reality, again, our year-to-date target for production at this point is 62,000 ounces, and we're 61,500. So we're actually quite close to where we expected to be and that despite the shortfall in grade, we've picked up a little bit in terms of tonnes through the mill and slightly better recovery, so.

Cosmos Chiu - CIBC World Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst · CIBC

Okay. And then the -- maybe switching gears to Certej -- and I saw the press release that came out yesterday, and I noticed that -- this might be too early, but I noticed that the resource grade has decreased somewhat. How would -- for purposes of my model, how should I look at it? Should I look at the new resource grade as the long term -- new long-term grade? Or are we still too early at this point?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

Yes. I mean, the fact that the resource grade lowered is not necessarily reflective of the mineralization that's being identified as being lower grade. If anything, I think it's probably slightly -- we're seeing signs of there being some slightly better grade in the system. It's more a reflection of us electing to lower the cut-off grade for resource statements. The historical resource grade that was previously stated by European Goldfields was at 0.8, and that was a grade that was reflective of, I think, a $620 gold price. Based on our sort of view of the economics as it relates to reserve calculations, we deemed 0.7 as the more appropriate cut-off grade to state the resource. So that's the sort of background to the resource. I mean, clearly, as Paul has described, some of the last couple of holes in the northern area, the Link Zone have created a fairly attractive target to us that we will be following up this quarter and hoping to incorporate that -- drilling results in the balance of the year and our year-end resource and reserve estimate. So I can't -- I mean, that's -- I'm not trying to obfuscate here, but I can't really tell you where we're going to go on reserves. But I think implicit with what you're seeing in resources is likely to be an improved reserve statement.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from John Kratochwil from Canaccord Genuity.

John Kratochwil - Canaccord Genuity, Research Division

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

I just had a couple of questions, I guess, to follow up on Cosmos there. The resource that was put out yesterday, do you have an idea, just a general thought in your head how much of the M&I could be converted into a mineable resource? Or is this a little too early still?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

You're right. It's a little bit early. It's -- look, I mean -- yes, I mean, you're going to have to sort of do your own. I mean, we've clearly -- clearly, you had, in essence, sort of 2 pits, which look like now becoming 1, which is good news. And as I said, the overall tenor of the mineralization I don't think has necessary decreased in quality. So I'd be surprised if we were not able to convert a significant part of that increase in M&I into P&P. Engineers love to do what engineers get paid to do, I guess.

John Kratochwil - Canaccord Genuity, Research Division

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

Absolutely. Absolutely. And then switching just over to Efemçukuru, how much work is still needed to be done in order to get concentrate going through Kisladag rather than getting it through a third-party processor?

Paul J. Skayman

Management

Yes, we're completing -- we ultimately ended up with recoveries in the same sort of mid- to high 80s. Really, really we want to see that in the 90s. So we're looking at the data that we generated during Q2. We need to do a little bit more work on sort of optimizing filter presses. So there's a little bit of work to do, a little bit of metallurgical work. But that's ongoing, so it's probably a little premature to sort of give you a lot of direction at this point.

John Kratochwil - Canaccord Genuity, Research Division

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

Okay. Okay, but fair enough. I mean, it's pretty -- like you said, it's pretty on par between getting it shipped externally and doing it yourself, so I guess, it's not that big a difference either way.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from David Haughton from BMO Capital Markets.

David Haughton - BMO Capital Markets Canada

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Paul, in your commentary, you had made reference to a better fourth quarter at Kisladag compared to the third quarter, which was pretty good already. Is that to do with the leach curve and the legacy of better grade earlier this year? Or is there something else?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

Well, there are 2 Pauls here, both beside each other. Who said that, David? I don't think we did say that fourth quarter was going to be better than the...

David Haughton - BMO Capital Markets Canada

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

I'm reading Page 2 of your release. "We expect to see an increase in production during the fourth quarter."

Paul J. Skayman

Management

Well, it must be true then. I mean, we've certainly placed good grade material on the pad. Inventory has increased over the year, so I think it's fair to say we're expecting a reasonably strong fourth quarter.

Paul N. Wright

Operator

Well done, David, you've got 2 Pauls blushing here.

David Haughton - BMO Capital Markets Canada

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

And Nancy wearing a blank. That's a pretty good outcome, so...

Paul N. Wright

Operator

Especially for the accountant that wrote this. Look, Kisladag is going very well and obviously, October is largely done, and so we are seeing a strong performance. And as you appreciate, leachers are a bit like flywheels. And as long as you -- if you put a lot of ounces on, then you tend to gain the benefit from that. We saw that in the third quarter, and we're continuing to see it in the fourth quarter. So yes, it'll be healthy fourth quarter.

David Haughton - BMO Capital Markets Canada

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

All right. Turning our mind now over to China. TJS had pretty good throughput. Is that the kind of level of throughput that we should be thinking about going forward, the 280-ish thousand tonnes through the mill?

Paul J. Skayman

Management

Looking at numbers here. Yes, I mean, we hit that sort of number back in Q4 last year. It sort of -- it varies around -- I think Q2, we actually had some -- like a power outage or some downtime. So it is capable of that. I mean, it sort of budget at about 1 million tonnes a year, so at best, you'll get sort of 1.1 million or something.

David Haughton - BMO Capital Markets Canada

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Okay. So just a little bit of seasonal variation, but stick to more the 1 million tonnes per annum kind of thing is a better idea.

Paul N. Wright

Operator

Yes, I think it's the safer thing to do, Dave. Yes.

David Haughton - BMO Capital Markets Canada

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

All right. Eastern Dragon, I know it's a moving target at this stage, but if we were to think about start-up in mid-2014, is that a reasonable kind of thought given where you're at the moment?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

I think that's what we've guided for. I mean, David, we've taking the approach not to see any production until 2014, and I believe that's the guidance that's out there right now. As soon as we get -- have a reason to be able to revise that, we will give that. But right now, we're -- it's a bit of a vacuum.

David Haughton - BMO Capital Markets Canada

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

All right. And do you have any feeling about CapEx at this stage? Or are you still working on that?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

The balance for CapEx really hasn't changed in terms of what's outstanding.

Fabiana E. Chubbs

Management

Around $45 million.

Paul N. Wright

Operator

It's about $45 million. I think $40 million to $45 million that's...

David Haughton - BMO Capital Markets Canada

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Remaining to be spent?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

Yes.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Kerry Smith from Haywood Securities.

Kerry Smith - Haywood Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Haywood Securities

Paul, if third-party costs are pretty similar for KCTP, why bother going through the hassle of building a start plant and trying to commission it and regaining the flow sheet? Why not just continue to sell concentrate there?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

Well, Kerry, that's -- way back when, when we were putting Efemçukuru together, we took a hard look at the option of just simply selling concentrate given our proximity to the port. At the time, when we looked at the metal price environment that existed and the concentrate, the payability and everything else just sort of allowed it -- we concluded on the base of that, it was preferable to build and operate our own plant, and so that's obviously what we did. You're right to a degree. I mean, in a perfect world where one could be -- could know forever that you're going to be able to get sort of treatment terms and payabilities that we're presently facing, you probably would not bother. However, what we're looking at is a situation where, hopefully, with some changes that we can make and without an exceptional, significant additional capital, we can equal, if not, do better that or slightly better than what we're faced with right now. And in doing so, have the comfort that we're not dependent upon what concentrate treatment terms may be next year or the year after. You know what I'm saying? I think that's the concern that we all have a little bit, is that, it's great that these -- the metal prices are what they are and the terms are what they are right now, but are they going to be there 2, 3, 5 years from now? But that's really the thinking behind it.

Kerry Smith - Haywood Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Haywood Securities

Okay. And the second part of that question, what do you think the CapEx might be for the modifications that you would need to make, like just a rough ballpark?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

I mean, I -- it's a bit early, but I mean, if you want a -- sort of my own guesstimate, it's going to be -- it would be less than $10 million. I sort of see it as a $5 million to $10 million type of exercise.

Kerry Smith - Haywood Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Haywood Securities

For the start plant and then the flow sheet changes?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

Yes. I mean, at the end of the day, Kerry, look, what we're doing is treating like 100 to 110 tonnes a day of concentrate. This is a pretty small plant.

Kerry Smith - Haywood Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Haywood Securities

Right. Right, okay. And for Jinfeng, is there any potential, Paul Skayman, to increase the underground production rate? Or is it pretty much maxed out now?

Paul J. Skayman

Management

We're continuing to increase year-on-year, and we're obviously, looking harder to -- at sort of budgets and plans to continue that increase. So no, I would say it's not maxed out. I think we're sort of opening up more levels, getting ourselves in a better position, so we can produce more out of the underground at Jinfeng.

Paul N. Wright

Operator

Well, the longer term is, Kerry, as you appreciate, is, it's all driven by lower -- not all, but it's largely driven by what are your reserves. And we're doing a lot of -- continue to do a lot of work in infill drilling, extension drilling to improve our understanding of the reserves and therefore, be able to do better mine planning, which is a precursor to being able to comment reasonably about production -- potential for production increase.

Kerry Smith - Haywood Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Haywood Securities

Right. Right, okay. And just a general comment on or a general observation on the Chinese operation. Generally, the grade profiles for all of your Chinese mines have been coming down sort of quarter-by-quarter this year. Jinfeng, obviously, that's specific to the stripping and the stockpile, but for the other operations, do you -- is Q3 kind of maybe the bottom of that decline in grade profile? Or should we expect that grades in Q4 might be down again?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

Tanjianshan is being sort of -- has come down a bit. Anyway, carry on.

Paul J. Skayman

Management

No, I think White Mountain, we expect it to peak back up a little bit and Tanjianshan, I would suggest possibly as well. That is a little lower at sort of 3.5. Yes, so I think Q3 is probably the low point for those 2.

Kerry Smith - Haywood Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Haywood Securities

Okay. And then Jinfeng, obviously, will kind of probably be what is it until you get the ore from the open pit available?

Paul J. Skayman

Management

That's right.

Kerry Smith - Haywood Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Haywood Securities

Yes. Okay. And then maybe just one last question if I could. The public meetings that you had at Perama, are there more public meetings required as part of the process? Or are you now done that, those public meetings?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

That part of the process is complete. We're now really responding to certain questions that were posed by the documentation that was sent out to the various authorities around that. And once that is complete, then it's really up to the Ministry of Environment to conclude the process. As I said in my commentary, the indications are that we can expect that prior to year end.

Kerry Smith - Haywood Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Haywood Securities

Right. So based on that comment, I guess, can I assume that the questions were modest in nature and there were no sort of critical issues that people identified as it relates to Perama?

Paul N. Wright

Operator

Yes, we don't see that there's anything of significance.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And the next question is from Martin Pradier from Westwood International.

Martin Pradier

Analyst · Westwood International

No, my question has been answered.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time, Mr. Wright.

Paul N. Wright

Operator

All right. Well, thank you, operator, and thank you, everybody, who's attended the call. And we look forward to talking with you in the new year. Thanks, operator.