Greetings, and welcome to the DoubleVerify First Quarter 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Tejal Engman, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Good afternoon, and welcome to DoubleVerify's First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. With us today are Mark Zagorski, CEO; and Nicola Allais, CFO. Today's press release and this call may contain forward-looking statements that are subject to inherent risks, uncertainties and changes and reflect our current expectations and information currently available to us, and our actual results could differ materially. For more information, please refer to the risk factors in our recent SEC filings, including our Form 10-Q and our annual report on Form 10-K. In addition, our discussion today will include references to certain supplemental non-GAAP financial measures and should be considered in addition to and not as a substitute for our GAAP results. Reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP measures are available in today's earnings press release, which is available on our Investor Relations website at ir.doubleverify.com. Also during the call today, we will be referring to the slide deck posted on our website. With that, I'll turn it over to Mark.

Thanks, Tejal, and thank you all for joining us today. I'm excited to discuss our solid first quarter performance and to share the substantial product and business development progress we've achieved so far this year, setting a robust foundation for future growth and success. From scaling our independently accredited core verification solutions across leading social and CTV environments to increasing customer adoption of our key performance solutions, Scibids and Authentic Attention, DV is excelling across multiple growth vectors. And in the process, we're evolving our core value proposition to include protection and performance of media spend, solidifying our market leadership and driving sustained business growth. In the first quarter, we exceeded the top end of our guidance ranges on revenue and adjusted EBITDA, achieving solid revenue growth, profitability and cash flow. We grew first quarter revenue by 15% year-over-year to $141 million with double-digit revenue growth across both Activation and Measurement. We delivered $38 million of adjusted EBITDA, representing a 27% margin and grew net cash from operating activities by nearly 50% year-over-year to $32 million. I'd like to begin my comments today by highlighting an evolving trend that's become increasingly prominent in recent months, the role that digital video is playing in driving ad impression growth. More specifically, we're seeing ad spend increase in social video and CTV, which are 2 of DB's fastest-growing media environment. Advertisers, particularly DB's large brand advertisers, value these environments for their audience addressability, expansive scale across the purchase funnel and measurable performance outcomes. We're at a pivotal point with the ongoing increase in digital video has emerged as a key catalyst for digital advertising growth. As reported by MAGNA Global, although global programmatic ad spend grew 10% in 2023, this growth rate would have been 5% if you excluded CTV. Similarly, the MAGNA…

Thanks, Mark, and good afternoon, everyone. Our first quarter results exceeded the top end of our revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance ranges, driven by all 3 of our revenue lines, activation, measurement and supply side gaining momentum in March. Total revenue grew 15% in the first quarter to $141 million, primarily driven by 16% advertiser revenue growth, which continues to be volume led. In the first quarter, media transactions measured, or MTM, increased 18% year-over-year. Measured transaction fees, or MTF, declined 2% year-over-year, primarily due to product mix as activation revenue, which is premium priced to measurement, represented a smaller share of total revenue relative to the prior year period. We anticipated this mix shift given the strength in social and international revenue and the impact of reduced programmatic spending by a handful of large retail and CPG advertisers we referenced last quarter. While we expect MTS on a per product basis to remain stable, we expect total MTS to continue to reflect the impact of the mix shift towards measurement relative to more premium price activation. Activation revenue increased 13% compared to the prior year, and ABS, which represented 55% of activation revenue in the quarter increased 12% year-over-year. 85% of ABS' growth in the quarter was driven by new advertiser spend and by upselling ABS to existing DV customers. ABS is activated by over 90% of our top 100 advertisers, and by over 60% of our top 500 advertisers. Moving forward, we're focused on new advertiser spend and an upselling ABS to existing DV customers as the primary driver of ABS' growth. Scibids continues to build momentum with existing customers and prospects and continues to meet our performance expectations. Turning to measurement. Revenue increased 19% versus the prior year, primarily driven by existing customer expansion on social. Social…

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Matt Swanson with RBC Capital Markets.

We have a lot of good metrics in the quarter, right? Attention, triple; social, 51; CTV, 45; Retail Media, 45; International, 40. Could you just maybe go a little bit more into the parts of the business that didn't perform as well? Because obviously, those numbers are all quite a bit higher than overall revenue growth. So maybe drilling down a little deeper beyond those handful of CPG and retail companies.

Matt, thanks for the question. In addition to that, we also saw great growth outside of the U.S. that was a positive. And so we do see some bright spots. Now obviously, where we saw some challenges is where our activation business, which has been such a powerhouse over the last several quarters. And I think a lot of that was driven by those core customers who are heavily leaned into our activation solutions, including ADS. So I think there is definitely some drag on the activation side of our business, as we noted, considering this is the first quarter that I can remember in which activation actually grew slower than measurement. And I think that's obviously, very large part due to those customers who we saw the drag in Q1. We're projecting them to remain relatively [ even ] through the year is the first part. And the second is obviously a good amount of spend is starting to head towards social, in which we got a lower attach rate at this stage for some of our previous solutions although we're seeing a pretty big measurement upswing. So the bright spots continue to be social, international and some of the areas on that side of the business. Where we saw drag was pretty early in activation, which, again, those core customers who did slow down and we expect them to be uneven for the year, have a high concentration of spend [indiscernible]

Yes, that's really helpful. And then I think it might just be helpful to kind of go over 2 of the things that were investor focus is coming out last quarter. And one, it didn't show up at all, obviously, in measurement. But just any commentary around the pricing environment competitively. And then maybe on the second, like you said the same companies as before, but just that there hasn't been any contagion of spreading out beyond kind of those retail CPG customers we identified.

Yes. I'll take that one. So I'll start with the second one. The answer to that is no, it is the same cohort of advertisers where we're seeing just uneven pattern of spend. They actually really saw nothing in March but seen in April. And so we feel it's the right thing to do to take our numbers down for the year assuming they will remain fairly uneven for the year as a cohort. So this is not a growing number of advertisers. On the first question for MTF, what we saw this quarter is an overall decline on MTF because the mix has shifted towards measurement. And as we've always said, activations command higher premium priced products. And so as more volume is shifting to measurement, you will feel on the MTF, the impact of lower price points on social, lower price points or international in general. The third product, pricing, has remained stable. And that's really the part that we can follow the MTF mix shift to sort of a byproduct of where the advertisers are spending.

And our next question comes from Andrew Boone with JMP Securities.

Mark, can you talk about the early learnings from Meta brand safety and what advertiser conversations are like currently in terms of adoption and demand for the product?

Yes. Thanks, Andrew. We've got -- we're engaged with just about every one of our top customers on the Meta brand safety solution. I think last -- in the last call, we've talked to something like 40 to 45 folks are testing it. The good is we're starting to wrap those tests now and activate some of those clients. So we've got a handful of folks who are now running. A bunch of them are new. And the feedback has been really positive. They like the fact now that we've got the full suite across all the solutions. As we noted in the call, we've now even extended some new aspects of Instagram as well. So I think it's pacing as we expected. We talked about starting to really pick up on the second half of this year. As Nicola noted in his guidance comments, we still are planning for a moderated impact on the business based on that. But net-net, good traction. It's exactly what we wanted to do and expected to do and Meta as a partner, has really leaned into it as represented by the fact we started the year and launched with a handful of languages, and we expanded to over 20 languages by the end of the quarter, which is a great sign that they think this is important, and they want to continue to work with us on this front.

And then, Mark, just as a follow-up for that to help us maybe try to quantify the qualification of strong demand on Meta. Is there anything you guys are seeing in terms of violation rates or anything else, again, that you can discuss maybe in broad strokes that suggest that, hey, advertisers need to be implementing a brand safety tool within social media UGC environment?

I can't speak to Meta specifically, but we know that all social environments have a sense of brand safety and suitability challenges that we ensure that they can -- these tools are made for, right? And I think that the interest in demand around them is based on the fact that the reality is that there's lots of growth in dollars flowing into social networks as we've seen, and advertisers want to have comfort in those environments. So net-net, I think the solutions are doing what they need to do, which is provide greater transparency, not just on brand safety and suitability but on viewability, on ensuring there's not invalid traffic, et cetera. And I think they're playing that role. And as exemplified is the growth that we saw in the quarter of over 50% growth in social, and I think there's still going to be people who lean on those.

Our next question comes from Arjun Bhatia with William Blair.

Maybe for Mark to start. It seems like, obviously, social is a little bit of a headwind here. But when you think about getting more attached with prebid, I guess, how is product parity for DV solution and what you have in social from a prebid perspective versus what you have with ABS and programmatic? And then just help us understand maybe what tools you have at your disposal to actually increase those attach rates on the social side. And maybe chop away at some of these headwinds that I see impacting you.

Yes, it's a great question, Arjun. So we -- in the slides we showed, our some level of prescreen controls across a handful of social network. So certainly not as broad across activation as we have across measurement. And the depths and types of those tools are different. So prescreening, social heavily leaned on YouTube and TikTok right now is the main drivers of application. I think there is opportunity for us to expand on both of those platforms, and we are as well as look at growing out some of the things we're doing on optimization and activation. So we've got some work to do. Right now, most of that work is around selling, not on product development. Less than 20% of our top 700 customers are using us on social prescreen. So I think we've got an opportunity to upsell there. We also have some product and coverage work to do, but I do think we have an opportunity to continue to grow that.

Okay. And then maybe sticking on that theme. Certainly, I think we see it across the advertising landscape that more and more spend is getting allocated to media, whether it's social or CTV. And I think you have implemented some price -- some premium price on some video solutions. But as you look ahead, I think those -- when you look at advertising [indiscernible] there's a pretty wide discrepancy. So like how do you think about price as a lever on some of those more premium impressions because I think there's still quite a bit of a gap there with the ad systems and what you [indiscernible]

Yes. We've talked about this in prior calls, and it's a great point. I think we are still leaving money on the table based on the pricing structure that we have on video. And I think it becomes a bigger factor as more dollars move there. So I think we've got an opportunity to drive pricing at the level our value is that we're not taking advantage of. But I do think there's an opportunity for us to do that. We've done it a bit, as we said, in some of our activation solutions when we bifurcated between displaying video on some of the platforms. I think we have an opportunity as well to look at both activation and measurement pricing as those CPMs in video become higher and the demand for video becomes greater, pushing them up.

And our next question comes from Raimo Lenschow with Barclays.

This is Frank on for Raimo. Despite the [ trim ] guidance, it still implies a step-up in the growth rate throughout the year. With that, what's giving you the most confidence there? And within this, how much does Meta ramping factor in, especially relative to your Q4 view?

Yes, I'll take that question, Frank. So if you just step back and look at what we're expecting in the second half versus the first half of the year, we expect the second half to contribute about 56% of total revenue, which is in line with what we saw last year. So there is always more revenue in the second half of the year as there is in the first half. So that's one way to look at the numbers. We have assumed the continued ramp-up in the second half. Part of that is based on the ramping that we're seeing from the new large global advertisers that we had already mentioned last quarter, they are now performing in line with our expectations that there is a slow start. So that is one of the parts of the equation. The other part I would say related to that is additional new advertisers are large global enterprise advertisers that are likely to take our premium price products, which will have an impact on activation off of what we saw in the first quarter. So those are the 2 large ones. I think if you think about other questions the other way, we thought it was the right thing to do to take down the contribution from the cohort of advertisers just to be on the safe side based on the volatility of their spend. What is not yet in the second half, and we spoke about this on the prepared remarks, we have not assumed a meaningful contribution from the Meta brand safety solutions. That has not changed. It's always been our view that it will take time for that to provide meaningful contributions to our numbers, but that could go faster than we expected based on the stats that Mark shared in terms of the pickup on that solution. TikTok is also now available in a lot of non-English languages. It is providing some growth, but again, it could go faster than we had expected. And Scibids is performing to expectation and that has proven to be very successful in terms of testing. So there are factors that are not included in what we've shown in the second half guidance. But overall, it's 56% of the full year revenue, which is smaller total we did last year.

Our next question comes from Tim Nollen with Macquarie.

Mark, I'd like to pick up on your comments on the opportunity in CTV. And I thought it was very interesting discussing how a majority of CTV deals are still done on insertion orders, not through private marketplaces, but that, that is changing. And actually, the role that DV can play in helping bring about that change to CTV. I just wonder if you could expand a bit more on that. Is this comment and efforts you're getting from your advertiser base to move toward that, that you can offer more attribution tools that can help move that market to be more biddable programmatically driven? I just think it's a very interesting concept. I'd love to hear some more color on that, please.

Yes. Thanks for the question. I think this is something I've been personally [indiscernible] for a while, which is the lack of transparency in CTV buying, which has led towards basically an old school way of purchasing, which is [ private ] PG or programmatic guaranteed buys, which are not very innovative, don't apply any data and don't really take advantage of the programmatic pipes and the elegance of the programmatic pipes that people like Trade Desk and others have. I think where we see an opportunity there is to provide the same level of granular transparency and safety and suitability performance applications that we see on a page level on the open Internet. I think we've started to be able to crack that with some partners out there on the publisher side to be able to get we call show level data so that we can provide measurement and granular measurement for advertisers. So they have a greater sense of transparency and a greater sense of opportunity to buy in more elegant ways. And I think that's -- we're just at the start of that. Like if I'd say we are the first to kind of get into that space in a real way, it provides an opportunity down the road for us. And the granular aspect of the data, I think, is going to open that up a bit. And the nice part is we're not blowing our own horn. We think this is good for everybody. It's good for the publishers because it allows for better, safer buying at a more premium level. It's good for the platforms because they want to use the tools that they have to enhance those buys. And obviously, it helps us too as we get a higher attach rate. The one other aspect that I'd say beyond that, which is really interesting, we mentioned in the script is the opportunity for attention in CTV. And we've seen this not with just now some of the solutions that we've launched, but we mentioned Netflix running a study with us on attention across their solutions or across their platform. I think CTV is looking for new ways to measure and sell their impressions. The reach and frequency play is something that doesn't really resonate in the digital world the way it did in the linear world. So I think things like attention where we've shown some great promise and year-over-year, we've tripled our business even though it's small, and it provides a really interesting opportunity in CTV and OTT applications, but I think we're at the early stages of taking advantage of.

And our next question comes from Eric Sheridan with Goldman Sachs.

Maybe 2, if I can. In terms of the components of the advertising dynamic that is leading you to lower the guide for this year. Can you maybe unpack a little bit of how much of that trajectory you now see as sort of a permanent downtick? Or it's just delayed or deferred and there could be elements where some of that on the category side come back as we go through the year? That would be question one. . And then as you look towards the back part of the year and you frame it against what you typically talk about in terms of your long-term growth drivers, can you give us a little bit more sense of how your visibility continues to evolve into those long-term growth drivers returning the company, either the exit velocity in Q4 or the exit velocity as an indicator towards 2025 in terms of compounded growth higher than the levels you're talking about tonight?

Yes, Eric, I'll start. On the -- for the impact that we're seeing from this cohort of advertisers, let me just be clear. No one's turned off the service. This is really based on advertiser spending patterns at the client level, and it's prior to specific issue as a client. So we don't see that as a permanent downshift. We're just seeing it as more of an uneven spending pattern, which is why it is going to impact the rest of the year and which is why it's having the impact on the guide. It is -- as an aside, this is the largest component of impact to the changed guidance that we quoted today. The impact of these uneven spend in our view that we're just going to take it down. So that is for the first step. So that is not a situation. And as I said, no one has turned off the solution. They're just [indiscernible]. In terms of exit and growth rates going into next year. Obviously, we're seeing very solid growth rates in social, in international, and those are bound to continue. I mean in social, what we're seeing today in terms of growth rate is 51% growth in the quarter versus 48% last year, but it's still basically a de minimis impact from the launch of brand safety of Meta. And that, as we've talked in the past, is a very large opportunity. The social growth is we expect them to continue at a healthy clip. International. Within that, obviously, will be held by social. This the first time international is over 30% of measurement revenue. And as we know, international spend for the percent of total is well above 31%, right? So we saw the gap there to fill. And that will continue and will certainly still be in the exit rate. I think what we will see at the end of this year that we may not be seeing in the first quarter is the combined impact of the lower advertising spend and the fact that more dollars are moved to source the ABS as part of the activation is lower, right? It's 12% growth range in the quarter. This is a premium-priced product, it is a successful product. It is the only one in the market. As we sign new deals, we do anticipate that growth rate to increase as well.

Yes. And just to throw one to go back to here is, for the second half of the year and the trajectory we see kind of running out of the year, we do -- we have a really nice slate of customer wins. And those will start hitting and rolling in the second half as well as a robust pipeline as we mentioned in the call. We still have a great win ratio of opportunities that stayed stable. And again, we saw almost 2/3 of those wins coming from what we call greenfield customers. So those things, I think, will start to lean in and fill some of the gaps that those large customers who have uneven spend have created in the second half of the year.

And our next question comes from Omar Dessouky with Bank of America.

So I'm hearing a couple of things. I'm hearing, first of all, that your large select advertisers that you called out last quarter was one reason for the lowered outlook for the back half of this year. I wanted to just double check like how many of it -- how many of them were there? And could you remind us which verticals they were in? And then I have a question about CTV as a follow-up.

Yes. So we said it's a handful of advertisers. They are all in our top 100. Just to give you a sense of scale, the average spend on the top 100 is over $3 million, and these are advertisers that are towards the top of the top 100 for us. They are in the retail and CPG space. As we said in the first quarter and we'll repeat it here, these are spending patterns that are tied to specific issues at the advertiser. This is not tied to the segments of our product is that these clients are going through their own issues that has led them to do some belt tightening around advertising spend.

So -- sorry, I apologize, but I did -- I thought that I heard after the last quarter that one of the advertisers was in the health care area. Is that -- are you able to comment on that at all? Because that doesn't sound like either CPG or retail. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think we did. I think we quoted retail and CPG. These are retail and CPG clients not health care.

Okay. Got it. Okay. And then just a question on CTV now. I'm getting a little bit of a sense that there is a shift in ad spending towards CTV. It's a market that I think is fairly small for you at the moment. Does the product market fit within CTV differ for your advertisers as compared to the markets that you've traditionally focused on? Also, how is the competitive environment different among CTV verification firms as compared to your bread and butter, if at all?

Yes. So on the latter half, the competitive set isn't any different. Actually, it's even more limited because the ability to verify and measure within CTV is a pretty heavy lift and like any walled garden or kind of closed environment, partners only platforms only work with a handful of folks. For example, Netflix when they rolled out, they worked with 2 verification partners and one measurement partner when they launched, right? So I think a competitive set is even more limited than it is on the open web. With regard to product market share, I think that's something that we were kind of alluding to in the comments, but really, it's -- there's 2 aspects to it. The first is current product market fit with the way most CTV is being bought and sold, which is through programmatic guarantees and through limited kind of direct buying. That provides a lower attach rate for us is due to the fact that it's really a one-to-one buy in many cases, and there's not data or targeting or verification applied. Where we see that evolving, however, is where the opportunity lies, which is as CTV inventory becomes much more prevalent. And the balance goes from limited CTV inventory to over abundance of inventory in the same way we saw it in the open web, the same way you saw it in mobile. I think there's a change in the dynamics of how CTV will be bought and sold. More of it will be programmatic, more of it will be open market or more open PMPs or private marketplace packages, in which there's a better product market fit for us and, a better attach rate for us. That will be enhanced as we get more granular on our ability to measure on a show level. So I think the opportunities there go from being a relatively small opportunity today as far as the overall volume and percentage of revenue to one which is greater and commensurate with the percentage that CTV is taking of the overall ad market. So again, I think there's some evolution of how CTV's bought and sold, that will be a positive attach rate driver to our product. And then there's some evolution in the actual product to the measurement products that we're building to be able to do so on a show level basis in the same way we do in the open web.

Our next question comes from Michael Graham with Canaccord.

You've covered this a few times, but it sounds like the softness from those retail CPG from advertisers is really just a function of their overall ad spend as opposed to any migration away from your products or any competitive pressure. But I wanted to just ask about the competitive landscape and if you're seeing any changes there. And then separately, you were able -- despite the lower revenue guide, you were able to keep your EBITDA margin guidance pretty consistent. So I just wanted to ask what dynamics you're seeing that are enabling you to kind of keep your profitability levels up.

Thanks, Michael. So I'll take the first part, Nicola will take a second. On the competitive dynamics, I mean, I think as we mentioned last quarter, we have been with a lot of the same competitors for over a decade and that dynamic remains as it always has been, which is robust, but certainly has not devolved into any type of pricing competition or pricing. We were very clear about that. In the first quarter, we remain steadfast in our position that there's nothing happening that it hasn't happened in the past, which is great products win customers, great service keeps customers, and we always are very competitive with the folks out there. So they have not played a role in the slowness and even a sensing those core customers that we saw. So they're not taking. Our competitors haven't taken chunks of that business or our competitors haven't caused that slowness to happen. So the environment remains as it always has been. We've not, as Nicola noted, seen a degradation on per product pricing between activation and measurement. So those dynamics remain the same.

Yes. And on the second question, we -- our business is very profitable, right? So -- and you can even see it on the cost of sales being [ 1% ] of revenue. The dynamics we are seeing are the same as we saw at the beginning of the year, which is we are starting to see some benefits from the use of AI and machine learning around the [ case ] that it takes us to innovate. We are continuing to innovate. We're also benefiting from the fact that we are seeing the economies of scale around G&A in general. So the benefit of our model is basically contributing to us to be able to continue to manage our 31% margin, even though we're continuing to invest in the business.

And our next question comes from Mark Kelley with Stifel.

I wanted to ask a question just about bigger picture, just guidance philosophy. Win rate above 80%, sounds like the RFP pipeline is pretty robust. You mentioned 40-plus advertisers kind of evaluating Meta brand safety. I guess when you take a look at all of the visibility that you do have to any of those, I guess, what's the right way for us to think about how you embed that into the full year guide? That's my first question. And then the second one is just more of a clarification. The commentary about slower pacing in April. I just want to make sure that, that is a comment that's focused on the retail and CPG clients and not a broader statement about what you're seeing at the corporate level.

Yes. So Mark, I'll start with the second question. You're correct. That statement was related to this cohort of advertisers, which is why we've chosen to take a year down based on the volatility that we've seen around that cohort. And again, they are within the top 100 of their material clients for us. The -- I think this goes a little bit into the philosophy that we took around guidance, which is not unlike what we've done in prior quarters, which is probably close to the pin based on what we see at the time that we are issuing guidance. So it felt like the right thing to do to take the impact of these advertisers into the guidance. You're correct that there are lots of positive momentum around pockets of the business as we anticipate will continue. So it is a measured view of the second half of the year, but the reality around this cohort of advertiser is a material impact on what we're guiding to today. It is a vast majority of the impact that we took on today's guide.

Our next question comes from Justin Patterson with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Great. I was hoping you could elaborate a little bit more on just the spending from large customers. I appreciate that there's some uneven spending there, a few large ones in retail and CPG cutting, but it's also a pretty robust brand advertising market. You started some nice trends around social within there. So just trying to get a better understanding of how macro is playing in this and perhaps that there might be a little bit of crowding out from a more price inflationary versus impression having market.

Yes. I think, Justin, we're going to say again what we said in the first quarter because it remains consistent, which is we are seeing issues that are specific to these clients. We talked about this in the first quarter. Some of these clients are going through a corporate restructuring and have either items that are leading them to tighten their ad spend. So we're not seeing this -- we're not saying that this is a broader macro factor. And as I answered to a prior question, we haven't seen this spread to other clients at all. So we're not factoring this as a macro component at all. This is really specific to these advertisers.

Got it, which I think contributes to some of the confusion of it still a pretty solvent brand advertising market in there. So is there any other factors that you're watching, perhaps it's just less visibility because activations become a larger piece of revenue that's kind of driving the outlook here?

Yes. I think we did -- we added a factor, which is creating some questions around moderated growth, which is the shift to spend to social, right, from open web and from Internet. And by the shift to spend, I mean, the shift of the growth, right? A lot of the growth that we're seeing in our business, as we noted, is coming in social. Now that business is not as rich for us as our activation businesses. So we are seeing some of that impact as we see dollars go to CTV or see dollars go to social. And we mentioned CTV a lot in the call because we think there's a big opportunity there. But as you and a lot of analysts have noted, we're still underpriced in that space, right? And I think that's something that we need to start to work on getting our value prop aligned and our value aligned with the price of those impressions. So it's something that I think we've talked about in the past. I think it will be a focus of ours moving forward.

And our next question comes from Matthew Cost with Morgan Stanley.

I have 2. I'll start with one just on the large customers. I guess last quarter, you articulated kind of the same headwinds and uneven spend that you saw from the NIM that you're talking about now. I guess, how are you getting confident at this point now that 3 months later, it's a little bit worse than you thought it was when you guided last time. How are you getting confident that it won't keep getting worse for these large customers? Like why should we be confident that this is appropriately de-risked in the second half, given that you have the same mix of revenue in the second half that you had last year, but you don't have this drag that could get worse over the course of the year? And then I have a follow-up.

Yes. I think, look, we're getting -- we are feeling it's the right thing to take the number down for the pattern that we've seen in the first 4 months, right? So there actually was a good -- there was a pickup in spend in March, but April is now uneven again. And so we are taking the impact of all of that into the second half. It is -- it certainly feels like the right thing to do for the second half of the year. So I think if you back into that, then the question is really how to think about the second half and what is happening there, and the sequential growth from new customers is one of the factors that is going to help us deliver sequential revenue percentage growth in the second half of the year versus the first half of the year, along with other opportunities. And we do think that -- from what we can see now, the right thing to do for the average other was to take it down in the second half.

Got it. And then you mentioned some of the new dollars coming in sort of being more focused on social and CTV rather than open web. Is that a structural issue that maybe gets worse when cookies go away at some point in the future? And if it's not, I assume it's because eventually you'll launch the full suite of products that you have on open web on social and CTV, but how long does it take for that to unfold? And then could there be a mismatch in how quickly dollars shift next year on to social and CTV versus your road map of launching all your products on those verticals?

Yes, it's a great insight. And I want to be clear on one thing is that we don't need to wait to launch new products to take advantage of this growth, right? So we've -- our expansion already across Meta and TikTok has borne a significant amount of fruit based on the solutions that we have in place. So we are experiencing that growth, and that will continue to be a factor in our trajectory moving forward. So I think we certainly are not banking our ability to grow in CTV or social on new products. I think they will enhance our opportunities there and kind of give us even more fuel to continue to grow at the trajectory we want. With regards to cookies and the role they'll play there. I mean this is something where I think it's probably less about cookie deprecation than it is about performance. And as advertisers push for more granularity, more transparency and more performance, both on social and CTV, that will be the biggest deciding factor on how it works. And performance is directly tied, not just remember to like closing a loop, but what the CPMs are of those platforms. So if demand on those platforms starts to be so much that it exceeds the value or the ROI of spending on those platforms, then dollars will shift to where it's cheaper, whether there's cookies or not. And we actually saw this earlier this year with some of the social platforms and the people complaining that prices were being bid up by a lot of Asian reselling companies that advertise on the Super Bowl were driving CPMs up and lowering ROI for advertisers, which means they fled some of those platforms. So we've seen this before. So I think it's going to be a balance of dollar shift plus ROI on those dollars shift that will impact where spend goes. So I don't think -- without giving -- it's not game over yet for the cookie-based or non-cookie-based environment. It's going to be a story of return, ROI and CPMs.

And our next question comes from Youssef Squali with Truist Securities.

This is Robert Zeller. I just wanted to ask a clarifying question on the unevenspending pattern as well. Do you think advertisers are pulling back on ABS like product specifically or the programmatic space altogether? And if an advertiser ships more spend social, I'm just curious why DV shouldn't see a greater tailwind in that channel?

Yes. I'll take the first one is the spend uneven this is across their entire spend. This is not specific to a product. It's overall lower spend. And as we said earlier in the call, we're not seeing any of these advertisers turn off the product, they're just overall spending less. In terms of the shift to social, yes, it is -- I mean, it's ultimately a positive for us, right, because it is part of the ecosystem where we do have products and that they are continuing to evolve. And if you think about the evolution here is we can get those social measurements going and then we are developing the products that will allow us to do a solid activation offering for social. So it is a positive overall for sure. In the short term, the activation products are premium priced. And so as more volume growth goes to social, we will have an impact there in terms of the revenue that we can extract. But over time, it is a positive for us in the industry.

And our next question comes from Vasily Karasyov with Cannonball Research.

I wanted to ask you if you are already having conversations with big connected TV platforms, apps and publishers and so on. And also with the advertisers who use TV through the open programmatic channels? And how far along are you in those conversations in terms of the growth opportunity you outlined? And connected to that question is when -- how long would it take for you to sort of get into that market and make that revenue stream sizable enough to return to growth in the 20 -- can we even say that when all is said and done, we will be growing at 25% again? Or do you think it's just a few percentage points growth a year?

Thanks, Vasily. So on the first question on CTV. I mean, yes, we are in dialogue with many of the top 10 publishers out there. Last month, we announced that we were working with NBC Universal on this front. And there's a string of others, which we hope to announce over the next several months. So that momentum is there, and we're pretty excited about it. With regard to growth, I mean, look, CTV is going to be part of the growth story. As we noted, we've got lots of growth levers we're still pressing on. Social still is driving a big chunk of growth. Global is still driving growth. our activation solutions and optimization solutions, Scibids is still a small but nice contributor. So we are optimistic about continuing to look at a strong growth profile in the future, about getting our pipeline deals closed to drive the additional growth that we think that is out there. And again, the dynamics of our penetration in the market haven't changed. You mentioned in the call that less than half of our customers use 4 more of our solutions. So we've got lots of upselling we can still do. And I think the ball is in our court right now. So we don't want to say this is all product development opportunity or it's all new solutions that are going to continue to drive growth. It's continue to lean in on places outside the U.S., continue to lean in on upselling solutions to our current clients and continue to expand coverage across the platforms where we already have relationships. Those things which drove our growth in the past are going to continue to drive our growth in the future.

So would it be fair to say that judging by your guidance, you're not expecting this [indiscernible] to yield results until next year? Or is it further out than that?

Yes. I think it's -- this will take longer than a few quarters to play out, for sure.

And our next question comes from Robert Coolbrith with Wells Fargo.

If we go back to the Meta-brands safety evaluations going on right now, could you perhaps expand on the early advertiser response to or adoption of Meta's own platform safety tools, essentially how many among your customer base are sort of prepared to layer on your verification tools at this point? And anything you can say about the early response to the verification tools as well. And then finally, as we think about industry changes that we may see in '25, wondering if you might be willing to give us a sense of TikTok U.S. scale in terms of your exposure and how that's been contributing to the growth?

Yes. So on the Meta question, I think we mentioned that we're working -- we're in active test with over 40 of our customers, and many of them are some of our top 100 customers. The feedback has been solid. Many -- we've closed a number of activation deals after the test, and it's pacing on the schedule and at the rate at which we expect it to. The nice part about that is getting into social, the number of impressions that we see across those platforms is pretty massive, right? It's the dollar spent, the impressions that are going across the news feed are big. So when we close a deal with a customer there, these are not small deals. They're pretty big deals. And I think the pacing of that, the testing that is going as planned. And again, we mentioned over 40 customers with a number of them already closing and will start activating in the second half of the year. So that's going well. With regard to TikTok, I think we mentioned almost 50% of our TikTok revenue is outside the U.S. And I think that's significant to note because we just started expanding the language footprint on TikTok in the second half of last year and rolling into the first half of this year. So as we move into more language, as we move into more markets, that the balance between U.S. and the world will continue to shift probably towards more of the world than the U.S., considering where we sit today. So I think it's a topic -- a good growth driver. We still think there's legs there. And we're not going to sit here and try to prognosticate on what happens in the U.S. But net-net, they are growing their footprint outside the U.S. with us, which provides opportunity. And also to put that in scale, Facebook and YouTube are still, by far, our largest social platforms. I think we've mentioned the over 80% of our social revenue. So they are still the big dogs in this game.

And there are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back to Mark Zagorski for closing comments.

All right. Thank you all for your time today. We remain excited about the significant opportunities that lie ahead in social, CTV and retail media channels as we grow the value proposition with our customers around the world.

Thank you. And with that, we conclude today's call. All parties may disconnect. Have a great day.