Greetings, and welcome to the DoubleVerify Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] And as a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce you, Tejal Engman, Investor Relations. Thank you, Tejal. You may begin.

Good afternoon, and welcome to DoubleVerify's fourth quarter and full-year 2023 earnings conference call. With us today are Mark Zagorski, CEO; and Nicola Allais, CFO. Today's press release and this call may contain forward-looking statements that are subject to inherent risks, uncertainties, and changes, and reflect our current expectations and information currently available to us, and our actual results could differ materially. For more information, please refer to the risk factors in our recent SEC filings, including our annual report or our Form 10-K. In addition, our discussion today will include references to certain supplemental non-GAAP financial measures and should be considered in addition to, and not as a substitute for, our GAAP results. Reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP measures are available in today's earnings press release, which is available on our investor relations website at ir.doubleverify.com. Also, during the call today, we'll be referring to the slide deck posted on our website. With that, I'll turn it over to Mark.

Thanks, Tejal, and good afternoon, everyone. 2023 was DV's third year as a public company and one where we continue to deliver industry-leading revenue and profitability growth fueled by AI powered product innovations that drove a higher ROI for our customers and accelerated DV's global client expansion trajectory and market share gains. In 2023, we grew total revenue by 27% year-over-year to $572.5 million, and our platform measured over 7 trillion billable media transactions across a growing number of digital media properties, formats and devices. DV’s continued expansion into new global markets and media environments fueled over $120 million of incremental revenue during the year and established our scale as not only a market differentiator, but also a springboard for future revenue growth, especially internationally, where our measurement business grew over 40% last year. Our focus on topline growth in 2023 was matched by our commitment to profitability and cash flow generation. Our business generated a 33% adjusted EBITDA margin and approximately $120 million of net cash from operating activities in 2023, an increase of 26%, even as we invested in growing our global workforce, expanding our premium solution set and integrating a new acquisition, Scibids AI. In the fourth quarter, we ended the year with a revenue growth rate of 29% and adjusted EBITDA margins of 38%. This rare and winning combination of growth and profitability allows us to continue to invest in AI and automation, which, in turn, helps drive our global scale and connectivity and fuel market-leading product innovation. These are DV’s core differentiators and the engines of our long-term growth. Before I discuss the numerous drivers of our strong performance and market share gains in the quarter and the year in detail, let me highlight the two growth areas I am most excited about for 2024…

Thank you, Mark, and good afternoon, everyone. DV delivered industry-leading fourth quarter and full-year 2023 revenue growth and profitability, demonstrating continued strong operational execution through a year challenged by geopolitical and macroeconomic uncertainty. Fourth quarter total revenue growth of 29% was driven by 32% growth in activation, 30% growth in measurement, and 5% growth in supply side. Our activation and measurement businesses which are driven by advertisers, were a combined 93% of our total fourth quarter revenue. Advertiser revenue grew 31% in the fourth quarter driven by 25% growth in volume or MTM, and 5% growth in pricing or MTF on a year-over-year basis. In addition, Scibids performed in line with our expectations. MTF growth accelerated sequentially from 2% in the third quarter to 5% in the fourth quarter due to a continued mix shift towards premium priced solutions, followed by the impact of the ABS display and video price bifurcation, which was completed across all major DSPs in the third quarter. ABS revenue grew 45% year-over-year in the fourth quarter driven by volume growth of 34% and MTF growth of 9% year-over-year. Approximately two-thirds of the year-over-year growth in ABS came from existing ABS customers expanding their usage to more brands and to more markets, while a third of the growth came from customers who activated the solution for the first time. Fourth quarter measurement revenue grew 30% driven by social revenue growth of 62%. International measurement revenue grew 43% in the quarter with EMEA growth of 45% and APAC growth of 39% year-over-year. International revenue comprised 29% of measurement revenue, up from 26% in the fourth quarter of 2022. Supply side revenue grew 5% largely driven by growth in new publisher customers in the fourth quarter. For full-year 2023, revenue growth of 27% was driven by activation revenue…

[Operator Instructions] And the first question comes from the line of Matt Swanson with RBC Capital Markets.

Yes. Great. It was great to hear about some of these big investment areas, social being up 62% for Measurement, international coming up, CTV coming up. But just kind of maybe for a balance from a year-over-year perspective. Do you mind kind of touching on some of the areas of your business that maybe were headwinds to those overall growth rate, and particularly kind of topic de jure right now? Is pricing coming up more from a competitive standpoint?

Yes. Thanks for the question, Matt. And everyone, thank you for your patience. I know that was a long call before you got to your questions, but we had a lot of news to share. Let me take the second part of your question head on. We are not seeing pricing pressure period. Nicola mentioned, we saw MTFs actually increase full year last year and Q4 last year. And when we close new deals, of which we announced some great ones. We're not closing them based on price. We closed them based on stronger technology, unique tools like ABS, our continued social expansion that's driven by the most efficient AI video recognition out there. So we're not seeing pricing pressure. We are not addressing or going after new business with an aggressive price structure. And to be clear, we're winning new deals and taking market share at MTFs that are, were increased last year.

Yes. No, that's really helpful. And I guess moving to the second question, I'll kind of revisit a piece of the first. But Nicola, when you're thinking about guidance, can you give us some of this color and, it certainly is not lost on us that we like to think of things as kind of core-core or maybe not counting our chickens before they hatch. But we went through so many secular tailwinds between social and retail media, the ramp in international, the retail media, Scibids. How are you thinking about just kind of balancing these opportunities as we look out through the year, kind of how you're thinking about the impact that had on your guidance?

Yes. So as we've always said and we said it again today, we look for a view on the year that's core-on-core. And core-on-core for us because it is not part of our core is continued growth in ABS, right? Two-thirds of the growth even in the last quarter, which was a very strong quarter of growth where ABS was from existing customers using ABS on more and more of their impression. So core-on-core assumes a continued growth from existing customer on ABS. It assumes continued growth on social. Just as a reminder, within the growth rate that we saw in '23, really that only included English language for TikTok as an example. And that's probably a very large growth opportunity for us as we open up new languages above and beyond English. So those are two of the sort of the major ones that you're going to continue to see in addition to international. The fundamental growth drivers of what we saw in '23 are what we expect to continue to see for '24, and that's core-on-core. What's not in that is the Meta opportunity, which is the one that we've been talking over the last few quarters. That is a measured, very measured view for us in 2024 and the numbers that we have -- we're guiding to. We think the upside is large. But we're being measured about how exactly it's going to impact our number, sticking to the core-on-core message. In addition to that, Authentic Attention is also an opportunity where if there is upside and acceleration in adoption, that would be an upside to a quorum for view that we have on guidance and CTV similarly.

And the next question comes from the line of Justin Patterson with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Two, if I can. First, just unpacking the guidance. A little bit more from the prior line of questioning. Could you help us understand a little bit more of just the slower start to the year? Typically, we thought about U.S. being a little more immune to some of the macro pressures in there. I believe you called out brand advertisers starting a little bit more slowly this year. So just would love to hear a little bit more you're seeing there, both from the Activation and Measurement side, and then I'll pause there and follow-up after.

Yes. So, the, what we said, what we're seeing is a slow ramp of our new contracted wins. And these are very large enterprise wins. And until we get in with the client to understand how the product is being rolled out, it's difficult to see how it's actually going to ramp. So that is item one. Item two is a slow start for existing brand advertisers. It's isolated to certain advertisers. It feels specific to their spending pattern. It doesn't feel like a macro item at all. This is a slow start that we expect will ramp as we get into the future quarters. The combination of those two slow starts is what's reflected in our Q1 outlook. The ramp that we expect is really based on what we know to be a relationship with a large enterprise client. It will ramp once our solutions are actually deployed across their entire global spend. We will see the benefit of it. So the ramp is really based on that happening rather than overweighting on say, Meta opportunity, as I was discussing before. It remains core-on-core. It's just added spend coming later than originally anticipated.

Got it. That's helpful. And then for the next question, I just wanted to go back to the tech platform and the very healthy gross margins. You're saying, I know for short-form video that you're pretty unique towards how you're approaching brand safety there. As we think about just short form scaling up over the next few years, how do you think about just some of the efficiencies on the tech platform providing more room to invest around the next growth opportunities for DV going forward?

Yes, thanks. It's a great take, Justin. We've been talking over the last 12 to 18 months on how much we've invested in R&D. Even versus kind of peers in the marketplace. And this is where it really starts to pay off. If you look at where we're talking about growth, we focused a ton on short-form video. Right now, social -- video on social is something like over 60%, almost 70% of total volume. That means if we're going to grow in social, we have to analyze social video. Building the tool set that we had to analyze and use AI to do predictive modeling across that video and do so in a way that's highly accurate, that meets all the standards of the social platforms that we are and can scale to massive levels, that's something that could break you if you don't do it right. And as you've seen, we're guiding towards really nice gross margins, even though a very big chunk of our growth is going to come from this video. So our investments in R&D, our investments in analyzing video are really starting to pay off because as that sector grows, you'll see that we're not seeing any additional degradation of our gross margin cost due to hosting or technical costs of analyzing that video. That's a real win for us.

The next question comes from the line of Raimo Lenschow with Barclays.

This is Frank on for Raimo. Any way to quantify what you're embedding in the guide from the Meta opportunity? And what are some of the key metrics that you point us to for evaluating the progression on that opportunity?

So we mentioned a growth rate so far this year regarding that of a total of over 50% growth so far year-to-date. That's in the context of a few things. First off, we launched across Instagram and Facebook Reels last year, which added some additional inventory. We've now launched in late January, the News Feed opportunity, right? So if you think about if you want to scale kind of where Facebook and where Meta sat with us last year, it was roughly, let's say, 7% of our overall revenue. Growing at 50%-ish or so this year, if you take 7% of our revenue last year of the $500 million, you're looking close to $40 million. So if we're growing at 50%-ish or so across all of those different lines this year, you're looking at another $20 million of revenue across all of the Meta properties that -- there's a potential there. Now that's if we continue to maintain the growth rate. We've got some year-over-year comps. Remember, we launched across Reels in Instagram mid last year, but we've got the additional News Feed on here. So I'd say something roughly in that range is where we're going to see that met opportunity panning out across all the new things that we've covered there.

And the next question comes from the line of Youssef Squali with Truist Securities.

One, starting with the Uniqlo. I think you mentioned that you believe MTF should remain stable. I'm not sure you were referring if that was a kind of a formal outlook for 2020 for it because I think you mentioned that before you start talking about the outlook. But the point is out of that 22% growth in the revenue guide for 2024, can you maybe help us parse out volume versus price and MTFs are to remain stable? Why is that considering the mix shift going on? And then I have a quick follow-up.

Yes. So Youssef, what we mentioned in the remarks is that we anticipate most of the growth to come from volume. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, right? The MTM is really driving the continued growth of the business. From an MTF perspective, we grew in Q4 of '23. We grew full year 2023. The growth that we saw was based on a mix shift towards premium priced products. It's slightly offset by the fact that we're expanding internationally quite aggressively. But overall, it did increase. The statement we made is we do not expect those to go down based on us needing to lower the price of the products that we have in the market. The likely, our expectation is that we will continue to see strong MTF because we're able to continue to upsell premium priced products. And our perspective is not that we have to necessarily reduce the MTF on other products.

Awesome. That's very clear now. And just on the linearity of the year as we look throughout 2024. Typically, your Q1 is maybe 21%, 22% of revenues. I think based on your guide, it looks more like high teens. So, and I understand kind of the color you just given at around the brand advertisers, some of the large new enterprises coming on. But maybe help us think through how, where you, when do you make up the shortfall in Q1? Does Q2 kind of retract and do we see kind of a nice uptick in Q2? Or does it, is it more linear across the three quarters?

Yes. I think what we're going to see is we said it in our remarks, it is going to be heavier weighted towards the second half of the year versus the first half of the year. It's probably 1 to 2 points in terms of revenue share between the first half to the second half. So you can kind of see sort of the ramp starting after Q1 if you take that as a guide.

And our next question comes from the line of Arjun Bhatia with William Blair.

Yes. Perfect. Maybe if I can start on some of the large customer wins that you talked about that are signed and contracted but haven't started recognizing revenue from those yet. In Q4, Q1, is that larger than it's been in historical periods? Or maybe if we compare to 2023 and 2022, have you seen a greater activity of larger customers that are taking longer ramp? Just maybe expand on that a little bit, if you could, please.

Yes, it's a great question, Arjun. We see this periodically when we nail a couple of large businesses. If you remember, Q2 of last year, we closed a couple of really big deals. They started a little bit slower than we expected, and it created a bit of a drag. I think as we start moving into these large enterprise global customers like Pepsi and Haleon, et cetera, they do take a bit of time to scale up. And as Nicola noted, we are learning over time, the bigger the customer and whether or not they're launching globally all at once or they're launching market by market, there is a bit of a drag that creates some level of predictability challenges for us. That being said, I think I would say this year, pipeline and the deals that we closed in the pipeline were pretty comparable to last year. Last year, we closed a bunch of big deals coming into the year. And we see this kind of ebb and flow of big deals coming in. And I think that's, it's just the nature of the game. We're talking a couple -- when we're looking at this, this is a couple of million dollars here or there on the edges, which I know makes a big difference for how we look at the year. But as Nicola noted when we provided the guide for the year, we're guiding based on core-on-core growth on pipeline deals that are closed and we expect to ramp. So we know that these are going to come in. They're just coming in a bit slower than we would have hoped.

Okay. That's very helpful, Mark. And then if I can maybe just revisit the pricing aspect a little bit. Obviously, I know you've said you don't want to compete on price and you have a superior product to be able to do that. But when you have a competitor in market that is using aggressive pricing tactics, how do you think you might respond if that continues into the future? Is there enough of ROI differential that you can continue to compete on product? Or do we have to go down this price route at some point?

Yes. So it's a great ask. And I think the way we look at this is, if we were just competing on the same products that did the same things and delivered the same results, then, yes, we'd have to look at price, but we're not. We're looking at a differentiated set of solutions. Everything from Scibids optimization to what we do on ABS, which no one else has, to even now the speed and efficacy of our social business, which if you look at how our social grew versus how some others in the markets grew, grew twice as fast. If we had the same product in social, how are we growing twice as fast in social, right? So it really is a strategy of saying the investments we made in product and in R&D over the last 12 to 18 months are allowing us to charge a premium. And the solutions that are basic that go head-to-head with each other, sure, if we just have those, you'd end up in a pricing situation. We're not there as exemplified by increasing MTFs in Q4 and for the full year last year. And that's why we're being very clear in saying, we're not going out there and attacking deals on price. Doesn't mean that we aren't competitive. It doesn't mean that we don't get into the market. But if you look at our greenfield wins, still close to 60%. That means we're winning new deals, not going out and just trying to take share from our competitors by driving price. We’re winning deals based on functionality and winning deals on differentiation.

And the next question comes from the line of Michael Graham with Canaccord Genuity.

My two quick questions are: number one, on ABS. You mentioned 45% growth and also called it out as an expected source of strength in 2024. And can you just frame out how much penetration you think is left with your customers? I mean you mentioned that a lot of your customers are sort of increasing their deployment of that product. So maybe just frame out how much you think is left there? And then just a quick one on how the election year might have factored into your full year guidance would be helpful to understand?

And that's great question, Michael. I hope everything is okay there. I'm hearing the sirens in the background.

I don't know what's going on out there on Fifth Avenue, but it's loud, sorry.

I thought you're up in Boston. So look, ABS for us continues to be a bright spot. And I think the key couple of things to think about are, A, 65% of our top 500 customers use ABS, which means in those top 50 we still have over a third who haven't used them, number one. Number two, if you look at our growth last quarter, 66% of that growth came from existing ABS users. So even when we penetrate a user, so we go and add a new top 500 customer, they still grow. They're still, they're adding new markets. They're adding new lines of business. So we had existing ABS customer expansions with Amazon, with Pfizer, with Walmart. A lot of growth is still -- there's a lot of still growth opportunity there is what I'm getting at. And I think it's a great testament to the efficacy of the product. Second half of your question on elections, it's interesting. We didn't bake anything into our guide for elections. I think it's something that is a bit of a wildcard, right? I can have the intent to create lots of incendiary content and more demand for our solutions. But we also know that sometimes it crowds out traditional advertisers from buying impressions. So I think net-net, we've looked at as neutral for our business. And again, as Nicola said, we're not driving or betting growth on things that are still questionable. We're betting our growth in our guidance on things that we have in the hopper and that we can predict.

The next question comes from the line of Andrew Boone with JMP Securities.

Mark, you talked about the $20 million from Meta. And I know that we've asked you this in the past. But if you think about Meta and more of a medium-term opportunity, can you come back and help size the overall potential of brand safety on Meta?

It's a great question, Andrew. I think it's a bit early for us to size out Meta, the brand safety aspect on its own. In combination with the other things we've launched across, we know there's significant growth opportunity for sure. We do know, and we've said this before, only about half of our top 100 customers use us for measurement across Meta today, whereas across YouTube, another incredibly popular social platform, we are over 90% penetrated. So I think that the addition, we've said this in the past, the addition of News Feed coverage is certainly going to attract new customers into social. I don't think we've factored that fully into it as of today. And again, we're being measured in how we look at that growth trajectory of that solution. But net-net, the addition of coverage of Instagram Reels and now the News Feed make Meta a really a strong driver and a strong growth catalyst. We've seen it in the last year, ending up the year with social growing at 62% and Meta was a big part of that.

And then, Mark, we've talked about in the past couple of quarters kind of Scibids and its opportunity to bring on new customers. Can you just update us there now as the product has been longer through your sales force and is maturing in terms of your go-to-market? What are you seeing there in terms of that being a new own ramp for customers?

Yes. And the interesting about Scibids is we talked about it like this is some of the solution that we've had for years and the teams are -- we've only had it for around a quarter, a full quarter. And it's generated a ton of excitement. We talked about 40% of our new customer wins so far this year are actually testing out Scibids. That's pretty huge. If you think about the attach rate of a new product to a new close, at almost 50%, it's pretty big, right? So again, we're being tempered in how we look at how that business can grow, but it goes into that bucket of differentiators, right? It goes into that bucket of things that takes us out of the pricing muck and allows us to continue to drive premium -- a premium approach to our customers. So we like it. We know customers are interested in it. We know it's something unique that DV has. And when I talked about in the call how it's changing the way we look at verification, it really is. We're starting to look at not just Scibids as a stand-alone, but how we can plug it into things like pre-screen on social video, how we can plug it into other types of social networks, et cetera. It's a really neat tool set that I think we've got a lot of bandwidth to kind of continue to push.

The next question comes from the line of Matthew Cost with Morgan Stanley.

You talked about the slower start to the year for existing brands. But I wonder if we zoom out and just think about the behavior of brand advertisers versus performance advertisers. Is there any difference that you would call out that you've seen in 4Q and into 2024 in terms of the willingness of brand versus performance to lean into the product offerings, whether that's adopting new products or expanding usage of one that they already use?

It's a great question. I think that for us, and I'm not going to paint the entire brand advertiser category in one way because that's not what we're saying. I think we just had some selected customer who had slower growth in the first couple of months of the year. I don't think there's anything brand versus performance that we really would talk about, other than that a handful of retail and CTV clients that we had, had a slower start to the year. So I don't think there's a ton to look there into there on brand versus performance.

And the next question comes from the line of Brian Pitz with BMO Capital Markets.

Mark, you mentioned Scibids before. Maybe just an update, further update there around your pre-bid MFA Avoidance Announcement, perhaps an opportunity on the broader precampaign planning and activation market. As you see it, just maybe some of the early customer feedback? I know you said it's still early.

Yes. Thanks, Brian, for the question. I mean if you've hung around the ad space for the last 8 to 12 months, MFA has probably been the hottest topic out there besides really bad generative AI tools. I think that the MFA area is one in which advertisers first looked at using a meet clever to attack. And I think that was at the detriment of a lot of great publishers, particularly marginalized publishers who are being excluded from media buys. And where we approach this and saying, look, MFA is not this monolithic definition of content. Advertisers need to interpret based on specific rules, what they are comfortable with. And that was the launch of our MFA pre-bid product set, the second Gen that we just launched this week, which basically allows advertisers to tier, how they filter out content to, and they can do that in addition to exclusion lists or any other specific sites they want to have. But what it does is it allows them to balance reach performance and specific sites that they also want to include in those lists. And the feedback has been great. We had some coverage recently in the press about advertisers who are certainly looking for more of a scalpel than a Meet Clever, and this fits that bill perfectly. The cool part about this as well, as this plugs right into our ABS tool set. So again, we've got a differentiated and powerful tool set in ABS, and now we've made it even more powerful by plugging MFA tiers into there, allowing advertisers to dynamically optimize what they're doing on the upfront as well. So we're pretty fired up about MFA. We're fired up about what we've been able to do different than our competitors and how it plugs into a tool that's totally proprietary to us.

Got it. And then just maybe a quick political follow-on to an earlier question. How big of a problem is avoiding this information or fake news for your clients, particularly as it relates to ad placement next to UGC videos?

This is something that we started talking about in 2020. We launched officially our political news task force in 2022, but really hadn't been going before then. And in which we hear from customers all the time. I mean these ebbs and flows, but one thing we do know and we saw this in the 2022 mid-terms, is that during heated elections, no surprise, we see not only more inflammatory news and political content, but we see more hate speech, we see more disinformation. And in more competitive races and this isn't just national, but local, more competitive the race is in the state, the higher instances we see of things like hate speech. That becomes scary for advertisers. And again, going back to the MFA discussion I have, in the past, their choice was, well, I am using Meet Clever and just block news. I want to be away from UGC. I want to be away from news. I'm going to shut things off. We're giving them a scalpel again so that the legitimate news, legitimate content and UGC that doesn't violate those areas of misinformation, disinformation, inflammatory news and politics and hate speech isn't excluded. So it’s some place where advertisers are leaning into. Again, we don't see it as a category in its own that's going to drive business for us. We think it is just another value-add that our solution provides that makes us sticky with our customers.

And the next question comes from the line of Brian Fitzgerald with Wells Fargo.

Maybe one little differential when you think about third-party cookies and probably Sandbox after looking over the back and forth between the IV Tech Labs and Google. It seems as though there is still some work to be done there in terms of allowing for verification on the new on-device auctions. Could you talk about your preparations there and how you think about both the risks and the opportunities around on device auctions? How you think cookie deprecation pans out for you guys?

Yes, for sure, Brian. So we've been obviously prepping for this for a long time. We're fully engaged with kind of multiple working groups that are working on Google's privacy Sandbox, and we're pretty confident that we'll have a seamless transition of services as the Sandbox and the deprecation of cookies become implemented over time. There's a lot of moving parts, but this is one thing where Google has been pretty open and leaning in and making sure that they become good partners to the ecosystem. And we've had a relationship with Google on multiple levels for many years. The Sandbox, the privacy Sandbox, although not perfect, is certainly going to be a place where we're going to be able to deliver our services and solutions, and we're working with the right people to make sure that happens.

And the next question comes from the line of Omar Dessouky with Bank of America.

So you sounded fairly confident on ABS and you did specify that new contract wins were driving the lower guidance -- excuse, driving the low teens guidance for the first quarter. So is it fair to assume that those newly contracted wins are ramping their measurement volumes slower than previous history and that they're still early in the up-sell process?

Yes. I think that's exactly right, Omar. The onboarding process for large enterprise clients would start on the Measurement side. And so that's where you're going to see the initial impact of their ramp, and that will leave the Activation and the upsell opportunity for the premium price product for the second phase.

Okay. Great. And then as you look into calendar '24, which geography will drive most of the growth in the Activation revenues? And can you give us some sense of whether international is -- if there's any market structure difference in international that makes it a less high-growth market than the U.S.?

I mean the international markets are, for us, this is a high-growth area just because the opportunities for us to go after Greenfield opportunities is still greater, right? There's just more opportunities outside of the U.S. than they are in the U.S. And so if you look at our growth for the rest of the world is 43% in the fourth quarter of '23. So it is spread across both EMEA and APAC. There was a bit of a disjointed growth trajectory for those two areas, the year prior to last one when the macro was a different environment. But right now, we're seeing growth in all areas of rest of the world.

So I was just trying to hone in specifically on Activation. So your comments apply to that segment as well?

Yes, I think actually, the patterns don't really change too much between Measurement and Activation in terms of the opportunity that we have internationally.

The next question comes from the line of Laura Martin with Needham & Company.

Great. I have two. So following up on your Scibids answer that you said 40% of your new customers are testing Scibids. What I like best about that acquisition as they got paid as a percent of revenue where it's historically DoubleVerify has always gotten paid on a fixed fee per 1,000 impressions. My question is, as these new customers are adopting Scibids or at least testing it, are they still getting paid as a percent of revenue? So does that sort of lend revenue diversification to your business model over time? I guess that's my question.

Okay. Great hearing from you, Laura. Yes, they are still pursuing a percentage of media model. And I like the way you framed it as kind of revenue-type diversification. We've always thought ourselves as transactional SaaS, which is fixed and has its pluses, but as you know, in this space, when CPMs go up, it can also have a potential negative as well. So having them as a percentage of revenue, I think, is an interesting opportunity for us. We get to take advantage of some of those increased CPMs that we may see down the road.

Okay. Fantastic news. And then my second question is on, one of the things I see going on in, for these big brands, like you call on the biggest 100 brands. And one of the things I see them doing is trying to tie connected television all the way down to performance like full funnel. And I think that's what we see in Amazon's AVOD addition to its streaming tier and Walmart's acquisition of VIZIO. So my question to you is as these big brands that are your core customers, do more to drive their, all of their advertising in the performance, even what's historically been top of funnel rather than just CTM based. Is that good for you or is that bad for you, DoubleVerify?

It's a great question. I don't think, I think -- I want to say it's neutral. And by that, if we look at where we've come from all the other platforms we're on, so social, mobile, open web. All of those have performance capabilities and performance-type advertisers and brand type advertisers. CTV will eventually start to look at that in the same way as you noted, connecting a closed-loop aspect of it. And I think that our core value prop in those places is very similar to the core value prop that we'll see in CTV, which is ensuring that, that spend, whether it's evaluated on a closed-loop batch basis or on some type of brand metric is secure, fraud-free, viewable and brand safe. So I think it doesn't really change the value prop. And the cool thing for us is since we are integrated into all the top 10 CTV platforms at the app level. If there's an opportunity for us, for example, to start looking at driving performance through a tool like Scibids, we're already there, and we've already kind of built those hooks and those connections. So I think down the road, it could be something interesting for us. But net-net, I think it's more of the same that we've seen across other media types.

And our final question comes from the line of Mark Murphy with JPMorgan.

This Arti on for Mark Murphy. Just a touch base again on the certain brand advertisers that are kind of starting a little bit slower this year. Is there any kind of common thread between them, whether it's kind of what's causing that geography, industry, anything along those lines worth kind of discussing?

No. I mean, look, we're not going to pin this to macro. I don't think it's a macro thing. It's a bit anomalous. We have a couple of retailers are having a tough go of it, a CPG company is having some issues regarding ramping up spend based on some challenges they have. It's not really anything I think we can pin to either a vertical in any way or a macro in any way. It just happens to be a handful of customer spending slower than they did last year.

That's very helpful. And then just a follow-up, and I know it's early on, but with Scibids are you guys able to kind of use that new set of solutions to speak with customers that maybe you just weren't speaking, didn't make sense to before that you can now? I'll step back into the queue.

100%. So in some cases, and we may have mentioned before, we're even talking to folks who aren't using our core measurement solutions right now. But they know that there's pretty much not another great optimization opportunity like this around. So it gets our foot in the door with them as well. So it does, it's spun a lot of conversations. And as we noted, even with folks we are talking to, almost 50% of them so far this year, the new deals we closed are testing it. So it's a good uptick and a good attach rate.

There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to Mark for any closing comments.

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