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Diana Shipping Inc. (DSX)

Q1 2015 Earnings Call· Wed, May 13, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Diana Shipping Inc. 2015 First Quarter Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Ed Nebb, Investor Relations Adviser. Thank you, you may begin.

Edward Nebb

Analyst

Thank you, Christine and thanks to all of you for joining us on Diana Shipping Inc.'s First Quarter 2015 Conference Call. The members of the management team who are with us today are Mr. Simeon Palios, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Anastasios Margaronis, President; Mr. Andreas Michalopoulos, Chief Financial Officer; Mr. Ioannis Zafirakis, Chief Operating Officer and Secretary; and Ms. Maria Dede, Chief Accounting Officer. Before management begins their remarks, let me briefly summarize the Safe Harbor notice. Certain statements made during this conference call, which are not statements of historical fact, are forward-looking statements under the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. The forward-looking statements are based on assumptions, expectations, projections and beliefs as to future events that may not prove to be accurate for a description of the risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause future results to differ from the forward-looking statements, please refer to the company's filings with the SEC. And now with that, let me turn the call over to Mr. Simeon Palios, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer.

Simeon Palios

Analyst

Thank you, Ed. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today to discuss the results of Diana Shipping Inc. for the first quarter of 2015. During the quarter, we pursued a number of strategic actions to position the company well for the future. Specifically, we continue to expand our fleet by enhancing our financial flexibility with new long facilities. More recently, last week, we announced a new fleet management joint venture, which should provide an attractive opportunity to generate additional revenue over time. To review our financial results, the company recorded a net loss of USD 10.8 million and a net loss attributed to common stockholders of USD 12.2 million for the first quarter of 2015. This is compared with a net loss of USD 6 million and a net loss attributed to common stockholders of USD 6.8 million for the first quarter of 2014. Our time charter revenues were USD 42 million for the 2015 first quarter compared to USD 41.1 million a year ago. The increase over the year-ago period was mainly due to the expansion of our fleet, partly offset by reduced time charter rates. Diana Shipping continued to maintain a fortress balance sheet, reflecting cash equivalent of more than USD 231 million. Long-term debt, net of deferred financing costs, including the current quarter was USD 540 million compared to stockholders equity of USD 1.27 billion. I am pleased to note that on May 8, the company announced the formation of a new 50-50 joint venture with Wilhelmsen Ship Management, a leading fleet manager. The joint venture named Diana Wilhelmsen Management Limited will begin operations later in the second quarter of this year and will initially provide management services to a limited number of vessels of Diana Shipping's fleet. Our goal for the future is to…

Anastasios C. Margaronis

Analyst

Thank you, Simeon, and good morning to all the participants in this quarterly conference call of Diana Shipping Inc. Unfortunately, the poor market conditions present in the [indiscernible] market since the beginning of the year have not changed much thus far. This can be easily seen by the levels of the Baltic Cape Indices and the amount of pessimism, which have crept into the market steadily over the last couple of quarters. On January 2 this year, we bought the dry index to the 771 and closed today 634. The Baltic Panamax Index started the year at 827 and closed a few hours ago at 584. As for the Baltic Cape Index it fared rather better and started the year at 456, only to close today at 942. It is worth noting that nearly half this increase came over the last 24 hours. According to Gibson Shipping Energy, the Capesize Baltic's 5 time charter rate on May 13, which is today, was USD 6,976 per day and the Panamax Baltic's 4 time charter rate was USD 4,661 per day. Just look first at macroeconomic development. The International Monetary Fund has kept its forecast of global growth in 2015 unchanged from January estimates at 3.5%. For 2015, the advanced economy was staging a comeback as the IMF has forecast 2.4% growth in 2015 against 1.8% in 2014. But as the emerging markets and developing economies, assets grow by 4.3% this year against 4.6% last year. The Eurozone is expected to grow by 1.5% this year and the U.S. by 3.1%. As far as India is concerned, the IMF projects 7.5% growth in both 2015 and 2016. China is expected to grow by 6.8% this year and by 6.3% next. Looking at supply and demand in general, according to Clarkson's current projections…

Andreas C. Michalopoulos

Analyst

Thank you, Stasi, and good morning. I'm pleased to be discussing today with you Diana's operational results for the 3 months ended March 31, 2015. Net loss amounted to $10.8 million, net loss attributed to common stockholders amounted to $12.2 million and loss of common share was $0.16. Time charter revenues increased to $42 million compared to $41.1 million in the first quarter of 2014. The increase was attributable to revenues derived from the vessels Crystaila delivered in February 2014. Atalandi, delivered in May 2014, G. P. Zafirakis delivered in August 2014 and Santa Barbara delivered in January 2015. This increase was partly offset by decreased revenues due to the decreased averaged time charter rates that we achieved for our retros during the quarter compared with the same quarter of 2014. Ownership days were 3,588 for the first quarter of 2015 compared to 3,280 in the same quarter of 2014. Fleet utilization was 99.1% compared to 98.8% in the same quarter of 2014. And the daily time charter equivalent rate was $10,532 compared to $11,820 in the same quarter of 2014. Voyage expenses were $4.9 million for the quarter compared to $2.4 million for the same quarter of 2014. The increase in voyage expenses were due to bunkers resulting from the redelivery of vessels in the quarter. Vessels -- vessel-operating expenses amounted to $28 -- $21.8 million compared to $20.7 million in the first quarter of 2014, and increased by 5%. The increase was attributable to the 9% increase in ownership days resulting from the enlargement of the fleet. Daily operating expenses decreased mainly due to the decreased crew cost, stores, spares and taxes as a result of the decrease of euro compared to the U.S. dollar. The decrease was partly offset by increased insurances, repairs and maintenance cost and…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Amit Mehrotra with Deutsche Bank.

Amit Mehrotra

Analyst

I joined a little late as I was on another call, so apologies if you've covered this. But if I'm correct, I believe you have a very quantitative process engaging the sentiment in the dry bulk market, which sort of compares the second-hand S&P activities to time charter rates over time. So can you just tell us specifically how you look at that and what the data is currently telling you?

Ioannis Zafirakis

Analyst

Amit, this is Ioannis Zafirakis, speaking. It's a bit difficult to answer your question because today, we saw, again, rates going to $12,000 for a 2-year period for a Cape, somewhere there. So if you want to utilize this rate or the 1-year time charter rate to see the sale and purchase activity in the sentiment of the market, we have to say that we are still -- have the exact real values of the vessels, still on the high side based on the earnings capacities of the vessels. Certainly, we have ended up in a situation where people are more pessimistic than previously, but still, to cut the long story short, we think there is some way to go if we want to end up in the real values of the vessels based on the revenue capacity and the future earnings capacity.

Amit Mehrotra

Analyst

So you think over the next 3 to 4 months or 6 months, either the earnings capacity is going to go up or the asset value is going to come down?

Ioannis Zafirakis

Analyst

Yes.

Amit Mehrotra

Analyst

Okay. All right, let me just have a follow-up. Stasi, I was a little disappointed that there was no Shakespeare quote this quarter, but with respect to sort of the light at the end of the tunnel, scrappage just clearly accelerated, but we've also obviously had unprecedented supply growth. So can you just tell us, where does net supply, in your view, need to go to at the end of the day to sort of drive some supply-driven recovery? And we've obviously thought a lot -- hearing a lot about scrappage, but maybe can you also give us some thoughts on how many vessels you think are currently laid up, either warm or cold lay-ups in the current market, just some information what you think needs to happen on the supply side to drive recovery?

Anastasios C. Margaronis

Analyst

Thank you. As for Shakespeare or other classics, we have to wait for some inspiration to come and then we will revert to that. But on scrapping, which is a little mundane, we will say the following. Scrapping will continue for as long as ships are particularly trading at rates that cover their operating expenses. For Panamax, this still seems to be the case. For Capes, as of lately, it's not, or in case, marginal. So if scrapping continues at what we saw during the first 3 months, we will have a good chance of having supply of bulk carriers increase this year by September, 3%. Now that might bring a turnaround in the market overnight or over a quarter event. But it will be very encouraging if it is followed, as I said earlier, with a controlled ordering or hopefully, no ordering, or further new building. So in answering your question, we need supply to grow just under 3% for a couple of years and hopefully, scrapping to increase over 30 million, 35 million deadweight tons for a couple of years, especially now for larger ships because up to now, we have been seeing smaller ships being scrapped. And now we're beginning to run out of the old vessels and we have to tap the older large bulk carrier pool, which is growing age wise. So I hope that answers 3 parts of your question, maybe I'm missing one.

Amit Mehrotra

Analyst

Just one clarification. The sub 3% growth, does that include the accelerated scrappage, or is that exclusive of the scrappage?

Anastasios C. Margaronis

Analyst

No, that's -- is a net-net increase.

Amit Mehrotra

Analyst

Okay. And then, the last -- you didn't address the lay-ups, that was the last question, what you're seeing there.

Anastasios C. Margaronis

Analyst

Yes, on lay-ups, we haven't seen any official figures on cold lay-ups yet. There are some ships that are waiting for orders, I heard, and it's probably correct, October 17, Panamax is heading for the River Plate to be there for the grain loading, which is not very encouraging. It means that they've got nothing better to do than to ballast South America, so this is not a lay-up, officially. But for all intents and purposes, these ships will have been without business until they load for between 5 and 8 weeks. So yes, there are no official yet figures on cold lay-ups, but there are ships which are drifting and waiting for orders, whether in Singapore or heading for South America or elsewhere in the world, like East or West Africa.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Gregory Lewis with Crédit Suisse.

Gregory Lewis

Analyst

Stasi, it sound like -- it seems like we don't go a week now without seeing at least -- hearing about one shipyard in China or elsewhere that seems to be in financial trouble or distress. Have you guys tried to quantify that at all in terms of what that means for supply over the next couple of years? And potentially, how much of the order book are you seeing at that risk.

Simeon Palios

Analyst

It's going to be very difficult because -- bear in mind that the reports from China are very limited. But overall, there is a slowdown process in building ships in China and especially from yards. There are not states on yards. The private yards have some difficulties in finding [indiscernible]. So this will create some problems in building and maybe some of the vessels which are about to be completed, they will not be completed on time, and that will create a sort of problem and a slippage of course. So I think the psychology is that we are moving the forces on the right direction. But to give you a number will be very difficult because it involves time.

Gregory Lewis

Analyst

And just following up on that. Given some of the these ship yards positions and Diana's position, have they -- have yards been approaching you to potentially take on some of these more riskier orders, and is that something that the company is thinking about potentially doing?

Simeon Palios

Analyst

Well, not really the yards. But there are some [indiscernible] in the marketplace today that you can put your hands on, but not that necessarily from the yards. From the present owners, yes, there are.

Gregory Lewis

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then just one more for me. Clearly, you guys have a fair amount of cash on the balance sheet. But as the company has built out its fleet, there are still a couple of new builds. That's still at a very manageable level, but it has picked up a little bit. Given the uncertainty out there, at a certain point, does Diana go into an even more defensive mode and just really try to keep existing cash on the balance sheet and just manage the vessels that it's scheduled to take delivery over for the next few years?

Anastasios C. Margaronis

Analyst

We have been very conservative with our modeling, and the most pessimistic number still gives us a leeway to continue with our investment strategy for the periods that we have discussed before, and certainly, at the same time, make sure, that the company will have no problems whatsoever meeting its obligations and surviving in case of a prolonged down market. We do not intend to change the pace of purchases and you should expect us to -- you should expect Diana to keep buying or investing $15 million to $20 million every 2 months or so.

Andreas C. Michalopoulos

Analyst

Don't forget, Greg, that we have also increased our liquidity in the last quarter by making sure that we leverage the vessels that we had on mortgage up until now. We use to file extension at the beginning of the call, with 3 new launch, 1 extension of 4 vessels that were on mortgage with Nordea, and the Santa Barbara, with Danish Ship Finance, et cetera. And we intend to also leverage, as is our strategy the new vessels acquired.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ben Nolan with Stifel.

Benjamin Nolan

Analyst · Stifel.

My first question, just in listening to your commentary, I don't know, is it just me, you do sound, although very guarded, maybe a little bit more optimistic about at least the longer-term outlook for the market than maybe had been the case in the past? Are you starting to feel like maybe we're close to a bottom here, or is that just me maybe sort of drawing too much in the way of conclusions?

Anastasios C. Margaronis

Analyst · Stifel.

Actually, what we are saying is that certainly, when someone sees the scrapping that we saw recently, there is no doubt that he or we can say that this a move over the right direction. Nevertheless, the problem that we had -- all of us have created throughout the years is much bigger than something that can change with half a year of good scrapping. For example, the fastest you can steel charter for $12,000 in Capesize for 2 years is not something that leads our way of thinking to be optimistic about the near term. As we have always said, the market at any point is going to turn, but we still have a long way to go, especially, we need more scrapping, we need rates to go further down and vessel prices to go further down and people to get really pessimistic about the market. This is not the case yet.

Benjamin Nolan

Analyst · Stifel.

Right. Okay. And then, you just mentioned that sort of the strategy is still to maybe acquire a new vessel, maybe every 2 months or so. I'm curious how you think of your capital availability to be able to do that? How much -- given where the balance sheet is today, how much capital do you feel like is within range without overly stressing the balance sheet for you guys?

Anastasios C. Margaronis

Analyst · Stifel.

We still have a very low leverage even with the increased finance that our CFO described earlier, our net debt position is still very low and if you are at the bottom of the market, the absolute bottom of the market being at 70% or even 80% financing, something that we are not afraid doing, we are still far away from there, and therefore, our liquidity, we feel, as we said earlier, is sufficient that we can keep our investment program intact.

Benjamin Nolan

Analyst · Stifel.

Okay. But no sort of rough number we could -- you could spend as of now?

Anastasios C. Margaronis

Analyst · Stifel.

We're saying that we can spend another $150 million from our own equity easily and still be left with some kind of size to -- as a safety valve. 250 equity, it $300-plus million in new purchases.

Benjamin Nolan

Analyst · Stifel.

Sure, sure. Yes, absolutely. And then lastly, just sort of along the same lines, you guys have, I believe, 4 new buildings scheduled to come on line in the next 12 months or so. Do you have all of the financing in place for those? Or where does that stand for those vessels?

Simeon Palios

Analyst · Stifel.

We are in a very good shape with the financing of those vessels, yes. But as soon as it will be fully in place, we will come up with an announcement as we do every time.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Donald McLee with Wells Fargo.

Donald McLee

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

A couple of my questions have already been addressed. But I just want to touch on scrapping again. Based on your comments, accelerated scrapping and demolitions remain kind of the primary avenue, just from a sentiment and the dry bulk market. And basically, you've come in as playing a waiting game at this point. I was wondering whether some of the competitive advantages you think you have at DSX enables you play that waiting game longer than your peers?

Maria Dede

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Yes. I think what we've mentioned up to now regarding the balance sheet strength and the methods we apply in acquiring tonnage means that yes, we have -- or we feel we at least a better chance of succeeding in the waiting game that we have been engaged in over the last couple of years. And of course, we don't have scrap candidates ourselves, but we feel that the market conditions, as they will be over the next couple for quarters, will dictate that certain owners faced with the uncertainty of spending considerable sums of money marketing, survey, special surveys, and on occasions, even [indiscernible] will consider the scrapping option, especially in lieu of the fact that prices have been holding up rather better than we had thought they would up to now. So at around $400 per lightweight ship displacement, a Capesize fleet is worth quite a bit of money sold in scrap.

Operator

Operator

Our Next question comes from the line of Fotis Giannakoulis with Morgan Stanley.

Fotis Giannakoulis

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

I want to point out some of the market remarks that Mr. Margaronis has made earlier, and there seems to be some contradiction in the different research reports among analysts on close of iron ore. On the one hand, we have this is very high supply of -- seaborne supply from Australia and Brazil. On the other hand, we have seen that the iron ore demand in China is quite weak. It has declined -- it will be declining at the beginning of the year. How do you think that this is going to balance?

Anastasios C. Margaronis

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Well, we don't have, unfortunately, a crystal ball, which will enable us to see how the Chinese are going to handle their future iron ore imports, and that is why my remarks may appear a little bit fuzzy and sounds like an oracle from Delphi temples. But unfortunately, what we have here is the desire, obviously, by iron ore traders in China to take advantage of low prices, which means that they're trading the commodity. And the stockpiles of these commodities that exist and will, I think, personally increase these large quantities of iron ore, which are not used at the same pace from steel mills keep being imported in China and this is what is worrying us a lot at this point in time. So unless we see steel production increasing and steel exports from China increasing, I don't think it is feasible to assume that China will continue importing the iron ore that we have seen it import over the last few quarters. And I also doubt whether again to see seaborne iron ore trade increase at 6%, the rate drops we are predicting for the whole of the year. As I said, there's too much here at play between speculation on the price of the commodity and actual demand, all this under the fear of possible reduced steel output.

Fotis Giannakoulis

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

That was very helpful. I think that you mentioned about if we see a couple of years of declining fleet growth below 3% and this kind of scrapping that we have been seeing in the last few months, then, the market will balance. Is this assumption or this conclusion that we came to base on a growing steel production with China, or that would be sufficient to absorb the excess tonnage even in a scenario where a Chinese steel production is not increasing?

Anastasios C. Margaronis

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Well, obviously, the slower China grows, the slower it will take to absorb surplus of tonnage. However, we have to keep an eye on Capesize earnings primarily. Panamax earnings, unfortunately, remain dismal as you saw from the full [indiscernible] rates. If the Capesize earnings blip that we seem to be witnessing over the last couple of days, it's taken as the time of a better period for earnings starting now and lasting for a couple of quarters. Then, as you can imagine, fewer Capes will head for the scrapyards then our assumptions take into account. So we have to watch this very carefully. It's a very recent movement in rate. If we didn't have this up to now, we will feel much more confident that the balance in between supply and demand would start and be well on its way as the middle of this year, and increase based towards the end of this year and early 2016. But let's watch now the Capesize earnings because as you can imagine, it's a 12-month or 18-month contract and bringing in over $11,000 a day for an owner. He will naturally be reluctant to scrap a 15-year-old Cape as we have been assuming might be the case.

Fotis Giannakoulis

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

One last question with -- you mentioned that the prices -- either prices might have to come further down or raise the capital to move up. We tend to focus a lot on the sale of assets from the public companies, but the majority of the industry is still private and I assume that you probably see, every day, a deal that is out there in the market. Have you seen an increase in these distressed sales or from owners that they are trying to get rid of the assets that they cannot support anymore? And what is the view of the banks? How are they reacting to the fact that most of the borrowers they cover are probably servicing their debt?

Simeon Palios

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Well, Fortis, if we go to the container market, you will see how nicely the banks have been nursing their fleets for the last 4 or 5 years. And the reason is that the interest rate is very low. So we expect the interest rate to play a part in the dry bulk market to. So I think that they will be nursing, but up to a point. So the psychology part will play a very big role also. And the forces will be in place, one way or another, will be in place and in -- the different equilibrium will definitely come. It may take a bit longer because the rates -- the interest rates are low, but it will come.

Fotis Giannakoulis

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

What I was trying to understand is, if the pressure that we have seen in asset values has reached a bottom or do you think that there is still a lot of shipowners out there that they will have to sell their assets in order to deal with their obligations? Because on the public side, most of the public companies, they have already reacted. They have done a lot of sales, but we do not have a very good fixture of what is happening in the private world?

Simeon Palios

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

But the prices of the assets today are so low, that you cannot solve your problem by selling your assets. You are rationing your problem by selling your asset. If you can understand what I mean. So that's the way out of it.

Anastasios C. Margaronis

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Fotis, also, we don't entirely agree with your comment that we have seen most of the sales that are scheduled to come from publicly listed companies. As you know, some of them have rather large order books. We don't know what they and their bankers have in mind as regards the new building tonnage, what they're going to be taking delivery of over the next couple of quarters or 3 quarters. So I don't think we have closed that chapter. As regards private owners, again, they are -- the longer the weaker earnings last, I mean, you know that as well as we do, the greater the pressure on private owners and the more ships may have to come out not by choice, because as Mr. Palios said, the problem is not solved -- but by necessity, a sale might transpire. [indiscernible] maybe have to be sold for short-term liquidity, but the problem will remain because of the low values.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Spiro Dounis with UBS.

Spiro Dounis

Analyst · UBS.

I just wanted to follow up on that last question and your comment. I guess just last night, we saw a pretty big equity deal for a peer of yours with some private equity backing, which I know you've been critical of in the past in terms of private equity. But it looks like the pipeline, the equity is still open even after 30-year lows in Capesize market. And I guess that comes as opposed to scrapping vessels or selling right out of the yard. Does it make you nervous, I guess, private equity is still sort of in this space in this way? Is that consistent what you're seeing broadly just outside the public companies?

Ioannis Zafirakis

Analyst · UBS.

It is not a 100% correct that private equity is still here, interested in the shipping industry. Last year, most of the private deals that you have seen in the last 6 months, it is our understanding that they have come out of necessity rather than as being an attractive deal for anyone. So at a point, all of the private -- or most of them that will get are really tired and then, will really exit the shipping industry. Certainly, those are -- they are clever enough and they have the strength to stay alive by having done the right choices in the past. They may produce a nice return, but we're still far away from that point.

Spiro Dounis

Analyst · UBS.

Okay. Fair enough. And then just a quick follow-up on lay-ups. I was wondering if you could walk us through maybe some of the economics and maybe the true cost of laying up of a vessel and how we get to that decision. You, as an owner, I'm not saying you're going to be laying up, but just as you're thinking about rates, are you looking out at rates saying, they're going to be bad for 6 months, a year, over a year? And then, does drive your decision to lay up? Or maybe just through some of the numbers.

Andreas C. Michalopoulos

Analyst · UBS.

The laying up decision is not an easy one. It has to do current rates, but also, it has to do with the anticipation regarding the future. You need to spend money to lay up the vessel and you certainly need money to reactivate a vessel. So you should not expect market to react quickly as regards laying up even if rates are really, really bad. It’s take some time and it takes a lot of blood out in the street for people to start laying up vessels.

Spiro Dounis

Analyst · UBS.

Okay. So I guess, with that in mind, given where the market is and maybe the outlook, maybe, for the rest of the year not being that great, would you expect now that maybe some cash balances have been cut down, we could see that acceleration soon, given that things haven't really improved all that much? Or would you say that it's still too early?

Andreas C. Michalopoulos

Analyst · UBS.

Certainly, the $12,000 for a 2-year period for a Capesize vessel, to date, doesn't help at all. It will decelerate the procedure.

Anastasios C. Margaronis

Analyst · UBS.

In the Panamax side, on the other hand, we might be seeing some lay-ups over the next few months, always depending on the sentiment and anticipate the grade. This is a key factor. And you need also pessimism for the foreseeable future to prevail, not only low rates at present, low current rates, in order to make a decision. As Ioannis said, it's not an easy decision to make. It depends a lot on the location of the lay-up, on the type of ship and also on the type of lay-up that you want to place your ship on.

Ioannis Zafirakis

Analyst · UBS.

And if I may add, you have all noticed that we are wasting most of our time discussing the supply of vessels, scrapping and laying up and we keep forgetting the real dependency on the Chinese trade as regards the demand side in the equation. And this is going to play a very important role to what is going to happen in our industry and it remains to be seen what demand is going to do.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is a follow-up question from Amit Mehrotra with Deutsche Bank.

Amit Mehrotra

Analyst

Just a quick follow up on the acquisition discussion. Up until now your acquisition strategies and very disappointing that...

Andreas C. Michalopoulos

Analyst

Sorry, Amit, can you speak up a bit because we are not hearing you. We cannot hear you.

Amit Mehrotra

Analyst

Okay, sorry about that. So until now, your acquisition strategy have been pretty disciplined, one-at-a-time incremental approach. But like you said, your competitors do have pretty significant new building commitments and that may give rise to potentially attractive sort of end block sales. And so I'd love to get your perspective on, would you sort of entertain a deal where you're acquiring a relatively large amount of shares, whether it’s 4, 5, 6, 7, with a staggered delivery schedule as a way to sort of maybe locking your growth profile over the next couple of years and at the same time, get a little bit of a more attractive price?

Simeon Palios

Analyst

No because that does not show initial strategy. If we buy 5 ships, today, we lock today's values for the 5 ships, and I think that's not our idea. Our idea to buy every 2 months, 1 ship. Thus, you are buying at prices which are the stated at all these long time and you take a better advantage of the market.

Andreas C. Michalopoulos

Analyst

The delivery dates, is relevant, except that is helpful, logistically, the fact that in your example, we're going to be getting a staggered way of deliver is irrelevant. What we worry about is spending a lot of money at [indiscernible] at one point you decide. And what you described is more exactly that. So the answer from our voice was clear, no.

Operator

Operator

We have no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.

Simeon Palios

Analyst

Thank you, again, for your interest in and support of Diana Shipping. We look forward to speak with you in the months ahead. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a wonderful day.