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Operator
Operator
Greetings and welcome to the Diana Shipping Inc. Second Quarter 2014 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation (Operator Instructions). As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host Ed Nebb, IR Advisor for Diana Shipping. Thank you sir, you may begin.
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Edward Nebb
Management
Thanks Christine, and thanks to all of you who joined us for the Diana Shipping Inc. second quarter conference call. The members of the management team who are with us today are Mr. Simeon Palios, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Anastasios Margaronis, President; Mr. Andreas Michalopoulos, Chief Financial Officer; Mr. Ioannis Zafirakis, Chief Operating Officer and Secretary; and Ms. Maria Dede, Chief Accounting Officer. Before management begins their remarks, let me remind you of the Safe Harbor notice. Certain statements made during the conference call, which are not statements of fact, are forward-looking and beliefs as to future events that may not prove to be accurate. For a description of the risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause future results to differ from what is expressed or forecast in the forward-looking statements, please refer to the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. And now with that, let me turn the call over to Mr. Simeon Palios, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
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Simeon P. Palios
Management
Thank you, Ed. Good morning and thank you for joining us today. During 2014 second quarter Diana Shipping, Inc. continued to take advantage of opportunities to expand its fleet, while maintaining a solid balance sheet with the financial resources to support growth and enhance shareholder value. Yesterday, we announced an initiative to protect the employee, a portion of those financial resources by agreeing to purchase shares of common stock of Diana Containerships Inc valued at US$40 million. Currently, with this investment to an affiliated institutional investors together such as US$40 million of common shares while I and member of my family and members of Diana Containerships Senior Management purchase an aggregate of US$12 million of common shares. The total investment in Diana Containerships by this parties combined was approximately US$92 million. The transaction is subject to customary closing conditions and it's expected to close to date. The Board of Directors and management of Diana Shipping are excited by this opportunity, which reflects our support for the long-term perspective of Diana Containerships and power optimistic about the containership market. Turning now to our investment in the growth of Diana Shipping. During the second quarter, we agree to acquire new-building Capesize dry bulk vessels, Hull No. BC18.0-50, for a purchase price of US$58 million. The vessel will be named G. P. Zafirakis and is expected to be delivered by mid-August 2014. The vessel was recently charter to RWE Supply & Trading at a gross charter rate of US$25,250 per day, for a period of minimum 18 months to maximum 22 months. In May, we took delivery of the newly built motor vessel at Atalandi an ice class Panamax dry bulk vessel that was contracted in March 2012. The company entered into a time charter contract with Glencore Grain for m/v Atalandi at…
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Anastasios C. Margaronis
Management
Thank you. Simeon. And a warm welcome to all the participants of this second quarter conference call. The markets have certainly surprised a large number of analysts by behave in the way that we had unfortunately foreseen and mentioned in several meetings, over the last quarter with analysts and investors. And we have expressed also during our earlier conference call. At the beginning of the year, The Baltic Grains had stood at 2,113 and closed yet to be a near 743. The Baltic Cape Index started the year at 3,733 and closed the yesterday at 1,187. The Baltic Panamax Index was 1,780 on January 2, and closed yesterday at 616. The overhang from the huge number of new buildings delivered during the last three years or so, and the small easing in the anticipated growth rate of demand has resulted in the present weakness in earnings of large bulk areas. Other factors have also contributed to this event and we will attempt to identify the globe. An example by RS Platou who mentioned recently in post Indonesian bank of mineral exports another factor lower by about 15% exports of grains and soybeans from South America. The third factor lower imports of coal to China, particularly coking coal. And finally, lower congestion, which will be consequence of reduced growth in seaborne trade. According to RS Platou average Capesize daily spot rates during 2013, came in at just US$7,700 a day, while so far this year, they were US$15,800 a day. For Panamax’s the equivalent rates were at US$7,400 a day and US$8,500 a day respectively. Let’s turn to CV now according to currently world crude sea production reached 682 million tons in the first five months of this year up by 3.6% year-on-year, production over this period was up by 4.9%…
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Andreas Michalopoulos
Management
Thank you, Stacey and good morning. I’m pleased to be discussing today with you Diana’s operational results for the second quarter and six months ended June 30, 2014. For the second quarter of 2014, net loss amounted to $5.7 million, net loss to common stock holders amounted to $7.2 million and the loss per share was $0.09. Time charter revenues increased to $43.2 million, compared to $40.0 million in the second quarter of 2015. The increase was attributable to the revenues derived from the vessels Baltimore delivered in June 13, Artemis delivered in August 13 and Myrsini delivered in October 2013, PS Palios delivered in December 2013, Crystalia delivered in February 2014 and Atalandi delivered in May 2014. This increase was partially offset by decreased revenues due to the decreased in average time charter rate that we achieved through our vessel during the quarter, compared with the same quarter of 2013. Ownership days were 3,417 for the second quarter of 2014, compared to 2,130 in the same period of 2013. Fleet utilization was 99.8%, compared to 99.2% for the same quarter of 2013, and a daily time charter equivalent rate was $12,107 compared to $12,939 in the same quarter of 2013. Voyage expenses were $2.2 million for the quarter, vessel operating expenses amounted to $21.9 million, compared to $19.6 million in the second quarter of 2013, an increased by 12%. The increase was attributable to the 17% increase in ownership days, resulting from the enlargement of the fleet and was partially offset by decreased instruments and other operating expenses. Despite the increase in total operating expenses, daily operating expenses decreased, mainly due to decreased insurances, taxes and other operating expenses. Vessel operating expenses were $6,419 for the second quarter 2014, compared to $6,679 in the same quarter 2013, representing a…
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Operator
Operator
(Operator Instructions) Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Fotis Giannakoulis with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.
Fotis Giannakoulis – Morgan Stanley: Yes. Good morning and thank you. I want to ask about the weakness of the current market, this is something that you have a clearly warn this about and you seem to be very well prepared. Can you explain to us, what has driven this weakness, why the market is weaker than a year ago, despite the declining fleet supplies? Is there any particular trade that has been deteriorated significantly is it a coal trade or the iron ore space and what is the difference compared to the second half of 2013?
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Anastasios C. Margaronis
Management
We mentioned earlier on Fotis. This is Stacey here. Four reasons and we’ll add to that’s the overhang of modern tonnage as a strict reason. So I will remind you the first reason we’ve said that the reasons we imposed Indonesian the ban on mineral exports. With lower exports of grains and soybeans on South America, which were nice long voyages, reduction by 15%. The lower imports of coal, particularly coking coal, in China, 24% on a year-by-year basis and lower congestion, which comes when we have reduced growth in seaborne trade. So that together with the overhang of many modern ships, large modern ships in the market, major markets weak and that’s something that we could see. And we warned that it was a rich trade for the freight market, we were hoping that demand would behave better eventually and even better than anticipated, because that would be the only possibility that we could see for the market to be able to withstand the pressures that were placed on it since about February, March this year.
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Ioannis G. Zafirakis
Analyst
Fotis Giannakoulis – Morgan Stanley: Thank you Ioannis.
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Ioannis G. Zafirakis
Analyst
Welcome.
Fotis Giannakoulis – Morgan Stanley: Thank you, Stacey. I heard that obviously this decline has priced us all, but I heard earlier that if you are continuing your investment plan as scheduled looking more on the longer prospects, you also mentioned that the discipline of the industry is not there, and there still plenty of orders for the next couple of years. Are there any risks – are you afraid of any secular there dry-bulk market that could potentially prevent you from expanding even further?
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Ioannis G. Zafirakis
Analyst
Bear in mind that it is since 2008, when we had this abnormal increase in freight rates and since then we have not seen any real deterioration in the market. It has been lower since 2008, but it has not been low enough for the six to lay up. And have the range equal to Iran expenses of vessels to bring the potential buyers away from ordering new ships. So we have to face this today and that’s what we are doing. We have a lot of ships in the water, but also we have a lot of ships in the shipyards coming in the next two years. So unless the market deteriorates, we are not growing to see a better market. Now with regards to what you have asked, whether we are going to change our policy, no, we’re not. We’re going to carry on and we are going to expand the same way we have done a year ago or two years ago and as we have said in March 2005, when we have started the company. And that’s what we are doing.
Fotis Giannakoulis – Morgan Stanley: Thank you, Simeon. Can you please elaborate does this mean that there is a positive long-term outlook and you see how the belief, despite the near-term problems, the market at some point will become profitable?
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Simeon P. Palios
Management
Of course it will become profitable, the shipping market is the best market. Some of the industries in the world. And it’s going to return to earnings again, but it’s not going to be immediately, it will take some time. It perspective buyers who realize that the market you have to be very cautious in the market, of course, the banks are not going to follow what is happening in ordering. And then question whether the ordering book thud found the banks to support this ordering. And Stacey was mentioning about slippage, I predict a bit more slippage that will of course Stacey has said about 0.8%. I think it is going to be more than that, because there is no banks yet to lend money today. I think we have seen that before it’s not the first time we have seen lower markets, but when we talk about low market, we talk about low market. Since 2008, we never had a real bottom of the dry cargo market, we didn’t.
Fotis Giannakoulis – Morgan Stanley: Thank you, Simeon. You mentioned about layouts that they will need to take place to differ owner from ordering additional vessels and help the market to recover. Do you see this layout right now and there is also a big discrepancy between what we see as a portrayed, as a Baltic Index and some of the time charter fixtures which they show levels above the operating expenses. Can you explain to us this discrepancy, if they are opting this more as other reasons why the period rates are so much higher?
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Simeon P. Palios
Management
What you see in the long term employment, the time charter employment compared to the sport you seem to be has to do with optimism and psychology, and had to do also with weaker market. We have explained in the past that, the Braemar market is there to reflect the optimism or the pessimism in the market. And you have a charter that recharge the vessels and they take the opposite position in the pace of market without sharing whether the market is going to go up or down. So looking at the greater markets, because this is what you do, doesn’t mean that this is going to happen. After all many have made in the Braemar market or the Braemar market to be wrong. So that’s one part of the question about the difference between the Braemar market and the spot rate. And the other thing that talk about lying out, we have not seen something like this. And again it has to do with the psychology is not so bad, at the moment. We take to shape, but we were once again correct, in our way of thinking. And we have to insist and try to persuade you guys that looking at the three, without looking as ForEx you are missing the point. And the ForEx is saying that we have not seen a real black spot for the market to turn positive. We will be none of you are aware and the market will not turn if we don’t see really bad date.
Fotis Giannakoulis – Morgan Stanley: Thank you very much gentlemen. Appreciate your time.
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Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Gregory Lewis with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.
Gregory R. Lewis – Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: Thank you and good afternoon gentlemen.
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Simeon P. Palios
Management
Hi, good morning.
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Anastasios C. Margaronis
Management
Hi, Greg.
Gregory R. Lewis – Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: So as we think about, what best for values and your plans to continue to acquire tonnage. As we think about the market and they looks like asset prices have step down a little bit year over the last few weeks may be couple of months. Has that resulted in an increase in potential acquisition candidates or owners of this tonnage sort of pulling potential vessel sales of the market, as we’ve seen asset price has slowdown a little bit. Just, if you could sort of talk about the overall activity levels in the SMP market.
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Simeon P. Palios
Management
From the moment you have realized the fact that the values have certainty. Have been reflect also the other part of your question. The price and sales what you are asking about people wanting or not wanting to sell. To reply differently, there always people that they are willing to sell breakfast at market conditions at market price and this is what’s happening to date. They have not realized yet that was they are asking with higher than what they should have been asking because of what is going to happen in the future, but nevertheless we feel the market to date. And it is shorter than it used to be two months ago. And it’s going to get much softer than this.
Gregory R. Lewis – Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: Okay, great. And then Stacey, I think in your preferred comments you talked a little bit about the 2010 order book. And you mentioned that I think it was 90% of those vessels have more eventually delivered. I guess the beyond two part question; one is, was that order book that 2010 order book, do you have any sense for whether that was adjusted for cancellations which just sort of raw in the order book and never materialized or does that include that and the reason that I am asking is that way is because you mentioned. Then later in the call we talked about, the overall order book where it stands today, has the potential for slip at your cancellations and just thinking about that. It would lead me to believe, we're not really going to see any cancellations.
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Anastasios C. Margaronis
Management
Well. The answer to your first question is that the – I have seen the tables prepared by analyst on the ship that were delivered which have been ordered in 2010. They have taken into account cancellation, so that the answer for the first question that you ask. Second as regards now the order book, the order book now is going to be to materialize in real ship. If as the Simeon, Andreas mentioned earlier, the owners that have place his orders manage to finance the pre-delivery payment take along the actual delivery payment of the ship, now this is something that we have no figures on yet, and I don’t think there are any reliable figures out there in order to be able to make the calculation as to what percentage of this order book is going to be cancelled due to a lack of finance. Now, I mean if it’s that going to be cancelled due to the sake of the market that is an another thing I believe there to cancellations will be much fewer it will be more like delays in delivery and we hope that the market will improve, but the cancellations are going to be connected with financing the order book. And that if the banking industry takes a rather negative view of the medium term future for shipping slightly high and we might see a considerable percentage of the order book being canceled and that unfortunately we cannot even get at this point in time.
Gregory R. Lewis – Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: Only time will tell. Okay guys, thank you very much.
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Simeon P. Palios
Management
You’re welcome.
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Operator
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Keith Mori with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.
Keith S Mori – Barclays Capital Inc.: Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question here. Just had one question first time here Andreas, I just want to talk a little bit about capital deployment here, I know you put in about $100 million over the past 12 months into the Diana Containerships through debt and equity. We will be thinking that the returns on the containerships side or equal to or potentially even better that you are seeing – than you are seeing on the dry bulk. And I know you talk a lot about in the call how the markets is going to continue to get soft in the dry bulk side. So should we think that maybe that incremental capital for containerships is a better opportunity than the shares or the dry bulk market? Just want to get your view on prioritizing.
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Ioannis G. Zafirakis
Analyst
Well. This is Ioannis, Keith, certainly there is an element of truth to what you’re saying we depend on both of directors addition of the management found the potential of investing today as we speak in the containerships sector, as there are more or if attractive opportunities as regards the potential return. Also you have to see from while supporting and averaging down, already our existing investment in Diana Containers, but nevertheless if you have heard the management talking about the two different titles we are more positive as regard to the fundamentals on the Containerships sector and especially the medium size vessels there.
Keith S Mori – Barclays Capital Inc.: Okay. Well. Thanks for the time gentlemen. I’ll pass on, lost my questions are already answered.
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Anastasios C. Margaronis
Management
You’re welcome. Thank you.
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Operator
Our next question comes from the line John Chappell with Evercore. Please proceed with your questions.
Jonathan Chappell – Evercore Partners Inc.: Thank you, good afternoon guys. I want to follow-up on the containership investment. I think about six months ago we had a conversation and there is some talk about Diana Shipping’s intention to less than their exposure to the containership to DCIX. So really think the change here and you’ve spoken about the differences in the market. But as we think about going forward, what your intention to potentially build your stake in DSX going forward given the different returns of our business. And given how the solid as really from a capital market’s perspective. Any intentions to get to a point where you’re a majority owner again with great little capital deployment there?
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Simeon P. Palios
Management
It is true that in the long-term we want to be two complete separate companies. Diana Shipping Inc. participates in Diana Containerships at the moment as an investment. And as we’ve said in the past, the main pesos of the advertises to have two non-diversified companies in the capital market. Nevertheless, the market conditions are such that the price of the stock of Diana Containerships we’ve found it to be so attractively priced for our shareholders of Diana Shipping Inc. to invest that and produce nice returns and also support our existing position there. Eventually, in the long term Diana Shipping Inc. will decrease its position in Diana Containers. Now based on what is going to happen, we cannot tell you what may happen they tell on and need Diana Shipping Inc is going to take a majority position in Diana Containers, but the intention is as we have always said you have two non-diversified companies each one of the companies investing in a particular sector, but the market conditions have such that we strongly feel that this is a very good investment opportunity of Diana Shipping Inc in a sector that we like and in a company that we like.
Jonathan Chappell – Evercore Partners Inc.: Okay. Can you just update us with pro forma ownership about yesterday’s transaction?
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Simeon P. Palios
Management
It’s going to be around 26.3%.
Jonathan Chappell – Evercore Partners Inc.: 26.3%. Okay. And then just one more giving your outlook on the dry bulk margin and you guys has absolutely nail back, but also Stacey’s last comment about continuing to invest in modern efficient tonnage, if you have take that as 2001 bill that will have survey in a year and a half time, how do you think about potentially disposing the 2011 tonnage as you continue to expand and then also potentially modernized as you believe.
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Simeon P. Palios
Management
I don’t think it’s the right time to disclose any vessels, but when the market changes, definitely we first want to go with the all this years.
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Edward Nebb
Management
Upon both vessels that have invested with the useful life that are going to be there in the next after part of the cycle and this is when those are going to be sold. We have paid for this optional value on the vessels when we purchase them and it is sufficient for the next to be filled with us that have to be sold as a next half part of the cycle.
Jonathan Chappell – Evercore Partners Inc.: Understand. All right. Thank you, Ioannis. Thanks Simeon.
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Operator
It appears we have no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.
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Edward Nebb
Management
Thank you again for your interest in and support of Diana Shipping. We look forward to speaking with you in the next quarter. Thank you.
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Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a wonderful day.