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Viant Technology Inc. (DSP)

Q4 2021 Earnings Call· Thu, Mar 10, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Well, hello, everyone. And welcome to Viant's Q4 2021 Earnings Call. My name is Keelson, I'll ill be your operator today. Before I hand the call over to the Viant team, I'd like to go over just a few housekeeping notes for the program. As a reminder, this webinar is being recorded. After the speakers’ remarks there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] we thank you for your attendance today. And I will now turn things over to Brad Samson. Please go ahead, Brad.

Brad Samson

Analyst

Thank you. On the call today are Tim Vanderhook, Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer; Chris Vanderhook, Co-Founder and Chief Operating Officer; and Larry Madden, Chief Financial Officer. On our call today we will make forward-looking statements that are based on assumptions and subject to future events, risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. Such statements may include our financial outlook, our industry or economic conditions. We undertake no obligation to update those statements, except as required by law. For more information about factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from our forward-looking statements, please refer to the press release issued today as well as to the risks and uncertainties described in our annual report on Form 10-K and other filings with the SEC. During today's call, we will discuss GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures and some operational metrics. Additional definitions and disclosures regarding these non-GAAP measures, and operational metrics including a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures are included in the press release we issued today and in our filings with the SEC. Let me turn the call over to Tim Vanderhook, Chief Executive Officer of Viant.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Good afternoon. And welcome everyone. We had a fantastic fourth quarter of 2021, to cap off a terrific first year as a public company. I am incredibly proud of our team and the accomplishments we achieved together this last year. As the leader of our team, there is no better feeling in the world than to challenge your team and watch them deliver. One foundational principle that I've witnessed in my life is that the Internet continues to expand its reach every single year. Chris and I have witnessed its commercialization on desktop computers, the expansion to laptops, the smartphone revolution, and now it has once again expanded to our TV. Our company has managed to identify those substantial expansions and accelerate our R&D investments in advance to translate those visions by being focused on answering the question of what this all means for advertisers. In 2015, we started sounding the alarm on identifiers that were given to us from big tech. And we introduced an entirely brand new way to transact digital advertising called the people-based approach. It was created with the thinking that the Internet that does not belong to any one company, but it belongs to all of us. Our people based DSP takes away the number you are assigned from big tech companies, and replaces it with information the consumer owns and controls, like your name, address, phone number, and email. This moves our entire industry from an opt-out model of cookies to a more privacy friendly opt-in model using real consumer data that puts the power back in the control of the consumer. In 2018, we transformed our Adelphic software to operate on a newly rebuilt foundation based on data, consumer’s control. The shift away from cookie-based DSPs to the Adelphic people-based DSP is enabling…

Chris Vanderhook

Analyst

Tim focused on our success last year and the tremendous opportunity still ahead. I want to talk this afternoon a little bit more about the how. Companies don't just grow into the future because they exist in their sector for another year or because they've grown in the past. Growth is not linear by simply adding more headcount or investing more money. Our team has thought a lot about our next phase as a company, where we need to invest and what it will take in order to build a company that will last for 100 years. We're nearly a quarter of the way through that time period and our next phase will be supported by these five key pillars. Developing best-in-class technology is the first pillar in the strategic roadmap. To compete effectively, we strive to make our Adelphic software the easiest to use, the most powerful and delivering effective campaigns and the most robust and measuring the return on customer’s ad spend. Our platform should be as easy to use as eTrade, Venmo or Amazon is for consumers. If we can achieve that, our software can be used by millions of businesses. That's already one of the distinguishing benefits of our Adelphic software. But we're going to take it much further. Tim touched on our plan for autonomous advertising in the future, leading to investments in new technologies to enable that. Tim and I have been working in this space for over 20 years. We pioneered behavioral advertising in the early 2000s, built for CTV in 2011, developed for today's identity challenge back in 2015. And it's because of that early start that the Viant Household ID now covers 85% of US households, and it is available on over 80% of our bidding opportunities. I tell you all…

Larry Madden

Analyst

Thanks, Chris. And thank you everyone for joining us today. Before I begin, I'd like to remind everyone that we have posted supplemental financial slides to our Investor Relations website to accompany today's presentation. As Tim mentioned, we are pleased to report that once again we exceeded our previously issued guidance for revenue and EBITDA in Q4. That represents the fourth consecutive quarter that we have exceeded our expectations since we went public in February of last year. We are also seeing an acceleration in spending across our platform going into Q1 2022, which we expect will continue throughout the year, which is a testament to the increasing customer adoption of our platform. This afternoon, I will be discussing some of the highlights of our Q4 and full year 2021 performance, as well as our current expectations for 2022 and our longer term expectations for the business. With that, let me discuss some key financial and operational highlights for the quarter and the full year 2021. In 2021, Viant's business continued to scale and performance accelerated, yielding new record results and we finished the year on very strong financial footing. We continue to see the benefits of our recent WWC software release. With customer adoption increasing across all channels where cookies or device identifiers do not exist or are limited, such as connected TV, mobile, streaming audio and digital out of home. Further investment in our team and technology has also paid dividends, as evidenced by the significant increase in the number of active customers and the average contribution ex TAC per active customer over the last year. We also benefited from the cohort effect of customers ramping spend, the longer they are on the platform, and that trend is expected to continue. In terms of top line metrics, for…

Operator

Operator

Thank you so much. [Operator Instructions] And we will hear first from Maria Ripps with Canaccord.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Maria, are you there?

Operator

Operator

Maria, can you hear us? Hi, Maria. Yeah, go ahead and unmute yourself, Maria.

Maria Ripps

Analyst

All right, can you hear me now?

Operator

Operator

We sure can. Thank you so much.

Maria Ripps

Analyst

Perfect. Thank you so much. Thanks so much for taking my question. I just wanted to go back to sort of your guidance for the first quarter in this dynamic between revenue growth and clients spend on the platform. Can you just talk about why sort of this – why are we seeing this sort of disparity between different pricing sort of models, especially in Q1? Can you just maybe talk about that? And then related to that, is there anything you've seen from sort of Easter being shifted to a little bit later this year? Is there anything you have seen in terms of campaigns sort of being shifted from Q1 to Q2 this year? And then I have a quick follow up.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Yeah. Just on the headline, your first question. Larry, can fill in on some of this comments. We're seeing explosive growth in our percentage spend pricing option. Clients are scaling like crazy, where as based on the guide for spend, definitely increasing market share, you know, much higher levels than we saw last year, so that's incredible. We are also seeing customers, even new ones go straight to our percentage of spend pricing options. So it's also adding to little bit of the disparity. It is a little bit of short term pain on the revenue, on the revenue growth line item. But we think that those normalized throughout the year. But we're winning a ton of market share right now, if you watch the percentage spend side and our total spend, total advertiser spend.

Larry Madden

Analyst

And you're…

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Our shift of Q1 to Q2?

Larry Madden

Analyst

Just around Easter, I don't have any real firm grasp on the commentary around that, right now, around Easter specifically.

Maria Ripps

Analyst

Got it. Thanks so much for that. And my second question, you talked a little bit about sort of strength in mobile, and I think it's the second quarter that you highlighted strength in mobile here for you. So as Google rolls out new privacy restrictions across apps on Android, can you maybe just talk about what that means for your platform? And maybe if you could put that in the context of the iOS changes that the industry has been going through? That would be very helpful.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Yeah, I think what you're referring to is the Android ID being potentially deprecated. In the future, similar to what Apple has done. We saw when Apple pulled that move of IDFA, what that caused was mobile app marketers were looking for new alternative ways away from social networks, which became less cost effective. And we're trying new digital advertising platforms. I think as Google does the same to Android and their ID, again, that's going to put more money back into the market. When you look at most mobile app marketers, when Apple made that change of deleting IDFA, you saw their response to that was shift money to Android and try new digital advertising providers. So now that Android is going to make a similar change, I would expect that more money back up in the market looking for cost effective ways to drive app installs, because those - the traditional ways are no longer there. So we view it as a brand new market opportunity of money that was spoken for previously, that needs to find a new home in the most cost efficient way. And I believe we're going to win our fair share of that, as we've proven, given the Household I’d, its use across mobile apps and that entire ecosystem and not relying on the IDFA or Android ID. So for us, I think it's a big opportunity. And we'll see how marketers react.

Maria Ripps

Analyst

That's very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We will now move on to Laura Martin with Needham.

Laura Martin

Analyst

Yes.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Hi, Lauren.

Laura Martin

Analyst

Hi. So I'm going to start with EBITDA because as you said, you over delivered your 2021 EBITDA promise by 50%, strong over delivery in Q4. And now you're guiding us to much lower EBITDA than our model suggested for '22. And it's not just you, like every one of these ad tech companies, other than trade desk has taken down our 2022 EBITDA. So I would love an explanation because I've got this massive market that's growing five times faster than all ad tech companies. I don't understand why we all have margin pressure, as you over delivered revenue. So the scale got bigger, and yet you're going to under deliver the margin. And then, like I said, it's the entire industry. What is going on, please?

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

I think, you know, number one, I think if you look at us when we went public, so last year in '21, we were increasing our investments, we're going to continue that. As Larry stated this year, probably much higher to the tune, then, let's say a little bit more mature business. We are looking to continue to invest in gaining market share. That's where we're at. And I think we've heard that from investors pretty significantly, they want to see more market share gains, and we're going to go after that. So I think our level of investment, definitely we are stepping up that level of investment. But we did give a pretty wide range on the guidance. So we are - we're basically going to play that by year - in the second half of the year. And Larry, if you want to add anymore color?

Larry Madden

Analyst

Yeah, I was going to say one other factor. I mean, we mentioned that we did “under invest” in 2001. Certainly the labor challenges, the overall market labor challenges. So some of that money is now coming back into 2022. So we probably under invested about $5 million in 2021, which was part of our EBITDA beat. So that's coming back into 2022, plus the full on annualization of the hires in 2022, which is another $10 million plus new investment. We're investing additional heads of about $10 million. So plus, sets [ph] all of the strategic pillars we talk, we're putting - we're putting money behind some of those initiatives, all of those initiatives as well in 2022. So it is creating a short term dropping of our EBITDA relative to the prior year.

Laura Martin

Analyst

Okay, that's super helpful. I want to understand political and auto, so you said that you didn't have political this year, like in '21, but if we get it back in '22 and autos, there's no chips, so there's no supply to get that. How much does political give you like for sure, because you had it two years ago? How much upside does that give us, single digit percent of revenue? And then if autos come back, how much is it down? Thanks to the chip shortage, and we don't know when it's going come back. But likely, how much are those two verticals of your revenue that sort of will come back in '22?

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Let Larry, take it.

Laura Martin

Analyst

Okay.

Larry Madden

Analyst

Yeah. I mean, Q1, if you look at Q1, our growth guidance for Q1, auto was 10% of revenue in Q1 of 2021. We think auto is going to be about 2% of revenue in Q1 this year. So that certainly is impacting our Q1, given this kind of smaller revenue base to begin with. We have not assumed a significant uptick in auto. I mean, as we've reported, each quarter has been down significantly for us. I believe it's, you know, less than 5% of revenue in Q4. We think that will further deteriorate in Q1. We haven't kind of planned to have a significant uptick in that. Obviously, that would be upside. And we were hoping that a lot of the supply chain issues do get resolved in the year. But for now, we're not assuming that that's coming back in '22, significantly, at least.

Laura Martin

Analyst

Super helpful for the model. My last one, I'll ask for the founders here. Supply path optimization, right, Jeff Green, all the rage [ph] supply path optimization. Could you give us your thoughts on supply path optimization and how it affects DSP? Thanks.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming you're referring to The Trade Desk launch of OpenPath, and going direct with publishers, I would say that in connected television, a huge chunk of our integrations are direct to the major media companies in that same realm. So we didn't have a formalized product. But that's kind of how connected television works, is some of them run their own yield management and are very good at it. So I do believe there is going to be a bifurcation, there is going to be publishers or inventory owners that want to provide yield management on their own. And we partner with them and deliver them bids directly to them today. So I would say CTV is kind of a little bit more organically built that way. But certainly SSVs [ph] play an important role for the rest of the open web that need them to provide yield management and the electronic integration, to many DSPs out there. So I see a bit of a bifurcation, I think the bigger companies do it more themselves, and the smaller companies rely on a third party for yield management. That's kind of our take. And we see that bifurcation currently with our integrations today. Do you have anything?

Larry Madden

Analyst

Now, I mean, like SCOs [ph] is being used differently by different parties, but ultimately supply path optimization is the need from a marketer to want to make sure that their dollars - most of their dollars are going to the content owner, that's really where the securing those ad spots, they don't want to see a lot of middlemen changing the inventory, changing hands with the inventory, before it gets to the DSP. That's what we hear from our customers. We have, you know, developed that for, you know, well over a year, about making sure that there's really only you know, you're as direct as possible to that content owner [ph] Sometimes the content owners can use an SSP, and that is clearly very transparent in our platform. So that's how - that's how marketers really think about SPO. And to be honest, that's the real spirit of SPO is that transparency of the dollar, how much one to the content owner, and I think the whole industry is going never let this go until that's fully transparent.

Laura Martin

Analyst

Super helpful. Thanks, guys. Thank you.

Larry Madden

Analyst

Thank you.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Thank you.

Chris Vanderhook

Analyst

Thanks, Laura.

Operator

Operator

And JMPs, Andrew Boone has the next question.

Andrew Boone

Analyst

Hi, guys. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I'll start off with the 2025 guide. And just the implication of revenue acceleration beyond this year, can you guys just talk about your confidence there and just the key drivers of why you guys believe that, that you can re accelerate revenue?

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Yeah, I mean - for me, I look at the cohort effect that we talked to, the number of customers that we brought on, the number of additions we're adding and we've had more consistency in history and seeing how we perform and then areas where we're seeing gains in market share and where we think we can push further there. So I would say it's the past three years. I mentioned we've grown advertisers spend in 11 out of 12 quarters, the only one being the initial COVID impact where we had the deceleration. So it's the confidence factor of when you offer a self service DSP the customers are trained and, and they're busy pushing all their campaigns live themselves. That leads to that cohort effect where they get comfortable on your platform and the ad spend consolidates on that platform. I think we've made great strides in the mid market in that area. And we've made big advancements towards the Holdco's in 2021. And we're seeing that pay dividends in the future year. So to us, I think it's the cohort effect, the number of customers and the cadence that our company is executing, that gives us the confidence. Just to add on to that, Andrew, I just think if you take a look just very succinctly, watch the trajectory of our platform spend that ultimately leads to market share. The revenue growth is Larry talked about, there's a little bit of a hiccup here in Q1, but we really believe that normalizes over the course of really just this year. But the platform spend the advertiser spend on the platform, as long as that continues to accelerate the way that it is, we have - we know, those are right in line with that long term…

Andrew Boone

Analyst

This may just be a little bit mundane, but I think it kind of ties to Maria's question and what you were talking about. But as I just relate, gross revenue to spend, right, so the 46% of revenue versus the 26% of spend, can you just help me understand the difference there of why they're not more closely aligned? And what that implies in terms of adoption of the platform?

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Yeah. So we had a couple of customers that were in fixed price that are moving to our percentage spend, pricing option, they're trying to do that. And in Q4, they were going to scale their spend there. And we gave them discounts as if they were a percentage spend customer. That's the disparity there. The good news is, is that those are - the customers we're talking about. Those are Holdco customers, they are on percentage spend, and we expect - expect them to continue to sell to accelerate their spending in '22.

Larry Madden

Analyst

So that naturally was a bit of an anomaly in Q4, Andrew. We don't expect that disparity to continue going forward.

Andrew Boone

Analyst

So just - crystal clear, right. So take rate, not take rates, but revenue ex TAC margin comes back to kind of what we saw in prior quarters, is fair way to read that?

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Correct.

Andrew Boone

Analyst

Okay. And sorry, last question is just on the building of brand awareness with your potential clients. That has been a focus in 2021. And you talked about that continuing in 2022. Can you talk just big picture about how you think about brands spend to just building awareness going forward? And just where are you on the process, right, like, I don't know if there are any survey metrics that you can share. But any help there would be great. Thanks so much.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Yeah. So that was one of our key pillars that we had talked about, so elevating kind of our brand presence. Part of that is sales force and feet on the street. As we've previously talked about the additions we made in our sales force. This isn't - this wasn't just feet on the street. We made a concerted effort in our investments. The first one was elevating our - our brand presence Viant [ph] within the holding companies. We have a whole team focused on that. We have great professionals. We've hired from Google and other large brands. So we feel really confident about the progress that we're making there. The other was on the enterprise, a lot of what we hear from our agency customers that they want to move on to the platform, they need client buy in [ph] or what we call the client mandate for the brand directly themselves. So that's kind of our enterprise group that we've built in '21, we'll continue to expand in 2022. What those are vertical experts in big categories that really talk to the clients in conjunction with their agencies. So that's going to have a really outsized impact. And then outside of that is really around our marketing. We did a good job of elevating that in '21, we'll continue that and 22 with our new open web ad campaign out there, our thought leadership that we've push out. All those things are going to raise our level of awareness in Viant [ph] ultimately onto the platform. But where are we at in that journey? I mean, in terms of DSPs, and level of awareness, did we do track it from service? I don't have those specific numbers, but we can follow up offline with you on where we're at there. But Andrew, I would point you, where are we at that, if we have accelerating advertisers spend on the platform, that's a really good spot.

Andrew Boone

Analyst

Thanks so much, guys.

Operator

Operator

All right, moving on to Andrew Marok with Raymond James.

Andrew Marok

Analyst

Hey, thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to talk about the acceleration in CTV growth from 3Q and 4Q. I guess, are there any specific drivers on that, that you would point to, to get that 20 point acceleration? And then on your new sales force hires, I know there's a bit of a ramp period as they come onto the platform. But is there any productivity metrics or deltas that you can share for the new hires in the sales force? Thanks.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Yeah. So just acceleration in CTV, really a point to a big launch [ph] which is our WWC rollout that has done really well. As Larry had said, approximately 50% advertisers have adopted that. If you look at the stats that we gave around CT, it's squarely focused in CTV and other ID less or cookieless channels, but definitely in CTV. So we've previously talked about this, but just to reiterate, clients are seeing increased performance when using our Household ID and CTV. When they see increased performance, we're also seeing accelerate their spending. So that's just very dead on, that's a big reason that's driving growth in CTV and the acceleration of on our platform. And on the…

Andrew Marok

Analyst

New sales force hires, metrics…

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Yeah. Could you ask that question again, Andrew? Sorry.

Andrew Marok

Analyst

Yeah, sure. Just I know, there's a ramp period as new sales people come onto the platform, but any productivity metrics you can share for some of your new sales force hires?

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Yeah, so as I stated, we increased about 25% in 2021. We have seen contribution from them. We expect that the large majority of their contribution will hit in Q2 and beyond. But well, I think we're going to see the impact from them in Q2. I can tell you the pipeline's are strong. And we feel really good about where we’ve hired. We did - I will say we didn't, as I mentioned, we didn't meet all the way to our goal last year, but we've already made tremendous uptick on bringing in new team members, increased another 15% all ready in the first quarter. So I think that's going to make - we're going to have a really robust second half.

Andrew Marok

Analyst

Thank you very much. Really appreciate it.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

All right. And everyone that is all the time that we have today for questions. We thank you all so much for joining us today. This does conclude our earnings conference. We thank you again for your participation. You may now disconnect.