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Driven Brands Holdings Inc. (DRVN)

Q2 2022 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 27, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to Driven Brands Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Chris, and I'll be your operator today. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Joining the call this morning are Jonathan Fitzpatrick, President and Chief Executive Officer; Tiffany Mason, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Kristy Moser, Vice President of Investor Relations. During today's call, management will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. You can find the reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures on the company's Investor Relations website and in its filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Please be advised that during the course of this call, management may also make forward-looking statements that reflect expectations for the future. These statements are based on current information, and actual results may differ materially from these expectations. Factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are detailed in the company's SEC filings, including the Form 8-K filed today containing the company's earnings release. Information about any non-GAAP financial measures referenced, including a reconciliation of those measures to GAAP measures, can also be found in the company's SEC filings and the earnings release available on the Investor Relations website. . I'll now turn the call over to Jonathan. Please go ahead, sir.

Jonathan Fitzpatrick

Management

Thank you, and good morning. We had another great quarter across the board, our sixth as a public company, and are excited to share the results over the course of today's call. Driven is the largest automotive services company in North America. Our diversified portfolio of needs-based services provides many levers to grow revenue and profit through same-store sales, new units and M&A. Our total addressable market is massive, $350 billion and growing. And we have less than a 5% but growing share in that highly fragmented market. We will continue to grow and generate cash because of our core competitive advantages, our multiple levers to open new units. We can franchise, build or buy. Our supply chain capabilities that keep us in stock and allow us to take share and price when others cannot. Our scale, which is growing, is a sustainable and increasingly significant competitive advantage in our highly fragmented industry. Over the long term, Driven has and will consistently deliver organic double-digit revenue growth and double-digit adjusted EBITDA growth. That growth, together with our asset-light business model, means we generate a ton of cash. And our needs-based services and franchise business model helps insulate our profits from the impacts of inflation. We then invest that cash to further accelerate our growth by building new units and layering on acquisitions which, as we have proven, adds massive incremental upside to our model. Our Dream Big plan of at least $850 million of adjusted EBITDA by the end of 2026 is on track. Exceeding that plan is our primary focus and we continue to make great strides. Driven is growth and cash. I want to take a moment to highlight our Q2 results. All credit goes to our team, our amazing franchisees and our loyal and long-term customers. Compared…

Tiffany Mason

Management

Thanks, Jonathan, and good morning, everyone. Our performance in the first half of 2022 exceeded expectations with another strong print from Driven Brands in the second quarter. For the first half of the year, we beat our own adjusted EBITDA plan by approximately $14 million, driven by demand for our need-based service offerings coupled with strong execution. And M&A provided an additional $3 million of upside. The entire Driven Brands' team worked diligently to capitalize on consumer demand, delivering strong growth and positioning us to continue to gain market share as we enter the second half of the year. Driven Brands provides best-in-class needs-based services to both consumer and commercial customers in an efficient manner. Now diving into the specifics of our second quarter results. System-wide sales were $1.4 billion, from which we generated $509 million of revenues. Adjusted EBITDA was $135 million, and adjusted EPS was $0.35, another top to bottom beat. System-wide sales growth in the quarter was driven by same-store sales growth as well as the addition of new stores. We have tremendous white space to continue growing our store count in this $350 billion highly fragmented and growing industry. Our franchise, company greenfield and M&A pipelines are all robust, and we are aggressively growing our footprint. In the second quarter, we added 80 net new stores. Same-store sales growth was 13% for the quarter driven by average ticket. We continue to benefit from the increasing complexity of vehicles as well as retail pricing actions to offset the cost of inflation. And we once again outpaced the industry across our business segments. Now remember, we are optimally 80% franchised, and not all segments contribute to revenue proportionately. For example, PCMG was over half of system-wide sales this quarter but only about 20% of revenue because it's predominantly…

Operator

Operator

. The first question comes from the line of Chris Horvers with JPMorgan.

Christopher Horvers

Analyst

So my first question is, can you talk a little bit about what you're seeing in terms of unit counts in the Quick Lube and the Car Wash business? How has that been affected by gas prices? Is there any variability there? And then my follow-up question for you, Tiffany, on the guidance. Can you talk about how FX plays out in the P&L? And to what degree is the updated guidance impacted by FX headwinds, both on the comp and EBITDA level?

Jonathan Fitzpatrick

Management

Chris, Jonathan here. I'll let Tiffany handle the FX piece. In terms of -- I'm assuming you're talking about traffic counts when you talked about unit counts for Car Wash and Quick Lube?

Christopher Horvers

Analyst

Yes.

Jonathan Fitzpatrick

Management

Yes. No problem. Look, we're still seeing a really nice mix within the same-store sales component, right? If you look at Quick Lube, I think the team have executed amazingly well over the last 2 years. We've certainly taken price to offset some of the both labor and commodity cost pressures that we've had. But Tiffany mentioned a 41% attachment rate in Q2, which is just phenomenal execution from the team. We've also seen a really nice increase in premiumization of oil over the last 18 to 24 months. So I think the team is doing a phenomenal job of managing cost pressures and then sort of executing in terms of attachment rate and then sort of building on the premiumization of oil tailwind that we have. In terms of Car Wash, I think Tiffany mentioned earlier, we consciously sort of got rid of, I'd say, heavy discounting and promotional activity from a year ago, really focused on long-term, more valuable customers. We're not seeing any movement in churn rates in our subscription members. In fact, we're growing subscription members. So we're very pleased with that. And then obviously, a lot of focus over the last 2 quarters in sort of getting the right branding and operational pieces in place for long-term, sort of, Car Wash continued growth. So very pleased with how things are in both of those businesses, and I'll let Tiffany cover the FX.

Tiffany Mason

Management

Sure. Thanks, Jonathan. Chris, thanks for the question. So as we think about FX, Chris, as we talked about on the call today, the only thing -- the only segment that's really had an outsized impact from FX is the Car Wash business and specifically our international Car Wash footprint. As we think about the back half of the year, I mean, obviously, we're cognizant of the significant rate movement in Q2. We've done a lot of scenario modeling as we think about the back half, what it could mean if rates move in our favor, continue -- if they move in our favor, if they continue to move out of our favor. And as we guide for the back half of the year, we give ourselves room to navigate based on any potential volatility in that rate environment. So -- I think that's probably all I can say at this point in time, but suffice it to say we're being certainly cautious as we think about the back half of the year but cautious as it relates to FX rates in the consumer but confident in the fact that we are well positioned from a competitive situation and certainly have competitive advantages in the industry.

Christopher Horvers

Analyst

So just as a follow-up on that, can you remind us of what the footprint looks like internationally in terms of locations at the country level? And then have you seen any impact given all the challenges that are going on in Europe currently?

Jonathan Fitzpatrick

Management

Yes. Chris, if you think about our international business, we're in 13 countries but really 2 matter the most. About 75% of our business internationally is in the U.K. or Germany. And I'll tell you, Tracy Gehlan and the team over in Europe are just operating at an incredibly high level in incredibly difficult operating circumstances, Chris. FX is 1 thing, but then think about, obviously, the terrible war that's going on over there. You've got inflationary pressures, you've got concerns about gas and utilities and all that kind of stuff. So I will tell you that Tracy and her team are operating at an incredibly high level, but most of our stores are domiciled in the U.K. and Germany.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Simeon Gutman with Morgan Stanley.

Simeon Gutman

Analyst

First question, a little bit longer term, the -- I guess going into '22, we had initially modeled something around $350 million of EBITDA. We're getting closer to $500 million now. And we have this $850 million target by '26. Can you speak to -- it feels like it's going quicker than you laid it out. Can you talk about whether it's front-end loaded or not? And then we talked about the procurement piece today on the call. Is that -- the synergy or the savings that you get, is that factored into that $850 million?

Jonathan Fitzpatrick

Management

Simeon, you are trying to goad me into giving you an answer that I don't intend to give you. What we've always said is that at least $850 million by the end of 2026, and we feel really good about the trajectory of the business for that, right? It's a really nice combination of organic growth of new units, they start ramping, and then, obviously, we layer in the M&A that we've been so effective at. So I think all I would say is that we're very confident in our ability to meet or exceed the $850 million by the end of 2026. And when -- we talked about procurement today a little bit. Yes, clearly, procurement -- base case procurement is built into that number. But obviously, as we continue to grow units, franchise, company and M&A, that increases the sort of the flywheel effect of the procurement.

Simeon Gutman

Analyst

Okay. Fair enough. And then maybe moving to glass. Can you talk about the space that you're occupying within the industry? Can you also talk about what percentage of the business with glass would be insurance versus customer pay? And then back to that first part, the space that you play, how you're positioned versus some of the other competitors?

Jonathan Fitzpatrick

Management

Yes. Look, the initial platform entry point was Auto Glass Now, AGN, which was predominantly a consumer out-of-pocket pay business. I would say that was -- 75, 80-plus percent was consumer out of pocket. We've been very busy on the M&A front over the last 6 months. So we've added a bunch of different businesses, which sort of combined blend a more balanced sort of retail out of pocket with insurance. We have deep insurance relationships to our collision business. One of the things that we're working towards is getting the scale, both the national footprint so that we can become even better partners for our insurance partners on the glass side. So I think as you look forward, we continue to play in the retail space, but I think insurance over time will become a really important part of that -- the growth in that area.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Liz Suzuki with Bank of America.

Elizabeth Suzuki

Analyst

Just curious if you could talk about multiples for acquisition targets, especially in Car Wash. I think earlier in the year, they were looking pretty lofty at the time. Have they gotten any more attractive? And then what does the M&A pipeline look like today versus about a year ago?

Jonathan Fitzpatrick

Management

Yes. You guys are pretty familiar with the Car Wash space, but what I will tell you is that we're seeing some moderation at what I would call the platform level so that the bigger Car Wash assets that are trading, which is typically 15-plus units. So we're seeing some moderation there. We've seen a couple of busted processes in the space. So people are actually looking deeper at the quality of the assets, and we've seen some of those processes busted out. That being said, Liz, when you look at the flow of institutional capital into the Car Wash space, I think there's 10-plus private equity-type funds that have come into the space over the last 2 years. Most of them are coming in, buying some sort of platform, whether it's 10, 15, 20 stores, whatever the case is. And because they don't have any greenfield capabilities and it takes multiple years to build out that greenfield capabilities, they're then still trying to buy some of the smaller assets to sort of feed their growth model. So I would say, in summary, moderation at the platform level still sort of pretty frothy when you get down into the less than 10 store acquisitions. And our perspective is we've been doing the same thing for the almost 2 years we've been in Car Wash. We're very surgically and tactically buying the right assets in the right markets for our business and maintaining sort of a very diligent approach to the multiples that we're willing to pay. In terms of our pipeline, Liz, we feel really good about our pipeline. We have a dedicated team that has been doing small bolt-on M&A for 7, 8 years right now. So we've got a really good machine for doing that. Our pipeline for Car Wash is very robust as we look at it now through the back half of the year. And then obviously, we've been very busy on the glass side as well and our pipeline there looks very robust as well. So hopefully, that answers your question.

Elizabeth Suzuki

Analyst

Great. Yes, that's great. And on the franchise side, are you seeing any potential franchisees backing out if they were already in planning to take on locations and now they're reconsidering that due to concerns about recession?

Jonathan Fitzpatrick

Management

No. Actually, on the contrary, Liz. I mean our franchise pipeline continues to build. We keep adding new franchisees or existing franchisees taking down additional development agreements. I think what our franchisees and folks coming from outside this industry are seeing that we're needs-based, we're auto. We're very low on sort of the funnel of discretionary spend and where people will stop for resiliency of our business, the simple operating model, the unit level economics. So I feel incredibly good about our franchise pipeline. And as I've told you in the past, Liz, we've seen this really nice inflow of potential franchisees from nonautomotive aftermarket into our space. So it feels really good about where we stand today.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Sharon Zackfia with William Blair.

Sharon Zackfia

Analyst

Just a few questions on the maintenance space and then 1 on Car Wash. So in maintenance, did you take further price increases in the quarter? And can you give us kind of some color around the average ticket increase in the second quarter relative to what you saw in the first quarter? And how do we think about the pricing you've taken and the potential margin lift additionally if oil normalizes? Like do you roll back prices? Or do we see another lift as inflation hopefully abates? And then second question, I don't think you mentioned this, but with the Take 5 conversion of Car Wash, how are you thinking about franchising in that segment?

Jonathan Fitzpatrick

Management

Sharon, lots to unpack there. Let's start with maintenance. So yes, we've -- I think Danny Rivera and the team who run that business have done an exceptional job of thinking about price, when to take price, how much price to take and then really managing sort of consumer feedback. So monitoring NPS scores, Google ratings to make sure that customers are continuing -- continued to pay that small incremental price. And I think part of that is because of the exceptional operating service that we offer to our consumers. So we did take a little bit of price in Q2. And I think we will continue to sort of look at price very tactically throughout the balance of the year. So we're not afraid to take price. And I think one of the reasons that we can take price and maintain our customer counts and our loyalty and our repeat business is because the operating model and the execution is so good. In terms of if and when oil prices moderate, we're watching that very closely, Sharon. I mean I think we've got some views that there's probably some price that we would give back perhaps. So we've got sort of some service charges in there right now that if things moderated in the past, maybe there's an opportunity to reduce that but don't sort of see that happening in the next sort of 6 to 12 months at this point. In terms of the conversion of the Car Washes -- remind me, Sharon, what the question was there on the conversion? Oh, franchise, sorry.

Sharon Zackfia

Analyst

Yes.

Jonathan Fitzpatrick

Management

Look, what I've said all along is that the Car Wash business is a phenomenal business. It has got all the characteristics that you would need to potentially franchise a business and that the unit level economics are very strong. It's a simple operating model. It's very efficient from a labor perspective. So I think what we said before is like we did with Take 5 Quick Lube, we want to get that business to the place we're happy with it in terms of having the operating model, obviously, having the branding in place and then sort of thinking through, is there a right time to franchise that. So what I'd say is consistent with the past is that it is franchiseable but we have not sort of laid plans in place right now to franchise it in the short term.

Sharon Zackfia

Analyst

Can I just ask, have you had Take 5 franchisees ask about the Car Wash business?

Jonathan Fitzpatrick

Management

Every day, Sharon, every day. And I'll tell you that we're -- the team are doing a really nice job of -- we've mentioned before where we developed Quick Lube and Car Wash on the same piece of real estate. This year, I don't know the exact number, but we have multiple Car Wash locations where we're sharing real estate with a Take 5 Quick Lube franchisee. And that continues to grow in sort of -- there's a continued momentum there. So a lot of our Take 5 franchisees are very familiar and aware with the sort of the opportunity within Car Wash.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Peter Keith with Piper Sandler.

Peter Keith

Analyst

Great results, everyone. Jonathan, in the script, you had talked about not seeing any change in consumer behavior. And you also teased out that you have potential levers to offset impacts from the economy. I was hoping you could expand upon that. I guess you also mentioned you have a 12x ROI at ad spend. Perhaps it means you can lean into ad spend. But what are the levers you're thinking about if some weakness does emerge?

Jonathan Fitzpatrick

Management

Yes. So thanks, Peter. We're obviously tracking all the businesses on a daily, weekly, monthly basis. I don't want to get into specific plans in terms of what levers we would pull because that may be not so helpful to our competitors. But look, obviously, we look at sort of revenue. We look at the ability to use price, to use promotion, obviously, wrapped with margin management and not giving up margin, the ability to leverage our direct-to-consumer digital marketing capabilities, the ability to leverage our fleet opportunity there. So lots of different things, but I don't want you to infer that this means that we lower price and increase discounting to get more customers in and be margin dilutive. So lots of different things that we can pull, and we're watching it very closely. In terms of the ROI on the direct-to-consumer digital marketing, look, it's an amazing opportunity within Driven, right? We've got 27 million unique customers that's growing at approximately 1 million customers a quarter. The ability to put those customers into our data lake and then funnel through our CRM machine is pretty amazing. The cost of doing that is fairly low, as you saw from the ROI. I mentioned the 4% -- represents about 4% of revenue for Driven Brands. That's a pretty conservative number when you think about a big part of that revenue comes from our Collision business, which is sort of nonretail consumer-facing. So I think the number is even better. So I think the ability to continue to lean into that, continue to develop even more curated personalized messaging is going to be sort of a great tailwind that we have as we look forward.

Peter Keith

Analyst

Yes. Okay. Sounds interesting. Maybe it's a little bit related, but on the Car Wash rebranding. So you noted that there's a 12% increase in volume lift for those units that have been rebranded. I guess what's driving that initially out of the first 6 months? And I would think that you're going to get better around cross-marketing Take 5 Car Wash. So could we expect that maybe that 12% volume increase improves over the coming quarters as you leverage that direct performance marketing?

Jonathan Fitzpatrick

Management

Look, we were obviously optimistic that we're only 90 days into the sort of post results and are pleased with the performance. So I'm not saying that you should expect increase from the 12%. But look, we love the business. We think there's massive power in having 1 national brand. There's a network effect there. There's a massive employee and vendor benefit as well there. So look, we're playing the long ball in Car Wash just like we've done with Quick Lube. We started that business from 0 in 2016, and it's now a massive growing business. And that's how we feel about Car Wash. So we think that -- we're very pleased with the early results. And we would be optimistic that we'll continue those results and hopefully build on them.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Chris O'Cull with Stifel.

Christopher O'Cull

Analyst

Tiffany, based on where your consolidated comps, same-store sales have come insofar this year, the full year guidance in the low double digit would seem to imply mid- to high single-digit comps in the back half of the year. So I was just hoping you could provide some context around how we should be thinking about that. Have you seen evidence that consumer spending could become -- could slow down or be a drag on comps in the back half? Or should we just interpret this as maybe just prudent conservatism given the environment?

Tiffany Mason

Management

Chris, thanks for the question. So here's what we're thinking about complexion across the quarters of the year. I mean -- and it's not that different than what I said at the start, 180 days ago when we first issued guidance, right? So we certainly expect -- we expected then and we expect today for first half same-store sales to be stronger than second half same-store sales. Some of that has to do with the complexion of last year and the easier comps first half versus second. I do want to highlight for you that third quarter in particular, we do expect to be the lowest comping quarter of the year. Some of that is just consumers adjusting to overall spending and some are travel ending, though we still expect third quarter to be high single digit. So we'd put some emphasis there. Second half comps, while slightly lower than first half, are not significantly lower. And then as we think about margin complexion, the second half, if you think about our full year guide of flat EBITDA margin implies second half somewhere in that 24% range to average out to flat margins relative to 2021. So I think we're seeing a pretty nice, relatively even spread over the course of the year with a couple of those nuanced remarks.

Christopher O'Cull

Analyst

No, that's helpful. And then Jonathan, thank you for updating us on the rebranding work at the Take 5 locations in Nashville. I was hoping you could provide us with some more details around the customer, how the customer experience might have changed and if customer satisfaction or intent to return has improved for those locations. And also, there's not as many Take 5 oil change locations in the Nashville market. So I was wondering if you expect with more Take 5 brand points that it might benefit new or existing oil change locations? And then just lastly, are you planning to convert the glass locations to the Take 5 brand after acquiring them?

Jonathan Fitzpatrick

Management

Yes. Chris, good stuff there. Let's start with sort of customer reaction in Nashville. So look, early days but the experience for the customer is significantly better pre- and post, I'll call it, rebranding. So number one, they see that now this is part of 15 Take 5 Car Washes in the Nashville market. Number two, any deferred maintenance that was there is done. So the equipment is working beautifully. The stores are physically looking better. So there's landscaping, there's lighting, there's parking lots. Anything that was not sort of "perfect" has been addressed. The team physically looks different because they're now all branded in these Take 5 uniforms. Obviously, we've got the signage. We've put in some new technology into the stores as well. Chris, we've put in really a great sort of camera system, which provides really interesting benefits, both in terms of data collection and sort of managing sort of claims and you do get some of that. We've also put in improved and updated merchandising and point-of-sale materials. Some of that includes a digital merchandising board. So I think as a customer, when you go through these stores, they're like, this feels different, it looks different and it's operating at a very high level. And we're seeing very nice consumer feedback in terms of Google ratings or other feedback that we get. So very pleased with sort of the consumer reaction on an early basis. You're right, Chris. We don't have a lot of Take 5 Quick Lubes in that Nashville market. And I think based on the phenomenal brand equity that has been built with Take 5, when we remodel stores or rebrand stores in markets with a heavier Take 5 brand equity or brand awareness, that will only be a positive. So pretty pleased about how that could shape up. In terms of glass and Take 5 glass, not necessarily looking at sort of -- or looking to disclose what our branding strategy may or may not be with glass as we look forward. We're very busy right now building and buying and integrating and building scale in that glass business. What I will tell you, though, Chris, is that I'm a big believer in 1 brand name. And I think there's a thinking about sort of national scale. So I think over time, we could, in fact, get to 1 brand name for glass, but certainly not indicating that it would be Take 5 glass at this point.

Operator

Operator

Our final question is from Peter Benedict with Baird.

Peter Benedict

Analyst

Okay. A lot have been asked here. Just, Tiffany, you mentioned kind of scenario analysis on the back half of the year. And Jonathan, you alluded to the levers. Just curious how you guys think about this business in the event of a recession. It's a question we got on all the companies we cover. You're resilient and you're needs-based. I think as we look over the next 4 years, the implied EBITDA CAGR is kind of mid-teens to get you to the $850 million. I know you think that's conservative. Just curious, if you play a scenario of recession in 2023, any reason why that path to kind of $850 million would be materially disrupted? Just how you're thinking about that?

Jonathan Fitzpatrick

Management

Yes. Peter, I'll start and Tiffany will obviously give additional color commentary. We're not concerned about our ability to meet or exceed the $850 million regardless of what may or may not happen in 2023. So let's start there. That is a very definitive statement and we'll stick by it. And part of that, Peter, is that we've got so many levers to grow this business, right? We've got company stores, we've got franchise stores, we've got M&A. Even if we head into "a defined recessionary period," we think that provides opportunity for us, right? So we think there'll be incremental opportunities with M&A. We think when we think about greenfield development, real estate prices will moderate, we'll be able to get into even better real estate locations at better prices. We know from history that this is a needs-based service business. So our core customer still uses their vehicle to live their everyday lives. And when we think about sort of the consumer discretionary funnel, we're pretty low in terms of the services that people can get rid of. So I think there's lots of other areas where probably people will sort of look at their spend. So we are incredibly optimistic around the ability to meet or exceed that $850 million. And despite some of the choppiness that may be ahead, we're not moving off that guidance. And we'll not move off that long-term guidance.

Tiffany Mason

Management

And Peter, I think the only thing I'd add to what Jonathan said and I wholeheartedly agree is, you have to remember that $850 million was built on a pretty conservative algorithm. And that algorithm was low single-digit same-store sales growth and low double-digit revenue growth. And I think the fact that in the early years of that long-term guide, we're putting up better performance. Running ahead right now gives us some room to maneuver in the out years should we hit some less than optimal economic time. So I wholeheartedly agree with Jonathan. I don't think the $850 million is at risk.

Peter Benedict

Analyst

Okay. And then -- and just on the interest expense, I appreciate the guidance you gave there. Just curious on the floating piece. Have you done any hedging on that, Tiffany? Or just what's kind of your assumption as you think about the LIBOR, et cetera, over the back half of the year?

Tiffany Mason

Management

Sure, Peter. So the only floating piece we have is a revolving credit facility and then the term loan that we just did in December. So again, it's only 20% of the total debt portfolio. And of course, the revolving credit facility is an -- a continually outstanding piece, right, that's opportunistic when we need it. So no hedging in place today but certainly have the opportunity to hedge and swap floating to fix should we need it. As we think about funding future growth, we certainly think about leveraging, first and foremost, our securitization vehicle, which would be at fixed rates. And we have the ability in that case to look out the curve and lock in rates where we need to.

Jonathan Fitzpatrick

Management

And I'll just wrap it up here, folks, real quick. So look, thanks for your time today. Look, we appreciate all the questions and engagement on our business. Our team is executing and we're pleased to deliver these strong results in Q2. These results are a testament to the resiliency of our needs-based service offering and our ability to drive sustainable growth and cash flow leveraging a proven playbook. We will continue to invest in the flywheel of growth. And we feel like we've got really significant momentum across our business. We're delivering against our long-term plan and our increased guide reflects our confidence in the business model. And as always, Investor Relations with Kristy will be available after the call if anyone has any further questions. But thank you again for your time this morning.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.