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Diebold Nixdorf, Incorporated (DBD)

Q4 2014 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 12, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone. Welcome to Diebold, Incorporated's Fourth Quarter 2014 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] At this time, for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to Vice President and Chief Communications Officer, Mr. John Kristoff. Please go ahead, sir.

John D. Kristoff

Analyst

Thank you, Tanisha. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today for Diebold's fourth quarter and year-end conference call. Joining me today are Andy Mattes, President and Chief Executive Officer; Chris Chapman, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Just a few notes before we get started. In addition to the earnings release, we've provided a supplementary presentation on the Investor page of our website. Andy and Chris will be walking through this presentation as part of their comments today, and we encourage you to follow along. Before we discuss our results, as of past calls, it's important to note that we are excluding certain restructuring charges and nonroutine expenses from our non-GAAP financials. We believe that excluding these items gives an indication of the company's baseline operational performance. As a result, many of the remarks this morning will focus on non-GAAP financial information. For reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financials, please refer to the supplemental material at the end of the presentation. Also as a reminder, some of the comments today may be considered forward-looking statements. Internal and/or external factors could significantly impact actual results. As a precaution, please refer to the more detailed risk factors that have previously been filed with the SEC. A replay of this conference call will be available later today from our website. For those listening to the replay, please keep in mind that the information discussed is only current as of today, and subsequent events may render the information and the replay out of date. And now with opening remarks, let me turn the call over to Andy.

Andreas Walter Mattes

Analyst

Thanks, John. Good morning, and welcome. Thank you for joining the call today as we discuss our results for the fourth quarter and full year. Let me begin by saying, we are pleased to report another strong operational performance. Our full year 2014 results demonstrate that our company is continuing to execute our transformation strategy and our work is paying off. A couple of key highlights for the year include growing our bottom line at a healthy multiple or top line. Total revenue for the year was up 7%, gross profit was up 16% and operating profit grew by more than 30%. This represents more than 4x revenue growth on a percentage basis. The revenue growth was broad-based with all 3 of our segments, FSS, security and Brazil Other growing in the year. Excluding the impact of currency, revenue increased 9%. Margins improved across the board but total gross margins expanding 190 basis points compared with the prior year. Product margins expanded 140 basis points coming in just above 20%, and we were able to grow service margins by 300 basis points, resulting in a 30% gross margin. Also, we were able to significantly exceed our free cash flow guidance for the year. This was a record cash collection quarter for Diebold as the entire organization focused on that effort. We are proud of the team's work to ensure we more than met our target. Our free cash flow of $125 million represents over 100% of net operating profit after taxes for the year. Non-GAAP EPS for the year was $1.73. This was within our range of expectations. Throughout 2014, the company was still in the crawl phase of our transformation. There were a number of challenges we needed to overcome and items to address which impacted earning results. As…

Christopher A. Chapman

Analyst

Thanks, Andy, and good morning, everyone. I will start off by walking through our fourth quarter and full year financial performance and then provide an update on our 2015 revenue, earnings and free cash flow outlook. Starting on Slide 15. Total revenue for the quarter increased 6% on a GAAP basis and approximately 10% in constant currency, seen increases in all regions. Our financial self-service business was the primary driver of growth in the quarter, up approximately 9% in constant currency with strong performance in North America. The Brazil Other business was also a strong contributor to total revenue growth. Looking at full year 2014, total revenue increased approximately 7% or 9% adjusted for currency. We're pleased with the progress we made in our constant currency growth across the majority of our businesses illustrating solid demand in our core markets. North America revenue was essentially flat with 15% year-over-year growth in Electronic Security. This was offset by a slight decline in FSS, which was impacted by restructuring activities in the first half of the year and improved as the year progressed. Latin America was down slightly but as Andy highlighted, we're pleased with the strong quarter activity and momentum we've seen in that region. Brazil has solid growth at 34%, or 46% on a constant currency basis, driven primarily by the Brazil Other business. EMEA and Asia-Pacific saw solid growth over the prior year, up 16% and 4% respectively, on a GAAP basis. Adjusting for currency, growth for the full year was 21% in EMEA and 8% in Asia Pacific. I will provide more details shortly, but as we've seen, the currency translation impact increased as 2014 progressed, and those headwinds have materialized further as we've entered 2015. As we move to Slide 16, financial self-service revenue for the quarter…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question will go to Matthew Lipton with Autonomous Research.

Matthew Lipton - Autonomous Research LLP

Analyst

I wanted to start with the product sales. You mentioned North American mix helping product gross margin. And I wanted to ask you more broadly about the trends you saw in ATM hardware demand in the quarter based on other reporters and yourself, it seems the market could be firming a bit from product sales. So where is the net demand coming from and do you think it could be -- it's lumpy or is it sustainable through '15?

Andreas Walter Mattes

Analyst

The drive for financial institutions to increase efficiency is creating some momentum in the market. Market researchers have the market grow at 4% to 5% over the next years. We see that manifesting itself. The encouraging thing if you take a look at the full year 2014 for us in North America was that the regional banks are starting to get more active. The branch automation is becoming topical in all kinds of financial institutions. So I mean, it's way too early to say the market is rebounding at a rapid pace but I do believe that the overall market conditions are looking -- starting to look better especially in North America.

Matthew Lipton - Autonomous Research LLP

Analyst

So Andy, would you say then that it seems the conversations are moving more broadly with smaller financial institutions, whereas in previous quarters, you didn't concentrate at the -- just at the largest institutions? Is that fair?

Andreas Walter Mattes

Analyst

That is a very fair statement. The branch automation is a phenomena that we see across the board, and we have conversations with banks, large and small. And if I take a look at our wins, if I take a look at our pipeline, it's very encouraging to see that the regionals as well as the local bank, the credit unions are starting to embrace this technology.

Matthew Lipton - Autonomous Research LLP

Analyst

That's great. And then, Chris, one for you on the FX. I think the incremental change in revenue and earnings, I mean, the earnings guidance moved, it imply a 5% FX headwind. I don't think you're that mismatched. So is it just kind of how you move the numbers around and really we should be thinking about incremental change in FX as both 3% on the top line and on the bottom line?

Christopher A. Chapman

Analyst

Yes. I think you're thinking about it correct, Matt. If you look at the top line impact versus the previous outlook we provided back in December, you're looking at about an additional $90 million move. The fallout of that obviously is coming from these geographies and the fallout rate on that's probably around 9%, 10% drop rate as we have more of our cost, obviously, sitting in U.S. dollar-denominated locations. So you got to apply a little bit higher, I would say, drop rate from a margin standpoint when you think about it from a modeling standpoint.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Gil Luria with Wedbush Securities.

Gil B. Luria - Wedbush Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Wedbush Securities.

In Asia, did you call out specifically China. How is the Chinese market progressing? Is it still broken out carefully between the different Western providers in the Chinese incumbent? Or is the Chinese incumbent getting more favorable treatment now from the Chinese banks?

Andreas Walter Mattes

Analyst · Wedbush Securities.

I think the answer to both of your questions is, yes. There is the -- there is a clear bias in China in the very large banks, in the Tier 1 banks, to -- towards local suppliers. By the same token, there is a vast opportunity in Tier 2 in Tier 3 banks which traditionally have been the strong suit of Diebold. And we are being successful in those type of account and that was also the reason why we had a strong Q4 in China.

Gil B. Luria - Wedbush Securities Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Wedbush Securities.

Got it. And then I know we just started 2015, but when I look at 2016 consensus estimates and I compare that with what you said on -- in your recent Analyst Day, you talked about growing slightly above the market. So maybe low- to mid-single digits and growing earnings 2x to 3x that. That sounds like low-double digits, but it looks like consensus estimates for 2016 of almost 30% growth. Is there anything unusual about 2016 that can explain that difference? Or are you sticking with the mid-term guidance you provided on the Analyst Day?

Christopher A. Chapman

Analyst · Wedbush Securities.

Yes. Gil, the guidance we provided during Analyst day still holds, but I think and obviously the environment given the exchange rate volatility has changed little bit. So when you're looking at on a constant-currency basis, the outlook we provided for 2016 still holds true. But -- and obviously the world changed a little bit with the significant drop we've seen in a few of these currencies so that's obviously going to impact, just from a translation impact some of the top line, bottom line numbers.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Paul Coster with JPMorgan. Paul Coster - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: So just a little bit picky on the 2015 guidance. So it looks like the GAAP EPS numbers have been reduced relative to prior guidance by, what, $0.15 to $0.20, but the pro forma by only $0.10. And it looks like there is some change to restructuring charges in non-routine. Is that foreign exchange related? Or is there something else happening there in the adjustments?

Christopher A. Chapman

Analyst

No. The change in the restructuring charges in non-routine expense not really is much related to currency. A big piece there is we're increasing our restructuring plan in the first half of the year, and so we estimate that to be more in the $0.05 to $0.07 range, and it was probably around $0.01 to $0.03 in the previous guidance. So that's the biggest piece of the change there. Slight increase in some of our legal and indemnification cost as well, but the big components really related to our restructuring charges increase. Paul Coster - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Okay, got it. And then your -- one of your competitors just talked about bookings not being a very good lead indicator of business from both American and financial services business anymore. Is that something you concur with? And sort of echoing the prior questions, we see a lot of activity in branch automation, branch transformation, which it does not seem to at least be reflected in bookings activity. So is there some kind of disconnect there?

Andreas Walter Mattes

Analyst

Those are 2 questions, Paul. Let me start with the latter. There is definitely way more activity or way more conversations in the market than what has manifested in orders for all players at this point in time. The encouraging point here is the conversations are happening and they are picking up. And as I said earlier, they are picking up especially also in the regional space. Now from the way you measure the market, bookings are a good indicator for a hardware business. The more we look into becoming a services-led software-enabled company, your -- you want to start looking at recurring monthly revenue, you want to look at TCVs because in many cases, especially in the software side if you go down, a SaaS model as well as in the managed services side if you have 3- or 5-year commitment, the revenue will show a pro rata versus the deal, which of course is a big deal, but it would not be reflected in the booking numbers. So I think collectively as an industry, we are looking to find KPIs that will give you and everybody else a better indication of where the pup is going and will be adding additional KPIs to our conversations once we're through with our new linked process and most important also, once we have the global IT infrastructure to provide this data in a consistent fashion.

Operator

Operator

Our next question goes to Joe Radigan with KeyBanc.

Joseph Kenneth Radigan - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst

I want to first touch on OpEx. So SG&A was about 15.6% of sales in 2013 adjusted for some of the restructuring charges. It jumped up to 16.3% this year with some of the reinvestments you're making, which it sounds like that's going to moderate as we go through this year. Longer-term, as you get leveraged from the work you're doing now, what do you think is a reasonable target for SG&A? And then maybe part 2 there, does the RD&E component of OpEx stay at around 3% of revenue? Or does that go up given kind of your new product pipeline and what you have in development?

Christopher A. Chapman

Analyst

I'll address the latter first. With regards to the R&D, we would expect that to probably stay at current levels for the foreseeable future and maybe level off a little bit. As we obviously continue to drive our collaborative innovation process. With regards to the SG&A, we're not giving forward-looking -- a forward-looking number specifically. The expectation is we're going to continue to leverage and see that come down as we exit '15 and go into '16 and the reinvestments start to tail off. And so, obviously, we'll be looking to leverage that as we move forward.

Joseph Kenneth Radigan - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then on the branch automation or branch transformation, how competitive is the environment there, particularly in the small and regional bank space? And given that it's a new product set with some new technology, how are your customers treating it? Is it typically a big off where they're evaluating multiple options? Or is it more of a consultative sale where it's been driven more by the legacy relationship? And I guess what I'm getting at, is this a door opener for a potential share shift among your customer base? Or how is that process going in the early stages here?

Andreas Walter Mattes

Analyst

This is a great question. This is clearly a consultative sale. This is not about a product, this is about process, this is about TCO, this is about customer experience, this is about omni-channel. And in many cases, our customers, especially in the regional bank space, they approach us and ask us for experiences around the globe from projects that's been done somewhere else, lessons learned, so very much a higher-level sale, very much a consultative approach, and we're leveraging all the relationships that we have and we actually consider those relationships a big asset going forward, as we're jointly plotting a course into uncharted territory with our customers.

Joseph Kenneth Radigan - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Okay, that's helpful. And then maybe lastly, Andy. You've made some recent changes around your leadership team and several at the regions. Can you talk about what drove that? And are you comfortable now with the team that you have in place at this point?

Andreas Walter Mattes

Analyst

We've had really good success bringing top leadership into the company. We've brought a lot of great athletes to Diebold. We've been very -- working very hard and are working very hard to turn all these athletes into a great All-Star team. The results so far are very encouraging. Whenever we brought a new regional leader in, we can see positive momentum in the numbers, you can see that in LatAm, you can see that in Asia Pacific, you can see that in EMEA. And we expect this trend to continue as we upgrade leadership across the organization. In general, we've -- if you take a look at the mix, we've upgraded about 2/3 of the leadership team, but half of the leadership team is coming from external. We've got some noticeable internal promotions, Chris, of course, being the most prominent of them all. And my senior team is starting to stabilize, which is really a good thing. Now the challenge for us is in the task at hand is to make sure that, that talent upgrade flows through the organization. And as we get the mid-level of the organization to the get to the phase performance level and align them with our thought process. And that's always the hardest part in a turnaround is to get it through every layer of the organization. But I can tell you, we had a town hall with our North Canton workforce last night. If I take a look at the type of questions, the level of enthusiasm in the room today versus what it looked like when I joined the company 18 months ago, it's night and day and while we still have a lot of work ahead of us, I'm very encouraged about the progress that we've been making so far.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Kartik Mehta with Northcoast Research.

Kartik Mehta - Northcoast Research

Analyst · Northcoast Research.

Andy, I wanted to ask you a little bit about Brazil and your outlook for operating margins in 2015 for that region. And specifically, the ability to improve maybe some volatility, is that possible? Or there is some unique characteristics that won't allow you to do that?

Andreas Walter Mattes

Analyst · Northcoast Research.

Well, the Brazilian market is a very unique market, as you know. Let's take it in different buckets. Brazil Other is lumpy, will remain lumpy, and we've always said, we're opportunistic about this business, and we only do business that helps us to drive factory load, which is a table stake that you have to have if you want to play in the FSS market in Brazil. The FSS business is concentrated around basically 6 major banks in Brazil, so their buying patterns will be cyclical and basically depending on their investment strategies. But what's very encouraging was the fact that the FSS growth that we saw in Q4 were happening across multiple accounts and that we were able to gain share, especially also in the out of branch network in Brazil. But talking to volatility on the cost side, one of the -- since we've done in the past, since we treated Brazil as an island, it's just very easy to do giving all the regulatory environment that you have. The regulatory environment don't necessarily pertain to the workforce that we have employed there. And if they take a look at the very solid growth that had -- we had in Latin America, if I take a look at the highly qualified workforce we have in Brazil, you can see that it's very logical to make sure that you have a broader workforce pool and that we drive utilization of the workforce, utilization of expertise across a multitude of countries and Octavio has done a spectacular job turning Latin America around in the first 12 months that he's been with the company, and we have very high expectations of him in the combined region.

Kartik Mehta - Northcoast Research

Analyst · Northcoast Research.

And then, Andy, I think in your opening remarks, you mentioned that some opportunities you have for managed services. I guess, the two-part question there. One, is that on the ATM side or the security side? And second, is that U.S. or international right now?

Andreas Walter Mattes

Analyst · Northcoast Research.

The answer to both of your questions is, both. So the security business -- that's where the whole idea of recurring monthly revenue is way more prominent that these deals are primarily 3-year deals, and you go into long-term customer relationships like the deal we've announced at Analyst Day with Sprint for instance. Now if you take a look at the banking side, as we go into branch automation, as the banks are reinventing themselves, they're also exploring new business models, and that's where the idea of the whole managed services comes in. And more, for instance, the more there are security issues out there, the Windows 7 upgrade, people all of a sudden realize that being always concurrent with their security on their software system is a key item, making sure, for instance, that a company like ourselves guaranteed that for a bank versus your internal staff who might not be focused or might not be 100% in the loop of all the latest and greatest things that are happening is a true value proposition. Same holds true on the compliance side. So those type of conversations are increasing rapidly. Then again, until you sign these type of contracts, a very lengthy conversation, those are anywhere between 12- to 24-month sales cycles. But once you form those relationships, they are long-term relationships. And I mentioned Belgian Post. I mean, they pretty much have handed the keys of the car over to us. We do everything. We do the hardware, we do software, we do services, we do software upgrades, we do security patches, do, do not's and it's those types of relationships that we believe will be very important and where we see a clear market differentiator from Diebold versus all our competitors.

Kartik Mehta - Northcoast Research

Analyst · Northcoast Research.

And then just one last question, Chris, for you. Would you expect capital working improvements in 2015 and that being a source of cash for you guys?

Christopher A. Chapman

Analyst · Northcoast Research.

My expectation is to see slight improvement. Again, as we talked about before we have on the DSO side, a little bit of geographic mix that comes through. And so I think continuing to perform somewhere in that 41, 43 range is appropriate. Inventory, in my opinion, is our biggest opportunity still, and we'll continue to drive improvements in that regard, and I've been very pleased with the work we've had in our procurement organization on appropriately extending contract terms, and so that's been a nice benefit that we've seen there from an efficiency standpoint on the working capital. And I would also point out, as I outlined in a few of the -- on the slides regarding the pension impact we're going to see next year on -- of about $15 million that will impact our free cash flow. But overall, very happy with our focus and the performance there.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from Justin Bergner with Gabelli & Company.

Justin Bergner - G. Research, Inc.

Analyst · Gabelli & Company.

First of all, I want to congratulate you on the strong free cash flow performance. Finishing 2014 it seems like you came in well above your forecast, but you're -- it seems like you're also maintaining your $120 million free cash flow forecast in 2015, notwithstanding the better performance in '14 and maybe some currency headwinds. Could you maybe talk about what's allowing you to maintain your '15 free cash flow forecast?

Christopher A. Chapman

Analyst · Gabelli & Company.

Yes. If you look at our 2015 free cash flow forecast, we feel good about the underlying GAAP earnings, GAAP results that are going to drive the operational portion of that cash flow. And so we've got good line of sight to that. Our focus on the working capital efficiencies, in that regard, gives us pretty good line of sight. Again, very, very encouraged with the all-around performance across the geographies that we've seen as we exited 2014. And again, this is an area where we see there is continuous room for improvement. And overall, again, we've outlined our goal as to finish our free cash flow at greater than 90% of our net operating profit after tax, and I feel good about that target as we move forward.

Andreas Walter Mattes

Analyst · Gabelli & Company.

Justin, let me just add on a higher level. I think it's a really good example how the alignment of company goals and strategy and individual goals and compensation payout. We started 2 years ago to make sure that working capital objectives, free cash flow objectives are in everybody's goal sheet. It's a KPI that we talk about. When I joined the company, we took it out of the financial closet and made it a broad area of discussion. There is not a monthly business review where we would not hit on these topics. There are weekly calls that we have on -- around improvement. And if you'd ask somebody today in the organization, it doesn't matter whether you're talking to a sales person, a service person, a finance specialist, an accountant, everyone within Diebold would be able to tell you which role he or she plays in driving better working capital metricies for the company. And that's one of the main reasons why you see this improvement because free cash flow is one of the things where this is not the work of a few people, this is a work of all 16,000 Diebold employees we have around the globe. Everybody is been pitching and everybody will continue to pitch in. And we feel very confident that this is starting to become part of the -- our DNA and part of the way we're thinking as a company.

Justin Bergner - G. Research, Inc.

Analyst · Gabelli & Company.

Great. So then I should infer that whatever benefits you got in the fourth quarter from, I guess, prepayments on the working capital side will either not be given back in '15 or if they're given back, will be offset with gains elsewhere?

Christopher A. Chapman

Analyst · Gabelli & Company.

Yes. If you look at the overall prepayment benefit, I would say that the activity we saw in the fourth quarter of 2014 was above some of the historical performance we've seen there. But as you point out though, we'll continue to drive that activity appropriately. We've seen the behaviors in the past. We're not modeling quite a strong performance on the prepay side against some of that -- can push 1 month or 2 and could end up in 2016 or '15. But overall, we feel good about our program and delivering on that commitment.

Justin Bergner - G. Research, Inc.

Analyst · Gabelli & Company.

Okay. On the pension side, are you -- is there any mortality table hit for you in '15? Or is that going to come later?

Christopher A. Chapman

Analyst · Gabelli & Company.

Yes. We've adopted a new mortality table, and so that's impacting our pension expense slightly as we move forward in addition to the change in discount rates. So if you looked at that from a modeling standpoint, 2014 pension expense was around $3 million and as you think about that in 2015, it's going to be approximately $8 million so about $5 million increase year-on-year.

Justin Bergner - G. Research, Inc.

Analyst · Gabelli & Company.

Okay. And that's within your adjusted guidance?

Christopher A. Chapman

Analyst · Gabelli & Company.

Correct. That's included in our -- that was included in our guidance.

Justin Bergner - G. Research, Inc.

Analyst · Gabelli & Company.

And was it anticipated back in December as well?

Christopher A. Chapman

Analyst · Gabelli & Company.

A fairly similar amount, yes.

Justin Bergner - G. Research, Inc.

Analyst · Gabelli & Company.

Okay. Finally, I know that we're trying to sort of move beyond orders because they're very product focused. But if I sort of do the math on your constant currency orders, excluding sort of Brazil Other, I guess, I'm arriving at like a high-single digit quarter rate in the fourth quarter globally, weighting it by your different geographies, am I sort of in the right ballpark?

Christopher A. Chapman

Analyst · Gabelli & Company.

Yes, you are.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeffrey Kessler with Imperial Capital.

Jeffrey T. Kessler - Imperial Capital, LLC

Analyst · Imperial Capital.

No security questions today. The question I do have though is about the content of your services business as it becomes a more predominant part of the company and drives more and more of the company and hopefully with higher margins. What are the 4 or 5 leading services that you are going to be able to kind of throw into that or recurring revenue bucket that we can start maybe using monthly recurring revenue as a part of the valuation process to value your stock? In other words, what are those 5 or 6 bullet points in terms of services that are going to drive the majority of the services increase as it gets bigger relative to product?

Andreas Walter Mattes

Analyst · Imperial Capital.

That's really a good question, Jeff. So if you think about we like to focus on everything that is remote manageable. So we do intrusion, we do video, we do fire, a lot of the monitoring. Our -- if you take a look at our solutions portfolio, SecureStat, that I know that you're very familiar with, is a very important element because what it does, it allows us to go into just about any customer, switch them over to Diebold's remote monitoring without them having to upgrade any their -- of their equipment on-site. So there's no forklift upgrade, we can work with whatever they have, whatever video camera, whatever monitoring panels, whichever vendor they like. And if you look at the announcement that we just sent out yesterday in our collaboration with Eagle Eye, that's taken it even a step forward because that's when you get into the cloud monitoring space and providing cloud analytics around video. So those are the main areas that we're thriving on. The other thing that you, I know, you're aware of that's a key value proposition for Diebold is our fact that we solely focus on large regional and national accounts. We don't do residential, we don't do so small business, we only focus on those large operations because the value proposition that we bring is one throat to choke, single solutions that you have that people have easy access and especially when you talk about software cash management, transaction processing, these are complicated things. But having one partner coast-to-coast is a huge differentiator.

Jeffrey T. Kessler - Imperial Capital, LLC

Analyst · Imperial Capital.

Okay. Can you translate that over also into the FSS area? What specific services areas are growing fastest for you in that there?

Andreas Walter Mattes

Analyst · Imperial Capital.

Video is being one of them, especially. And everything that's around the ATM security. The fact that every one of our new machines is equipped with video cameras is yet another driver for that. And then if you look into the other services element, the whole idea of doing total implementation services when a financial institution wants to upgrade, whether it's going from a Diebold legacy base into a new base or from a competitive base into a new base. And we take care of all the idiosyncrasies, all the project management, all the work that has to be done because whenever a bank looks at upgrading 20, 30 branches a week, as an example, that's a massive project management task and that's again one of the sweet spots where Diebold has been excelling. And you know that, for instance, in Europe, our Bankia contract spotted out exactly around this value proposition. A lot of our French contracts are based on this value proposition, and we've now started to offer the same services here in the United States, and it's starting to pick up traction.

Operator

Operator

And at this time, I would like to turn the program back over to John Kristoff with any closing remarks.

John D. Kristoff

Analyst

Thank you, everyone, for joining us on the call this morning. As always, if you have any follow-up questions, please contact me or Chris Sikora directly. Thanks, again.