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Community Health Systems, Inc. (CYH)

Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Wed, Apr 29, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing-by, and welcome to Community Health Systems' First Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Mr. Ross Comeaux, Vice President of Investor Relations. Thank you. Please go ahead sir.

Ross Comeaux

Analyst

Thank you, Mike. Good morning, and welcome to Community Health Systems' first quarter conference call. Before we begin the call, I'd like to read the following disclosure statement. This conference call may contain certain forward-looking statements, including all statements that do not relate solely to historical or current facts. These forward-looking statements are subject to a number of known and unknown risks, which are described in headings such as Risk Factors in our annual report on Form 10-K and other reports filed with or furnished to the Securities and Exchange Commission. As a consequence, actual results may differ significantly from those expressed in any forward-looking statements in today's discussion. We do not intend to update any of those forward-looking statements. Yesterday afternoon, we issued a press release with our financial statements and definitions and calculations of adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS. For those of you listening to the live broadcast of this conference call, a supplemental slide presentation has been posted to our website. We will refer to those slides during this earnings call. All calculations, we will discuss also exclude: gain or loss from early extinguishment of debt; impairment expense as well as gains or losses on the sale of businesses; expenses from government and other legal settlements and related costs; expenses from settlement and legal expenses related to cases covered by the CVR and change in valuation allowance. With that said, I'd like to turn the call over to Mr. Wayne Smith, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. Mr. Smith.

Wayne Smith

Analyst

Thank you, Ross. Good morning and welcome to our first quarter conference call. Joining me today are Dr. Lynn Simon, President of Clinical Operations and Chief Medical Officer, Tim Hingtgen, our President and Chief Operating Officer, Kevin Stockton, our regional President for our Western Region and Kevin Hammons, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. The remarkable events of the past several weeks have deeply affected all of us, significantly altering our lives, jobs, businesses, and economy. We've made necessary sacrifices and that's especially true for essential workers across many industries. On the front lines, physicians, nurses, other caretakers and support personnel have further earned our tremendous respect and appreciation. I am incredibly proud of the entire healthcare community and grateful to everyone across the CHS organization for their professionalism and compassion and our work to confront the COVID-19 pandemic. Our hospital teams have been organized, resourceful, and most importantly, ready and available for every patient who needs our support. And they still are. Our regional operations, operational leaders, hospital executives and corporate support teams have worked around the clock leveraging our resources into a comprehensive, coordinated rapid and agile response. Our goals have been very clear from the beginning, safety first. That's the mantra across our entire company. And there's been, there's never been a time when it matters more. We focused on the safety of every patient, whether positive for COVID-19 or not. We have worked to protect our medical teams and healthcare workers from exposure, by implementing screening and testing capabilities, ensuring adequate personal protective equipment despite sometimes challenged supply availability. We have worked to flatten the curve in our communities by partnering with local officials and health departments and by doing our part to help educate the public with important information. Next, we have focused on…

Lynn Simon

Analyst

Thank you, Wayne. Our company has a long and successful history of managing through a variety of natural disasters and other healthcare emergencies. For COVID-19, although quite different than what we have managed in the past, due to the duration and the national scope of this pandemic we're able to utilize our same incident command infrastructure, which enabled us to fully leverage the depth of our company's resources and create a high-level of coordination across the organization. Let me start off by stating that each of our markets have actively prepared to provide care for COVID-19 patients and to anticipate the potential for surge conditions. Every hospital developed a comprehensive plan that included various staffing scenarios, facility surge capacity options, processes for COVID testing, and implemented enhanced infection control protocols. In order to monitor the impact of COVID-19 in each of our markets, we developed a proprietary COVID-19 tracking dashboard that provides real-time visibility into the number of confirmed or suspected COVID-19 cases, within each of our facilities. This level of visibility allowed our entire organization to understand each hospital's unique circumstances, including available bed capacity to accept additional patients, as well as other important factors such as ventilator utilization, staffing, and supply needs. Today we have tested approximately 25,000 patients for a potential COVID-19 diagnosis and we have cared for over 2,000 confirmed COVID-19 patients in our hospitals, EDs, and outpatient care settings. Utilizing the expertise of cross-functional, multi-disciplinary teams that CHS subject matter experts such as infection prevention, quality nursing services, supply chain and human resources, we are able to quickly assimilate and respond to a variety of different situations including various regulatory changes, the status of critical supplies, adapting to evolving clinical guidelines and multiple other factors. We have a daily cadence of conference calls among our leadership teams and provide very prioritized communications to our hospital leaders. This coordinated framework provides our markets with any support that might be needed and allows us to obtain continuous feedback. This structure and process has worked extremely well in supporting our hospitals through their individual experience with this pandemic, which obviously varied by hospital and by region. I'm proud to say that throughout this challenging time we have upheld our focus on safety and quality for our patients, for our staff, our physicians and our communities. At this point we are sensing that we may have reached the peak of COVID-19 cases in many of our markets and a number of our hospitals are shifting additional attention to reopening for business as Tim will now describe. Tim.

Tim Hingtgen

Analyst

Thank you, Lynn. First, I'd like to provide you with an overall status update on the impact of COVID-19 in our volumes. Obviously, a number of non-time sensitive medical procedures that were originally scheduled for March and April were canceled or deferred, reducing our run rate on admissions, surgeries and ER visits. Over the past few weeks, this lower run rate of volumes has now stabilized and we expect that in May, we will see business recovery begin to ramp up. Now, we are intently focused on reopening and restoring our path to sustain market development and growth. While we plan to support our hospitals with resources and best practices through their reopening phase, each market's state and local regulations are unique, which warrants different approaches for reopening business after shelter-in-place orders end. And more than half of the 17 states in which we operate, these orders have already been lifted or modified, which includes four of our five highest revenue generating states Indiana, Texas, Alabama, and Tennessee. This has enabled us to resume some level of elective procedures this week, especially for patients whose appointments and more critical services were postponed. Affiliated hospitals in other states are in an active planning mode to resume business with all but two of our states scheduled to resume some elective procedures beginning next week. We do expect that every market will be in a position to restore services throughout the month of May. Of course, this assumes that COVID-19 cases continue to decline in these states. The COVID response and management team that Lynn described earlier will continue to support all markets into the foreseeable future so that we remain in a constant state of readiness for fluctuations in COVID cases, including the possibility of more cases after shelter in place orders…

Kevin Stockton

Analyst

Thank you, Tim, and hello, everyone. I’m pleased to be with you today to talk through some of our planning as we reopen our facilities to additional health care services. These are strategies we are leveraging in not only the Western region, but across other CHS markets since this is a scalable model. We developed this plan to be mindful of our safety imperative and the regulations in place in each specific market. First is early market preparedness. Our preparation efforts, which started soon after COVID-19 impacted our communities, have been vital in identifying and tracking delayed health care opportunities. While also maintaining a focus on current and the potential for future business through the addition of telehealth and digital care options. These strategies allowed important touch points with our patients who are required to delay care and kept them engaged and readily available for rescheduling. In addition, our adoption of traditional and new care options will allow patients to conveniently access services in our health systems, where they can be thoughtfully navigated for additional health care needs. These efforts will facilitate the strongest rebound of elective volumes possible as COVID-19 restrictions are loosened and our markets reopen. Secondly, we are enhancing safety protocols for both patients and staff. This includes strategies for conservation of personal protective equipment, adherence to lab testing guidelines and careful COVID-19 screening procedures. Our work is very centered on keeping patients safe, communicating about how we are doing that and creating the best possible patient experiences under these new operating conditions. To that end, we have created new processes for elective patient testing, redesigned waiting in care areas to ensure social distancing, adopted universal masking protocols and utilize separate care locations. We’re available to provide safety and security. We believe that consumer confidence will build…

Tim Hingtgen

Analyst

Thank you, Kevin. As Kevin mentioned, we have been focused on both adaptability and execution. And while the timing and pace at which health care demand will return is difficult to forecast today, we are encouraged by the early reports coming out of the markets that have already begun their reopening phase. We believe that we are well positioned to meet the current and future health care needs of our communities, due in large part because of our focus on the strategic advancement of key service lines with capital investments and medical staff recruitment, as well as access point development prior to the COVID-19 pandemic. Now turning to the cost management side. As we have shared on previous earnings calls, our management team formalized and began executing upon a strategic margin improvement program back in the third quarter of 2019. As a reminder, the plan included a detailed analysis of corporate, shared services and hospital synergies. We have continued to deploy our supply chain and vendor spend reduction initiatives as well as thoughtfully reorganize certain non-clinical areas, implement technology-led process improvements and implement other cost reduction efforts system-wide. The progress from these programs was evident in our results through the end of February, and we are continuing to execute the strategic margin improvement plan as we move forward. As we have mentioned on this call, there are a number of variables that could impact the timing and extent to which we regain our growth momentum. We are continuously analyzing and monitoring a number of scenarios, and we are confident in our ability to demonstrate agility as we manage through this unprecedented operating environment. And now, I will turn the call over to Kevin Hammons.

Kevin Hammons

Analyst

Thank you, Tim, and good morning, everyone. Due to the unusual circumstances caused by COVID-19 toward the end of the first quarter, I will not cover all of our typical financial metrics today. Instead, I would point you to the 8-K in our slide deck for additional details. When looking at the first quarter, I believe it is important to highlight the trajectory we were on prior to the impact of COVID-19. On a year-over-year basis through February, our net operating revenues had increased approximately 3%, our adjusted EBITDA had increased 12%, and our adjusted EBITDA margin had expanded 200 basis points. During the first two months of the quarter we continued to see success from our strategic margin improvement program that had began in the second half of 2019. As a percent of our consolidated net operating revenues, our salaries and benefits decreased 20 basis points, supplies decreased 150 basis points and other operating expenses decreased 50 basis points. As a result, we were off to a strong start for the quarter. We saw continued momentum building in the beginning of March, and due to a favorable March calendar, we expected to deliver continued improvement and growth year-over-year for the month of March. Beginning in the middle of March, we experienced rapid declines in volumes due to the COVID-19 pandemic, which we have highlighted throughout today’s call. So before moving on to additional details on the first quarter, I wanted to provide an update regarding our volumes during the month of April, which has been impacted in a similar fashion compared to other national healthcare systems and the external hospitals survey data. Looking at the month of April on a year-over-year and same-store basis, the company’s inpatient admissions are down approximately 35%, adjusted admissions are down approximately 45%, surgery…

Wayne Smith

Analyst

Thank you, Kevin. And at this point operator, we’re ready to open up for questions. We’ll limit everyone to one question so several you’ll have time on the call. But as always, we’re available to talk to you. Anytime you can reach us at area code 615-465-7000.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Josh Raskin from Nephron Research.

Josh Raskin

Analyst

Hi, thanks. Good morning. And I’ll sort of share my thanks for all the work that the folks at Community and other hospitals are doing, especially the clinical staff. My question talks a little bit more about is, sort of emerging. I feel like every week, it’s different. Just this process of the markets reopening, and you talked about some of the markets that are opening first. How do you sort of think about capacity and what that looks like? Are you able to bring sort of full capacity online or is the safety protocols, sort of inhibit a little bit of that? What percentage of the electives that you guys have seen deferred or rescheduled? And then, how do you prioritize the actual procedures? What goes first and what types of patients are you seeing early?

Wayne Smith

Analyst

So Josh, this is Wayne. I think you heard Kevin, give a little bit of a report in terms of how our process is working. So I think we’re very well organized in terms of how we stage our capacity issues, just as we did in terms of being able to stage our capacity issue of the COVID-19 patients. So I feel pretty comfortable where we are. And I also feel pretty comfortable that we have a pretty good read on this because of the work we’ve done around our telehealth program, which we’re having a huge number of calls every week on that. But let me turn it to Lynn to kind of talk about the clinical issues.

Lynn Simon

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Wayne. So I think it depends really market by market and their service line focus areas. But many are focusing on a lot of high throughput, outpatient procedures. So again, patients that can quickly have their procedure and be transitioned home, without necessarily taking up a hospital bed or ICU bed. And then, some of the limited by capacity, by state regulations, et cetera.

Wayne Smith

Analyst

So the only other thing I would add, Josh, is that we are encouraged by what we see in the first week in terms of recovery.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Frank Morgan from RBC Capital Markets.

Frank Morgan

Analyst

Good morning. Appreciate the color there in that, Lynn, on that subject. I’m sure you’ve talked to a lot of physicians about this, but are you getting any feedback from – that they’re giving you about client – or patients’ receptiveness to actually coming back in from procedures, for an inpatient basis? I understand outpatients should come back fairly quickly but just any color around that? And then maybe for Kevin, just how do you want to do the accounting treatment for the Cares Act payment? Thanks.

Lynn Simon

Analyst

Yes. Thanks. Obviously, the docs are anxious to get back to work. And what we’re seeing is as long as we can reassure that we have the protocols in place, that the patients can be seen, they’re screened, and they’re taken care of safely. And then also, setting up zones within the hospital. So they know that if they’re coming in for a non-COVID procedure, that they’re in an area taken care of by staff that are dedicated to those areas as well. So again, trying to set up separate areas within the facility for COVID care patients and non-COVID care patients.

Tim Hingtgen

Analyst

And I’ll add a few things to that, Frank. This is Tim. In terms of the by-market approach that the framework that Kevin Stockton referenced in the call today certainly, as Lynn said, we want to manage through some state-by-state guidelines and requirements. But the one thing we’ve been very focused on is understanding the consumer behavior or concern element of this. First of all, wanting to do the right thing to provide care very safely, but also understanding that there are certain visible things we could do to reassure patients that we are all about their safety, if the country continues to work through the pandemic. We’re maintaining a lot of the same visitor restrictions. But as patients do enter our health care systems, instead of just screeners, we also are going to have a certain level of, I’ll call it, concierge support to help guide them through anything they do within our hospitals. And then, the other thing that we’ve focused on is where we have outpatient access points that could serve in purposes or in ways that our inpatient care facilities have served in the past, maybe directing patients more in that way so that they’re not exposed to the full hospital environment and get increased utilization in our outpatient access points as we reopen.

Kevin Hammons

Analyst

And then, Frank, on the accounting question. The accelerated Medicare payments will just be a balance sheet item. There’s no income statement impact of that, but it is cash flow benefit. In terms of the $245 million grant, our expectation right now is that, that is the second quarter benefit to revenue, which will flow through to EBITDA. I know the accounting industry is weighing in with the SEC on that and final word hasn’t come out, but that is everyone’s current thinking. Then the sequestration relief is kind of a prospective P&L benefit, just an increase in reimbursement on the Medicare claims. And the payroll tax deferral is also just a balance sheet cash flow item.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from A.J. Rice from Credit Suisse.

A.J. Rice

Analyst

Hi, everybody. I’m glad to hear everyone’s doing well. Just maybe to focus in on the labor side a little bit. To what extent in those last couple of weeks of March, were you able to flex labor? And was there more – has there been more of an opportunity early in the second quarter to do it? And then when you think about the procedures coming back, sometimes when you have excess procedures, you end up having to pay a lot of overtime or other stuff. Or do you have enough flex in your workforce so that you can absorb these procedures, and they’ll come on to you and come back to you at a normalized margin? Or should we think about some need to pay overtime to get those procedures work through?

Kevin Hammons

Analyst

Sure. Let me start off here, A.J. So at the end of March, certainly, the pandemic hit very late in the quarter, as you’re all aware, which gave us less opportunity to deal with expenses from a timely basis. We did have some reduction in premium labor costs, callback, overtime rates and that sort of thing as volumes started to fall off. Going forward into April, we have not had any large-scale layoffs or furloughs. It’s been more of a market-by-market decision. We’ve managed through those costs, primarily using reduced work schedules, job sharing and those sort of leverage that we’ve pulled so that we could manage through kind of the labor costs as volumes continue to decline through April.

Tim Hingtgen

Analyst

And A.J., this is Tim. I will just add to Kevin’s comments. We were protective of our – on staff throughout the crisis for the reasons Kevin denoted. We wanted to be ready on the other side of this to reactivate our reopening plans and having an engaged workforce is such, obviously, a key to that. We kind of look at this in terms of how do you do this. In some markets, there may be a need to go to extended hours, but we’ve cautioned all of our operators to really be nimble, be flexible. Depending on what the physicians, the surgeons and the patients’ desire, we’ll be ready to take the business and open up on extended hours and on weekends. But we kind of deployed the dial versus the switch approach here. Dialing back and forth depending on what’s happening in each market from demand, but also from a resurgence of COVID-19 cases, should that happen, if we don’t reopen up these communities safely. But at the end of the day, probably getting back to some of the regular schedules we saw, where we’ve always had a certain amount of overtime, weekend scheduling, during peak demand seasons, like the fourth quarter, we’ve always been able to manage that influx of incremental business and drive really sufficient margin on it.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Andrew Mok from Barclays.

Andrew Mok

Analyst

Hi, good morning, and thanks to everyone in the organization for your collective effort during the crisis. On to my question. Now that the formal divestiture program is completed, how should we think about ongoing portfolio rationalization? You mentioned in your prepared remarks that you’re still generating inbound interest. Will divestiture still be an area of focus, just not in a formalized plan? Any comments there would be helpful. Thanks.

Kevin Hammons

Analyst

I would answer that by saying we will continue to take inbound interest and consider opportunities, if they are strategic in nature or the multiple that’s being offered is just something that would be in our best interest to consider, but divestitures will not be a primary focus as we go forward. I think our portfolio, as we currently have, is one that we believe is very strong, and that we can grow and has a good trajectory going forward.

Wayne Smith

Analyst

Absolutely, Kevin. Let me just add to that a little bit. I just want to acknowledge all the people that have worked really hard on divestitures, while we’re trying to grow the business and trying to deal with the COVID-19. Unbelievable work. And particularly, if you look at the rate that we’ve gotten 10 times or 11 times in terms of multiples, and we’ve been able to get through this unbelievably quick, even though it’s taken a couple of years, but it’s unbelievably quick in terms of all this. So I just want to thank everyone for that. But it is a –- it was a formidable job, but the execution was excellent. So we’re on the right track now. And as Kevin said, we’ve got a great portfolio with opportunity for substantial growth going forward.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Brian Tanquilit from Jefferies.

Brian Tanquilit

Analyst

Hey, good morning, guys, and thanks for taking question. I guess, the question I have, Wayne, as we think about your comment about how you guys are trying to maintain your competitive position. The smaller guys or smaller operators in your markets are obviously struggling or were already struggling before COVID. And with the government stepping in, how do you view that balance of government relief coming in? Is that sufficient? And on the other side of that, the competitive dynamic where you are gaining share potentially as your smaller or inferior competitors struggle?

Wayne Smith

Analyst

Yes. Let me just start with the government. How can you not be happy if you get $245 million from the government, $1.2 billion in terms of accelerated payments? I would say, though, that all of us in the industry have – I don’t want to call it absolute concern, but some issues around the calculations on how this is being distributed, and we’re working hard to try to correct those issues. We think maybe the first $30 billion, it could have been distributed a little different, but that’s part of the first $50 billion. We still have $50 billion to go in that group, and then we’ve got the $75 billion coming. So we’re very optimistic about what we will – what will happen in the next distributions out of all these kind of going forward. So I’m real comfortable with that. Look, the competitive advantage that we think we have in the markets now are not only just – are we well-positioned, but as we’ve talked about for the last two, three years, we’ve been building and enhancing our markets and trying to figure out ways that we can really gain market share. A good example of this I think is our telemedicine experience that we just had here, where we are now having 20,000 calls a week. I get excited. It's hard to imagine, 20,000 calls a week. And what that does is that that's, we talk about digital marketing, all those kinds of, that's a real connection to patient. It's an opportunity for our doctors to say, somebody asked the question earlier about apprehension in terms of returning to a hospital inpatient. It's a real opportunity for our doctors to say, look, we've got this, we're going to take care of you. Hospital is safe, employees are working hard, they're safe and we're going to do a good job for you. I think that those components as well as all the work we've done in terms of, number of physicians, locations, freestanding EDs, all the above that we've done in our markets, I think really positioned us well competitively.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ralph Giacobbe from Citi.

Ralph Giacobbe

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning. Was hoping you could provide or give some idea of differences in underlying volume trends across your market. Is there significant variance around that 35% and anything you can determine around sort of the behaviors or characteristics between the markets. And then separately if you just give us an idea of how exchange rates compare to commercial rates and any commentary just around the economic implications in your markets would be helpful as well. Thank you.

Wayne Smith

Analyst

So, normally we don't comment on specific markets, when it's all said and done. But in these estimates, what you see is that the number of states are opening up at different times. So, you are having different rates of recovery because of the fact that, you've got, I think we have nine markets that are, that are open or will be open by the end of the week. And so you're going to see a different ratio in terms of how this is working on Kevin or Tim, you want to add to it?

Tim Hingtgen

Analyst

I might add a little bit to that. In terms of across the portfolio, have we seen differences, not broad differences. Let me answer it that way, but what it did do, is it's certainly highlighted where we're really, really strong on partnering with doctors on, who's choosing us for elective care, some of those stronger markets did perhaps have a little bit more of a volume degradation because of the high elective business that we pulled through those markets. But for the most part, if you look at it by a region or a market a network perspective, it all balanced out pretty consistently. And I think that plays out with what you're hearing in public hospital surveys, in terms of volume hits and from what's been reported publicly so far by our peers. Really, really consistent bands.

Lynn Simon

Analyst

Yes. The only other thing I would add to it the medical staff and the communities, this is across the country, not just our hospitals. They are all eager to get started and are ready to go back to work and they're going to make sure that they do everything, that we did everything appropriately and they do everything appropriately in terms of those patients. So, that's a very positive thing in terms of restart, Kevin, you got some thing

Kevin Hammons

Analyst

I think the one thing in terms of the question regarding the margin or the payer mix and those types of things. Obviously if we're going to be watchful of any changes in employment trends in our markets, so we certainly have a keen eye on that as well.

Wayne Smith

Analyst

Yes, the managed care companies have so much money. We're hopeful for rate increase here.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Gary Taylor from JP Morgan.

Gary Taylor

Analyst

Good morning. That will be Gary today. Two quick questions. If I could actually, the first is on the seven definitive agreements. It sounds like none of those have closed yet and given the pandemic, I guess if there was ever an opportunity for someone to call Mac in the contract, this might represent it. So just confidence level that, that those will actually close. And then the second one I mean, you guys sound a little more bullish about sort of the rate of reopening and recovery than some peers and I, and probably every day that goes by is helpful in terms of gaining that confidence. But J&J, I think it kind of sets sort of market expectations for even the third quarter still being down 20% to 50% and the fourth quarter being up zero to 15%. So just wondering, does that sound too bearish to you, too bullish if you'd just kind of comment on sort of what's out there in terms of some people's expectations.

Wayne Smith

Analyst

So let, let me start Gary with the question on the divestitures. So as you've seen, a number of these deals, we had one signed last week, two signed this week. We've been working closely with the buyers, much of these negotiations have gone on during this pandemic period. Everyone is well aware of kind of the current situations with those markets. And we're very comfortable that those are going to be completed. And I think we did really exceptional work kind of getting through those deals, maintaining those multiples in that 10 to 11 times EBITDA. And we're, again, we're confident that just all that's really left is some final regulatory approvals to get those across the finish line that the deals are signed.

Lynn Simon

Analyst

So Gary, in terms of trying to predict how, rapid or how quickly all this would recover, it's almost impossible because every state and every market is different. And you have some, certainly some various – I mean, when you use it is kind of global predictions, I would assume they include markets like New York, California some of the other big markets that have substantial issues that are going to be very light in terms of returning. So, I'd say that it would be very difficult, but if we were to go market-by-market we're beginning to see good indications in our markets in terms of recovery. But it's way too early for us to make any predictions. Tim, you want to add to it?

Tim Hingtgen

Analyst

Yes, I think I would say we're guarded but optimistic as you pointed out, Gary. Every day we get a little bit more confident with reports that are coming in from markets that are in the early phases of reopening. In terms of the types of care, however, I'd like to refer back to Lynn's comment that we aren't seeing a lot of inpatient, heavy duty surgeries taking place yet. This is largely ambulatory surgery, which is a very good book of business for us. Don't get me wrong, but at this point, a lot of states aren't necessarily ready to release those types of services to take place in our hospitals. We're also mindful of our inventories of PPE, our lab testing capabilities, so we kind of have to balance that out with each state's regulations. But for the most part, again, no one has a crystal ball here, but very, very, confident that we can get that outpatient business back up and running a little bit quicker than perhaps we initially thought even a week ago.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Kevin Fischbeck from Bank of America.

Kevin Fischbeck

Analyst

Great. Thanks. I guess one of the questions that we kind of wrestle with is kind of what the hospital nutrition would look like post COVID. It sounds like we're going to be in a recession for some time period. Obviously, the 2020 baseline is going to be, somewhat disruptive, but if you had a normalized 2020, how do you think about Community's ability to grow during a recession, should we expect you to be able to grow EBITDA during recessions? Or is that going to be difficult and if it's, if you can grow what are kind of the offsets to volume pressure and payer mix. Thanks.

Kevin Hammons

Analyst

One thing I'd just point to is I think maybe a little bit different than where the company was positioned say back in 2008 coming out of that recession is with the divestiture program. Our portfolio is much stronger. We're in a markets with much better demographics. And so I think we're positioned quite well to continue to grow. There's also the thought that maybe after this pandemic there's a population move out of the more urban areas towards the more suburban and rural areas, which we would be positioned to benefit from, if that occurs over the next few years.

Wayne Smith

Analyst

Yes. The other sort of unpredictable issue here is unemployment, and a number of people will be uninsured kind of going forward. And once we get a better handle on that in the next few months, it will be a little easier to determine that. But I would think that as Kevin said, we're probably about as well positioned, as we ever have been in terms of opportunities to grow going forward.

Tim Hingtgen

Analyst

I'll tag onto that. I think going back to 2008 and contrasting it to today and all the work that we put in over the last several years of transitioning the portfolio, we've also really grown our ambulatory access point footprint as more care migrates to the outpatient side of things. I believe we're very well positioned in that space. We talked a lot today about our intent focus and partnering with doctors and working to be preferred in our communities because we do have the right focus, consistent application of all of our resources with those doctors to accelerate care and to enhance care in each one of our markets. I think that's very important for us coming out of this, but also well into the future.

Operator

Operator

And due to time, our last question is from Whit Mayo from UBS.

Whit Mayo

Analyst

Thanks. Just had a quick one here. Can we get the actual dollar amount from the sequester, the payroll tax and how much your capital spending plans have changed for the balance of the year? Thanks.

Kevin Hammons

Analyst

Sure. And I think the dollar amounts are on Slide 14 in our deck. So on this sequester, although that is a time perspective the amount we actually will get will be perspective based on Medicare volume. If you base it on last year's run rate, it would have been about $40 million on the employer payroll tax deferral. That should benefit us from a cash flow standpoint about $160 million over the remainder of this year. Then half of that will be paid back in December 2021 and half of it in December of 2022.

Operator

Operator

And I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Smith for closing comments.

Wayne Smith

Analyst

Thank you again for spending time with us today. I want to express again how deeply grateful we are to all of our employees, physicians, medical staff, regional presidents, hospital leadership teams, hospital support teams, corporate support teams who have been at the forefront of combating this global pandemic. We're encouraged and strengthened by the dedication and tireless efforts of all these true healthcare heroes who remained diligent in fighting this pandemic. And we continue to support their efforts as we look forward to recovery. This concludes our call for today. We'll look forward to updating you on all of our progress later in the year. And once again, if you have any questions, you can always reach us at area code 615-465-7000.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.