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CVR Energy, Inc. (CVI)

Q4 2008 Earnings Call· Wed, Mar 11, 2009

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the CVR Energy year-end 2008 conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. (Operator instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Stirling Pack, Vice President of Investor Relations for CVR Energy. Thank you. Mr. Pack, you may begin.

Stirling Pack

President

Thank you, Shay. And good morning, everyone. We appreciate very much your being on this conference call this morning to discuss our results. Prior to that discussion of our 2008 annual and fourth quarter results, we are required to make the following Safe Harbor statement. In accordance with federal securities laws, the statements in this earnings call relating to matters that are not historical facts are forward-looking statements based on management's belief and assumptions using currently available information and expectations as of this date and are not guarantees of future performance and do involve certain risks and uncertainties, including those filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. This presentation includes various non-GAAP financial measures. The disclosures related to such non-GAAP measures required by Regulation G can be located on our website at www.cvrenergy.com or on our earnings release, which we filed earlier this morning. First we'll hear from Mr. Jack Lipinski, our Chief Executive Officer. Jack?

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

Stirling, thank you. And thank you all for joining us this morning for our fourth quarter and year-end 2008 earnings conference call. I’ll start by briefly giving my perspective on the current operating environment in our refining and nitrogen fertilizer businesses. Then I will summarize some of our key strategies that we focus on to take advantage of the current market conditions. Following my remarks, Tim Rens, our CFO, will review our financial results and provide additional context to today’s earnings release. Stan Riemann, our Chief Operating Officer, will then report on our operations. Let me begin with our petroleum businesses. Refining industry as a whole continues to experience price and margin volatility with regional economics varying widely. Our refining economics in January and February of this quarter have benefited from relatively lower price WTI crude, coupled with strong cash refining margins in our area. Our Group 3 product basis differentials have been seasonally negative. But in aggregate, the contango crude market has more than offset this condition. We expect the contango market to adjust to more normal conditions over time. All of this said, we benefited from these recent markets. As a reminder, we leased 2.7 million barrels of crude storage in Cushing, Oklahoma. This represents approximately 6% of the total crude oil storage located there. Cushing is a major trading and pricing hub for WTI crude. As a result of our storage capability, we have been able to take advantage of the contango market and lock in the differentials through derivatives. 2008 marked an important year for CVR, in which several legacy issues are now seen receiving in our rearview mirror. These include a long-term cash flow swap that is required under the lender agreement at the time of the initial acquisition, significant capital expenditures that were needed…

Tim Rens

CFO

Thank you, Jack. I’m going to recap our annual results and then discuss in more detail our fourth quarter financials and our balance sheet. As stated in our press release, we reported consolidated net income of $163.9 million or $1.90 per fully diluted share for the full-year 2008 versus a loss of $67.9 million or $0.78 per fully diluted share for the full-year 2007. Net income adjusted for the annualized impact for the cash flow swap, share-based compensation, and a goodwill impairment charge for the full-year 2008 was $21.6 million or $0.25 per adjusted fully diluted share compared to adjusted net income for the full year 2007 of $31.2 million or an adjusted pro forma income of $0.36 per fully diluted share. Our adjusted net income results for 2008 and the comparable period in 2007 were impacted by our FIFO inventory accounting method. For the year 2008 our FIFO loss was $102.5 million compared to a gain in 2007 of $69.9 million. We have also not adjusted net income for realized losses on the cash flow swap of $110.4 million and $157.2 million in 2008 and 2007 respectively. As Jack mentioned, our exposure to the swap drop significantly at the end of 2009 and falls away completely – at the end of June 2009 and falls away completely at the end of June 2010. Our fourth quarter and annual petroleum segment results for 2008 were impacted by a $42.8 million goodwill impairment, which has already been adjusted out in determination of adjusted net income. In addition, we experienced $10 million in expense associated with amending our credit agreement. For the quarter ended December 31, 2008, we reported net income of $11.1 million or $0.13 per fully diluted share compared to a net loss of $24.5 million or $0.28 per fully…

Stan Riemann

COO

Thank you, Tim. In an effort to provide some additional context for our reported financial results, I would now like to review key operating metrics of the nitrogen fertilizer business as well as our petroleum business. In our fertilizer business, it is important in understanding reported results and forecasting future expected earnings that we do sell forward our urea ammonium nitrate solutions or UAN production. This is reflected in our fertilizer order book. Realized prices in any given quarter reflect both stock prices and historical contracts. For example, the first quarter of 2009 reflects the stronger prices experienced last year combined with the current prices in orders. Our current order book for UAN is approximately 90,000 tons at an average price of just over $380 per ton. Since year-end, ammonia prices have rebounded off their lows, but are still currently weighted to industrial as opposed to agricultural demand. We are, however, seeing and expect to see further price strengthening as agricultural applications begin. As you know, agricultural ammonia commends a price premium over industrial ammonia sales prices. We have completed a scheduled turnaround of our fertilizer plant in October 2008. Production of (inaudible) is now in excess of 85 million standard cubic feet a day, which is a substantial improvement over pre-turnaround rates. High on-stream times have also allowed us to increase production since the turnaround and our key operating statistics in our fixed-cost fertilizer operation. Our on-stream times in recent months for gas fire have been nearly 100%. Hydrogen from the gas fires in further process to form ammonia and later UAN. Again, on-stream factors for these units reflect a primary measure of utilization in these operations. Reviewing these metrics for comparison purposes, on-stream factors adjusted for the turnaround for the full year 2008 were gasification 91.7%, ammonia 90.2%,…

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, both Stan and Tim. As a team, we are focused on operational excellence. This goes not only to how we run our hardware, but how we buy and manage our crude and feedstocks, how we market our products, and how we react to market opportunities. We are clearly a stronger company today than we have been in the past. We believe if we do our jobs better everyday, the results will show up on our bottom line. We thank you all for joining us today. And I’ll now turn the call back to Stirling who will start the Q&A.

Stirling Pack

President

Thank you very much, gentlemen. Shay, we are prepared at this point to take questions. And so we will just turn it back over to you and take them as they come.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator instructions) Our first question comes from Jeff Dietert from Simmons & Company. Jeff Dietert – Simmons & Company: Good morning. Jeff Dietert with Simmons & Company.

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

Good morning, Jeff. Jeff Dietert – Simmons & Company: I was wondering if you could provide some information. On the third quarter you had almost $340 million of swap payable on the balance sheet. Could you give us an update as to what that looks like at the end of the fourth Q?

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

Tim, I’ll let you tell –

Tim Rens

CFO

Yes. Jeff, at the end of the quarter, the mark is a liability of approximately 30 – $38 million, and that includes approximately $2.6 million from the fourth quarter. Jeff Dietert – Simmons & Company: Okay. And so that liability has gone down substantially. And was that marked at 12/31?

Tim Rens

CFO

Yes. Jeff Dietert – Simmons & Company: Okay. And if you were to mark it today –?

Tim Rens

CFO

Well, obviously there is a lot of volatility. I did not mark it this morning, but clearly it’s improved from that particular mark. Jeff Dietert – Simmons & Company: Yes. So that liability is potentially going to be an asset –

Tim Rens

CFO

That’s right. And when you look at today’s forward strip, obviously again it moves every day. And clearly there has been a lot of volatility in the market. But based on the forward strip today, that’s right, it would be in the money. Jeff Dietert – Simmons & Company: Good. And Jack, you’ve talked previously about having some flexibility on those swaps. What’s your current view? Do you plan to hold on to those cash flow swaps or would you consider monetizing were they to become an asset at some point?

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

Under our credit agreement, we have certain limitations about how much of this we can take or not take, just with our recent amendment. The volatility in the marketplace is – I'm not sure I’m smarter than the market if I'm looking at a chart here, we put together over the last four months, as the back strip rolls off, it has been rising in the front line. If you look at January and February, three months ago, it was never at the levels that we actually experienced in January and February, for two reasons. One, I’m not smart enough to know whether or not I should take it off; second, (inaudible) under our credit agreement.

Tim Rens

CFO

Jack is exactly right, Jeff. We cannot change the position under the terms of our credit agreement. Jeff Dietert – Simmons & Company: Okay. And question for Stan, on the fertilizer book, could you talk about what prices you are seeing for UAN and what prices you are locking in and what periods you are locking them in for?

Stan Riemann

COO

At this time, Jeff, we are really not locking in any forward price. We are taking prompt orders because we’re getting into our spring business. So most of the product is either being pulled that was previously contracted or going directly on the ground. But to answer your question on ammonia prices, the agricultural demand last week has been going out in the $350 range – $350 a ton range and UAN was going out in the $220 to $230 range. And those numbers have been creeping up as we get closer to the spring season. Jeff Dietert – Simmons & Company: Very good. Thanks for your comments, guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Vance Shaw - Credit Suisse Group. Please pose your question. Vance Shaw – Credit Suisse Group: Hi. Yes, good morning. Credit Suisse on the buy side. Well, thanks for answering one question actually. The cash flow is so low because you guys have basically totally paid off of the J. Aron liability, which is great.

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

Thank you. Again, our focus is balance sheet related. Anything we could do to clean up our balance sheet, strengthen it or just even look forward to building a little cushion, never know where the market is going to go. We’d rather be sitting on something than looking for something. Vance Shaw – Credit Suisse Group: Sure. I think Tim might have given the number, but you sort of broke up a little bit. Can you tell us what the term loan balance was as of the end of December and also what the draw on the revolver was as of the end of December?

Tim Rens

CFO

Yes. Actually at the end of December there was no net draw on the revolver. Vance Shaw – Credit Suisse Group: Okay. And – but you just saw LCs against that are probably rough.

Tim Rens

CFO

About $34 million of LCs left with about $116 million of total capacity. And our outstanding debt on the term loan at the end of the year was $483 million. Vance Shaw – Credit Suisse Group: Okay, thanks. In terms of the swap, it looks like for Q4 I guess the 211 crack was 782. So you guys have paid in Q4 under the swap –

Tim Rens

CFO

No, we didn’t because it doesn’t mark on the last day. Right? It would be the average value that the 211 was over the entire fourth quarter. So we actually paid about $2.6 million. Vance Shaw – Credit Suisse Group: Okay, I understand. I thought you had given the averages in the press release. I understand. Okay, thanks on that. Do you guys have a – I know you changed your EBITDA calculation to sort of knock out FIFO effects. Do you guys have a number for what you think EBITDA was under the new covenants for Q4 and also for the full year?

Tim Rens

CFO

We actually do publish the credit EBITDA for the full year under the new – I don’t have that in front of me right now. I will get that for you and respond here in just a little bit. If we want to move on, I’ll come back to that question. Vance Shaw – Credit Suisse Group: Okay, sure. I’ll just ask another real quick one. Any capitalized interest in the quarter?

Tim Rens

CFO

No. No material capitalized interest with the conclusion of all the large projects. Vance Shaw – Credit Suisse Group: Okay, cool. And I guess the final – just a final couple questions. One is, on the swap going forward, there is no requirement in the credit agreement that you need to be a certain percentage hedged.

Tim Rens

CFO

No, the agreement really comes from our – that we cannot amend material agreements, and the swap is a material agreement. So right now, I mean, the conclusion is under the credit agreement, given our current leverage ratio that we are not free to move substantially our hedge volume. We can respond to market conditions or plant-related conditions such that if we felt like the production is going to be down for some reason, we could make a position to not have the swap on against a position that we won’t generate in physical production. But we cannot just remove the swap right now as the market calls. Vance Shaw – Credit Suisse Group: No, I understand, Tim. But when this rolls off middle of 2010, you guys don’t have to have any hedges in place to –

Tim Rens

CFO

No, absolutely no. Beyond the current amounts that are on our swap agreement, there is no additional obligation. Vance Shaw – Credit Suisse Group: Got you. And just another sort of an obvious question, but – I guess Goldman and Kelso are looking to sell quite a bit of the stock of CVR. There is no proceeds coming –

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

I’m sorry, could you –

Tim Rens

CFO

I missed that question. Vance Shaw – Credit Suisse Group: I’m sorry. Are there any proceeds coming to the company from the Kelso and Goldman sale? In other words, is the company selling some equity as well or is it just Kelso and Goldman? I think that’s S-3 and S-4 [ph] –

Tim Rens

CFO

Right now, the shelf was basically filed. But there are no immediate plans to sell any shares. And the way their S-3 is constructed, it would give us the right to sell our primary offering or raise debt. Or on the converse, it would allow our shareholders to sell shares and those proceeds would not come into CVR Energy. Vance Shaw – Credit Suisse Group: Okay. So it could go either – so it could go either way, but you seem to be saying that there is nothing –

Tim Rens

CFO

There is nothing imminent. The opportunity past the one year market, which we could issue the shelf registration and it’s a fairly broad document that gives a lot of different opportunity. But there is nothing imminent. Vance Shaw – Credit Suisse Group: I understand. It’s just a renewal then.

Tim Rens

CFO

Yes. Vance Shaw – Credit Suisse Group: Okay. Thank you very much, guys. Appreciate it.

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

It’s basically as to how extreme as you could get giving the company as much flexibility as it may need in the future. Vance Shaw – Credit Suisse Group: Got you. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Saw Ingle [ph] from Semaphore Management. Paul Carpenter – Semaphore Management: Good morning. It’s actually Paul Carpenter asking the question. Just a couple questions if I could. Do you have a capital spending number in mind for 2009? And if you could, could you break it out as to how much might be expense and run through the income statement and how much would not be or just be normal CapEx running up on the cash flow statement?

Tim Rens

CFO

Yes. The CapEx number that we are managing here in 2009 is approximately $92 million. Paul Carpenter – Semaphore Management: And that’s all going to hit the cash flow statement, that’s not including what might be run through the income statement as maintenance?

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

Our maintenance is – I mean, we budget for maintenance, but there would be nothing extraordinary in quarter-to-quarter maintenance.

Tim Rens

CFO

Yes. And there is really – if you are trying to look at the way we disclose it, there is no turnaround right now scheduled for 2009, which is kind of in some of our liquidity tables as capital and rolls through the income statement. And there is no material turnaround scheduled for 2009. Paul Carpenter – Semaphore Management: Okay. And to that end, would you mind giving a little more clarity in terms of hard numbers and what you might expect going forward on a quarterly basis for SG&A and refinery OpEx and fertilizer OpEx, because some of the numbers at least for the fourth quarter, you have reversals of share comp, you have some of these tax issues, which are somewhat one-off in nature? Any more clarity that you give or a sort of normalized number for those three? I understand that the OpEx will – there are some issues that are out of plan and control, but there is such a large number of unusual items in the more recent data, let alone having to deal with the flood from ‘07 that it’s hard to get a consistent handle on what it might look like going forward.

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

Well, Tim, in his discussion, our SG&A has run rate of approximately $15 million a quarter. The refinery operating cost is normally about $4 a barrel. And the fertilizer operations, including feedstock, is somewhere in the range of approximately $85 million a year. And if you want – I mean, that is the range. If you look at the refinery operating expense over time, you see that number go up. Our refinery went from a low-90s – 90,000 barrel a day plant with a low 10 complexity to 115,000 barrels a day with a 12.1 complexity. And when you actually do the calculation on dollars operating cost per complexity barrel, even in an environment of rising cost, we’ve held our cost constant or actually slightly dropped them. And the fertilizer operation is always within a few million dollars a year of that mid $80 million a year.

Stan Riemann

COO

High 70s, low 80s.

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

High 70s, low 80s. I hope that’s helpful. Paul Carpenter – Semaphore Management: It does help. Maybe I didn't ask the question in the best way possible. I understand that the feedstock side cost may vary, and refinery OpEx you have to pay to run the plant and the price you might have to pay to run the plant could change based on the price of fuel. So I guess the way I was – what I was looking for is a little more clarity just on what is labor, what is maintenance, what are the more solvable inputs, knowing that some of those other inputs are going to fluctuate and are beyond your control.

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

You know, I would suggest that – we sincerely don't have this just handy at our fingertips right now, but we do have that information. It probably would be worthwhile to touch base with Investor Relations and talk that through or with Tim. Paul Carpenter – Semaphore Management: Okay, thank you.

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

I’m sorry. It’s just we weren’t prepared for that detail right here.

Operator

Operator

Have your questions been answered? Paul Carpenter – Semaphore Management: Yes, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator instructions) Our next question is coming from Jon Evans [ph] from Wells Capital Management. Jon Evans – Wells Capital Management: Could you just talk a little bit about maybe your thought process on nitrogen and urea and ammonia? You sound like you are bullish for the spring season. Can you give some insights, maybe what you are seeing in the marketplace? Is the market tight? And maybe a little bit from the standpoint of demand and how much you think you can be able to capitalize and produce?

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

Stan?

Stan Riemann

COO

Well, I'll start with demand. We think demand is going to be very good. We are looking at roughly 86 million acres of corn. And keep in mind, we ship right to the heart of the Cornbelt. Whether corn acres go up or go down really doesn’t affect our market. Our market hasn’t changed that much. So, not that we are not affected by the variable acre, but the demand will be pretty consistent. We are bullish on the fertilizer prices. I guess I’d have to tell you. They are not going to be of a historical blowout type numbers that we saw in the summer and fall of last year, but the numbers we see in our ’07 and higher type numbers. And quite frankly, in our area on nitrogen, and I’m not speaking to phosphate or potash, but on nitrogen, we just have not seen producers cut back on the wheat or on the corn. They seem to be going after it with, as you would expect them to, to get bushels off the acres. So, yes, you're reading this right. We're feeling good about business on the nitrogen side. Jon Evans – Wells Capital Management: There is a couple analysts that believe potentially that there is not going to be maybe enough nitrogen et cetera in those products out there because imports aren’t going to land here in time. I’m curious to get your thoughts on – can you just give us any kind of sense of what kind of inventory you see at the distribution channel? And do you think that is a probability?

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

I wouldn’t say it’s a probability. It’s a possibility. I think the inventories on liquid nitrogen are pretty much in place for the spring season and obviously they will have to be replenished, which will be the challenge. I think the anhydrous ammonia is pretty much in place. I think urea may be somewhat lacking, which is what you're picking up on imports. There could very well be some logistical problems in getting product to the market. There is enough to get started, but at 86 million acres of corn, the last part of the planting season and fertilizer season could very well get interesting. Jon Evans – Wells Capital Management: Okay. And then just a follow-up – two more follow-ups to that. Since they skipped the fall application, do they have to put down more than normal in the spring? And then the other question relative to that is, do you expect the fall application this year to be pretty robust since they skipped the fall in ’08?

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

Well, in some areas they did have a good application. We had a pretty good movement into the Illinois market. I think Nebraska, Iowa market application was down somewhat. In terms of application rate, no. The applications rates for the spring would be the same as if they had put it down in the fall. So I don’t look at the application rate changing fall versus spring. The outlook for fall this year is really dependent on weather. If the weather allows, they will certainly do fall application where appropriate, but they are always limited by the timing of getting the harvest out and the reliability of weather to allow you to do so. So, ask me that question next October and I’ll try a little smarter, but it’s little hard to predict it. Jon Evans – Wells Capital Management: Okay. And then just a last question. I mean, basically your plant – are you running full out right now kind of?

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

We are. We are and have been. Jon Evans – Wells Capital Management: Okay.

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

Ever since the turnaround, we’ve had very, very good on-stream turns. Jon Evans – Wells Capital Management: Got it. And I guess when did the turnaround end?

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

October. Jon Evans – Wells Capital Management: October. Fantastic. Okay, thank you for your time.

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Wayne Brown [ph] who is a private investor.

Wayne Brown

Analyst

Good morning, gentlemen.

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

Good morning.

Wayne Brown

Analyst

I wanted to find out from you, now that you have a couple of months of the first quarter already under your belt, whether you can give some color as to the crack spreads that you’ve been enjoying as compared to possibly the fourth quarter, as well as looking forward as far as percentages above normal that you have been counting inventory now taking advantage of the contango situation.

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

Okay. Well, as far as crack, January and February were reasonably exceptional and some of that was tied directly to what people term the super contango in the market. I’d probably go a little bit afield, but it bears some explanation. WTI effectively became the lowest price crude on the planet to be crude as a marker. The rest of the world’s crude such as plant or even Gulf Coast sweets and sours were trading significantly over WTI. What that meant is that crack spreads tended to follow the contango. When contango rose, the crack spreads rose, because if someone say was running Louisiana light sweet crude at $7 a barrel over WTI, the crack had to expand literally to make it reasonable to run. So what happened is, in January and February the cracks were very robust. We’ve seen a dramatic fall-off – I don’t want to use the word dramatic because on a historical perspective they are still good. But they have dropped back into the $7 range as contango has left the front to back this morning. It was about $1.25. We had seen numbers front to back. So it’s $4, $5, $6, $7. Even at $1.25, historically this is a pretty steep contango and it still pays us to carry some volume. Now, the thing we measure on cracks and not a lot of our peers and not all analysts do is we look at cracks as a percentage of crude. We basically take NYMEX 211 and relate it to WTI. For decades on an annual average, the crack spread would range somewhere between 17% and 20% of crude 95% or 96% of the time. So if you were to say you had $44 crude this morning, you would say you should have about an $8 crack – little over an $8 crack. However, seasonally this is the off-season. This isn’t a high season. So if you look back, these cracks that we are seeing today, in historical perspective, we would have been thrilled with. Now, we do see seasonal adjustments due to our locations. The group tends to have lower relative prices to the NYMEX in the winter time and higher during the summer on an annual average. That’s a positive number to both Gulf and East Coast. But at this time of year, it’s offset by that. To answer your question about contango, we do store and bring on our crude through our crude intermediation agreement. We also have crude in our gathering system and in refinery tankage. Rough numbers we're carrying something immediately liquidateable [ph] of about 400,000 to 500,000 barrels of crude.

Wayne Brown

Analyst

What is your capacity if you were to have 100% storage?

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

We have a little – approximately 3.6 million barrels total storage of crude. 2.7 million of that is in Cushing, Oklahoma. But we do use a portion of that not for storage, but for throughput. We bring in all the various crudes we run, including Canadian crude, Gulf Coast sours. You name it, we can take crude just about from anywhere in the world. So a portion of that is used for blending and throughput.

Wayne Brown

Analyst

And also – so you’ve been taking advantage of the Cushing pricing primarily for your light sweet then, right?

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

That is correct. We have actually focused because of the contango spread and the ability to effectively lock it up in derivatives. If you were to look at the gravity and the sulfur of the crude slate we're running in the first quarter, it is lighter and it is sweeter than we’ve run before.

Wayne Brown

Analyst

I was just curious as far as ’09 – you know, first quarter guidance, you didn’t have anything in writing in the press release.

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

We generally – we will give operating statistics. We generally don’t give guidance on earnings per share.

Wayne Brown

Analyst

Okay. I appreciate your help. Thank you very much.

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we have no further questions. I’d like to turn the call back over to Mr. Pack for any closing remarks.

Tim Rens

CFO

Yes. Stirling, I would like to circle back to one question that I left open. And our credit agreement EBITDA for the year was $281.1 million. That included the FIFO adjustment of $102.5 million. We do no longer calculate the credit agreement EBITDA on a quarterly basis because of the mechanics of calculating the FIFO adjustment. We now only calculate it on an LTM basis. LTM ending December 31 or the annual 2008 number was $281.1 million.

Stirling Pack

President

Thank you very much, Tim. Thank you, everyone, for being on this call. Jack, anything do you want to say or should we go ahead and close the call?

Jack Lipinski

Chief Executive Officer

No, thank you. Thank you all for joining us. Look forward to talking to you when we report our first quarter earnings.

Stirling Pack

President

Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you, Shay. And we appreciate everyone being on the call. I’ll speak with you soon.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.