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Q2 2014 Earnings Call· Mon, May 12, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to Cubic Corporation's Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2014 Earnings Conference Call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Diane Dyer, Director of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Diane Dyer

Management

Thank you, Operator. Good afternoon. Welcome to Cubic’s Second quarter Fiscal Year 2014 Earnings Conference Call. We have two speakers today, William Boyle, Cubic’s CEO; and John Thomas, Cubic's CFO who will review the fiscal 2014 second quarter and first half financial results and operational highlights that we announced this afternoon. After our prepared remarks, our executive team will be happy to take your questions. By now, you should have a copy of our earnings press release. If you need a copy of the press release, you can go to www.cubic.com under the Investor Relations tab to find an electronic copy. We encourage everyone to read today's press release and refer to our most recent reports on Form 10-Q and Form 10-K. For anyone who has not seen a copy of these documents, they're available on Cubic Corporation's website and on the SEC's website. Now I'll turn the call over to Jim Edwards, Cubic's Senior Vice President and General Counsel, for the Safe Harbor disclosure.

James Edwards

Management

Thank you, Diane. Please note that certain information discussed on the call today is covered under the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. I caution listeners that during this call, Cubic management will be making forward-looking statements about future events or Cubic's future financial and operating performance. Actual results could differ materially from those stated or implied by these forward-looking statements due to risks and uncertainties associated with the company's business. These forward-looking statements should be considered in conjunction with and are qualified by the cautionary statements contained in Cubic's earnings press release and SEC filings, including its annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. This conference call contains time-sensitive information that is accurate only as of the date of this broadcast, May 12, 2014. Cubic undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of this conference call. This conference call will also include non-GAAP financial measures as that term is defined in Regulation G. Cubic believes this information is useful to investors because it provides a basis for measuring the company's available capital resources, the actual and forecasted operating performance of the company's business and the company's cash flow. A reconciliation between the GAAP financial measures that correspond to these non-GAAP financial measures is contained in our earnings press release and our amended SEC Form 10-K report for the fiscal year ended September 30, 2013. Any discussion of non-GAAP measures is not intended to detract from the importance of comparable GAAP measures. With that said, let me turn the call over to Bill Boyle, our Chief Executive Officer.

William Boyle

Management

Thanks, Jim. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. I have just a few points to make before turning the call over to John Thomas. First, in today’s restatement of our financial results, simply put, Cubic’s net worth increased by $12.2 million to the end of fiscal 2013. Our Vice President of Accounting, Paul Ketchum is here to answer any questions you may have regarding the restatement during the Q&A period. As we had mentioned on our last earnings call, we expect to start this year slow and the first half results turned out to be lower than we anticipated. Sales for the first half of 2014 were $661.6 million, being about $25 million lower than street expectations and EPS of $0.91 being about $0.25 lower than street expectations. Jay will cover this in much more detail but the main reason for the sales shortfall was in Mission Support Services which overall was impacted by lower U.S government spending. The main reason for the earnings shortfall was in transportation systems due primarily to additional startup service costs on our contract in Chicago. Defense systems improved substantially in the first half. So even with Mission Support Services being down, our total defense income, including CDS and MSS nearly doubled from last year with combined operating income of $17.1 million versus $9.3 million last year. In spite of the first year being below our expectation, after a further review of our business units, we feel that transportation will regain its momentum and the second half will be much better, particularly in the fourth quarter. Therefore we are holding to our guidance previously given for the year. Finally, as you probably know by now, I’ll be stepping down as CEO in July and Bradley Feldmann will take that role. Brad, currently our president and Chief operating officer is with us today and will be available to participate in the Q&A session. With that I'd like to turn to Jay Thomas, our CFO, for a more in depth discussion of the first half.

John Thomas

CFO

Thanks, Bill. I’ll start by discussing our consolidated highlights for the first half of fiscal year 2014. After that I’ll review our segment level results and give some color as to what’s happening in each of our businesses. On a consolidated basis, net sales for the six months ended March 31, were $651.6 million this year compared to $683.4 million in the comparable period last (inaudible) million for the comparable period last year. Overall, our organic sales decreased primarily because of reduced activity in our Mission Support Services segment and a decrease in design build activity and transportation systems. Adjusted EBITDA was $49.2 million for the first half of 2014 compared $69.5 million last year. As Bill mentioned, the most significant contributor to the decline were costs incurred on our Chicago contract and our transportation segment. I’ll discuss this in more detail when we cover the segment results. Operating income was $34 million in the first half compared to $57.9 million last year, a decrease of 41%. Again the major reasons for the decline in operating income this year is attributable to the Chicago contract and due to $5.9 million of operating losses related to six acquisitions that we made during the last two years. As we have discussed on previous calls, acquisitions tend to be dilutive during the first two years due to transaction integration and compensation related arrangements of the acquired companies. Net income attributable to Cubic was $24.5 million or $0.91 on a fully diluted basis for the first half compared to $43.9 million or a $0.64 last year, a 44% decrease. Consolidated total backlog was virtually unchanged at $2.67 billion as of March 31, compared to $2.65 billion as of September 30. Now I’ll transition to segment operating results. Cubic Transportation Systems or CTS sales increased…

William Boyle

Management

Thanks, Jay. To summarize very briefly, MSS continues to compete in a very difficult environment with top margin conditions, although we are encouraged by the current strong level of bidding proposal activity. Compared to last year, Defense Systems is doing very well both in new bookings as well as profitability. So overall our total defense business is doing better this year. Our transportation business had a rough first half and while there are a lot of balls in the air, we expect them to do much better in the second half. Now why don’t we proceed directly to the Q&A session? Although I should mention first that in addition to Brad Feldmann and Paul Ketchum, we also have Steve Shewmaker, President of CTS and Matt Cole, our Executive Vice President, here to participate on the Q&A session. Operator?

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Our first question is coming from Julian Mitchell of Crédit Suisse. Please proceed with your question. Julian Mitchell – Crédit Suisse : I just wanted to follow up on the notion of a recovery in earnings in transportation in the second half. I guess you did about $20 million of EBIT in the first half and a year ago in the first half you did about $50 million. So I guess how should we think about the second half of this year vis-à-vis those two numbers when you are talking about a recovery? And also I guess for Brad and for Steve, when you are looking sort of further out in transportation systems, are there any changes in process or the way of evaluating the project to try and reduce the risks of these negative shocks like we had in the first half or is it just part of the cost of doing business in this market? Thank you.

John Thomas

CFO

Julian, Jay Thomas. So we will see or I should say we are expecting that we are going to have a strong second half just because you have two projects that started services and the revenues ramp up. So that’s really where in the first half as we said in Chicago we had $26 million of cost. So we’ll see a definite improvement in Chicago and Sydney for the second half.

William Boyle

Management

Anything to add?

Stephen Shewmaker

Analyst · The Benchmark Company

Yeah. This is Steve Shewmaker. How are you? In terms of -- this was not unexpected. We have -- rolling out three major projects in three different parts of the world, you expect a little trauma. So it wasn’t unexpected. However, your point is taken. We are putting together a plan to ensure that going forward we have three major projects at the same time that we have enough in place processes in place to manage all that.

John Thomas

CFO

We would expect improvement in the future. Julian Mitchell – Crédit Suisse: Okay, thanks. And then just secondly within MSS, what can be done in terms of I guess extra restructuring or some kind of accelerated, cost out in that business. You undertook a -- what appears to have been a very successful restructuring effort in defense last year. I wonder in Mission Support what kind of -- I realize that this is probably a different business model, but what restructuring efforts can you do to try and get the earnings well above the breakeven run rate?

Bradley Feldmann

Analyst

We already have -- this is Brad Feldmann. We already have reduced the number of operating divisions from eight to five and we reduced overheads quite a bit. I would expect that earnings in the future will increase slightly as we continue to win contracts. In the low priced technically acceptable environment it’s quite challenging, but I think we’ve seen some recent success. As Bill and Jay mentioned, we are bidding a lot and I would expect it to continue to improve.

Operator

Operator

: Patrick McCarthy – FBR Capital Markets: My first question is on the CDS business. And I was wondering if you would exclude the international piece, is the domestic piece declining in line with the rest of the industry or it’s actually growing because of the LCS, [NBT] and the ground combat one that you mentioned this afternoon?

William Boyle

Management

There is a slight increase domestically, but most of our growth is coming internationally. We’ve been very fortunate to win a bunch of contracts internationally. Most notably we won a contract in the ground combat domain in Turkey. And we would expect that to continue. We put a lot of emphasis on growing internally as you know the last few years.

John Thomas

CFO

I was going to mention that the challenge I think is funding. So if you look at funding for US Army, that’s a bit of a challenge in the end market. Patrick McCarthy – FBR Capital Markets: Fair enough. Over on look at the mission systems, I guess you talked today about the increase in bid activity and just factoring the sort of cycle times that you see at that business, is it a situation where you could see a turn by the end of this year or are you still thinking that it’s more next fiscal year?

William Boyle

Management

I think a lot of these contracts will be awarded later in the fiscal year, and therefore the revenue will be next year. But I would expect you to see an uptick in backlog by the end of the fiscal year. And we’ve had some recent success there and I would expect that business to grow going forward. Patrick McCarthy – FBR Capital Markets: Okay, great. Has anything been awarded in the MSS business line that hadn’t been low cost technically acceptable?

Bradley Feldmann

Analyst

Yeah. I mean not all their contracts are going OPTA so obviously a certain percentage.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions) Our next question is coming from Jim Ricchiuti of Needham & Company. Please proceed with your question. James Ricchiuti - Needham & Company : I think you talked a little bit about the outlook for the year and I wonder if you you’d go through that again. Are you updating your guidance? I think going back you were looking for fiscal 2014 revenues of about $1.4 billion to $1.45 billion? And you also at the time I think gave it some sense as to what you could see in terms of EPS. Can you update that for us, if you would?

John Thomas

CFO

I think our guidance on sales was $1.425 million to $1.450 million. We are still holding with that and our EPS was $2.60 to $2.75 and we are still holding with that as well. James Ricchiuti - Needham & Company : So Jay, that really does assume a pretty good snapback in the second half and you’ve talked about it what you could see in transportation. How should we think of the outlook for the other two business units?

John Thomas

CFO

You’ve seen Defense had a strong first half and we did restructure the business last year. So they’re performing relatively -- I think relatively strong in the second half. MSS, I don’t expect any big improvements in terms of their profitability. If we get any kind of lift in sales as Brad mentioned, it might show up in the fourth quarter. But we’re not counting on a lot of lift from their earnings. And you also can see in Defense Systems we have increased backlog there and that generally is a backlog business. So we should see some improvement there. James Ricchiuti - Needham & Company : Got it. And just looking at a couple of the expense items, R&D, should we assume R&D over the balance of the year continuing to be at the levels in the first half?

John Thomas

CFO

It should stick at those levels. Historically we’ve been spending about 1.5% of sales, but the Intific acquisition could be a game change for Cubic because essentially what they do is funded research and a lot of it is on the same areas that we were spending our own money. So if we’re successful with Intific and we actually make fee our R&D as the percentage of sales come down essentially we’ll be recouping a portion of that is funded work that we’re doing for the government. James Ricchiuti - Needham & Company : Okay. Jay, with that, it would be more of a fiscal 2015 development?

John Thomas

CFO

Yeah. We’d probably see the impact of that in 2015. James Ricchiuti - Needham & Company : Okay. And one final question, just within the SG&A line, any unusual professional expense, anything that we should take into account as we think about expenses in the second half of the year?

John Thomas

CFO

Last year we had a fair amount because of the prior restatement. This year actually I don’t think the levels are as high as last year. So it’s nothing that we’d really called out in the Qs. So I don’t think there’s anything dramatic in those, other than the transaction related costs that we talked about on the call.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is coming from Josephine Millward of The Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question. Josephine Millward – The Benchmark Company: Hi Jay. Can you give us an update on the integration of Serco’s transportation business, the one you acquired and talk about the transportation pipeline, what does it look like? And when can we see this business return to double digit growth and double digit margins?

John Thomas

CFO

So let me -- I’ll address the margin side of that. We don’t really give specific guidance on margins, but I would say that the traditional margins PTS has been in the 12% to 13.5% on an EBITDA basis. So they should hold to those numbers through the year. As far as the integration of Serco, I’ll let Steve address that.

Stephen Shewmaker

Analyst · The Benchmark Company

Sure. Thank you. We actually call it ITMS business now and it’s -- the integration is going right to plan. We’re looking at a couple of very large opportunities in the UK and Australia for that business. I think we’re starting to realize some synergies with having that business in our industry and it fits right in with our Nextcity strategy. So it’s going very well actually. Josephine Millward – The Benchmark Company: So Steve, the opportunities you are talking about, are they more smart city, Nextcity type of opportunities or traditional automated fare ticketing one services?

Stephen Shewmaker

Analyst · The Benchmark Company

The one, for example the UK will benefit the synergy of having that new contract we hope to get the UK will dovetail nicely with our existing business in the UK and allow us to deploy our workforce more efficiently. Josephine Millward – The Benchmark Company: So do you see your pipeline improving or is it pretty steady? Because I know the sales cycle is quite long for a transportation project?

Stephen Shewmaker

Analyst · The Benchmark Company

You’re probably right there, but we’re looking at a very, very robust pipeline in the next seven, eight years.

William Boyle

Management

But one of the interesting things about the ITMS acquisition was they didn’t have a lot of significant international exposure. And so part of the integration then was to get them up and running in markets outside the UK such as Australia and over in the Middle East and then eventually at some point in time into North America.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) At this time I’d like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Boyle for any additional or closing comments.

William Boyle

Management

Okay. I guess that concludes the call then. I’d like to thank all of you for joining us today. If anybody has any further questions, please don’t hesitate to call or contact Diane Dyer, our Director of Investor Relations. So that concludes our call and we thank you for your interest in Cubic. Thank you all

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day.