Good morning and welcome to the IRET's Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to President and CEO of IRET, Mark Decker. Please go ahead.

Good morning, everyone. IRET filed its Form 10-Q for the third quarter yesterday after the market closed. Additionally, our earnings release and the supplemental disclosure package have been posted to our website at iretapartments.com and filed on Form 8-K. It's important to note that today's remarks will include our business outlook and other forward-looking statements that are based on management's current views and assumptions on our results in 2020, including views and assumptions related to the potential impact of the COVID-19 pandemic. Our quarterly report and other SEC filings list certain factors, including those related to the pandemic that could cause our actual results to be materially different than our current estimates. Please refer to our earnings release for reconciliations of any non-GAAP information, which may be discussed on today's call. Joining me this morning is Anne Olson, our Chief Operating Officer; and John Kirchmann, our CFO. I'd like to start by welcoming our team who is on the line and thank them for the incredible efforts undertaken to make every day better for our customers. 2020 has been a wild ride, but our team has done a fantastic job of providing a strong and consistent experience for our residents and we're certainly fortunate to be focused in our geography and on our customer base who are seeking a great home at a reasonable price point. Our business continues to prove resilient as we maintain occupancy and push rental rates when possible. Our primary investment markets, the Twin Cities in Denver are experiencing more volatility than the remainder of our portfolio. We expect that our thesis of Minneapolis providing stable growth and Denver providing more dramatic growth will play out as the recovery progresses with renters still seeking growing urban markets containing strong employment and amenities. Early indications show Minneapolis…

Thank you, Mark, and good morning. As the pandemic continues, its effect on our results, while not dramatic, are compounding. 72% of our portfolio leases have been priced since April 1, and during the six-month period ending September 30, new leases priced 60 basis points lower than the prior year comparable period while renewals increased 2%. Despite leasing activity being dampened by the economic downturn, during the third quarter we were able to stabilize rents an increase occupancy resulting in revenue growth of 1.1% over third quarter 2019. Our efforts optimize revenues were led by 90 basis points higher occupancy in the third quarter, compared to third quarter 2019 and our same-store weighted average occupancy for the quarter was 94.4%. One metric we track closely is revenue per unit, which incorporates rents and occupancies and our revenue per unit increased from 1088 per unit as of September 30, 2019 to 1104 per unit as of September 30 this year. While the second quarter saw a significant drop in traffic due to COVID shutdowns, our third quarter traffic was up 26% year-over-year and our strong occupancy enabled us to hold our new rents flat and achieved 60 basis points of increase on renewals in Q3. Notably we saw an increase in renewals rents in September of 1.4% and our preliminary October results indicate that stronger renewal rents may continue as we achieved 2.1% increase for the month. As with our peer companies, our results are a story of markets. As Mark mentioned, the impact of the pandemic and social unrest has hit our denser urban markets harder than the rest of the portfolio. During the third quarter, we saw new lease rates in Minneapolis and Denver decreased 7.2% and 8.9% respectively compared to third quarter 2019. This was offset by significant…

Thank you, Anne. Last night we reported core FFO for the quarter ending September 30, 2020 of $0.94 per share, a decrease of $0.05 or 5.1% from the third quarter of 2019. The decrease in core FFO for the quarter can be attributed to lower NOI of $1.9 million primarily due to the impact of dispositions in the third and fourth quarter of 2019 and the second quarter of 2020, offset by reductions in G&A and interest expense. Year-to-date core FFO is unchanged from the prior year at $2.76 per share. Turning to our general and administrative expenses for the nine months ended September 30, 2020 G&A decreased by 10% or 1.1 million to $9.7 million compared to the same period of the prior year. The decrease is attributable to decreases in compensation related open positions consulting fees and travel and conference costs directly impacted by COVID-19. Interest expense of $20.6 million decreased by 11% or $2.6 million for the nine months ended. September 30, compared to the same period of the prior year, primarily due to the replacement of maturing debt with lower rate term debt and lower average balances on our lines of credit. Year-to-date property management expense of $4.3 million decreased $200,000 or 4.6% compared to the same period of the prior year. Cash only loss was $91,000 for the three months ended September 30, 2020 compared to $178,000 for the same period of the prior-year. The current quarter's loss includes $695,000 related to health damage incurred during the quarter on our Rapid City portfolio, offset by a $532,000 reduction in the prior quarter loss related to our Omaha portfolio. For the nine months ended September 30, 2020 casualty loss was $1.3 million compared to $911,000 for the same period of 2019. Approximately $2 million in capital…

[Operator instructions] Our first question today comes from Daniel Santos with Piper Sandler.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. My first one is more of a big picture question. Clearly the team has done a great job of pivoting the portfolio to focus on key Midwest markets, and I think the case for owning some we will say less brochure markets like Billings where revenues were up over 7% is pretty clear. But as you said, your long term strategy is to expand in larger markets like Minneapolis and Denver, which are seeing, better, but similar pressures and some of the coastal cities. So I was wondering if you could give us some more color on how you're thinking about expanding in those markets, versus maintaining your exposure to smaller markets which are clearly, bright spots in the portfolio.

Yes, that's a great question, Daniel thanks. Listen, I think our driving focus continues to be around markets that have real depths and real observable job and income growth. I mean that is ultimately the long term secret ingredient to good apartment cash flow growth. So I think we have absolutely, I think been positively surprised with the positives surrounding the smaller markets where we have diversity and I'll confess, probably more open minded to having some slice of diversity in markets like that in the future than we might have otherwise been. But another way to get that is, just to make sure you identify really good sub markets, and some of those larger markets where you have some good supply, tight constraints, and things like that. So I don't think it changes our overall view, although we're certainly happy we have the diversity we do.

Got it. That's, that's helpful. So my next question, when collections, renewal spreads, occupancy your portfolio has been relatively stable throughout what I am assuming most people would say has been a pretty disruptive year. What would you say the biggest drivers of that stability? Is it affordability? Is it the portfolio mix, is it your urban suburban ratio?

Yes, I think in my view, it is the mix of both markets and by suburban and urban. So we have talked a lot and I know you've been in Tony's investor meetings where we've talked about how Minneapolis sort of feels to us like the most fully developed version of our investment thesis around urban and suburban and A and B, and it has really performed well. But, obviously our portfolio is definitely being lifted by those secondary and tertiary markets. I don’t know, Anne did you want to answer that?

Yes, I think one of the big drivers which we commented on is pretty clear is compared to our public peers, the less regulation around COVID percussions and the more open economies have really benefited us throughout the Midwest.

Yes, that's a great point.

Got it, that's it from me. Congrats on the quarter.

Thanks.

Our next question comes from Gaurav Mehta, with National Securities.

Yes thanks. Good morning. I think you talked about decline in the new events for your urban markets, like adding 7.2% and 8.5%. I was hoping that you maybe touch upon how the claims were on a month to month basis. Did you see the trends worsen or did you see they stabilized in commercial urban markets where you're seeing weakness?

Yes, good morning, Gaurav. Anne, why don’t you…?

Yes, good morning, good question. We do watch the month-to-month trends really closely and particularly on the renewal side. I think across the portfolio we're seeing a stronger trend in renewals. We were at 1.4% in September. Our preliminary October numbers showed 2% up on renewals. When we look at the urban markets, the hit has been kind of a little bit more consistent, where we're down in those markets, pretty consistently. So we're not seeing much of a trend yet. Besides that we're we are down more in those markets than in the suburban markets, but nothing that yet shows that were on our way back up out of the negative, new lease growth in Denver, Minneapolis.

Yes, I mean as a portfolio we feel like we are stabilizing right now, but with some markets improving, but…?

Yes, we're definitely seeing the improvement, the trend improvement on both new lease rents and particularly on renewals in the suburban markets but those urban markets, we don't yet have a trend line to say if we think it's going to start picking back up or not.

Okay. Can you remind us, what's the portfolio mix between suburban and urban and A and B in your total portfolio?

Yes, we really have five assets that are urban that comprise about 14% of our NOI, if you look on a go forward basis, three in the Twin Cities and two in Denver.

Okay. I think Mark in your prepared remarks you talked about transaction volume being down by the multifamily sector, maybe talk about who are the buyers and sellers that are still transacting in the market, what kind of profile they have, is it any different than people that are transacting pre-COVID in your markets?

Yes, I think, I mean, obviously multi is a big market, and there are lots of participants and most of them live outside of the public markets, and I think we're seeing that reflected in the transaction volume. So, if anything, there's probably been a marginal add to the investor pool in light of what's happening in other sectors. So if you maybe you ran an opportunity fund in January, you probably had the ability to do multifamily in your fund but you didn't actively do it, because you were looking at other sectors, and you might be considering multi more than you were otherwise. We're definitely seeing that, but in terms of who's do we find in the bidding room so to speak, I mean it's the same groups we saw before. I just say there's varying levels of conviction. So I think there are still some groups who don't want to be the first person at their investment committee to talk about anything. We actually took the opposite approach and really were active this summer trying to shake some things loose. We found in most instances we chased things into other people's arms, but you know it's, I would say it's the same group plus a few extras, buyers.

Okay. Thanks, that all I had.

Thanks Gaurav

Our next question comes from Rob Stevenson with Janney.

Good morning, guys. Mark, how are you guys thinking about dispositions over the next few months, especially if there's a push for 1031 [ph] assets, ahead of your end and how much of your dispositions over the last few years have been to 1031 buyers.

Yes, the answer is, we would be will always be opportunistic, I mean everything in the portfolio has a buy now price. And so if we can find someone, those prices aren't all. They don’t all require exuberance to get there, but in general, we're always trying to call from the bottom so and answer the top. So, in terms of what have we sold the 1031 buyers I mean two assets, right.

Yes.

So, a couple years ago we sold too small assets worth about $6 million bucks to a buyer in Rochester. The balance which is over $200 million of multi, $250 million probably is all been to non 1031 buyers.

Okay, so it is not a big impact to you guys.

Yeah, the buyers may have used 1031, but it wasn't part of their strategy or pricing, but larger institutions or private equity funds that would be using 1031.

We lost a couple of this summers' to 1031 buyers, where we were down to a small pool of buyers and found ourselves just bidding against someone who wouldn't stop raising their price and found out after it closed. Hey, that person was not going to stop in the realm of reasonableness. So, good for you for stopping, I guess.

Okay. And how are you guys thinking about redevelopment spending and how the recent returns been trending over the last few months, do you put that on hold, given that you may not be able to get returns in the near term that you want, do you do it now anyway on vacancy while you can in anticipation the 2021 will be able to jump those rates up, how are you guys thinking about that today and where have the returns been?

Yes, I mean we have enough active projects that we can throttle up and down a little bit, I mean obviously we're restrained by turnover, but you know our plan is to continue to make those investments, provided they continue to hit the returns.

Yes, I think, you know, we were very careful, particularly at the beginning of COVID to say do we need to stop and redo the market research to see if the premiums would hold up because obviously, every time we make an investment there's a risk and whether or not it's going to lease for what we wanted it. And what we found particularly in some of our markets where there are supply constraints is, and our occupancy is high. Is there's still a lot of demand for products and that there's a lot of demand for renovated product. So we continue to kind of on the same plan. I think we'll hit the spend that we estimated to hit this year for value add and feel really good about some of the opportunities. When you look at our portfolio, for example, I noted, we have some renovations going in Rochester. That is a fairly large rental market compared to the size of the overall market and not a lot of new supply. So while they have gotten some new supply, we have a really good opportunity to kind of draft behind that and we're not seeing, a ton of new buildings going up that would compete with the renovated product. So we do still have some good packets of opportunity that we want to chase down, we're being very careful. And with the comp side to make sure that it will compete in the market and that we think that we can get the rent premiums that would justify the spend.

Okay, and then Anne, how successful have you guys been in terms of pushing your lease explorations into the second and third quarters. I mean, what percentage of your leases do you guys now have rolling in the fourth quarter and then the first quarter, where things may be a little bit more challenging?

Yeah, so since the beginning of, in the second and third quarters 72% of our leases roll, so we feel pretty good about that. You know now that in this instance that means that 72% of our leases have priced during COVID, and we only have 28% in the fourth and first quarter. So I think our exposure is good. We are constantly tweaking it to match what we see in traffic patterns. That'll take a little bit more time, obviously the traffic pattern this year was off pretty significantly given very little traffic in Q2 and higher traffic's in Q3, and we're seeing higher, we saw higher traffic in October than last October as well. So that exploration profile may want to move we're never going to be done, trying to identify exactly where it should be as the market moves, but we feel pretty confident about the amount of leases in the second and third quarter and the opportunity that that will bring next year, as we head into the summer months and with hopefully a better recovery on the economic side.

Okay. And then last one for me. Any markets where you've been seeing incremental deterioration in September and October market condition wise?

I don't think so. I think that the prevalent theme in our portfolio for certain is the just the core versus suburban in Twin Cities in Denver. I think we probably, when COVID first came about I suggested that we just roll everyone flat. In hindsight, we probably didn't need to do that. So we've probably stifled some economic or revenue growth there. But that's over now and we're and we're really we're getting rental increases where we can and really focused on staying full and keeping pricing powerful when things get a little better.

Okay, thanks guys, I appreciate it.

Thanks Rob.

Our next question comes from John Kim with BMO Capital Markets.

Thanks, good morning. You guys mentioned social unrest in your core urban markets and I think you quoted a 17% decline in new leases in Minneapolis in urban core. How much of this do you think is due to safety concerns and people looking to leave the cities with the discussion of defending the place, versus I guess new supply or other economic factors.

Good morning, John, thanks. I think it's really mostly about COVID. I mean, the just vacancy of the city just exacerbates the issue. The safety issue which obviously Minneapolis has been in the headlines more than we'd want to be on all of those items, but I think it's really the kind of the second derivative. The first thing is COVID-19. And when people get back into the office, I think things will definitely improve. To me now, you're living at our place in the North FreightYard and you've got a killer apartment and you can walk to the river and you used to go to walk to 100 restaurants and bars and now you can walk to 20 restaurants and bars and someone just stole your bike. So your marginal input there is not positive because you can't go to any of the sports things you went to or any of that stuff. So, I would say it's obviously a big issue for the cities, in general and in North America, and it's certainly an issue here. But I would say if everyone were back, if target and the other large corporate users in the city said, hey, we're coming back to the office tomorrow, because we have a therapeutic or whatever we have that makes us all feel safer in the office. I think a lot of that would turn pretty quickly.

Okay, there's been discussion of compressed cap rates in many markets, including Denver. Can you comment on the cap rate on the podcast assets that you purchased and what your leasing strategy is because I think it is relatively new building.

Yes, so we bought that on our math at a going in roughly four to four and a quarter cap. So we've historically given 25 basis points, ranges, obviously, that in our judgment will hopefully be a trough year number. So our first 12 months of cash flow will hopefully be the lowest, and certainly they've been affected by COVID. So we underwrote really no rent growth in year one, and modest rent growth in year two, and three, so trying to be conservative. But for sure, I mean, looking in Nashville, we are seeing things trade in the mid threes. So we haven't gotten anything dependable there. So yes, I'd say the cap rates are definitely have come in. I would certainly suggest that everyone should be mindful that it's on top cash flows. It's not clear to me; it isn't the case for us that we've lowered our, long term return expectations. So I guess, if you're looking to buy something and sell it in two or three years, it's a hard time to buy something right now, if you have kind of a five to 10 year timeline in your mind, and then I think you can make sense of it. And in fact, you probably some of these markets look more appealing to you than they might have before. And it's also the case that with some of the regulatory risk, in California, in New York and elsewhere, that those are markets that take a lot of investment dollars, and as you, de-emphasized as the marginal dollar leaves that market and goes into a market like Nashville or Denver, or many of which, together those markets in a high year would have $10 billion of volume out of $180 billion of total volume, when you push that marginal dollar out, it obviously helps compress returns, and rates are another big factor there. So I've read a bunch of those same things and in fact, some of them maybe you wrote, but a lot of the commentary I would agree with cap rates have definitely come in.

Are you a buyer in if national price remains in the threes? Are you willing to pivot to another expansion market?

I mean, we're a buyer as long as it's creative and we are a long term believer in the asset. And I guess you could possibly count in some modest dilution if you feel really strong about the out year growth. But in general, we don't have a lot of happy agreement in our boardroom when we come with those kinds of ideas. So we're focused on per share cash flow growth, and how we do that. So I mean, one of the things that we really liked about having Nashville in our world, as I've talked about before, is it, it opened our opportunity set up 50%, because we were previously really mostly hunting in the Twin Cities in Denver, and now it's Twin Cities, Denver and Nashville. So it gives us some better perspective. But if that market continued to long term, just not be open to us, I guess we'd have to consider I don't believe that that'll happen, but we'll have to see.

Another question from me is, I think you provided an October update as far as renewals up 2.1%, and the collection rate, but I was wondering if you could also provide an update and occupancy as well as the new lease rate growth?

Yes, our new leases in October and these are preliminary numbers, because we're, just a couple days at the end of the month, and things are still getting entered. But our weighted average occupancy today is 92 eights, and our new lease rates in October look like they were about I'm sorry, 94. 9 sorry, I'm sorry about that. And our new lease rates were down 1.1%. So we still are seeing a little bit of a decrease. That's only on about 200 leases for October. So it's not a huge volume. As we talked about earlier, our expiration profile is much lower in these winter months.

94 measured.

Yes, 94.9 sorry.

And that's weighted average for October or at month end?

And that's weighted average same store.

Okay. Thank you.

Thanks, John.

Our next question comes from Amanda Sweitzer with Baird.

Thanks. Good morning, just following up on a transaction markets have you guys started to see any price discovery in the urban cores of your target markets? And then as your thinking changed at all, in terms of where you want to be within those target markets, apart from some of the comments you made earlier about avoiding pockets with higher supply?

Yes, good morning, Amanda. Yes, so I mean, I can give you a story of recent activity there. There was an asset in downtown St. Paul, that was for sale that, roughly, it was, nice. Rehab of an old building, it was, rumored to be for sale last summer, we really liked it, I think, the price talk last summer was call it $60 million bucks. It has come to market, I don't know if it's been put under agreement, but I believe the price talk was around $45 million, which would have been something like 200 a door, so well below replacement cost. The asset has some interesting, unique physical aspects because it's a converted office building. So there's some there's a lot of commercial a lot more commercial space than you might like. But the point is, people's perspective on downtown St. Paul has changed a lot from a great market with some nice little pockets of great activity going on and lots of things to do to now eco labs out of the office, and they're going to be in some of the other major employers are as well. And so what we're seeing in our own property is folks who took an apartment, maybe they work four or five days a week and live at our apartment and then had a cabin in Wisconsin, as their primary residence are just living there. So, when some of those employers come back, we expect they'll be living with us again, and until then they're not. So when I look at the when we looked at that asset, and we priced it in that $45 million range, it's pricing at mid six to high seven, kind of unlevered IRR with pretty reasonable assumptions. But you're really betting on downtown St. Paul, which just doesn't feel great right now, because there's just not a lot of, there's just not a lot of activity in the city. So again, the we're having a hard time convincing ourselves to buy into the theme we're already seeing and the things we own in the downtown area, where people are less excited about living there, because there's just less, people pay a premium to live downtown, if all the things you pay a premium for are unavailable, the premium doesn't make a lot of sense. So I mean, that's one small, for instance, where I can tell you, we looked at it pre-COVID and post, I think directionally, that owner and most owners are in a spot where they don't need to sell, I mean that owner doesn't need to sell if they do you know, they've gone from hitting a home run to a double. I mean, they did a really good job turning that property and but they're only going to sell if they have a good thing to put the money into, because they could probably hold out and do better later. [Indiscernible] for Amanda.

No, helpful anecdote. And then can you just stack rank as you think about the balance sheet stack rank, how you think about sources of acquisition capital the day between levering up, selling additional assets or issuing equity via the ATM?

Yes, we would stack rank levering up the lowest and be sort of dispassionate between sales or ATM or capital raises, again, focusing on doing our best to maintain or extend our per share kind of earnings power. So we're not uncomfortable where we are with leverage today. I'd say we're comfortable. One of the key things we're focused on is maintaining access to the private placement market, which we certainly have access to that today if we want it so that, that's a big governor in our mind.

Yes, Amanda, I would just add, I think the Park house is a good model for the type of acquisition that we'd like to do. We raised close to $16 million on the ATM shed some pretty inefficient assets for excellent pricing for about $40 million and then we're able to transact on a $145 million assets in a great sub market.

That makes sense. Thanks for the time.

Thanks, Amanda.

Our next question comes from Jim Sullivan with BTIG.

Yes, thanks. Just a first question for Anne, you talked a little bit about the value-add program earlier. And given what's happening with cap rates, in the markets, tightening and tough to sometimes get across the finish line on properties, you might like, just curious what the scope is for expanding that, say over the next, six to eight quarters. I think you used the word that you were careful about the underwriting and, you're pretty ambitious ROI targets, you've hinted on what you've done so far. So what kind of the scope is there for you to increase that? Given, maybe the lack of attractively priced acquisitions?

Yes, that's, a great question. I think one we're thinking a lot about. We are actively looking at an underwriting more value-add projects within our portfolio, it's an important part of our budget process each year that we talk with our community and regional managers about where they see opportunities, what they're hearing, where how much more rent they think that they could get, you know, they're the ones who are interacting every day with the prospects and hearing. Well, I didn't like your kitchen, or, you know, I want to go to a nicer building with a better clubhouse, or what those amenities are. So, we can do all the research on the market camps and all the underwriting, but we also use the time during our budget season, to really touch base and hear what our community leaders think could be beneficial for their communities. And the value-add process for us goes everything from renovating units to looking at amenities to, how we can create efficiencies by investing in infrastructure or technology within the communities to make them better. So I think, our plan is to consistently do $10 million to $15 million of investment a year and we feel like we have a pipeline forward to do that. So, it is going to expand over time, because that amount will compound, these projects take two or three years. So if we outlay $10 million to $15 million of investment in year one and $10 million to $15 million in year two, in your over time, we're building on that, because, it takes two to three years, in most instances to spend that money. So I think we do have a pretty good opportunity. And one thing that we're going to be really cognizant about, especially given the trend right now is in our markets that might be smaller, we often see little or no supply. And so what is the opportunity in those markets to really push rents or move to the top of the market in rents. So markets that we have not quite gotten to look at yet. But where we see really strong growth over time, including markets like Billings, or Rapid City, our North Dakota portfolio has been really well situated after some of the dispositions we've done there. So there could be some opportunities there to refresh and stay at the top of the markets in those areas where we see very little supply.

Yes, I'm just going to circle back and add to something I said earlier, because I mentioned mid threes in Nashville, and I've already gotten several notes about it. So I should qualify, that is for the nicest, newest stuff in Nashville that's not at market wide cap. Right. That's it. You want new product, it's just come up lease up and things like that. So sorry, Jim, just to tack on that general thought.

No, no problem, Mark. I appreciate that. I guess the other part of the value-add question, though, given the compression in cap rates, in what we'll call secondary markets, is that achieving that yield on cap spend, combined with the cap rate compression, only expands presumably the value creation opportunity that you're perceiving in doing this.

That's right. And, yes, I think and we're thinking about that closely. One of the questions that we ask for every value-add project is, with respect to the risk return profile is where are the cap rates, where do we believe our NAV is, what would if we just sold that opportunity to a value-add, buyer who will underwrite it. The returns on the value-add and kind of pay you for that, we always do that analysis to think about, what is the value we're going to create versus the value we could get for the asset to allow someone else to take on the risk of the value-add.

Yes, and then the real challenge, I think, is you can't spend NAV and you can spend earnings per share, or people can measure it. So I think one of the natural questions that I feel like you're dancing around is why aren't you selling more stuff? And the answer is, we certainly consider it, we will consider it. The Grand Forks sale really was opportunistic, and not something that we had planned. When we got to the gate a year, we were really surprised to see the level of interest in those assets when we launched, in June, in kind of the New World. So it's definitely on our mind constantly and something we talk about in investment committee, along with these value-add deals, all the time.

Thanks for that and then a pushover Joan [ph] on costs she made a number of cautionary comments about areas where there, where you're concerned about potential cost increases. Most of those items that you mentioned, John, I think I'm writer really fall into the category of non-controllable. We particularly talking about real estate taxes and insurance. And I just wonder if you can give us some, kind of ballpark guesstimate in terms of the increases that you might be facing in 21, in percentage terms, versus what you've had to face already this year?

Sure. And good morning, Jim. I would say they fall into two buckets. The first bucket are really items that there were savings in this year because of COVID, right, closing common area facilities, our self insured health care costs, people not being able to get into their positions. So those are going to be returning to normal levels in the future. So that would be the first bucket. And then as you mentioned, the non-controllable bucket. We have had some initial discussions on insurance premiums, and are getting feedback, that we should expect things in the 10% to 20% range for increases. And we are out with brokers now getting bids and locking that down, and we will definitely have that locked down by the time we come on this call next quarter. But indicative pricing, despite pretty big increases last year, if you recall, we had a premium increase in of, 25% to 30% last year.

So less coverage, I mean, the quality, it's more or less.

That's right, with, higher aggregate and more restrictive deductibles. So it was a little surprising to us, that initial pricing and, and once again, I don't have final pricing to share, but that's what we're hearing from our brokers. On real estate taxes, we have not seen any increases yet. And that may be, longer term. But it still happens most our markets will send out their valuations really in the next four to six weeks. So once again, we'll have a much better feel of what those increases are when we come on the call next quarter. But it's something we're concerned about, but we have no visibility yet as to what those increases are.

Yes, I mean, I think on the bright side there, Jim, a lot of our portfolio has been, I'll say marked to the state of the art because almost half of our portfolio has been purchased in the last few years. So, if you have owned an asset for a long time, you're going to get market increases, if you just transacted on it, it's really hard to argue that it's not worth what you just paid for it. So we feel like we have relatively up to date taxes, which is not a positive because it means we're sort of getting taxed at the full level. On the other hand, it should less than our exposure to sort of surprises like we had last year in Rochester, where that is the case where we had those that own those assets for a while. And then on the insurance front, I mean I guess the good news for us is that everyone is affected by that. habitational insurance is just an area where the underwriters did a poor job making money in most of the mid teens and they've really been trying to call that back while also looking their wounds from a bunch of other really large losses kind of across the globe. So if you have a piece of real estate where someone is sleeping, and living for an entire 24-hour period, as we do, and h Total do and, senior housing and so forth, your insurance is going up, because there's just been poor experience there from the insurance community.

Sure. Well, I appreciate that detail. And then just a final question from me, when you talk about the acquisition opportunities, I'm just curious, even though you may, hesitate to commit capital to some of the urban markets, but I just wonder whether you're seeing any signs of distress with developers who were struggling to achieve their lease up objectives, in this market, and potentially, those assets might be coming on the market or are available at what might be, pretty attractive pricing, if looked at from a long term perspective?

Yes, I do think I did that is, I think the areas of most opportunity are in the downtown markets. And deals that are in lease up for certain are an area where I mean, we've seen several large national merchants who have large Equity Partners in multiple deals in multiple markets, lower their exposure, and, if that asset was part, it par with February 1, you might be able to buy that asset in the 93 to 97 territory today. And you're, obviously taking more risk on the lease up. Another area where we've seen a similar theme is something that did get leased up, but its last seven months of lease up in the last seven months. So they fill the asset, but they probably did it, or certainly did it at rents that were lower than they expected. So, the cash flow stream is in place that you're buying, maybe there may be some better opportunity for that to grow relatively quickly once we get to, firmer ground in terms of the recovery. And unless and we would absolutely pursue either of those types of scenarios and we're underwriting those things every day. We do believe in urban centers long term. It's just a question of how much risk or are you getting paid for the risk, it's not clear that you are at this point, I think, is much clearer in the asset in the area, or the example you just described, new asset in a market you understand that feels a little bit better.

Okay, great. Thanks, guys.

Thanks, Jim.

Our next question comes from Buck Horne with Raymond James.

Hi, thanks. Good morning. You addressed many of my questions, especially insurance costs. I did have one point I was, maybe I'm a little slow on picking up the clarification here. But just on the casualty loss in the quarter just help me understand so that the 90, I guess the $91,000 or so that flows through the income statement, but there's an add-back in the core FFO for $545,000. Just what was the difference between those two figures again?

Sure. So the $90,000 is really comprised of, we had a little over $600,000 or maybe 700, almost $700,000 loss this year, or this quarter. We also had a reversal, a change in the estimate from a prior quarter loss. So that's what shrinks that number in the current quarter. And why the net is $90,000. As far as the add back to core FFO of that, the loss the incident, we had this quarter that we had a loss, some of that was a portion of that loss was the write-off of an existing asset. So we have to do a complete roof replacement. So we write that asset off, and that's a non cash transaction and we add that back to our core FFO.

Okay.

And then as we spend that, yes, and then as we spend the replacement costs, you'll see that go through our capital expenditures.

Buck you need to know that somewhere Mike Dance and Jeff Caira are smiling because we had a lot of discussion on that.

Good. Just as I wanted to clarify make sure I understood all the moving parts. I appreciate that. And the other cost piece of the equation for me was just the SG&A run rate. You guys have made a lot of progress controlling those expenses obviously some of that related to, this post pandemic world we're in. I'm just curious, of the cost, you kind of outlined that we're going to potentially going to come back to you next year. Is that going to affect the SG&A run rate where you're at now or how sustainable is this current SG&A run rate?

Yes, Buck. So, as I mentioned in my comments, some of those are due to open positions. We do intend to fill those open positions as part of COVID and, part of some cost constraints. And just a difficulty in interviewing and evaluating the positions. We've held those open, but a lot of our team members have, been pulling double weight and so the plan would be, that we would rehire those also, to less extent in 2021, travel conference, all those type of costs will return. But, we don't think we'll go back to pre-COVID levels in 2021 one of those areas. So, we're still going to get some savings there. I mean, G&A has been a focus of ours from day one. So, while the pandemic and some decisions we've made have contributed, reducing those costs, as a, we don't see those, returning to pre-COVID levels in 2021, once you apply inflation factors. If that makes sense at all, like if you took our 2019 costs, applied inflation factors to 2021, we do anticipate keeping some of those savings.

All right, sounds good. Thanks, that's all from me.

Thanks Buck.

This concludes our question-and-answer session and I would like to turn the call back over to Mark Decker for any closing remarks.

Thanks, Aly and thanks, everyone for your time and interest in IRET. We wish everybody a safe and healthy holiday and if you haven't already, get out and vote. Thanks so much.

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