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Carter's, Inc. (CRI)

Q2 2014 Earnings Call· Thu, Jul 24, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to Carter's Second Quarter 2014 Earnings Conference Call. On the call today are Michael Casey, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Richard Westenberger, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Brian Lynch, President; and Sean McHugh, Vice President and Treasurer. [Operator Instructions] Carter's issued its second quarter 2014 earnings press release earlier this morning. A copy of the release and presentation materials for today’s call have been posted on the Investor Relations section of the company's website at www.carters.com. Before we begin, let me remind you that statements made on this conference call and in the company's presentation materials about the company's outlook, plans and future performance are forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those projected. For a discussion of factors that could cause actual results to vary from those contained in the forward-looking statements, please refer to the company's most recent annual report filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Also on this call, the company will reference various non-GAAP financial measurements. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measurements to the GAAP financial measurements is provided in the company's earnings release and presentation materials. Also, today's call is being recorded. And now I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Casey.

Michael D. Casey

Management

Thanks very much. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on the call. Before we walk you through the presentation on our website, I'd like to share some thoughts on our business with you. We continue to make good progress with our growth initiatives this year. In the second quarter, we exceeded our sales and earnings goals, we achieved our pricing objectives, improved our gross margin, leveraged SG&A and gained market share. Given our strong first half performance, we are raising our earnings guidance for the year. As a reminder, we are focused on 3 key priorities for our business. The first is to provide the best value and experience in young children's apparel. The second is to extend the reach of our brands. And the third is to improve profitability. We continue to receive high marks from consumers on the strength of our brands. In a recent survey, good value was one of the top brand attributes cited by consumers, together with stylish clothing and helpful store associates. In this economy, value is very important to the consumer. Year-over-year, I'd say the market was more promotional in the second quarter. Many retailers were moving aggressively through product that backed up due to the cold weather earlier this year. Despite the more promotional environment, we improved our price realization in the second quarter, given the strength of our product offerings and inventory management initiatives. We were very thoughtful in setting prices this year to help offset higher product costs. We believe we're competitively priced and expect to achieve our price objectives in the balance of the year. July sales were off to a good start. The big months for us this quarter are August and September, driven by the back-to-school shoppers and Labor Day holiday. We had a good…

Richard F. Westenberger

Management

Thank you, Mike. Good morning, everyone. I'll highlight our second quarter and year-to-date results and then cover our expectations for the third quarter and the balance of the year. As usual, it's helpful to have a copy of our presentation materials alongside as you listen to my comments, and these presentation materials are available on our website. Note that my comments on our business performance are on an as-adjusted basis. A reconciliation to our GAAP results is provided in the appendix of today's presentation. I'll start on Page 2, with some overall highlights of the second quarter. As Mike noted, we had a terrific second quarter. We delivered strong growth in both top line sales and in earnings. All business segments contributed to our sales growth of 11%, and we posted comp store sales increases across all of our retail store businesses, Carter's and OshKosh in the U.S. and in Canada. Higher sales, improved gross margin and expense leverage drove earnings growth of 33% to $0.61 per share. We outperformed our prior guidance principally due to better-than-anticipated gross margin and spending favorability, a portion of which we would attribute to timing. Page 3 highlights the drivers of our sales growth in the second quarter. Total Carter's sales in the U.S. grew 10%. Our retail stores and eCommerce businesses were each significant contributors to this growth. Overall, our Carter's direct-to-consumer comp increased nearly 8%. Carter's wholesale grew in the low single digits. Our U.S. OshKosh businesses delivered a very strong quarter. Total OshKosh sales in the U.S. grew by 17% and our direct-to-consumer comp increased 11.6%. Second quarter international segment sales grew 13%, driven by wholesale demand across multiple markets and growth in our retail store business in Canada. The devaluation of the Canadian dollar compared to the U.S. dollar negatively…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And for our first question, we go to Steph Wissink with Piper Jaffray.

Stephanie Schiller Wissink - Piper Jaffray Companies, Research Division

Analyst

Just a couple of quick ones. I'd love to hear a little bit more about the eCommerce growth in the quarter. It was very strong. Are you seeing any changes in your consumer adoption or any new entrance to the brand in that channel? I mean, how do you think about mobile as a portion of the eCommerce driver? And then secondly, on the Canadian stores, it's a nice lift there in terms of the overall productivity. If you could talk a little bit about what you're seeing from a four wall basis versus the U.S. that would be helpful. And then just lastly, I think you mentioned, Richard, at the end of the year in your prepared remarks, the reduced shipments to one of your key wholesale partners in the third quarter impacting the guidance. Could you just talk a little bit more about the volatility and the order cycle of that customer, specifically and how we should think about that going forward over the next maybe 12 to 18 months?

Michael D. Casey

Management

Okay, a good multipart question there. So let me kick things off with eCommerce. We're thrilled with the performance of our eCommerce business. We continue to see strong demand. All of the consumer metrics are improving, given the strength of the marketing and the good work that's being done by the retail eCommerce teams. More people have been drawn to the brand. So we're reaching more consumers. It's a highly effective way of engaging the consumer. It's the #1 way consumers engage with our brand online. The -- I'm biased, but I think the -- I think we've got a beautiful website, a co-branded website, that improves the convenience of shopping for a newborn to about a 10-year-old child. So we're seeing good progress with it. We're expecting to see good progress in the second half. In terms of the mobile experience, we have some good work underway to continue to strengthen the mobile experience. A good effort's underway to create more of an omni-channel experience, so that the consumer can browse at home, purchase online at home and then pick up in the store. Those things are underway. We have some tests underway, and we'll have probably have more to share with you later this year and into next year. So good efforts underway. We just could not be happier with the progress that we're making with the eCommerce business. You had another question on...

Brian J. Lynch

Analyst

Yes, wholesale. It's Brian. Just to comment on that. We've got a broad portfolio of wholesale customers. Some are up; some are down, overall. We continue to plan that business at low single-digit growth. We do not manage the business by quarter. We have articulated before that we had 1 customer for fall that had cut us back. That situation has since stabilized. I don't have a concern about that going forward. But there are -- the majority of our customers are planning us up. We talked about the fact that for fall, our bookings were down slightly, and you're going to see that impact come to the P&L in the third quarter, based primarily on that one customer. For spring, we're comparable to last year, and I see that, really, as a result of the market. It's been a challenging spring for a lot of folks. It was a challenging holiday season. We continue to support all of our wholesale customers in terms of making good investments in brand presentation, helping them with their eCommerce sites as the business continues to move forward in eCommerce. And keep in mind, as Richard articulated, we've got 3 components of wholesale. We've got a fall booking season, a spring booking season and a replenishment component. And that replenishment component is about 25% of sales. So when you look forward to next year, we'd book spring comparable to last year. We've got the replenishment component, which we've launched, the beautiful new Little Layette presentation, which is off to a good start. So we expect good growth in that business. And then we've got the fall bookings for fall '15. We have not even designed fall at this point, but the fall bookings in the fall season is the largest component of the 3 in wholesale. So we plan that business at a low single-digit growth. We're confident that we can continue to grow it. And we think based on the industry, we can achieve those goals, that, that would be a success.

Michael D. Casey

Management

Correct. You had a question on productivity of the stores. Richard, you want to get that?

Richard F. Westenberger

Management

The productivity of the stores in Canada is very good. I'd say on balance, reasonably similar to the performance of our stores here in the U.S. Top line, somewhere around $2 million; good four wall productivity, in the mid to upper 20% range. We've been in transition in our stores in Canada, with moving from the legacy private-label assortment and the -- now the removal of the Bonnie Togs legacy nameplate. So now that we have a more consistent model, we're pleased with the market share gains we're getting. The data suggests that the awareness of the Carter's and OshKosh brands continues to grow in Canada. We've had a very successful entrance to Québec, which was a new province for us in the last year. So on balance, we're very pleased with the productivity of new Canadian stores.

Operator

Operator

And for our next question, we go to Taposh Bari with Goldman Sachs.

Taposh Bari - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Mike, a question on product costs. So last we heard, they were planned up about 6% to 7% this year. I know you gave some nice detail earlier in the call. Can you tell us what your outlook is in terms of rate, whether it's inflation, deflation for spring '15 on product costs? I know you mentioned something about expecting better margins. I don't know if it was a '15 comment or a spring '15 comment. But are you referring to gross margins, merchandise margins, operating margins? If you could just help...

Michael D. Casey

Management

The cost environment, I would say, for spring '15, we're seeing a better trend in cost than we saw in 2014. So we saw more inflation than we expected this year. We're encouraged by what we saw for spring '15. I would describe product cost increases for spring '15 as modest. We're also encouraged by what we're seeing every day in the trend in cotton prices. If you looked at the paper this morning, cotton prices are in the $0.60 range. And earlier this year, they were in the $0.80 range. And it will probably take us some time to see the benefit of that. We think we'll probably see more benefit in the second half of '15 than the first half -- first half of '15 is locked down. So that line has been developed. It's been sold into the wholesale customers, but we're encouraged by what we saw for spring. I think we'll be more encouraged, we hope, for what we'd see for fall on the line.

Taposh Bari - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst

And just the follow-up is on the -- you mentioned you're expecting slightly better margins.

Michael D. Casey

Management

Product margins. It's product margins.

Taposh Bari - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst

And is that for spring '15, right?

Michael D. Casey

Management

Correct.

Taposh Bari - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then the follow-up question is, Richard, for you, on the guidance, my math gets me to an implied second half guide of $2.53 roughly at the midpoint. I think your prior guidance was closer to $2.64, so there seems to be about $0.11 of a gap there. You put up a nice beat on 2Q revenues. You mentioned an SG&A timing shift, but can you help us help reconcile the difference there?

Richard F. Westenberger

Management

Sure. Well, we've -- as we've said, we do expect some higher SG&A from the timing benefit that we saw in the second quarter, so that shifts forward into the second half of the year. We are also taking the opportunity to spend against a couple initiatives that weren't funded initially, as we put our plans together. But given the upside that we've generated in the first half, these are high-return initiatives that we think are worth accelerating. One has to do with pursuing our initiative around indirect procurement, which we think will drive some good savings for 2015. And I'd say on balance, there's some additional technology projects that we think of getting going on in the second half of this year. So that's perhaps one of the delta that you're seeing. We still expect to have good earnings growth, good expense leverage in the second half.

Taposh Bari - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Can you repeat the SG&A timing shift? I know you mentioned it, but I missed it.

Richard F. Westenberger

Management

That's about $3 million.

Taposh Bari - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst

And that goes into 3Q or 2 half?

Richard F. Westenberger

Management

The majority of it, I would say, would be in the third quarter.

Operator

Operator

We go next to Robbie Ohmes of Bank of America.

Daniel O'Hare - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst

This is Dan O'Hare on for Robbie Ohmes. So I have a question about the side-by-side format. How does the criteria for opening a side-by-side store differ from a branded store? And then which format is more profitable?

Michael D. Casey

Management

I would say the criteria is the same. It's got to be good real estate. It's got to meet the key attributes of that particular site in terms of demographics, household income, number of young children in the area. So it's the same criteria, and the Carter's store continues to be the more profitable of the 2 stores. It's got a margin-rich business. And -- but the returns on the OshKosh store are far better than we had seen in the previous store models. So given the good returns on the investment in the OshKosh store in the side-by-side format, generally, that's why we're -- you'll see a higher mix of side-by-side stores in our total store openings going forward.

Daniel O'Hare - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And just on the promotional environment in the wholesale channel. How does that compare to last year? And then do you have plans to expand floor space in your wholesale -- with your wholesale partners?

Brian J. Lynch

Analyst

I would say that the promotional environment continues to be robust. And there's heavy -- there was heavy clearance in the competition. I think some of the specialty folks struggled with the spring weather and moving through inventories. So it continues to be a highly promotional environment. I would point out that our AURs for the first half and for the quarter were up, so we felt good about that. We're getting paid for the good work our folks are going to be doing or have done. We were slightly more promotional at times, things like when we had some inventory to clear out after Q1, and policy [ph] and free shipping at our websites. Overall, our inventories are in good shape in our direct channel. And then wholesale, they're in good shape as well. The majority of the accounts, there inventories are in good shape.

Daniel O'Hare - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst

And floor space?

Brian J. Lynch

Analyst

In terms of floor space, I would say that there is -- we're not losing any floor space. There's opportunities to gain. There are some incremental floor space, good things that have happened in terms of the OshKosh brand in a few accounts that we're testing. And in terms of Carter's, our growth opportunity in Carter's in terms of floor space is really around playwear and how we can extend the brand up. We have the #1 share in baby. We now have the #1 share in toddler. We'd like all the accounts to carry a broad assortment of our toddler playwear. 4 to 7 is assorted in a number of accounts, but not all. And as we've said before, we're testing even bigger sizes in our own direct channel. And if we're able to have success with that, we would see that as an opportunity going forward.

Operator

Operator

And we go next to Susan Anderson with FBR Capital Markets. Susan K. Anderson - FBR Capital Markets & Co., Research Division: I was wondering if you can maybe update us on direct sourcing, kind of where you're at with penetration, any color you could give us on the benefits that you're seeing and your goal for the year end. And then also, is your expectation still to be at 50% over the longer term?

Michael D. Casey

Management

Yes. Thanks for the question. We're on track to have a mix of direct sourcing, about 50% by 2017. The mix this year will be over 30%. So we're pleased with the progress. We're seeing the benefits that we had envisioned when we went down this path a few years ago. It gives us an ability to deal directly with factories, become more knowledgeable of what's going on in Asia, to navigate through some of the challenges of rising labor costs. So it's -- I'd say that initiative is fully on track, and we're making good progress. Susan K. Anderson - FBR Capital Markets & Co., Research Division: Okay. And then just a follow-on to that. What's the thought around any risk to airfreight expense in the back half? Or should we see that kind of coming back this year versus last year? And then just one more on capital allocation, if you could kind of update us on your thoughts there and any thoughts on acquisitions and potentially how you would kind of enter China.

Michael D. Casey

Management

So in terms of airfreight, we currently don't expect any significant airfreight charges in the second half. That said, all you need is 1 factory to skip a beat, and there's always a risk at airfreight. And we make those decisions. You always have a chance to tell the factory to keep the product. And -- but we -- our objective, we'd make sure that we continue to service our wholesale customers at a high level and make sure that we bring beautiful product into the market. But currently, the supply chain performance, I would say, in the first half, far better than what we saw last year. We had significant airfreight charges in the second half last year. We don't currently envision that we'll have that level of charges in the second half this year.

Richard F. Westenberger

Management

On the capital allocation, Susan, we're always open to M&A ideas. We certainly look at a number of things that come our way. Given our position in the industry, we tend to see all the significant opportunities that are out there. And we're open to that. I'd say we have a really stringent set of criteria that we use in evaluating those opportunities. So if something comes along, we certainly have the wherewithal to pursue it. It's great to have the financial flexibility that we have. Beyond that, I think we've articulated a good capital allocation framework that has us deploying excess free cash flow towards return of capital initiatives, including our dividend, including share repurchase. I think we've made good progress on that this year. We've been using some of our accumulated cash on the balance sheet for share repurchase. My guess is we'll continue to do share repurchase going forward.

Operator

Operator

For our next question, we go to Rick Patel with Stephens.

Rick B. Patel - Stephens Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Can you provide more color around pricing? It looks like you're making some progress from an AUR perspective, but the environment remains highly promotional. So how should we think about your ability to continue doing well from a pricing perspective in this environment? How much can you adjust pricing before you really start to get pushed back? And then, secondly, any updates on how your wholesale customers are responding to price adjustments you've already made, given the weakness that they're seeing in their own channel?

Brian J. Lynch

Analyst

Yes, Rick, a 2-part question. In terms of pricing, our key goal is to remain competitive. And we got a really strong value proposition here with the company. And that being said, we do attempt to offset the inflation impacts. We've taken some steps on price. It's not across the board. We've been very mindful of that. So where we've added product upgrades, some of the multipiece items we have, multipiece sets and things that we have significant value are things that we've addressed in terms of pricing. We've avoided a good amount of, I'd say, single-garment items or kind of those lightning rod items that are highly competitive, like opening price t-shirts. So we've been very mindful with the merchants about where we have applied price increases. For spring '14, again, we'd say that we had modest AUR growth, which we were happy about in a really challenging environment. For fall, we're planning to a mid-single-digit increase in price, which is going to offset the majority of the cost increases, not all. It's too early to call. We ship fall product in June. We're off to a good start in our stores. In July, we're off to a good start. But it's too early to call the price increases and how they're flowing through. We'll have a better feeling in the next call after back-to-school. And then for spring '15, we have selective increases. Most of those are rollovers from decisions we made on fall '14 and things that roll forward to spring. So we think we've got a good strategy. It's not a significant change. And we think we've put the increases in places where we deserve to get paid for, based on the value of the product and the investments that we're making. Second, so you had asked about wholesale. I'd say the responses have been positive from the wholesale customers. There was no meaningful pushback, per se. And when we sold in fall or spring and the price actions we took, I think they felt they were well-thought-out as well, and that was not a significant concern from our wholesale partners.

Rick B. Patel - Stephens Inc., Research Division

Analyst

All right, great. And then can you update us on the transition to the new DC? It's a very impressive facility. Are things going according to plan over there? And as you think about expenses in the back half, what's your level of confidence that you will continue to get leverage? And is it safe to assume that you'll get even greater leverage in 2015 as it ramps up further?

Michael D. Casey

Management

Transition's going well. The systems are working as expected. We have a very large labor force up there that we're training, and a lot of them are new. And so that's the current focus, to make sure that, that facility is as productive as we need it to be. I would say in the first half, the facility performed as expected overall. And the -- it's trending up to meet the demand level we're expecting around the holidays. The next big test of that facility is going to be around the Labor Day holiday, so we're making sure that we're squared away for that. And to your point, we do envision even greater benefit as we roll into 2015. We'll have a full year benefit of that facility being up and running. A lot of the transition to the more automated systems happened about midyear this year. And our expectation is that with another 6 months under their belt in the second half this year, the facility would run even more efficiently in -- for full year '15.

Operator

Operator

We go next to Anna Andreeva with Oppenheimer. Anna A. Andreeva - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: I was hoping to follow up on the third quarter guidance. How should we think about gross margin, given some of the higher AUR resonating? And it sounds like inventories are clean for you guys, as well as in the channel. And also curious, maybe talk about the comp cadence during the quarter. Did you guys see any regional variability? And what's embedded in your guidance for comps for 3Q? I think you mentioned July is off to a good start. Are you guys seeing that at both brands?

Richard F. Westenberger

Management

Anna, on third quarter margins, we're actually planning gross margins down slightly year-over-year. We do still have a good mix benefit from continuing to grow the direct-to-consumer businesses. There are still, though, higher product costs, which are in excess of the pricing action that we've taken. So that still is a drag. A bit more of that is centric in the OshKosh retail business, which we're showing good growth, or are expecting good growth in the third quarter. That gap between the product cost and pricing is a bit more severe there. So that's having a bit of a distorted effect. We also have international margins, which continue to be under some pressure in the third quarter. Foreign currency is working against us in Canada. I would say that we have a little bit extra spring/summer product in Canada that we're working through as well, so all of that combined is leading us to a forecast that has gross margins down slightly in the third quarter versus last year. In terms of the comp cadence, I'll let Brian weigh in as well. April got off to a tremendous start. And I'd say, on balance, results were more modest in May and June. I think that's a pattern that a lot of folks saw with consumer traffic in the quarter.

Brian J. Lynch

Analyst

That's correct. And you asked about regions. I would say all regions in both brands comped up for the quarter, Anna, with the exception of Southeast. In the Southeast, the main reason for that was the tourist stores. There were some softness in the quarter in the tourist stores, which are primarily in the Southeast. So that's the only difference we have. Other than that, all regions comped positively in both brands.

Operator

Operator

For our next question, we go to Howard Tubin with RBC.

Courtney Willson - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

This is Courtney in for Howard today. Could you give a bit more detail on some of your plans for back-to-school and fall? And any new marketing initiatives or promotions or new products?

Brian J. Lynch

Analyst

Courtney, we're really excited about back-to-school, both brands. We have -- we think we have really strong initiatives in Carter's. We're launching a first for fall campaign, more wear-now products. It's beautifully set in our store right now and on our websites. And we're also featuring our new Little Layette presentation, with that essential shop online. Carter's would be supported with direct mail, digital and then some strategic partnership work that we're doing. And the direct mail pieces, we're excited. They're now segmented based on the age of the child. So they can go out to the households. Whether you have a baby in the household or an older child in the household, we will be very net creative based on that. So we're excited about that. OshKosh, a great-looking fall product, reflecting some of the big strides we've made in style and value. We're focused on back-to-school, being a back-to-school destination for mom. The campaign's called Back to B'gosh, and it'll be focused on denim and uniforms and some of the great style that we have. And that's going to be also supported by direct mail and digital. And we also have a pretty exciting cost-marketing campaign that we're going to be launching in back-to-school, based around denim. We've got a mailer out in OshKosh at school uniforms, which we've had good response to that. And then the fall catazine drops next week.

Michael D. Casey

Management

Is that helpful to you, Courtney?

Courtney Willson - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Yes, that's great.

Operator

Operator

And, for our next question, we go to Steve Marotta with CL King & Associates. Steven Louis Marotta - CL King & Associates, Inc., Research Division: With regard to flat bookings for Carter's in the first half of 2015, Richard, could you comment on the normal percentage proportion of what is booked in any given half and what is replenishment and if you've seen that proportion change over time?

Richard F. Westenberger

Management

On balance, replenishment is about 1/4 of our business, at wholesale. That's grown a bit over the last few years. And then seasonal bookings would be on top of that, and that is a seasonal number that we're quoting. So some portion of that does shift late this year in the December timeframe and then the balance ships in, in the first part of 2015. Steven Louis Marotta - CL King & Associates, Inc., Research Division: So in general, in any given half, it would be 3/4 pre-booked, about 1/4 replenishment?

Richard F. Westenberger

Management

Yes. Probably, reasonably close, yes. Steven Louis Marotta - CL King & Associates, Inc., Research Division: Okay. And then the other question I had was pertaining to the eCommerce in-house fulfillment. What is the general earnings contribution of that move this year and next year?

Richard F. Westenberger

Management

We haven't parsed that out, Steve. It's -- we've seen continued good improvements in eCommerce profitability. Some of that is volume based, which is the tremendous top line growth we've seen. All of the in-sourcing initiatives, whether it's fulfillment or, as Mike said, bringing in the call center, all of that has been accretive to margins. And the operating margins are well above the company average in eCommerce. So we haven't parsed it out by individual initiative externally.

Operator

Operator

And for our next question, we go to Evren Kopelman with Wells Fargo.

Evren Dogan Kopelman - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Three separate questions. First one is how did the outlet stores perform relative to the rest of the chain? Second question is on the gross margin, I think I heard you say some of the strength in the quarter, a portion of it was attributed to timing. If I heard that right, could you quantify how much was that? And is that shifting into third quarter or third and fourth quarters? And then the last one in international, you mentioned the Japan going away is offsetting some of the growth in Canada and retail. When do we lap that?

Brian J. Lynch

Analyst

First question, on the outlets, our strongest business continues to be the brand stores and the stores closer in, which we're investing in and building new stores there. As I've said before, the -- I would say the only softness in the quarter was in the tourist stores. The outlet stores did perform positive comps in both brands, albeit not to the level of comp that we had in our brand stores.

Michael D. Casey

Management

Gross margin timing?

Richard F. Westenberger

Management

On your question on gross margin, the comment in our remarks was more directed towards SG&A. There wasn't a particular timing issue in gross margin. International, we operated in Japan throughout all of last year, so we won't lap that until we get into the first part of 2015.

Operator

Operator

And with that, ladies and gentlemen, we have no further questions on our roster. Therefore, Mr. Casey, I will turn the conference back over to you for any closing remarks.

Michael D. Casey

Management

Well, thanks very much. Thank you all for joining us on the call. Appreciate your interest in our business. We look forward to updating you again on our progress in October. Goodbye.

Operator

Operator

And again, ladies and gentlemen, this will conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation.