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Cementos Pacasmayo S.A.A. (CPAC)

Q2 2022 Earnings Call· Mon, Jul 25, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Cementos Pacasmayo Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on listen-only mode and the floor will open for questions and comments after the presentation. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Mrs. Claudia Bustamante, Investor Relations Manager. Claudia, over to you.

Claudia Bustamante

Management

Thank you, Jenny. Good morning, everyone. Joining me on the call today is Mr. Humberto Nadal, our Chief Executive Officer; and Mr. Manuel Ferreyros, our Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Nadal will begin our call with an overview of the quarter, focusing primarily on our strategic outlook for the short and medium term. Mr. Ferreyros will then follow with additional commentary on our financial results. We'll then turn the call over to your questions. Please note that this call will include certain forward-looking statements. These statements relate to expectations, beliefs, projections, trends and other matters that are not historical facts and are therefore subject to risks and uncertainties that might affect future events or results. Descriptions of these risks are set forth in the Company's regulatory filings. With that, I'd now like to turn the call over to Mr. Humberto Nadal.

Humberto Nadal

Management

Thank you, Claudia. Welcome, everyone, to today's conference call, and thank you once again for joining us today. This quarter's results so our ability to sustain profitability even in the slide of a slowdown in demand. Even when there has been a slight deceleration in terms of volumes, consolidated EBITDA was $120.5 million, a 33.9% increase when compared to the same period of last year, achieving a margin of 24%. Moreover, our net profit increased 74% year-over-year, reaching $48 million. This is especially relevant considering the current context with a significant decrease in coal and energy prices and overall inflationary pressures throughout the global economy. We have been able to achieve this by focusing on operational efficiencies, prioritizing the use of our own clinker and implementing an accurate pricing strategy across both bag cement and concrete. We are certain that this approach and our sustained focus on efficiency will continue to reap benefits in this extremely difficult environment. The most significant actions we have taken to decrease our exposure to these external factors is the optimization of our current capacity in our Pacasmayo plant. As most of you know, at the end of last year, our Board decided to invest -- to add 600,000 metric tons of announced capacity in this plant, allowing us to stop almost completely the usage of imported clinker. Despite some bureaucratic delays, I'm very happy to announce that we are very much on track to finish this optimization as planned in the second half of 2023. We're currently in the similar workspace, finishing the preheater and we'll soon begin the assembly phase. As this is a brownfield project and the kiln will be part of an already established in production, we expect the ramp-up process to be smooth and relatively fast. Besides the obvious benefits…

Manuel Ferreyros

Management

Thank you, Humberto. Good morning, everyone. Second quarter 2022 revenues were $502.9 million, a 14.1% increase when compared to the same period of last year, mainly due to an increase price of baggage cement and concrete in line with increased inflation. The gross profit increased 35.8% mainly due to a reduction in average cost as we were able to prioritize our own clinker, decrease in the over cost of using imported clinker as well as the increased revenues mentioned before. Consolidated EBITDA 120.5 million in the second quarter of '22, an increase of 33.9% when compared to the same period of last year, mainly due to operational efficiencies and increased prices. During the second half of 2022, the revenues increased 13.5%. The gross profit increased 29.4%, and the consolidated EBITDA increased 27.1% when compared to the same period of last year, mainly due to the increase in sales and decreased costs, as mentioned before. Turning to operating expenses. Administrative expenses for the second quarter of 2022 increased 16.3% and 14.8% for the six months of the year compared to the same period of last year, in line with increased sales, mainly due to increased salaries and an increase in personnel expenses due to the union bundles that is negotiated every three years and has a larger impact during the first year. Selling expenses in both the second quarter and during the first six months of 2022, increased 19.7% compared to the same period of the previous year, mainly due to higher salaries and the union bonus as mentioned before. Moving on to a different segment. Sales of cement increased 18.1% in the second quarter of 2022 compared to the same period of last year, as baggage cement sales continue to be the biggest driver of demand. Gross margin also increased…

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the floor is now open for questions. [Operator Instructions] Your first question is coming from Francisco Suarez of Scotiabank. Francisco, please ask your question.

Francisco Suarez

Analyst

The questions that I have, and apologies because this has been addressed in your Investor Day in New York, I was unable to attend. Apologies for that. But the questions that I have late with your overall cost management strategies. One, I would like to understand if clinker prices -- FOB clinker prices are high enough for you to precisely rely more on your Piura plant for clinker to compensate for the lack of capacity of clinker in Pacasmayo? And secondly, there's something that you have been doing a lot on last year in the form of reducing the overall imports of coal to feed your kiln. So I would like to understand what other initiatives are you applying to enhance your overall energy mix, and if this reduction in imports of coal are sustainable, and if that has a positive impact in the overall cost structure on your energy metrics?

Humberto Nadal

Management

Francisco. It's Humberto. Let me talk about questions. On the first one, I mean, any clinker that we produce, whether it's Rioja, Piura or Pacasmayo, it's going to be cheaper than imported clinker. That's a fact. So I mean we are working at 100% with all the plants to avoid importing clinker. So yes, what we have been doing is very efficient usage of that linker and that lowers the need for imported clinker. That's a fair part of your question. Second part of the question, we are -- you know that cement is all about energy and freight cost, among other things. In terms of coal, we have increased the usage of imported coal from 20% to 15%. And also, we're trying to use as much as the local coal as we can. So that's why you're seeing the impact on the cost, as you mentioned. And the one thing we're doing strongly strong, not only because of cost but also because of the environment, we're trying to reengage with gas supply. We are very optimistic about it. We don't have any concrete results to announce as of right now. But hopefully, before the end of the year, we will have news to report that we have been able to reengage with the gas and will be helpful both in terms of our environment and in terms of costs.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Adrian Huerta of JPMorgan. Adrian, over to you.

Adrian Huerta

Analyst

Going back to the question on energy costs, what was the -- your energy per cost this quarter versus a year ago? That's my first question, given the changes on reducing the imported coal, et cetera. And the second question is, if you're planning further price increases for the rest of the year.

Humberto Nadal

Management

Adrian, this is Humberto. In terms of pricing, yes, I mean, as we all know, we are living in the middle of inflationary pressure. So for sure, I mean, we think there's more room to increase in the coming six months. And it's going to be very closely related to keeping profitability and depending on what happens to our costs. I think -- if you take our -- the price of per ton 18 months ago to now, we have increased a lot, but more so than that, what you have to realize that we have been able to keep and I would say, even regain profitability by a very thorough price structure. In terms of coal, I'll leave Manuel.

Manuel Ferreyros

Management

Yes. In terms of coal, the cost compared to the same quarter compared to the last quarter of the last year, it's around $10 million increase in cost and energy, something similar, around 9.5 million per quarter.

Adrian Huerta

Analyst

Those increases are $1 million increase year-on-year from energy and from electricity.

Humberto Nadal

Management

Yes.

Manuel Ferreyros

Management

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is coming from Marco Mejía of Kallpa. Marco, please ask your question. Marco Mejía: Please could you explain to me, what is your outlook for the volume of cement for the whole year?

Humberto Nadal

Management

Yes. As you may recall, Marco, I mean, last year, we grew almost 40%. This was something absolutely unprecedented, and went from 2.6 million tons to 3.6 million tons. So this year, I mean, our biggest objective is to try to stay close to that 3.6 million, which is already -- I mean, it's a very I would say, high expectation on our part, but we're trying to stay very close to that. Probably at the end even if we decrease a little bit in volume, we'll more compensate that in terms of price or revenue should be definitely up this year.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] I will now hand back over to Claudia for any questions that may have come in via the webcast. Claudia.

Claudia Bustamante

Management

So firstly, I have a question from Pablo Ricalde. Can you share your outlook towards pricing in that seminar the second half of this year? Do you think there is room for another price hike in the second half? I think we had this already, but…

Humberto Nadal

Management

Yes. I'll give me so glad that we answered that. But thanks, Pablo, for the question. Like I said, I mean definitely the answer is definitely, yes. We're always keeping a balance between profitability and our market share. So I think in version pressures keep going up, I mean, for other view room for that.

Claudia Bustamante

Management

Okay. The next question comes from [indiscernible]. What is the driver of solid cement demand in the northern region of Peru. After a strong 2021, I would have expected a significant drop that didn't happen. Is it demand from public sector and is sustainable?

Humberto Nadal

Management

Thank you, [indiscernible], for the interest in our company. And I think indeed, a very good question. I mean after 40% year growth, we were all concerned about if it a high that's going to drop. What is the main driver? The main driver is still self-construction. It is not public investment. It is not private investment. We don't see any hospitals, any malls, any big hires going on. It's basically self-construction that accounts probably for 85% of our sales. We remain optimistic why because in the north in terms of agriculture in terms of fishing in terms of construction, in terms of some tourist, employment is at a very good rate. As long as the employment, these people will go and build. And especially in an inflationary economy, for employee sector economics 101 means if you get about inflation, you buy durable goods. What is more durable than a home? So, yes, we are also pleasantly surprised that the levels have not dropped and hopefully, will be very close to the year before with much higher prices.

Claudia Bustamante

Management

Okay. And this final question from the webcast coming from [Carlos Kadasa]. Thanks for the presentation and congratulations for the result. Could you share what are your expectations for volumes through the second half of the year and EBITDA margins? Furthermore, would you expect to change to natural gas in Europe Pacific?

Manuel Ferreyros

Management

Carlos, yes, Humberto already answered the question about the volumes. And concerning the EBITDA, we should be around 25% for the second half of the year.

Humberto Nadal

Management

In terms of gas -- Carlos, thank you for the question. And I think I mentioned this before. We have been working deeply with our operations team to try to reengage with gas like we did two years ago in the Piura plant. Hopefully, we'll have something to announce before the end of the year.

Claudia Bustamante

Management

We do have one more -- a couple more questions from the webcast. It's one of them from [indiscernible]. And how will you manage the quick line reduction considering the shortage of the bituminous coal?

Humberto Nadal

Management

We're not talking about a sort of bituminous coal. We're talking about a reshuffling of the structure of coal.

Manuel Ferreyros

Management

Yes. Only to complement what Humberto mentioned is that we are receiving the bulk of bituminous coal today. So since the next week, we will be already on board with quicklime supply.

Claudia Bustamante

Management

Okay. Next question from [indiscernible]. So two questions. We understand that picture for volumes in 2022, but how about the expectations for the first part of 2023? And do you expect higher prices to harm volumes in 2023?

Humberto Nadal

Management

Yes. I mean, at this point, it's very hard to anticipate 2023. We still have six more months to go in a very uncertain environment. So I wouldn't want to give any guidance at this point. At this point, we're very focused on defending the volumes that we achieved on 2021. And in terms of prices, I mean, like I say, I mean, our strategy is to always serve our clients in the best way and keep a balance between market share, price and profitability. So, we'll remain on that strategy.

Claudia Bustamante

Management

Okay. Next question from [Carlos Kadasa]. Why did you switch from natural gas in Piura? And what would the -- what would be the savings concerns?

Humberto Nadal

Management

Yes, regarding the Piura plant, we were not able to achieve sustainable supply of gas in the amount of quality we needed. We're trying to fix that in the coming months, so we can engage with gas. And at this point, I mean, we cannot talk about any savings specifically because we don't have the final numbers yet.

Claudia Bustamante

Management

Okay. Next question. Could you share an outlook on dividends for this year?

Humberto Nadal

Management

I think what we said in the past that we've had a consistent dividend policy over the last years, except for the extraordinary dividend we provided on July of last year, I think this year, in the second part, we should go about to the historic level of dividends we had previous to 2021 -- '22 -- '21. But this decision, I mean, it's something that the Board has to wait and make in the coming months.

Claudia Bustamante

Management

Okay. Are there any concerns regarding excess capacity after the clinker expansion in the Pacasmayo plant?

Humberto Nadal

Management

So, that we understand the numbers, I mean, last year, we sold 3.6 million tons of cement, only 3 million of those were made on clinker, only 3 million. I mean, the expansion will really --if the volumes stay at the level right now, the expansion will only replace imported in care. We will now either capacity. It has never been our strategy to be like that. We've always had a 25%, 30% idle capacity. In this case, even if demand drops a little bit, I mean, we for sure think that the utilization rate of a new kiln Pacasmayo is going to be in the less optimistic scenario, probably at 60% or 70%.

Claudia Bustamante

Management

Okay. That's all the questions from the webcast, but I do think we have one more question on the line. So I'll turn it back over to Jenny.

Operator

Operator

Yes, we certainly do. We have a question again from Francisco Suarez from Scotia Bank. Francisco, over to you.

Francisco Suarez

Analyst

As for the second question. But I was curious because you were also referring to overall weakness on works related to the reconstruction programs in Northern Peru. Can you provide us a little bit more color of what is driving this sort of delays in the overall execution? Is that weather-related or that is actually much more structural? And what do you expect for the rest of the year?

Humberto Nadal

Management

Thank you, Francisco, for the question. I think the delays are related to the fact that the lady in charge of reconstruction was removed for a position and nobody has been announced yet. So I think it has to do with our own ability to operate. It has nothing to do with weather or anything. It's only the inability of the authority to keep working on the game plan.

Francisco Suarez

Analyst

So that's interesting because it is about execution risks rather than any problem with funding, isn't it?

Humberto Nadal

Management

Absolutely, only execution risk, it is not about funds.

Operator

Operator

Okay. We don't have any more questions in the queue. So I'll now hand back over to Humberto for any closing remarks.

A - Humberto Nadal

Analyst

Thank you. There is no doubt that we are living difficult and uncertain times. Even though we may have learned to live with COVID, we now have to deal with war in Europe and precedent levels of inflation, civil unrest and more radicalized political positions globally. As the world continues to spin in ever so changing directions, we have to remain calm and confident that the solid foundation we have built for the Company will allow us to prevail and succeed once the cycle as all of them before comes to an end. Our 65 years of experience in a country that has given us quite a variety of challenges during that time, have provided us with the tools to face difficult times and with absolute confidence that by continuing to focus on our clients' needs and constantly challenging ourselves to think outside the box, we will continue to deliver the best possible results. I want to thank all of you for attending the call this morning. And as I always say, thank you for the renewed interest in our company, and we always remain here, should you have any further questions. Stay safe, and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does conclude today's conference call. You may disconnect your phone lines at this time, and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.