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Q2 2016 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 4, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Kevin, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Coty's Second Quarter Fiscal 2016 Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. As a reminder, this call is being recorded today, Thursday, February 4. Thank you. I will now turn the conference call over to Kevin Monaco, Coty's Senior Vice President, Treasurer & and Investor Relations. Mr. Monaco, please go ahead. Kevin Monaco - Treasurer, Senior Vice President & Head-Investor Relations: Good morning and thank you for joining us. On today's call are Bart Becht, Chairman and Interim CEO; and Patrice de Talhouët, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that many of our comments may contain forward-looking statements. Please refer to our press release and our reports filed with the SEC where you will find factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements. All discussions of net revenues are on a like-for-like basis. In addition, except where noted, the discussion of our financial results and our expectations do not reflect certain non-recurring and other charges. You can find the bridge from GAAP to non-GAAP results in the reconciliation tables in the earnings release. I will now turn the call over to Bart. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Thank you, Kevin. This morning, we'll provide you with a brief update on the expected merger with the P&G Specialty Beauty Business, other corporate developments, and Q2 and year-to-date results. Then Patrice and I will be pleased to take your questions. Our efforts right now are all about creating a…

Operator

Operator

Our first question comes from Bill Schmitz with Deutsche Bank.

William G. Schmitz - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Good morning. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Good morning. Patrice de Talhouët - Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer: Good morning, Bill.

William G. Schmitz - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Hey, thanks. Can you just comment about some of the disclosures and P&G filings? I looked at their last 10-Q, and it shows some like pretty sharp declines in both sales and profits in some of the acquired brands. So I just love some colors around, how much currency impacted that, maybe some of the brands that P&G closed that aren't being transferred that might be in there, any color would be appreciated? Patrice de Talhouët - Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer: Yeah, thanks for the question, Bill. So, while we cannot comment on the disclosure or performance of the business that are not today a part of Coty, we do want to highlight a couple of points. So first, it is our understanding that the disclosure in the public filings you referenced reflects the sales and profitability of the 47 brands that were part of the P&G's portfolio and now classified as discontinued operation, rather than the 41 brands that Coty will be acquiring as part of the planned merger. So four of the 47 brands have already been sold or discontinued by P&G. Second, we also understand the negative FX impact accounted for a very substantial component of the reported decline in the sales of these 47 brands. Third, we also understand that the organic growth rate of the 41 brands we are acquiring is in line with the like-for-like trends that we are seeing in the Coty business both for Q2 fiscal 2016 and year-to-date. So I think this gives you a little bit more perspective and color around the disclosure.

William G. Schmitz - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Yeah. That's great. And then, can you just talk about the Dolce & Gabbana and Christina Aguilera licenses sort of – how big are they? Is there going to be like a purchase price adjustment? Does it power your moves (12:57), anything you guys can provide in a public context would also be appreciated? Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Yeah, we're not going to basically disclose that. I think it would be much better is to wait for the S-4 filing, which will happen in the second half of April because that will really provide, the total scope of the business as we will be acquiring with all the financial details. And then, shortly after this disclosure, we'll provide an update also in terms of our financial perspective around the deal dynamics, but I would say to have a discussion just about Dolce & Gabbana today, we don't really think is appropriate. I think it would be much better handled when we have all the facts on the table, and then have a discussion about what we believe the deal will do for Coty going forward. So that all should happen end April, latest early May.

William G. Schmitz - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

So, okay. Patrice de Talhouët - Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer: To build on that, on the potential adjustment so as per the transaction agreement, we assume debt from the P&G Specialty Beauty Business will be adjusted downward to reflect the fact that 10 out of the 12 available licenses, subject to regulatory approval, are transferred on all the 12. This downward debt adjustment will be based using a specific and contractually pre-agreed formula that we will disclose at a later date.

William G. Schmitz - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Okay, great. That's very helpful. And then just a follow-up on the SKU and brand rationalization. Can you just talk about how far along you are on that process and what the impact was, both in the quarter and year-to-date on organic growth if you have it? Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Yes, so this will be an ongoing process and it will be reviewed again as part of – the P&G merger, because then clearly we won't have an enlarged portfolio and we're going to have again reflect in terms of how we deal with the brand portfolio post merger. So when I say rationalization of the portfolio, really referring to several items. First there is a rationalization of very small brands, which is in the detail of the portfolio. But there is also a discontinuation of certain lines – business lines or product lines of brands, in particular, when they're in places where we don't want to really see them. I can give you a classic example, selling OPI nail polish in hardware stores is probably not the smartest idea we could do as a company which is passionate about beauty. And so there is also a rationalization of some businesses in locations where it shouldn't be. So it is both basically a rationalization of small brands and taking out kind of like business situations and to clean that up. And that is an ongoing effort which will not stop, in this quarter or the next quarter and will continue post merger.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from John Faucher with JPMorgan.

John A. Faucher - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Yes. Good morning, thank you. I want to talk about the sequential improvement in the power brands and then sort of what necessarily do you think is driving that? How sustainable? Is it more of a stabilization or is it something where you could see it getting better and better as we go through? And then a second question on the cash flow, which is the working capital. It appears to be coming a lot from working capital, I think, in particular, payables were better than what we had anticipated and sort of okay. Is that a new level and should we continue to see further improvement in working capital? Thank you. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: So clearly on power brands, as you all know, our strategy is very much to continue to focus and invest in these brands behind key innovations and that's clearly what you're seeing in the second quarter. Having said that, there also is an impact in terms of phasing of launches. As you all know, in the beauty business, but in particular in the fragrance side of the business, which is a substantial chunk of Coty, launch timings around fragrances substantially impact the growth trends. So last year, we had a big launch around Calvin Klein in the first quarter, which we didn't have this year. At least we didn't have the same size of innovation. Having said that, on the other side, Marc Jacobs' Decadence very much hits the second quarter. So you are always going to see some fluctuation in the growth rate on the power brands. Having said that, clearly we are very hopeful that we will continue to grow our power brands, in particular, as we rationalize a lot of the businesses outside of the power brands. Patrice de Talhouët - Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer: So on the working capital, John, as you know I'm coming from a company who is familiar with negative working capital and we're not yet there. So we need to continue on that journey. This being said, it is true that the payables have been the biggest component in the improvement so far. I think there is still some room for improvement in the payables. Now, what we really need to tackle is for the GSO. There is some room for improvement in a couple of regions. And second, on a more fundamental basis, the inventory level. And this is, as you know, more long-term process, which is really about forecast accuracy, rationalization of the portfolio that will definitely help in that regard. So that's more on the long-term. But we're not yet at zero working capital. We are becoming within reach of that target, but we're not yet there. And I think there is going to be some further improvement.

John A. Faucher - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Wendy Nicholson with Citi Research.

Wendy C. Nicholson - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi Research.

Hi. I'm sorry if I missed it, but could you walk through on sort of what contributed to the gross margin expansion in the quarter? How sustainable that is? Is it just cost savings? Is it more favorable mix, that kind of stuff? Because I was obviously pretty impressed. Thanks. Patrice de Talhouët - Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer: Sure. So the gross margin improvement is very sustainable in the sense that it's mainly coming from supply chain. And as you know, we have embarked into a productivity program three years ago and we have, on an annual basis, steady improvement from the supply chain. It's coming from procurement savings, first. It's also coming from rationalization of the footprint and consolidation of the footprint that we continue to do. So these are very sustainable gross margin improvement. On top of that there are $2 billion sitting between gross sales and net sales and we are starting to tackle that with some ROI measurements. This is a long-term process and we are really working on that, and I think there have been some improvement in that regard also.

Wendy C. Nicholson - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi Research.

And net GAAP is promotions and that kind of stuff, put it principally? Patrice de Talhouët - Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer: Can you say that again?

Wendy C. Nicholson - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi Research.

The GAAP between the gross sales and the net sales is promotions and discounting and gift repurchase and that kind of stuff? Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: No, there are basically historical discounts which have been agreed with retailers. So it's always a combination of different buckets, and as you all know, even the discount structure depends very much on a country-by-country basis. It's not the same across the globe.

Wendy C. Nicholson - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi Research.

Right. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: So there are promotional discounts in there. There are year-end rebates in there. There are contractual arrangements with retailers in there, so it's a variety basically of different components and even across the countries that would have to discuss and with you country-by-country, simply the structure differs. If you're interested, we can have a discussion about this at some point in time, but it is a quite involved discussion.

Wendy C. Nicholson - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi Research.

And is it fair to say the power brands generally are higher gross margin or is there more discounting that goes on with those power brands because they are growing faster and they require more investment? Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: I would say, on average, the power brands are – it depends. It's not consistent across the power brands. Some of them definitely are higher margin, but there are also a few which are slightly lower margin than the average, so it's not basically a consistent picture across, not at this stage.

Wendy C. Nicholson - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi Research.

Got it. Okay, thanks very much. Bye.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Mark Astrachan with Stifel. Mark S. Astrachan - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Yeah, thanks, and good morning everybody. I wanted to ask a clarifying question of the Hypermarcas deal. So when you announced it, I believe it was R$3.8 billion. When it closed earlier this week, you had said in the release it was R$3.5 billion. I guess I'm curious, was there anything to the adjustment there in terms of net piece as (21:53) working capital, debt adjustments whatever? Patrice de Talhouët - Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer: So yes, indeed that you are right. There was some adjustment mechanism based on the working capital, and this is the reason why we had this adjustment. Mark S. Astrachan - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Got it, okay. And then, back on the debt adjustment for the Procter deal. And I appreciate you're not wanting to talk about it, but is it fair to assume basically that, when we're trying to adjust for, before seeing the S-4, the pre agreed-to multiple that the business would be worth, basically would get backed out, whatever that is per the disclosures, as a reflection of anticipated EBITDA? So basically, if we're all doing the math, take what we think would be the EBITDA piece, use that multiple, whatever it is and then just sort of back that number out of the debt. Is that basically it, or are there any other moving parts to it? Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: No, we're not going to comment on that today. We'll have another session on all the financials end of April, early May and then a lot of the stuff will be clarified. Even at that point in time, there's still going to…

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Lauren Lieberman with Barclays.

Lauren Rae Lieberman - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst · Barclays.

Thanks, good morning. Just a follow-up on the Hypermarcas conversation. Bart, do you have a way of framing it for us? Like, how – to what degree do you think this accelerates your vision of what the business will look like in Brazil? Like, is it a three-year accelerator by having the Hypermarcas piece of what Procter, Beauty plus Coty could have been on its own? Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: I would say it is main accelerator. In markets like Brazil, if you don't have your own manufacturing infrastructure, and your own go-to-market infrastructure, it is very difficult to be successful as the major multinational company, because you cannot basically work with third-parties in these two areas. So it is a massive accelerator. The fact that Coty doesn't have its own manufacturing infrastructure and has a substandard go-to-market infrastructure. The fact that the P&G business does not really have a local manufacturing infrastructure, post deal, and doesn't really have a good go-to-market infrastructure is seriously handicapping just taking over the P&G business. So it really is a massive accelerator for us. The other good thing about Hypermarcas is, it's a proven management team, they are gaining share as we speak in practically every category that they operate and so I genuinely believe that this is a massive accelerator for us to be successful not in the long-term, even in the medium-term in Brazil. Clearly, the first job is to absorb Coty and then the P&G business, that's the first job. But then shortly thereafter, I would hope that we're going to see an acceleration in terms of the whole platform.

Lauren Rae Lieberman - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst · Barclays.

Could you also share, I think some people have questioned, just given the movement in the real, I guess the purchase price and what one pays for emerging market, let alone Brazilian assets currently, and current market growth rate. So if you could just share your perspective on the timing and the macro environment, that would be really helpful too? Patrice de Talhouët - Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer: So first in terms of financing of this acquisition, so it was financed with cash on hand and the existing debt facilities that we have. It was financed in dollar, but paid in Brazilian real and it is clear that we have hedged the vast majority of the price at the time of signature. So I think now – so that's the first part of the question. On the second part of the question, the way we think about it, it is really long-term. And so clearly, this is a great asset. It significantly is the merger with the P&G Specialty Beauty business as Bart said. It provides the right platform from a go-to-market capability, from a manufacturing capability. I think we are not ready yet to share the synergies, but in terms of one-off cost and CapEx, it is a significant enabler into the transaction. So we will be able to cost operate (29:52) with the goods already in Brazil, which significantly helps. So I think you need to think about it from a most strategic standpoint and more long-term standpoint. Brazil is one of the key market, it's the third biggest beauty market in the world. It is the first biggest Fragrance market in the world and it's a more long-term view.

Lauren Rae Lieberman - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst · Barclays.

Great, thanks. And then just on one last question on the current Coty business. Drawing down promotional activity a little bit, I thought it was interesting that the Fragrance business, rate of decline was a little bit less bad (30:32) than I had expected. And that's notable particularly that you were pulling back on promotions during the holiday season. So could you comment on the overall, kind of market degree of promotional activity if you felt like there was any kind of following going on in the marketplace, you becoming a little bit more rational, or if it's just frankly that your businesses did just fine with a little bit less promotional support that you had expected? Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Yeah, I think – so, first in terms of growth rate on the Fragrance business, clearly there was a differential phasing between the two years in the terms of the key launches, like I said before, which had an impact on Q2 relative to Q1. In terms of promotional activity, I would say the overall business is starting to get gradually better at managing gross to net. By the way, I'm going to retract this number which Patrice mentioned before of the $2 billion because it is not entirely correct. But, I would say the key thing is how to manage gross to net. I think overall the business is getting better at it. And that makes, I would say in the general market environment nothing has really changed. We've just gotten slightly better at it than we did before. And so you see that reflected in the P&L. So, market is not more rational, it is very similar. We just got slightly better at it.

Lauren Rae Lieberman - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst · Barclays.

Okay. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steph Wissink with Piper Jaffray. Stephanie Schiller Wissink - Piper Jaffray & Co (Broker): Hi, good morning, everyone. I'd just like to follow-up on Lauren's earlier question just with respect to the health of the mass channel globally, if you can just talk a little bit about some of the focus that the retailers have been placing on the beauty category, if you expect that to continue here into 2016? And then, just secondly with respect to the Beamly acquisition, just talk a little bit about what we should be looking for in terms of digital engagement or some of the initiatives that you have planned around some of your core brands and what we should be looking for with respect to some of the digital improvements? Thank you. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Yeah, I would say, mass basically development is very different by subcategory between fragrance, color and skin care. So, as we all know, in the United States in particular, in fragrance, most of the growth is in the procedure and is not in the mass area and in part is that because of the way mass basically in particular behaves in this category. So, I think it's more of a channel issue than anything else. So overall, there it's not doing a great job. In Color Cosmetics, it's very different, so it very much differs by segment, it's not the same. Mass continues to do well in Color Cosmetics, does not do very well in Fragrance. Retailer's focus on beauty business, clearly, that depends on what retailer you talk about. Some retailers getting increasingly better at it, for instance, the drug trade in the U.S. Some drug retailers are doing a substantially better business than they did…

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes Dara Mohsenian with Morgan Stanley. Dara W. Mohsenian - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Hey, good morning, guys. Can you give us a sense for A&P's spending levels in the quarter? What were they year-over-year and plans going forward. You've been generating some efficiencies there, so do you think A&P can move down as percent of sales over time or do you think you might need to re-boost spending to drive improving top line trends going forward? Both for the heritage Coty portfolio, but also any initial thoughts around the pending P&G brands? Thanks. Patrice de Talhouët - Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer: I will start and then, if Patrice has any further comments. So I think in terms of ANCP spending, as you know, we make a distinction between what we really think is strategic spend and non-strategic spend. The difference being that strategic spend is actually what the consumer sees. Non-strategic spend is kind of like, the money we waste in the office. So clearly, producing a commercial is non-strategic spend because the consumer doesn't see it. So clearly the actual airing of a commercial would be strategic spend. Strategic spend, other things would be is like the furniture that we use in Color Cosmetics and are in stores or the Beauty Assistants that we use on the Fragrance business. So those are all basically strategic components. I can tell you that the strategic spend is substantially increasing in particular because we've seen – we've cut the non-strategic spend and on top of that, even within the strategic spend, we've gotten greater efficiencies in the media buying area. So overall, the output is substantially increasing. Clearly, I would have liked to see a bigger response to that in terms of top line…

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jason Gere with KeyBanc.

Jason M. Gere - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc.

Hey. Thanks for taking my questions. Actually, both about categories specifically in the U.S., so one, I was just wondering if you could talk a little bit about the Nail category, so while Sally Hansen is doing well, didn't really mention OPI. I was just wondering, can you talk about what efforts are out there to kind of re-grow the nail category? And then the second question with the, I guess the good performance of Calvin Klein and Marc Jacobs, can you talk a little bit more between specialty channels and maybe the department stores, where I think they were a little bit more promotional over the holidays, and how that balanced out for the quarter? Thanks. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: So, in terms of the Nail category, clearly there are two very distinctive segments. One is what happens at retail and the other one is what happens in salons. So, in terms of retail, which should be the predominant domain – or is the domain of Sally Hansen, so the Nail category at the moment is largely flat. Sally Hansen, as you well know, has done extremely well behind the launch of Miracle Gel, has gained substantial share. We are going to anniversary that substantial share gain in the second half of this year. So we are going to see a little bit more of a flattening out of the growth profile, clearly in terms of Color Cosmetics for Coty as a result, because we are going to index year-on-year. But the Nail category is largely flat in the U.S. for the time being, while we are gaining share. Clearly, we are working on initiatives to further enhance category growth and market share for Sally Hansen. OPI is a very different business. OPI really…

Jason M. Gere - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc.

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Javier Escalante with Consumer Edge Research.

Javier Escalante - Consumer Edge Research LLC

Analyst · Consumer Edge Research.

Hi. Good morning everyone. I have two questions. One is if you can comment on, probably Coty first and then broadly on the industry? How you see Coty performance by channel, because this is the way that I understand you're going to be reporting and reorganizing going forward. So basically, professional, luxury and consumer. If you can tell us which channels you're doing better and what would be the growth rate vis-à-vis the minus one like-for-like, and what is, you believe, the channel growth in general. And my second question has to do with, it was very helpful that what you mentioned – about Hypermarcas and what is the rationale about – the Hypermarcas acquisition. Could you tell us based on that and also heading towards the integration with Procter, whether there are some geographies that you feel that you need to invest more ahead of the deal to get that kind of go-to-market capability in place ahead of the deal? Thank you. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Yeah, so our performance measurement going forward is not going to be so much per channel. It is really going to be by category. So the luxury division is going to be responsible for fragrance and skin care and so we'll be reporting fragrance and skin care business. Our Consumer Beauty business is going to be a responsible for Color Cosmetics, hair coloring and styling as well as body care in the mass retail channel and we're going to report it as such. And finally, we are going to have a professional business which is going to report. So, it is a combination of category and channel. So, in terms of the category performance, I really detailed a little bit what the market growth rates are. So, if…

Javier Escalante - Consumer Edge Research LLC

Analyst · Consumer Edge Research.

One follow-up if I could. You comment on travel retail, you're on trend, (46:26) what you are seeing in the overall travel retail channel that would be helpful? Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: Yes, travel retail is, in terms of the overall market is a much, much more difficult business than it was – even a year ago, and a lot of that has to do with traffic as you can imagine. So it is under more pressure as a market, and clearly we're doing a good job in travel retail but the overall market conditions are not as favorable as they were. So, as you know, this comes and goes with the overall sentiment, so time will tell. Bart Becht - Chairman & Interim Chief Executive Officer: So I think that was our last question. Can I thank all you for being on the call. And we're looking forward to having more intense discussion with you in about three months from now when we also have the S-4 in the P&G business. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's presentation. You may now disconnect and have a wonderful day.